Globalization or Automation

“Using tougher trade policies with China and others to restore the nation’s manufacturing sector will bring home jobs, the theory goes.”

The article disputes the notion that whatever trade agreements we have with China is responsible for the loss of manufacturing jobs here.

The real and more serious question is what to do about automation as we go forward into the future. IMO we will have to accept a larger and larger number of people not working. And that shouldn’t be a negative in the sense that we now look at being “unemployed”. It is simply a product of a future which begs us to feel good about it and learn to live with the free time most will have. If this means government compensation or something else that allows us to be financially capable-who knows. But I suspect that is in the future for all of us.

Probably. One answer is to reduce the work day to four hrs without changing the pay or benefits. Nothing magical about eight. Logically you would double the workforce. In theory with more people working there is more money circulating and the corporations should be profiting as usual. That’s one man’s (me) solution.

wv wrote:

waterfield wrote:

Probably. One answer is to reduce the work day to four hrs without changing the pay or benefits. Nothing magical about eight. Logically you would double the workforce. In theory with more people working there is more money circulating and the corporations should be profiting as usual. That’s one man’s (me) solution.

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My solution would be to democratize the work-force. Top to bottom.
In other words eviscerate the hierarchical corporate structure.

Another man’s solution

…are you planning on going to see the Rams at the Coliseum, W? When’s the last time you were there?

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I’ve been invited to the KC preseason game which I think is next week. I can’t remember the last game I saw in the Coliseum. it all seems to blend together. Must have been in 79 since that was their last year there. I know I was living in Claremont at the time because we had a SB party following that season. I was at the last Anaheim game with my son and about 11 other people there. Crickets !

What the heck is a “democratized work-force”? You mean a boss couldn’t tell a worker: “you know Mr. Smith this is not a democracy here. You do have a choice in the matter. You can follow our rules or you can go to work some place else.”

wv wrote:

waterfield wrote:

I’ve been invited to the KC preseason game which I think is next week. ..

I was at the last Anaheim game with my son and about 11 other people there. Crickets !

What the heck is a “democratized work-force”? You mean a boss couldn’t tell a worker: “you know Mr. Smith this is not a democracy here. You do have a choice in the matter. You can follow our rules or you can go to work some place else.”

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It dont matter what it means, since it aint gonna happen….There’s more than one way to organize work. Corporate-capitalism is just one way. There’s others. blah blah

Last game at Anaheim, must have been the Washington game, in 94. December 24. Rams went 4-12.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Los_Angeles_Rams_season

25,705 in attendance.

Rams lost 24 to 21. Ellard had 81 yards.

What did you think of the move to St.Louis back then? What were your thoughts.

w
v

It was the Redskin game. Of the 25,000 plus there 24,000 were Redskin fans. That was the first game I saw Issac Bruce in person. He was not a starter that season. I recall vividly the last play of the Los Angeles Rams-I think. Chris Miller scrambling around and finally running out of bounds.

The move to St. Louis. Well initially I was devastated since I had worked on the Save the Rams Committee along with Steinberg, etc. But the attendance had really sucked and people were so down on the organization I eventually thought the move to any place would be good. And when I attended the first game I knew they had found a “home”. The streets were filled with all kinds of Ram signs and every restaurant we went into had lots of Ram stuff on the walls, etc. We went back a few times to the Edward Jones site and truly enjoyed St. Louis. A great city with lots of tremendous restaurants and on one trip the biggest blues festival I ever went to. So it was really fun to go to a game where by far most people there were rooting for the Rams Not so in Anaheim. Hopefully things will be different this time here.

wv wrote:

waterfield wrote:

wv wrote:

waterfield wrote:

I’ve been invited to the KC preseason game which I think is next week. ..

I was at the last Anaheim game with my son and about 11 other people there. Crickets !

What the heck is a “democratized work-force”? You mean a boss couldn’t tell a worker: “you know Mr. Smith this is not a democracy here. You do have a choice in the matter. You can follow our rules or you can go to work some place else.”

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It dont matter what it means, since it aint gonna happen….There’s more than one way to organize work. Corporate-capitalism is just one way. There’s others. blah blah

Last game at Anaheim, must have been the Washington game, in 94. December 24. Rams went 4-12.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Los_Angeles_Rams_season

25,705 in attendance.

Rams lost 24 to 21. Ellard had 81 yards.

What did you think of the move to St.Louis back then? What were your thoughts.

w
v

It was the Redskin game. Of the 25,000 plus there 24,000 were Redskin fans. That was the first game I saw Issac Bruce in person. He was not a starter that season. I recall vividly the last play of the Los Angeles Rams-I think. Chris Miller scrambling around and finally running out of bounds.

The move to St. Louis. Well initially I was devastated since I had worked on the Save the Rams Committee along with Steinberg, etc. But the attendance had really sucked and people were so down on the organization I eventually thought the move to any place would be good. And when I attended the first game I knew they had found a “home”. The streets were filled with all kinds of Ram signs and every restaurant we went into had lots of Ram stuff on the walls, etc. We went back a few times to the Edward Jones site and truly enjoyed St. Louis. A great city with lots of tremendous restaurants and on one trip the biggest blues festival I ever went to. So it was really fun to go to a game where by far most people there were rooting for the Rams Not so in Anaheim. Hopefully things will be different this time here.

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Well do you think Georgia intentionally sabotaged the team/roster
to pave the way for the move? Do you think thats an owners prerogative?

…they should show that last play of the Washington game
during pregame of the first game.

w
v

“Well do you think Georgia intentionally sabotaged the team/roster
to pave the way for the move? Do you think thats an owners prerogative?”

That was my thinking but more focused on Shaw suggesting same. There actually was a lawsuit filed under a fraud theory from a group of season ticket holders who alleged the team had represented it would be very competitive in the draft and acquisition of players, etc. It was thrown out of court. So who knows. I do think there is a certain trust in the community that an owner would violate by intentionally running a team down. Illegal-only in the sense that the NFL could take punitive measures against any of its members.