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  • #128089
    Herzog
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    I think we are going to have the worst season to date with Mcvay.

    Here’s my reasoning:

    1. We are going to lose a lot of defensive talent… Many of those “diamond in the rough” types are going to get paid somewhere else.

    2. QB in a new system. Even Aaron Rogers had one of his worst statistical seasons in a new offense in year 1. Year 2 he had one of his best, but not year 1. And it’s basically the same offensive system we use.

    3. The shine has come off of Mcvay. It kind of reminds me of John Gruden. Electrifying enthusiasm at first, but does it wear people out? I wonder if the Goff situation will plant a seed of distrust in the players.

    4. Staff turnover is insane. It’s basically a new staff that seems to have been built on the fly.

    I think we are poised for a down year.

    #128090
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    I am not worried about the talent or QB. I am worried about the coaching.
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    We never replaced Fassel. We did replace Phillips.
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    Still looking for Fassel replacement. We have to replace the guy who replaced Phillips. We have to replace Kromer and a bunch of assistants who jumped ship. imo

    Agamemnon

    #128094
    wv
    Participant

    I dont expect the defense to be top 3 next year,
    and i do expect a fall-off, but i think they
    could still be a solid top-ten defense.

    I just think its all about the OLine now.
    I dont have any predictions on the Oline,
    all i can do is wait and see.

    But if they put together a top-ten Oline,
    I think it could be a 12 win team.

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    #128096
    Herzog
    Participant

    5. O-line. I only see it getting worse.

    #128101
    TSRF
    Participant

    I admire your optimism, but is going to be much worse than you state.

    Take off those rose colored glasses, Herzog.

    I am kidding, of course.

    #128103
    Cal
    Participant

    I agree with Herzog. I’m not real optimistic about next season either.

    After that horrible play-off loss, I’m wondering just how good that defense actually is.

    They played against some bad offenses last year: Washington football team, Patriots, Giants, Jets, Eagles, Dolphins (with a rookie qb in his first start), and the Cards with a banged-up Kyler Murray. Murray was a much better qb in the first 10 games last year before he got hurt.

    And that defense will probably lose two good players in Floyd and Johnson. I really would like to see the Rams re-sign Floyd, but how does that happen with their cap situation?

    I’m not sure that I like the vibes I’m getting from the Raheem Morris hire either. Has he ever coached a top 5 defense?

    #128104
    JackPMiller
    Participant

    5. O-line. I only see it getting worse.

    That is why, we need to pray that Creed Humphrey drops to us at 54.

    #128105
    wv
    Participant

    5. O-line. I only see it getting worse.

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    What about the long-snapper?
    Do you see him having a hunting accident?

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    #128106
    Herzog
    Participant

    5. O-line. I only see it getting worse.

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    What about the long-snapper?
    Do you see him having a hunting accident?

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    Blisters from a guitar playing accident.

    #128107
    Herzog
    Participant

    I admire your optimism, but is going to be much worse than you state.

    Take off those rose colored glasses, Herzog.

    I am kidding, of course.

    Lol… I know it’s very gloom and doom… but it’s honestly how I feel

    #128117
    Hram
    Participant

    Even after we lose a couple folks, defense has enough players to be top 10 IMO. Could be better with Donald and Ramsey, but, barring injury, should be top 10.

    It all depends on the Oline IMO. If Oline is average or better, Stafford will adapt pretty darn quick and we should be legit challengers. If Oline is worse than average, might be another fight for a wild card.

    #128126
    zn
    Moderator

    Just puttin this here to add to the discussion. Agreements, disagreements?

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    6 reasons for hope for the Rams in 2021

    Cameron DaSilva

    *https://theramswire.usatoday.com/lists/rams-reasons-for-hope-2021-next-season/

    There was a lot to like about the Rams’ 2020 season, which unfortunately ended in the divisional round at the hands of the Green Bay Packers. They improved dramatically on defense, found a budding star at running back and got contributions from players who previously hadn’t done much in Los Angeles.

