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November 5, 2020 at 9:18 am #123875ZooeyModerator
Mackeyser, I don’t think you have those numbers right. Every site I look at has Biden at 253 (264 now that AZ has been called for JB), including the NYT which shows the ME vote going to Trump (btw…anyone here from ME? WTF, man? I would’ve laid $ on Collins losing).
The NYT also has a flow chart of all the possible outcomes, and a tie can only be achieved by is if Biden wins GA, and Trump wins all the others. And now that AZ has gone to Biden, a tie is no longer possible.
November 5, 2020 at 9:32 am #123876ZooeyModeratorI am surprised to see Trump’s vote total topping 67 million. He had 60 million in 2016, and I did not expect him to get much higher than that, and would have expected that number to drop a tad, actually. I just didn’t think that his 4 years would have attracted anybody who wasn’t already attracted to him in 2016, but that is over a 10% increase which is quite a lot.
I suppose it is due to higher turn out – people who WOULD have voted for Trump in 2016 if they had voted. But that’s just a guess.
I also expected Biden’s popular vote win to exceed Hillary, who won by 2.9 million. 8 hours ago, Biden’s popular vote lead was 2.5 million. So…a lot closer than I expected.
The voting seems to have gone very well, all things considered. A bunch of absentee ballots were never delivered, it seems, and we will have to wait to see if anybody follows that story…but there were no ugly incidents at polling stations, or any significant claims of voter suppression.
Given all that…what do we make of the weakness of the Democrats in this election? They underperformed from Biden right on down the ballot. Perhaps some Republicans DID vote for Biden, but kept to their party line the rest of the way.
Looks like we are going to have two years of nothing happening in Congress while the economy collapses. Can’t be good for 2022. Gotta assume 2024 will have someone else on top of the ticket. Buttigieg is pretty clearly the guy the DNC wants there.
November 5, 2020 at 9:57 am #123877wvParticipantI’m too nervous to watch any of this. I need something like NFL-Replay, so i could watch it all if Trump loses. I hope this is fucking over at some point today so i can breathe.
election day 2 mood pic.twitter.com/DSIYeMt5cj
— Lukas Clark-Memler (@lclarkmemler) November 4, 2020
November 5, 2020 at 10:25 am #123878ZooeyModeratorhttps://www.dailyposter.com/p/six-takeaways-from-election-night
Six Takeaways From Election Night
Dems’ weak economic message helped Trump, the Lincoln Project embarrassed itself, and a ton of grassroots money was set on fire.David Sirota, Andrew Perez, and Julia Rock
Nov 3As the country awaits the final results of the presidential election, there are already six key lessons to be gleaned from election, campaign finance and public opinion data.
1. Democrats’ Weak Economic Message Hugely Helped Trump
The Democratic ticket pretty much ran away from economic issues — sure, it had decent position papers, but economic transformation was not a huge part of its public messaging, and that failure buoyed Trump, according to exit polls from Edison Research.Trump won 81 percent of the vote among the third of the electorate that listed the economy as its top priority. Even more amazing — Trump and Biden equally split the vote among those whose priority is a president who “cares about people like me.”
2. The Lincoln Project And Rahm Emanuel Embarrassed Themselves
The Lincoln Project, the anti-Trump cash cow for veteran Republican consultants, has raised $40 million from MSNBC-watching Brunch Liberals in just the last few months, and is now set to launch a media brand off the idea that its GOP operatives are political geniuses.Their ads focused on trying to court disaffected Republican voters and attack Trump’s character, as Biden loaded up the Democratic convention with GOP speakers. When polls during the summer showed that the strategy wasn’t working, galaxy brain Rahm Emanuel defended it to a national televised audience, insisting that 2020 would be “the year of the Biden Republican.”
Now survey data show the strategy epically failed, as Trump actually garnered even more support from GOP voters than in 2016. Indeed, Edison Research exit polls on Tuesday found that 93 percent of Republican voters supported Trump — three percentage points higher than in 2016, according to numbers from the same firm.
The takeaway: There may be a lot of so-called “Never Trump Republicans” promoted in the media and in politics, but “Never Trump Republicans” are not a statistically significant group of voters anywhere in America. They basically do not exist anywhere outside of the Washington Beltway or cable news green rooms — and after tonight’s results, we shouldn’t have to see them on TV or even see their tweets ever again.
As for the Lincoln Project’s focus on trying to scandalize Trump’s character, the exit polls found that voters are far more concerned about policy issues than personality. Seventy-three percent of voters said their candidate’s positions on the issues were more important in their vote for president than their candidate’s personal qualities.
