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  • #93372
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    from: http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-rams-saints-farmer-20181104-story.html

    Asked after the game if he was expecting Peters to be opposite Thomas on the long touchdown, Saints coach Sean Payton was unusually candid.

    “That was the plan,” he said. “They were going to travel Marcus to him, and that was fine by us. We thought we really liked that matchup — a lot.”

    Not much mystery in the NFL. Teams have identified our weakest link: Marcus Peters.

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    #93379
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    yeah pretty obvious that other teams are now targeting Peters. I guess if I am being honest if we had a pass rush worthy of multimillions the secondary wouldn’t need to be covering that great. I mean 42 points? That’s hard to take with 7 former 1st rounders getting torched . Maybe another players only meeting is in order but change is needed badly. I hate to even think it but maybe Wade is slowing down. He can still make adjustments but damn we’re a long way from the donut days and as the teams get tougher we need to stop with the conceding the first half strategy .

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    #93424
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    2015 Scouting report on Marcus…

    Lapses

    Peters did major damage to his draft stock when he was kicked out of the Washington Huskies program midway through the 2014 season. He also hasn’t interviewed well with NFL teams since then. Multiple teams have said they question whether Peters has actually learned and grown from the incident
    Read more at http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2015mpeters.php#JaGpzo4R8SV8ZBLY.99
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    2015 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Marcus Peters

    Strengths:
    Man-cover corner
    Prevents separation
    Excellent at running the route
    Can play press man
    Can play off man
    Quick feet
    Loose hips to turn and run
    Agile; maintains coverage in and out of breaks
    Instinctive
    Physicality; will battle receivers
    Ball skills
    Good hands for a cornerback
    Adept at playing the ball for breakups
    High-points the ball well
    Good length
    Can fight big receivers
    Can run with vertical receivers
    Quality tackler
    Great fit for zone scheme
    Recoverability

    Weaknesses:
    Can have lapses to give up a play or two
    Character issues
    Is he coachable?
    Doesn’t react well to some coaches
    Some question whether he learned from past issues

    Summary: If it weren’t for off-the-field issues, Peters could be the top cornerback in the 2015 NFL Draft. He has a first-round skill set with size, speed, length and ball skills. However, Peters did major damage to his draft stock when he was kicked out of the Washington Huskies program midway through the 2014 season. He also hasn’t interviewed well with NFL teams since then. Multiple teams have said they question whether Peters has actually learned and grown from the incident.

    In 2013, Peters recorded 55 tackles with five interceptions, one forced fumble and nine passes broken up. He had some clutch games against Stanford and Oregon State. Peters was a Second-Team All-Pac-12 performer.

    Despite his abbreviated 2014 season, Peters recorded 23 tackles, five passes broken up and three interceptions. He had an excellent game against Stanford with an interception and good coverage on Cardinal receiver Ty Montgomery. Versus Jaelen Strong and Arizona State, Peters put together a solid game. He was beaten by Strong on two receptions, including a touchdown, but had wins on Strong as well. Peters covered Strong better than any other defensive back last season. Then Peters was kicked off the team for repeated arguments with the new coaching staff, and it had reached the point that the team couldn’t tolerate his presence because it was setting a bad example for other players.

    Washington did allow Peters to continue to train at the school and participate in ita pro day. At the Combine and in team interviews, Peters didn’t impress or convince teams that his problems were a thing of the past.

    For the NFL, Peters is a man-cover corner who is capable of going one-on-one against good receivers and keeping them from big games. Peters will give up some plays here and there, but overall, he has been very good at limiting the effectiveness of No. 1 receivers. Peters has the speed, size and agility to run with them and prevent separation. Peters is quick to maintain coverage in and out of breaks with the agility to open up his hips and run downfield when the wideouts go vertical. He also shows a nice job of defending the back-shoulder sideline throws that are en vogue in the NFL.

    Peters is a dangerous cornerback to throw at with his ball skills. He is adept at snatching the pass and taking it the other way. In the NFL, it wouldn’t be surprising if he has some significant interception totals in some seasons.

    For Peters to stick in the NFL and be a success, he has to change his attitude to work with a variety of coaches. Peters could mesh well with one staff and then have issues with another. With the frequency of coaching staff changes, it is important for Peters to become coachable. It wouldn’t be surprising if he becomes a player who bounces around as teams get tired of his act while other teams feel they can work with him.

    In speaking with NFL teams, they are split on if Peters will go in the first round of the 2015 NFL Draft. They all agree that he has first-round talent and would be a first-round pick if it weren’t for his off-the-field issues. In surveying five teams, three thought Peters would not go in the first round, but two thought he would. In the 2015 NFL Draft, Peters could go as high as the middle of the first round and also could fall into the third round. The second round could be his safest estimate.