    We’re still five months from the start of the 2021 season, but there’s plenty of reason for hope for the Rams. And even though the offseason is just getting started, Les Snead wasted no time improving the roster by agreeing to trade for Matthew Stafford.

    There’s a decent chance the Rams will be even better next season and contend for a Super Bowl, with these being the six biggest reasons for hope in L.A.

    1

    The addition of Matthew Stafford

    There’s no bigger reason for hope in Los Angeles than the arrival of Stafford. That may sound overly optimistic, given his career playoff record of 0-3, but Stafford is a legitimate upgrade over Jared Goff – and nothing held the Rams back more in 2020 than the play of their quarterback.

    With Stafford, they have a quarterback who can process things quickly, extend plays by avoiding pressure in the pocket and make throws downfield. The offense with Goff under center was conservative and bland, opting for short and quick passes, which put a high reliance on wideouts making plays after the catch.

    The goal in 2021 should be to have an offense that can strike fear in opposing defenses and not allow them to both stack the box and sit on underneath routes. Stafford is one of the most aggressive passers in football and will throw (and complete) passes deep that Goff was unwilling and unable to.

    2

    Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey will still lead the defense

    When you have two All-Pros leading your defense like the Rams do with Donald and Ramsey, you’re bound to play some quality football on that side. The potential losses of John Johnson, Troy Hill and Leonard Floyd will hurt, but Donald will still rush the passer and Ramsey will still lock down wide receivers on a weekly basis.

    That will make life difficult for opposing quarterbacks, which is job No. 1 for a defense. Affect and pressure the quarterback, and take away the team’s best receiver. Brandon Staley installed a great system in Los Angeles that should carry over under Raheem Morris in 2021. The Rams may not have the No. 1 defense in the NFL again next season, but this is a team that should still finish in the top 10 defensively.

    3

    Cam Akers is a legitimate RB1

    It took a while for Akers to get going last season, but once he took the reins of the starting job, he excelled. Heading into Year 2, he should be the starting running back and receiving at least 15-20 touches per game. His emergence should have the Rams feeling good about their offense and running game in 2021, especially with Darrell Henderson in the mix, too.

    They could have a really strong tandem in the backfield with those two players, which will take pressure off of Stafford and the passing game. Play action will be effective, defenses will have to respect the run and with Stafford being more aggressive throwing downfield, it should open things up for the running backs.

    Expect to see a heavy dosage of Akers next season and if he can average 92 yards rushing per game like he did in his final seven games of 2020, the Rams could have a similar player to the 2018 version of Todd Gurley on their hands.

    4

    Offensive line should remain (mostly) intact

    Andrew Whitworth should be back, David Edwards is likely to remain the starting left guard, Austin Corbett is still under contract and Rob Havenstein is coming off a bounce-back performance in 2020. Those four starters should remain intact next season, with the biggest question mark being Austin Blythe at center.

    He’s set to be a free agent and if the Rams can’t (or choose not to) retain him, they’ll be looking for a new starting center. Brian Allen shouldn’t be counted on to overtake that job, so it could be a rookie or a free-agent signee.

    Even if Blythe does leave in free agency, the Rams will be in fine shape up front. This group performed well enough last season and there’s little reason to believe that can’t continue next season. It’s not as if the offensive line needs a makeover like it did heading into the 2020 season.

    5

    Sean McVay continues to evolve and adapt

    In four seasons as a head coach, McVay has yet to post a losing record. His worst season was 9-7 in 2019 and even then, the Rams were in contention for a playoff spot late in the year. McVay is one of the best coaches in football and there are no signs of him regressing, either.

    After being very reliant on 11 personnel and using three receivers on offense, McVay adapted by utilizing more two-tight end sets late in 2019 and into 2020. He’s adding wrinkles to the playbook and that will continue next season – especially with Akers in the backfield.

    He opens things up for the Rams and we began to see that in the divisional round against the Packers when he ran it out of wildcat formations, something McVay expects to continue next season. McVay will find ways to get Brycen Hopkins involved as a receiver, as well as Van Jefferson on more downfield passes.