3. People Don’t Love The Affordable Care Act
While it may have made short-term sense for Democrats to focus on the GOP’s efforts to repeal protections for patients with pre-existing conditions, Americans actually aren’t particularly pleased with the Affordable Care Act at a moment when millions have lost health insurance and insurers’ profits are skyrocketing because people can’t or don’t want to go to the doctor.Edison Research exit polls found that 52 percent of voters think the Supreme Court should keep Obamacare, while 43 percent said the court should overturn it.
A Fox News Voter Analysis survey, which went to more than 29,000 people in all 50 states between Oct. 26 and Nov. 3, found similar numbers but suggests the ACA’s support is fairly thin: 14 percent of people want to leave the law as is while 40 percent of people would like to improve it.
The same poll asked voters if they would support changing the health care system so that any American can buy into a government-run health care plan if they want to — also known as a public health insurance option — and found that 71 percent of people support the idea and only 29 percent oppose.
Although Biden and Senate Democrats both supported a public health insurance option plan, their campaigns and outside spending groups spent more time messaging around protecting the ACA. The Kaiser Family Foundation’s tracking poll has shown consistently middling support for the ACA — and showed that during the summer COVID burst, the law was underwater among Americans aged 50-64.
The ACA’s protections for patients with pre-existing conditions was a key topic in recent weeks in the lead-up to new Trump Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett’s confirmation, with the court set to hear a challenge to the law soon.
In a speech that Biden gave from Wilmington on Oct. 28, focused on COVID-19 and his health care plan, Biden spoke about the importance of trusting science and mask wearing, and highlighted Trump’s attacks on the ACA, but he only mentioned a public option once.
4. A Lot Of Grassroots Money Was Set On Fire
Democrats raised roughly a quarter billion dollars for senate races in Kentucky, South Carolina, Texas and Alabama — and their candidates all appear to have gone down to defeat by 10 points or more.These are tough states for Democrats, but there’s a cautionary tale about resource allocation among Democrats’ donor base. While grassroots-funded advocacy and media organizations are starved for resources, a handful of candidates can snap their fingers and be awash in cash at election time — and still get crushed.
Democratic Senate candidates saw a massive surge in donations after Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s death in September — before the party barely put up a fight and Justice Amy Coney Barrett was quickly confirmed to the Supreme Court.
5. Democrats’ Court Calculation Was Wrong
When Trump nominated right-wing extremist Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court, the conventional wisdom was that Democrats shouldn’t seriously combat the nomination, because a court fight would primarily motivate conservative voters. Exit polls prove that false: 60 percent of voters said the court was a significant factor in their vote, and a majority of those voters supported Biden — who barely spoke up against the nomination. Had there been a more intense fight, it might have helped the Democrats.All but one of the top tier Democratic Senate candidates shied away from talk of adding new Supreme Court court seats if their party won control of the Senate — which doesn’t matter now, since many of them lost anyway.
6. A Large Percentage Of Americans Have Lost Their Minds
In mid-October, Bloomberg News reported that “the proportion of Americans dying from coronavirus infections is the highest in the developed world” — and yet exit polls show 48 percent of Americans believe their government’s efforts to contain the coronavirus pandemic are going very well or somewhat well.After a season of destructive wildfires and hurricanes, the same exit polls show 30 percent of Americans say climate change is not a serious problem.
November 5, 2020 at 10:33 am #123879ZooeyModeratorI’m too nervous to watch any of this. I need something like NFL-Replay, so i could watch it all if Trump loses. I hope this is fucking over at some point today so i can breathe.
Yeah, I shut off the TV Tuesday night when it became clear we have a nail-biter.
AP has called AZ for Biden, but the NYT has not.
Biden still needs one more state, and he is behind in all of them except NV where he leads by fewer than 8K votes.
So…you know…if there’s any chance of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, you would have to bet that the Democrats were the most likely to pull that off.
November 5, 2020 at 11:58 am #123881waterfieldParticipantMackeyser, I don’t think you have those numbers right. Every site I look at has Biden at 253 (264 now that AZ has been called for JB), including the NYT which shows the ME vote going to Trump (btw…anyone here from ME? WTF, man? I would’ve laid $ on Collins losing).
The NYT also has a flow chart of all the possible outcomes, and a tie can only be achieved by is if Biden wins GA, and Trump wins all the others. And now that AZ has gone to Biden, a tie is no longer possible.
