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A Skeleton Still Buried and a Skull
Unearthed: The Story of ZanaBy Igor Bourtsev
From: “In the Footsteps of the Russian Snowman” by Dmitri Bayanov
Additional Photo added 2003 at the end —
In Abkhazia, Western Caucasus, relict hominoids are called abnauayu. While collecting reports in 1962, a colleague of Boris Porshnev, zoologist Prof Alexander Mashkovtsev, heard and studied the story of Zana. Subsequently, Porshnev took over where his late companion left off. The following information is borrowed from Porshnev’s work The Struggle for Troglodytes.Zana was a female abnauayu who had been caught and tamed and who lived and died within the memory of a number of people still alive at the time of the research. She was buried near the village of Tkhina in the Ochamchiri District of Abkhazia in the 1880s or 1890s.
The manner of her capture is vague. Some said it was not a chance catch. Hunters familiar with an age-old technique tied her up, and, when she furiously fought back, hit her with cudgels, gagged her mouth with felt, and shackled her legs to a log. Probably she had already changed hands by sale when she became property of the ruling prince D.M.Achba who was the titular head of the Zaadan region. She passed into the possession of one of his vassals, named Chelokua and still later she was presented to a nobleman, Edgi Genaba, who visited the region. He took her away, still shackled and chained, to his estate in the village of Tkhina on the Mokva River, 78 kilometres from Sukhumi.
At first Genaba lodged her in a very strong enclosure and nobody ventured in to give her food, for she acted like a wild beast. It was thrown to her. She dug herself a hole in the ground and slept in it and for the first three years she lived in this wild state, gradually becoming tamer. After three years she was moved to a wattle-fence enclosure under an awning near the house, tethered at first, but later she was let loose to wander about. However she never went far from the place where she received her food. She could not endure warm rooms and the year round, in any weather, slept outdoors in a hole that she made herself under the awning.
Villagers teased her with sticks thrust through the wattle-fence, and she.would snatch them with fury, bare her teeth and howl.
Her skin was black, or dark grey, and her whole body covered with reddish-black hair. The hair on her head was tousled and thick, hanging mane-like down her back.
She could not speak, over decades that she lived with people, Zana did not learn a single Abkhaz word; she only made inarticulate sounds and mutterings, and cries when irritated. But she reacted to her name, carried out commands given by her master and was scared when he shouted at her. And this despite the fact that she was very tall, massive and broad, with huge breasts and buttocks, muscular arms and legs, and fingers that were longer and thicker than human fingers. She could splay her toes widely and move apart the big toe.
From remembered descriptions given to Mashkovtsev and Porshnev, her face was terrifying; broad, with high cheekbones, flat nose, turned out nostrils, muzzle-like jaws, wide mouth with large teeth, low forehead, and eyes of a reddish tinge. But the most frightening feature was her expression which was purely animal, not human. Sometimes, she would give a spontaneous laugh, baring those big white teeth of hers. The latter were so strong that she easily cracked the hardest walnuts.
She lived for many years without showing any change: no grey hair, no falling teeth, keeping strong and fit as ever. Her athletic power was enormous. She would outrun a horse, and swim across the wild Mokva River even when it rose in violent high tide. Seemingly without effort she lifted with one hand an eighty-kilo sack of flour and carried it uphill from the water-mill to the village. She climbed trees to get fruit, and to gorge herself with grapes she would pull down a whole vine growing around the tree. She ate whatever was offered to her, including hominy and meat, with bare hands and enormous gluttony. She loved wine, and was allowed her fill, after which she would sleep for hours in a swoonlike state.
She liked to lie in a cool pool side by side with buffalos. At night she used to roam the surrounding hills. She wielded big sticks against dogs and on other perilous occasions. She had a curious obsession for playing with stones, knocking one against another and splitting them.
She took swims the year round, and preferred to walk naked even in winter, tearing dresses that she was given into shreds. However, she showed more tolerance toward a loin-cloth. Sometimes she went into the house, but the women were afraid of her and came near only when she was in a gentle mood; when angry she, presented a scary sight and could even bite. But she obeyed her master, Edgi Genaba, and he knew how to bring her to heel. Adults used her as a bogy figure with children, although Zana never actually attacked children.
She was trained to perform simple domestic tasks, such as grinding grain for flour, bringing home firewood and water, or sacks to and from the water-mill, or pull her master’s high boots off.
But she became the mother of human children, and this is the wonderous side of her life story, very important for the science of genetics. Zana was pregnant several times by various men, and, giving birth without assistance, she always washed the newborn child in the cold water-spring. The half-breed infants, unable to survive these ablutions, died.
So, when subsequently Zana gave birth, the villagers began taking the newborn babies away from her in good time, and reared them themselves. Four times this happened, and the children, two sons and two daughters, grew up as humans, fully-fledged and normal men and women who could talk and possessed reason. It is true that they had some strange physical and mental features, but nonetheless they were fully capable of engaging in work and social Life
The eldest son’s name was Dzhanda, and the eldest daughier was Kodzhanar. The second daughter was named Gamasa, and the younger son Khwit, who died in 1954. All had descendants of their own, scattered across Abkhazia.
