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Compensatory Draft Picks Cancellation Chart
http://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/#afc-west-2017
This is from the guy that predicts comp picks. They aren’t quite up to date, yet.
AgamemnonThis projects to a 3rd round pick for Jenkins.
This projects to a 4th round pick for Mcleod.
Minus a 5th round pick for Sensabaugh. Minus a 7th round pick for Coples
Plus something for Fairley ? a 6th?We recieve a 3rd and a 6th?
Agamemnon AgamemnonSo whats the lesson in the Flacco story?
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vThere is no lesson. It is a zen thing. 😉
AgamemnonYeah the qb one I started the thread out with is old.
Yeah, taken in context, I think it is fine. I do think it shows that whatever projection is made on any college player is fluid and not written in stone. Playing in the NFL is enough different that nothing is a sure bet. imo
Agamemnon
http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=1361&c=6751&f=5266293
http://stationcaster.com/stations/wgfx/media/mp3/Greg_Cosell_with_Midday_180-1455652922.mpthree three = 3. Add this to the front (http://stationcaster.com/stations/wgfx/media/mp3/) An easier way to extract and listen. Agamemnon
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/cfb/51525/cosell-goff-is-a-better-prospect-than-jameis
WGFX has a lot of Cosell podcasts, but they aren’t organized or detailed and there are a lot, a lot of stupid ads to wade through.
http://www.1045thezone.com/2015/03/17/104-5-the-zone-podcasts/
You can go here to wade through the podcasts. AgamemnonCanadaram found a good article on Wentz, Goff, and Lynch. I added some Cook stuff, too, cause I am fine with the Rams drafting Cook or one of the other three QBs at 15.
I don’t think it is a given, that there is a lot of difference between the top 4 QBs.
AgamemnonWindsor: Cook not NFL ready, but QB wants to develop
Shawn Windsor, Detroit Free Press 1:27 a.m. EST December 30, 2014
NCAA Football: Michigan State at Penn Statehttp://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2014/12/30/michigan-state-spartans-football-connor-cook/21036819/
DALLAS – It’s the simple things that Connor Cook needs to work on. At least it looks that way from the surface.Quit taking as many chances. Dump the ball to the nearby tailback. Move on to the next down.
The Michigan State quarterback hears the refrain over and over from his coaches these days. The moment he figures out how to apply the strategy will be the moment he becomes a top 15 NFL draft pick.
He is that talented.
And he knows it, just as his coaches know it.
Getting there is not as simple as it seems. The inclination to dump the ball under duress gets overwhelmed by Cook’s inner gunslinger. He has got a big arm and a dude-bro mentality that often squashes the check down voice.
That swagger salvages a lot of busted plays and creates chunks of yardage from chaos. It also gets him in trouble.
“Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t,” said Dave Warner, MSU’s co-offensive coordinator, “but certainly we are always trying to get him to be a little bit more disciplined in his progression.”
Finding that balance is the last step in Cook’s maturation as a quarterback. Do that, said Warner, “and the sky is the limit. He is extremely accurate. He throws the ball effortlessly.”
He can sense and escape from pressure. He is fearless in the pocket. He is developing into a leader.
Perhaps not the traditional leader who commands an entire locker room, but a workaholic and burgeoning perfectionist who is learning how to develop chemistry with his teammates.
Cook has completed 188 of 323 passes for 2,900 yards and 22 touchdowns with season with six interceptions. He has an efficiency rating of 152.4.
Cook, his skill players and the line that blocks for all of them produced the best offense in school history this season. That line will only get better next fall.
The talent and savvy up front is one of the reasons Cook wants to return for his senior year. Left tackle Jack Conklin will lead a group dotted with future pros. Cook is grateful to play behind them and deferential to their collective skill.
He is also relieved that his quarterback coach, Brad Salem, will be back next season, too.
“I think out of all the coaches I’ve ever had playing the game … besides (a little league coach in fourth grade), I would easily say Coach Salem is easily my favorite coach. He’s like a father figure a little bit.”
Salem got interest from Vanderbilt to become its offensive coordinator, but Cook said he isn’t worry about him leaving. That relationship is crucial for Cook’s continued development.
Yet it’s the relationship with his receivers that truly changed the passing game this year. That began in the summer, when he and Tony Lippett gathered the quarterbacks and pass catchers on the roster for daily workouts at the team’s practice facility. They practiced timing and throwing and catching. They designed scramble drills to approximate the fallout of a busted pocket and play.
Cook would get rushed, roll out and try to find Lippett down the field, who, in turn, was trying to find him. Warner said he saw the fruit of all that preparation early in the season when Cook and the receivers kept making plays off the script.
“They went above and beyond what I think a normal quarterback-receiver program is in the summer,” Warner said. “They spent extra time together. It wasn’t just (about) running routes, but talking to each other.”