I think Mac could very well be right. Right now Trump is leading in each state Biden needs to win to go to the WH. What’s depressing to me is that no matter who wins roughly 1 out of 2 voters have given a thumbs up to the behavior of a man who believes in bullying, lying, racist, zenophobia, misogyny, climate denial, etc. And it is not just angry older white men. Here in blue, blue, liberal California he has drawn more minorities and especially women of color than ever before in any Presidential election year. I have about 5 friends of color-I mean close friends-friends we do stuff with-friends that are there when you need them. 2 of the 5 voted for Trump. How is that even possible. I read a quote in the L.A. Times from a woman an African American contributor. She wrote: “Biden was wrong about Trump being an aberration when he said “It’s not who we are, he said again and again on the campaign trail.’Its not what America is” Wrong. that is exactly who we are as Americans”
Let that sink in and ask “how did we get there” ? I have my own theory which my wife does not buy-maybe some of you will. I’ll post it separately.
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November 5, 2020 at 12:03 pm #123883znModeratorMackeyser, I don’t think you have those numbers right. Every site I look at has Biden at 253 (264 now that AZ has been called for JB), including the NYT which shows the ME vote going to Trump (btw…anyone here from ME? WTF, man? I would’ve laid $ on Collins losing).
The NYT also has a flow chart of all the possible outcomes, and a tie can only be achieved by is if Biden wins GA, and Trump wins all the others. And now that AZ has gone to Biden, a tie is no longer possible.
Much of Maine is a conservative in a lot of ways. The southeast coastal corner, where I live, is not. But the rest is rural and all that would usually imply in terms of politics. Collins campaign tended to repeat the thin lie that she is an independent moderate republican, and in this race she distanced herself from Trump and the national party. IMO that stuff is easy to see through–she is far more party line than she lets on–but I guess you see through it if you are inclined to make the effort to see through it.
November 5, 2020 at 12:42 pm #123886znModeratorSTOP THE FOOTBALL! pic.twitter.com/ngAMLc29VL
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) November 5, 2020
November 5, 2020 at 3:06 pm #123893joemadParticipantWe’ve seen a lot of hate spewed recently about a man who is a proven winner! Maybe we are just jealous of him & his hot foreign model wife? It’s possibly going to get worse over the next several days, but like him or not, Tom Brady is really turning things around in Tampa. 😂
— 𝒥𝒾𝓂 𝐸𝓋𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓉𝓉 (@Jim_Everett) November 5, 2020
November 5, 2020 at 4:45 pm #123897wvParticipantI can not take another day of this.
I feel like the Rams are playing the Vikings in the NFC Championship and we are in the 27th fucking Overtime period.
I…want….him…GONE…from my life…SOOOOO much.
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vNovember 5, 2020 at 5:03 pm #123899wvParticipantIf, god-willing, Biden wins, this Krystal thot, is what we will be subjected to for years, and years.
=============The Mesozoic era called. They want their dinosaurs back. https://t.co/cm3ExOZF1b
— Ros is MIA (@RosHariMIA) November 5, 2020
November 5, 2020 at 6:07 pm #123900CalParticipantI think it’s over. I’m going to sit back and enjoy watching the results from PA come in.
Biden has 495,000 votes in Philadelphia county right now.
In 2016, Hillary had 584,000 votes in that county. In 2012, Obama had 588,000 votes in that county.
And, yep, you guessed it. Obama had even more votes in 2008 when everyone was so excited.
Biden should approach 580,000 votes for that county and that should put the final nail in the coffin for Trump (until he protests and refuses to concede.)
November 5, 2020 at 6:23 pm #123903wvParticipantI think it’s over. I’m going to sit back and enjoy watching the results from PA come in.
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Obviously, you weren’t around when the Rams were leading the Vikings 17-7, in 1969….and then Joe Kapp started hurdling defenders and very very bad things happened in Minnesota.
And Minnesota and Pennsylvania both end in ‘a.’
You cant argue with my logic, Cal.
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vNovember 5, 2020 at 7:12 pm #123904waterfieldParticipantI’m so fucking stressed! Between losing some very close friends, worrying about Trump winning, arguing with my wife and dog, worried about how half the country can support Trump and they won’t go away no matter who wins, it is not a good time in the Waterfield household.
November 5, 2020 at 7:57 pm #123906znModeratorhttps://t.co/euTDqCvCaN pic.twitter.com/4J5YmPm4Bq
— Tommy (@RamTommyInLA) November 5, 2020
November 5, 2020 at 8:11 pm #123907wvParticipantI’m so fucking stressed! Between losing some very close friends, worrying about Trump winning, arguing with my wife and dog, worried about how half the country can support Trump and they won’t go away no matter who wins, it is not a good time in the Waterfield household.