    Read more at http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2015mpeters.php#70uCWxgL2B3KtztS.99

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    #93434
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    aeneas1

    and there’s donald getting double-teamed as usual… no, wait, it’s brockers…. of course why double team donald when you can just hook him around the neck and take him to the ground without a flag, which is what happened on this play:

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    Psycho_X

    It seems like the secondary is very often communicating up to (and in the case of the blown coverage by Peters) and after the ball is snapped. I don’t know who’s fault that is but it seems like the defense is not getting set fast enough. And I’ve noticed that this entire season so far. Have mentioned it in the past.

    Peters was motioning to several people when the ball was snapped on the last touchdown. And now I’m starting to wonder if there isn’t a larger issue than Peters but just the secondary not being on the same page. Can’t excuse Peters for not being set in time that’s on him but you have to wonder.

    #93454
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    They talk about Peters.

    Agamemnon

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    #93461
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOyzXi60tcU

    hmmm… sounds like there was a miscommunication within the secondary…

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    edit. Invader posted the vid i just posted

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    #93471
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    What happened to Marcus Peters?

    BY BEN COOPER

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-what-happened-to-marcus-peters

    Nov 4, 2018; New Orleans, LA, USA; New Orleans Saints wide receiver Michael Thomas (13) hauls in a touchdown catch that went over the head of Los Angeles Rams cornerback Marcus Peters (22) in the fourth quarter at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome. Saints won, 45-35. Mandatory Credit: Chuck Cook-USA TODAY Sports

    Just a season ago, then-Kansas City Chiefs cornerback Marcus Peters was thriving. He graded as the 14th best corner in the regular season at 80.7 and stymied opposing quarterbacks who dared to throw at him — allowing a 66.0 passer rating (15th). He continued to rack up interceptions — it was his third straight year with five or more.

    But after being traded to the Los Angeles Rams this past offseason, Peters has struggled amid his team’s formidable defense (and offense). In the team’s first loss to the New Orleans Saints, Peters’ deficiencies were exacerbated.

    Aside from the Rams’ game against the San Francisco 49ers, where he wasn’t targeted all game, Peters has allowed a passer rating of 100.0 or more in six of eight games when he’s the primary defender in coverage. He only had five such instances last year, and the situation appears even more concerning: He has already allowed six touchdowns, two more than he gave up in 2017, and has only one interception to show for it.

    Peters was unable to control Saints wide receiver, Michael Thomas. After allowing six catches on eight targets to Thomas ranging anywhere from seven to 19 yards, Peters was beaten big when it mattered most late in the fourth quarter. Thomas simply ran past Peters in press coverage, and quarterback Drew Brees threw over Peters’ head into Thomas’ waiting arms for a 72-yard score that was the final dagger to the previously undefeated Rams.

    The Rams don’t have much to worry about at 8-1, but Peters’ uncharacteristic poor play could become a decisive factor come playoff time. He’s matched up against big-name receivers thus far: Thomas (90.7 grade), Davante Adams(82.5 grade) and Adam Thielen (90.8 grade).

    It’s a likely possibility that he’ll have to go another round against at least one of them when January rolls around. In the past two weeks, Peters has been targeted 20 times — tied for the most among cornerbacks in that span. Opposing quarterbacks have clearly taken notice his downfall.

    That raises the obvious question: What changed for Marcus Peters? Or rather, what changed around Marcus Peters? For one, the big-play receivers he’s followed this year are seeing more targets (and more accurate targets) than the ones he stuck with a year ago.

    For example, in 2017, Antonio Brown was targeted just three times in Peters’ coverage for a measly two receptions for 14 yards. Brown finished with eight catches for 155 yards and a touchdown in that game, so clearly, Peters was at his best. DeVante Parker was targeted seven times against Peters in 2017, but only four were deemed catchable, and just two were caught.

    This year, he’s seen nine targets (seven catchable) against Thomas, six (five catchable) against Adams and four (three catchable) against Thielen. In other words, NFC quarterbacks are testing Peters more than ever before with accurate throws, and he’s not coming away with interceptions, or success in general, at the rate he’s been used to.

    In his rookie year, Peters was targeted a league-high 137 times (and he was the most targeted cornerback from 2015-2017). Peters had nine picks that year despite allowing eight touchdowns, compared to just one interception this season.

    Also, he only allowed opposing signal-callers to complete 50.4% of those throws in his coverage. This season, that number has ballooned to 72.3%. As for why the discrepancy between that year and this year exists is hard to say. But it appears that Peters’ move to the NFC may have something to do with it.

    Through nine weeks, Peters has a 45.6 grade which ranks 106th of 111 cornerbacks, and his near-perfect passer rating allowed of 145.6 is 107th. He’s also already allowed more yards in coverage this year than in all of 2017. It’s been a staggering tumble from stardom for him — but it’s truly the best-case scenario as he attempts to make the climb back to glory.

    His team is considered a title contender and his offense and defensive line are playing lights out. Now, it’s a matter of whether Peters can get right in the next seven weeks before his team has to prove itself in a playoff run.

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