There were rumours that the father of Gamasa and Khwit was in fact Edgi Genaba himself, but in the census they were put down under a different surname, and their family-name became Sabekia. It is significant that Zana was buried in the family cemetery of the Genabas, and that the two youngest children of Zana were brought up by Genaba’s wife.
Gamasa and Khwit were both powerfully built, had dark skins, but they inherited scarcely anything from Zana’s facial appearance. The complex of human features, inherited from their father, was dominant in them and overruled the mother’s line of descent. Khwit, who died at the age of 65 or 70, was described by his fellow-villagers as little different from the human norm, except for certain small divergences. He was extremely strong, difficult to deal with and quick to pick a fight. In fact, he lost his right hand after one of the many fights he had with his fellow-villagers, but his left hand sufficed him to mow and do other work on a collective farm, and even climb trees. When old, he moved to the town of Tkvarcheli where he eventually died, but he was taken back for burial at Tkhina.
The next stage of the Zana case was taken up by attempts fo find her grave and skeleton. Here is what Boris Porshnev Says about his first effort in that direction:
In September 1964, the archaeologist V.S.Orelkin and I made our first attempt to find Zana’s grave. The cemetery was wildly overgrown and only the ten-year-old mound over Khwit’s grave could be picked out among the bracken covering the hillside. Nobody else had been buried since then.
Zana must be somewhere near. We asked the old residents and the last scion of the Genaba dan, seventy-nine-year-old Kenton. He was clear that we should dig under a pomegranate tree. What was found there turned out to be the remains of one of Zana’s grandchildren who had died early, for the profile that we established from the skull was extraordinarily like the profiles of Zana’s two living grandchildren whom I myself had met.
After two more expeditions the search party had still not found Zana’s bones, though in a third attempt in October 1965, they found what are probably the bones of Gamasa, as they present slight, but definite paleoanthropic features.
After the passing of Porshnev it fell to my lot to continue the search. I headed three expeditions to Abkhazia in search of Zana’s skeleton, in 1971, 1975 and 1978, which merits a separate story. Our difficulty was that by that time the last scion of the Genaba dan had passed away and nobody knew exactly where Zana’s grave was. We put in a tremendous amount of spade work on that hillside, digging sticky clayey earth under almost daily downpours. During the second expedition I was taken seriously ill with an illness which doctors failed to identify. We never found a skeleton that would fit Zana’s features as described by witnesses.
It was then decided to exhume the skull of Khwit, Zana’s younger son, whose grave was still well indicated. Professor N. Bourchak-Abramovich assisted me in that digging. I brought the skull to Moscow where it was studied by two physical anthropologists, M.A.Kolodieva and M.M.Gerasimova. The results of the study were reported by me at the Relict Hominoid Research Seminar and the Moscow Naturalists’ Society and published in 1987.
The exhumed skull of Zana’s son, Khwit, exhibits a combination of modern and ancient features which aroused great interest amongst anthropologists(See Additional Photo of Zana’s son at the bottom of this article)
Anthropologist M.A.Kolodieva compared the skull of Khwit with the male skulls from Abkhazia in the collection of the Moscow State University Institute of Anthropology and found that Khwit’s skull was significantly different. Indicating it as the Tkhina skull, she writes:The Tkhina skull exhibits an original combination of modem and ancient features … The facial section of the skull is significantly larger in comparison with the mean Abkhaz type … All the measurements and indices of the superciliary cranial contour are greater not only than those of the mean Abkhaz series, but also than those of maximum size of some fossil skulls studied (or rather were comparable with the latter). The Tkhina skull approaches closest the Neolithic Vovnigi II skulls of the fossil series…
On her part, anthropologist M.M.Gerasimova came to following conclusions:
The skull discloses a great deal of peculiarity, a certain disharmony disequilibrium in its features, very large dimensions of the facial skeleton, increased development of the contour of the skull, specificity of the non-metric features (the two foramina mentale in the lower jaw, the intrusive bones in the sagittal suture, and the Inca bone). The skull merits further extended study.
So the bottom line of the Zana case today is this: we have nothing but the words of witnesses to describe Zana’s peculiar nature, but the hard and specific evidence of her son’s skull goes a long way in making the testimony of witnesses more solid and trustworthy.
Text From: In the Footsteps of the Russian Snowman by Dmitri Bayanov.
(1996, Moscow, Russia: Crypto-Logos, pp. 46-52)Additional Photo of Zana’s son, reference unknown:
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AgamemnonParticipantFebruary 15, 2017 at 12:21 pm in reply to: Should the Rams franchise CB Trumaine Johnson again? #65308
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AgamemnonParticipantFebruary 7, 2017 at 1:31 pm in reply to: Rams go after Mark LaFleur for OC…and then, hire him #65024
AgamemnonParticipantWith Steve Sarkisian going to Atlanta, Falcons QB coach Matt LaFleur is expected to become Rams offensive coordinator, per sources.