The rest of the crew fed off their relationship. Cook intends to do the same thing this off-season, and identify the receiver who can take Lippett’s place.
He also intends to improve his decision-making, to take that final leap that will secure his shot at the next level. In the NFL, quarterbacks must quickly identify the receiver who is getting single coverage as the defense tilts toward so many other places.
This is why the check down is crucial at that level, and why it is for MSU’s pro-style offense, too.
“If his main target is not open, he’s got to progress through his 2-3-4 options,” Warner said.
Sometimes that fourth option is the tailback leaking out of the backfield. It may only lead to a 3-yard gain, but it also leads safely to the next down.
“We talk about that all the time,” said Warner, “and to his credit, he keeps working on it.”
Just as Cook has worked on developing chemistry, he has worked on his ability to change protection coverage at the line before the snap. That growth allowed Warner and Jim Bollman to be more aggressive and efficient this season.
Now they’d like to see him fine-tune the decision-making after the snap. Cook wants to see himself do this, too.
Self-awareness is a pretty good thing.
AgamemnonQB guru says Michigan State ‘jet fighter pilot’ Connor Cook top gun among QBs
http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2016/03/qb_guru_says_jet_fighter_pilot.html
Michigan State quarterback Connor Cook has seen his stock rise after strong performances at the NFL combine last month and Michigan State’s Pro Day last Wednesday.Mike Griffith | mgriffith@mlive.com
on March 21, 2016 at 7:41 AM, updated March 21, 2016 at 10:54 AMEAST LANSING — Quarterback trainer and expert George Whitfield likens Michigan State’s Connor Cook to a jet fighter pilot, the way the 2015 Big Ten Quarterback of the Year was able to command and control the Spartan’s complex offense.
Whitfield said that experience and success in MSU’s pro-style offense is why he believes Cook is the best outgoing collegiate quarterback in the nation.
“He’s everything that you want — tough, a leader, highly intelligent, a gamer,” said Whitfield, who has trained Cook the past three offseasons. “You go through the litany of things you are asked to do, be consistent, make all your throws and enhance the guys around you, and I think he’s done that over the span of the three years he’s played there.”
Cook’s draft stock has been a topic of debate, but most recently, his stock is on the rise.
Cook enjoyed a strong Pro Day outing last week, completing 59 of his 67 scripted throws with Whitfield in attendance and taking part, often waving his trademark broom at the quarterback’s feet to prompt game-like, pocket movement.
NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock was also at the Duffy Daugherty Football Building to watch the Spartans audition, and he was impressed with Cook’s arm.
“From Connor Cook’s perspective, what I liked the most was his deep ball accuracy,” Mayock said in his NFL.com report. “I thought he threw the ball extremely well, he did a good job in the middle of the field. A lot of scouts wanted to know whether or not he could drive the ball.
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“He’s got a good arm, strong, and today forget all about the 60 percent accuracy, today he thew the ball with tremendous accuracy.”The Denver Broncos’ team media site recently profiled Cook in a video, as he’s believed to be one of the players the franchise would consider selecting in the upcoming NFL draft.
“I’ve done a lot of stuff from under center,” said Cook, who met with the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday. “I’ve done the five-step drops, I’ve done the seven-step drops, naked play-action pass rollouts, just being able to operate from the pocket, being able to get the ball under center., and just our concepts make me the most ready.”
That experience, Whitfield explained on The Spartan Beat radio show on Lansing’s 92.1 FM, The Team, is what separates Cook from the other quarterbacks.
“I equate it like this: NFL offenses, they are much like fighter jets … and most college systems, they all have aircraft, every offense you see is basically looked at like an aircraft, and most systems are like helicopters,” Whitfield said. “You can be a helicopter pilot and be a great one, but when you get out of that helicopter and try to make it to the NFL, you have to learn all over again because very few things translate.
“You have to learn they take off different, they land different, they are just different. Connor and a few other quarterbacks in schools in college football are flying fighter jets — playing under center, reading more than one receiver at a time or reading the full field.”
Whitfield said quarterbacks coming out of spread offenses — and he has worked with several — operate more simplified systems that require fewer skills.
“Sometimes they have automatics, meaning before the ball even comes to me in the shot gun, I know the exact person I’m throwing to and there really is no determining factors, I’m going to him automatically,” Whitfield said. “He could be behind the line of scrimmage, he could be downfield, he could be over the ball, no matter what, it’s an automatic, the play is built for that.
“Pro-style systems, they are dictated by what the defense does, that’s what makes them all so hard to stop. So Connor is reading downfield as he’s dropping back, (and) if a linebacker steps a certain direction or if a safety does a certain thing, they are put into a bind, because he’ll read that and do the opposite thing with the football. That’s what happens in the NFL.”