    6

    Special teams will improve under Joe DeCamillis

    It’ll be hard for the Rams’ special teams unit to be much worse than it was last season. They were one of the worst teams in that phase of the game and though missed field goals didn’t necessarily cost them any wins, the special teams as a whole did nothing to help with field position.

    DeCamillis has already emphasized the importance of finding “a great returner” and with Matt Gay steading the kicking game after his arrival, special teams should be improved next season. Johnny Hekker was uncharacteristically inefficient down the stretch, too, and unless he’s on a serious downward trend in the form of a regression, I expect him to rebound.

    The Rams ranked 24th in starting field position and 20th in opponent starting field position, so there’s plenty of room for improvement. Getting better in those areas will help both the offense and defense, too.

    #128127
    Herzog
    Participant

    I thought we were losing Havenstein

    #128128
    Zooey
    Participant

    I think I’m optimistic about the year. The defense is going to be good, and the offense should be better.

    I have two main areas of concern (outside of health which is always a concern, but uncontrollable) and those are the turnover in the coaching staff. That makes me uneasy. And the other is the lack of a deep game.

    I haven’t seen an explanation as to why the Rams just didn’t have those explosive plays last year. We know Goff has made those throws in the past. What was different? I know they lost Cooks, but the Rams have some receivers, and they have some speed, and I don’t understand why the Rams didn’t stretch the field this last year.

    Both of those issues may be forgotten by October as ever having been a concern, but those are two things about the Rams that unsettle me.

    I’d like to see upgrades in personnel, but nothing really worries me there. They’ve got players.

    #128143
    joemad
    Participant

    I think we are going to have the worst season to date with Mcvay.

    Here’s my reasoning:

    1. We are going to lose a lot of defensive talent… Many of those “diamond in the rough” types are going to get paid somewhere else.

    2. QB in a new system. Even Aaron Rogers had one of his worst statistical seasons in a new offense in year 1. Year 2 he had one of his best, but not year 1. And it’s basically the same offensive system we use.

    3. The shine has come off of Mcvay. It kind of reminds me of John Gruden. Electrifying enthusiasm at first, but does it wear people out? I wonder if the Goff situation will plant a seed of distrust in the players.

    4. Staff turnover is insane. It’s basically a new staff that seems to have been built on the fly.

    I think we are poised for a down year.

    I think we are going to have the worst season to date with Mcvay.

    Here’s my reasoning:

    1. We are going to lose a lot of defensive talent… Many of those “diamond in the rough” types are going to get paid somewhere else.

    2. QB in a new system. Even Aaron Rogers had one of his worst statistical seasons in a new offense in year 1. Year 2 he had one of his best, but not year 1. And it’s basically the same offensive system we use.

    3. The shine has come off of Mcvay. It kind of reminds me of John Gruden. Electrifying enthusiasm at first, but does it wear people out? I wonder if the Goff situation will plant a seed of distrust in the players.

    4. Staff turnover is insane. It’s basically a new staff that seems to have been built on the fly.

    I think we are poised for a down year.

    I agree…. and I’ll add point 5:

    5. Every team in the NFC WEST is getting a 1st round pick except for the Rams. This will happen for 4 straight seasons.

    The Rams will not be able to pick players like Donald, Brockers, etc, but every other team with a first round pick will……

    #128147
    Zooey
    Participant

    The Rams will not be able to pick players like Donald, Brockers, etc, but every other team with a first round pick will……

    Yes, but a lot of those guys will pick Tony Mandarich.

    Meanwhile, the Rams trade for Ramsey.

    #128220
    zn
    Moderator

    The coach who has me most curious is the new OL coach, Carberry. It has been a long time since they had a newbie OL coach. Going back to 97 in fact.

    Plus they need some OL players.

    Outside of that–edge rusher/OLB, downfield WR, a replacement for Brown.

    But even with what they have, they ought to have a winning season. Not sure how far they will go.

    None of the coaching changes bother me. Though as I said I want to see how the Carberr-ator does.

    I look forward to seeing Stafford play. He has the potential to be a cut above every prior qb the Rams have had since the 70s (when I started following them)…except Warner, though maybe even Warner.

    I do like this joke though:

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