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You call ‘that’ stress? I am on a ledge, with my head in an oven, with a noose around my neck.
Your boy has to do it, W.
I’m not even sure I can take 3 more months of Trump. Trump can do a lot in three months.
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vNovember 5, 2020 at 8:12 pm #123908wvParticipantMake Puerto Rico a State. Whether they like it or not.
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Telemundo wanted to set the record STRAIGHT ☝🏿 pic.twitter.com/dUWIlbqL3w
— Jessica Fyre💫✨ (@TheJessieWoo) November 5, 2020
November 5, 2020 at 9:13 pm #123909CalParticipantObviously, you weren’t around when the Rams were leading the Vikings 17-7, in 1969….and then Joe Kapp started hurdling defenders and very very bad things happened in Minnesota.
And Minnesota and Pennsylvania both end in ‘a.’
You cant argue with my logic, Cal.
We are doomed!
Arizona, Nevada, and Georgia also end with an ‘a’. Maybe Trump is THE chosen one!
November 5, 2020 at 11:33 pm #123913wvParticipantPeople with higher incomes voted for Trump. The notion that his supporters are mostly working-class is a myth. pic.twitter.com/L8rVRd6e5L
— Simon Hedlin (@simonhedlin) November 5, 2020
November 5, 2020 at 11:42 pm #123915wvParticipantBernie Sanders: "We need a federal minimum wage of at least $15/hr."
Joe Biden: "I beat the Socialist!"
Florida: *Votes for $15 statewide minimum wage, and *not* Joe Biden*
— Now Accepting All Who Want Change (@TravisMenard00) November 6, 2020
November 6, 2020 at 12:01 am #123916wvParticipantHow confused r Trump supporters gonna be when, 2 hrs after Trump concedes the election & Biden claims victory, 1000s of leftists r already out in the streets organizing against the Biden admin? These Trumpets can’t even fathom the nuance in our political strategies & ideologies.
— Dr. Sonia M. Rosen (@SoniaMRosen) November 6, 2020
November 6, 2020 at 12:13 am #123917wvParticipantKarens saving democracy is the plot twist 2020 deserves. https://t.co/QfmOtU5Fbb
— Matthew Doyle (@MattDoyle76) November 2, 2020
November 6, 2020 at 12:23 am #123919wvParticipantThis is the physical embodiment of how dumb praying is https://t.co/nrcnCajpBk
— Nurse Ratched (@veggie64_leslie) November 6, 2020
November 6, 2020 at 2:47 am #123922znModeratorJoey GhostBoar Weiser@joeyweiser
Complain about the pacing of this election if you want, but they gotta do it like this or else it will catch up to the mangaNovember 6, 2020 at 9:00 am #123927wvParticipant#RT @theintercept: In an election between two candidates committed to “law and order” and policing, Oregon’s ballot decision offered a glimmer of hope for significant criminal justice changes, writes @natashalennard. https://t.co/nSLphloTLX #election2020
— LA Progressive (@LAProgressive) November 6, 2020
November 6, 2020 at 9:01 am #123928Billy_TParticipantThe media rarely relay the facts about why this is taking so long. Some pundits have. But it needs to be universal.
GOP legislatures forced these states, including Penn, to wait until Election Day to start counting, even with all of those early votes. It’s on them, and now Trump is screaming fraud where none exists, except on HIS behalf.
None of this had to happen. And our two miserably incompetent, or malicious, or sadistic, parties, have to fix this shit.
November 6, 2020 at 9:30 am #123930znModeratorIt’s reported that Stacey Abrams worked relentlessly to register over 800,000 new voters across Georgia who were affected by voter suppression in time for the U.S elections.
That is some impact 👏🏾🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/wquNA4p4JQ
— The Women's Organisation (@TheWomensOrg) November 6, 2020
November 6, 2020 at 10:13 am #123933znModeratorPolitical media is falling back into the idea that more than 65 million Americans voting for Trump means that Democrats need to begin appealing to white voters again. How is that always the takeaway instead of encouraging the broadening of a coalition of marginalized voters?
— Evette Dionne (@freeblackgirl) November 6, 2020
November 6, 2020 at 10:58 am #123937wvParticipantJoe Biden takes the lead in Pennsylvania and West Philly is dancing in the streets…pic.twitter.com/y4IHGql7NH
— Rex Chapman🏇🏼 (@RexChapman) November 6, 2020
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