NFL quarterbacks Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, EJ Manuel, Johnny Manziel, Bryce Petty and Jameis Winston are among the alumni of Whitfield’s San Diego quarterback and training academy.
Cook has most recently been projected to go 20th overall in the first round to the New York Jets.
Coach Mark Dantonio vouched for Cook’s leadership and work ethic, comparing Michigan State’s all-time leading passer to other Spartan QBs currently in the NFL that he coached — Kirk Cousins and Brian Hoyer.
Dantonio said he never anticipated that Cook not being one of the only three permanent captains selected off the 12-person leadership committee would create such a stir.
“I’m concentrated on getting our football team ready to play and doing what I’ve got to do for our football team to win games, so I lose sight of maybe things down the line a little bit, like everybody would,” Dantonio said. “I didn’t think it would cause this type of situation.
“Everyone needs to understand we won 43 games with these seniors, (and) there’s a lot of guys in the locker room that lead. There’s a lot of guys that have relationships with a lot of our players, so we had a very, very strong senior class.”
AgamemnonI would give the Rams a B. But, that is really history now. The Rams need to do better on their 2017 FAs than they did on their 2016 FAs. imo
AgamemnonThis draft is a good draft to take a chance on a QB. Of course, some choices are more attractive than others. I think most of the trade up crowd isn’t giving Keenum or Mannion enough credit. Regardless, I think the best play is to stay at 15 and draft a QB that you like out of whoever is left, maybe even Hackenberg. But, if you don’t, there are still players that you can draft later, even the undfas look decent this year. imo
AgamemnonWell, one wonders how a cranium thats
got two holes in it, would hold
up to football collisions.I’m still mad at Bailey.
If hed stayed away from the drugs,
he wouldnt been kicked off the team
and he would not have gotten shot.w
vI read that the doctors said the injury was like a super concussion. I hope he competes. I also hope we draft some better WRs. Right now, everyone is a free agent next year except Marquez.
Agamemnon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsy_J8C1fgw
ESPN’s Todd McShay has Lynch as his No. 2 overall pick in his Mock Draft 1.0, while ESPN’s Mel Kiper has the quarterback ranked No. 6 in his latest Big Board.
Paxton Lynch Separating Himself as 2016 Draft's Top QB, but Not Elite Prospect
Despite saying Lynch “could use time on an NFL bench,” Kiper still listed the Memphis product as his second-overall prospect in November.
The CBS Sports team has also hopped onto the bandwagon, as both Rob Rang and Dane Brugler currently have Lynch mocked as the second-overall pick, coming off the board to the Cleveland Browns. If you think a quarterback is a 10-year starter for you, by all means rank him first overall on your board, but situations matter in the NFL, and I think gone are the days when a Carson Palmer can be taken early and redshirt for a season.
SI senior writer Chris Burke explains why he currently ranks Paxton Lynch as the best quarterback in the 2016 NFL draft.
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/02/10/2016-nfl-mock-draft-laremy-tunsil-paxton-lynch-jalen-ramsey
Not long ago, Lynch was considered as the best QB in this draft by a lot of people. He isn’t any more, but he would still be fine at !5. imo
AgamemnonI would have liked to resign Fairley, but I was going to draft a DT anyway. Maybe I draft 2 now? 😉
AgamemnonIf a team trades up, they will probably give to much. I hope it isn’t the Rams. I would rather stay and draft Lynch. Drafting a WR or even some other position is fine too.
AgamemnonThe biggest benefit to drafting in the NFL is the top of the second round.
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2015/04/nfl_draft_trade_chart_sorted_b.html
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-nfl-draft-value-index/
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=527
Links to a lot of “technical” talk about the old draft chart, the new trade chart, trades, the value of picks in different rounds.Remember, one of the Cleveland guys is a moneyball guy from baseball. Then probably the Browns would like to trade their top pick, the Rams probably won’t trade up, but probably will take a QB at 15. The Rams will probably favor potential(Lynch), although that is not real Fisher style. but it is almost a moneyball thing in most cases. That is Snead’s style. imo
It is easier to get relative value at DT and WR or another position in the second round, than to find that potential at QB.
AgamemnonRoss & Greg breakdown WRs in the upcoming draft.
Plus, some RG3, some Keenum. He talks about fit. He likes Treadwell.
Agamemnon
There is not a large difference between the talent available at 15 or 43 and 45 in this year’s draft. imoMaybe we should take a QB at 15. Get the fifth year option to develope him.
Agamemnon15 LA RAMS *Laquan Treadwell WR Mississippi
43 LA Rams (from Philadelphia) Connor Cook QB Michigan State
45 LA Rams *Kendall Fuller CB Virginia Tech
76 LA Rams Nick Martin C Notre Dame
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