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AgamemnonParticipantJanuary 30, 2017 at 1:18 am in reply to: Rams working out which of their free agents fit new schemes #64537
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AgamemnonParticipantJanuary 24, 2017 at 8:20 pm in reply to: ESPN: It might be time for the Rams to splurge on a #1 receiver #64306
AgamemnonParticipantIf they get another TE in FA, what happens to Kendricks? I have no problem with them letting him walk. He is gonna collect a bonus 3/11 so they’ll have to make a decision soon.
Kendricks bonus is $0.5 million. That is almost just an insurance policy. I think, keep him on the roster and if you draft a TE, Kendricks can just compete or be there if there is an injury. imo
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Of course, they might not like him as a player or they might want to use his cap dollars somewhere else.January 24, 2017 at 1:56 pm in reply to: ESPN: It might be time for the Rams to splurge on a #1 receiver #64274
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AgamemnonParticipantI can’t get the site to play the right vid.


I have to turn Adblock off, but the video plays.
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AgamemnonParticipantIt appears that Callahan would be the best hire. He could fix the Offensive Line and the running game. But he is under contract to Washington for one more year. Maybe the Rams will go after him next year?
maybe if they can’t get the guy they want, they’ll have kromer be the offensive coordinator/oline coach for the time being. then hire the guy they want next year.
With Phillips taking care of the defense and Fassel taking care of Special Teams, McVay can concentrate on the offense and that makes it easy to mix and match stuff(other coaching positions). imo
AgamemnonParticipantI want to add a CB and get the offense going. Along the way, anything that helps is good.
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The Salary Cap is fine. We have no millstone contracts. That doesn’t mean we can do everything we might want to do, but we can do any important things that we want. imo-
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AgamemnonParticipantTold reason Greg Olson bailed on #Bills OC for #Rams QB job was mostly lifestyle choice. Wanted to stay in CA w teenage kids there.
— Vic Carucci (@viccarucci) January 18, 2017
Greg Olson also has history w new #Rams coach Sean McVay. Were together on Jon Gruden's Bucs staff. #Bills job would have paid much more.
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AgamemnonParticipantFull list of under-25 QBs Greg Olson has coached:
Grossman, Harrington, J.Freeman, Gabbert, T. Pryor, McGloyn,Carr, Bortles.— Mike Tanier 📎 (@MikeTanier) January 18, 2017
Former Jaguars OC Greg Olson, a favorite to become Bills OC, now is planning to become the Los Angeles Rams QB coach, per league source.
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January 17, 2017 at 4:39 pm in reply to: LA Rams To Let CB Trumaine Johnson, WR Kenny Britt Leave In FA, Sign WR DeSean J #63777
AgamemnonParticipantA bit more on the Salary Cap. Donald’s 5th years is 2018. We can franchise him in 2019. Donald isn’t going anywhere before we extend him. Goff’s 5th year is 2020. etc. etc.

Our Salary Cap Model is presently just 10 players for 49.0% of the Salary Cap. It is realistic to go as much as 12 players for 60%, plus or minus, of the Salary Cap. All this means is we have a lot of wiggle room and we can keep whoever we feel are the best players. We can add players. 11% of the salary cap is $18.5 million. This just another way to arrive at the same figure. We can spend about $34 million on FAs, ours or theirs. We can start cutting people, but do we really get more value that way? I think not. imo
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As we add players to our top list, we can drop other players off. If we draft well, they will turn into comp picks.January 17, 2017 at 2:02 pm in reply to: LA Rams To Let CB Trumaine Johnson, WR Kenny Britt Leave In FA, Sign WR DeSean J #63751
AgamemnonParticipantI don’t know why the Rams would let TruJo go without a serious attempt at re-signing him. Big, physical corners who can cover aren’t easy to find. He had a down year but so did the entire team. I chalk that up to the move and injuries as he was banged up quite a bit.
I don’t know much about the writer and we need CBs anyway. But, you know, the new guys will always bring in some of their old guys. It is good to have variety in posts, so I thought would add it here.
Remember, Williams went to Cleveland. They have $108 million in Cap Space. He can out bid the Rams for any player he likes, if Cleveland wants. The Rams[$44 million] are in the middle of the pack as far as Cap Space.
January 17, 2017 at 12:31 pm in reply to: LA Rams To Let CB Trumaine Johnson, WR Kenny Britt Leave In FA, Sign WR DeSean J #63745
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There were 12 players on Injured Reserve last year. That is a minimum of almost $6 million. Last year the cost of doing business was almost $12 million, counting everything. This year the rookie pool for drafting will be less, but an estimate of ~$10 million per year of doing business is reasonable. The Rams $44 million is really closer to $34 million. imo
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