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April 21, 2016 at 12:02 pm #42362
AgamemnonParticipanthttp://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000653513/article/rams-topsecret-qb-tour-bred-blockbuster-trade-for-no-1-pick
Rams’ top-secret QB tour bred blockbuster trade for No. 1 pickBy Michael Silver
NFL Media columnist
Published: April 15, 2016 at 05:56 p.m.Jeff Fisher and Les Snead arrived in Berkeley on a cloudy February morning, and as soon as quarterback Jared Goff began his private workout at California Memorial Stadium — as if on cue — the rain came pouring down like the Andy Dufresne escape scene in “Shawshank Redemption.”
By the end of the former Cal star’s sublime throwing session, all had become clear for the two men deciding the immediate fate of the newly rechristened Los Angeles Rams. And it was that clarity of purpose which, two months later, would trigger the blockbuster trade that shook up the 2016 draft and brought some serious gridiron glitz to Tinseltown.
Having flown to Northern California straight from Fargo, North Dakota — where they’d watched the 2016 draft’s other top quarterbacking prospect, ex-North Dakota State passer Carson Wentz, perform impressively in a similar session — Fisher, the Rams’ veteran head coach, and Snead, the team’s fifth-year general manager, were completing the second and final stop of their under-the-radar, Find a Franchise Quarterback Tour.
They weren’t prepared for the inclement weather, but they weren’t complaining, either. After all, one of the few raps against Goff was his perceived inability to throw a wet ball, a stigma that began early in his freshman season in 2013, when he performed so miserably on a rainy afternoon at Oregon that he was pulled from the game in the first quarter.
Even as Fisher vainly attempted to shield the footballs under his light jacket before handing them to Goff, he understood the beauty of the moment: If throwing a slippery ball were still a legitimate weakness, Goff would surely be exposed.
Instead, as if channeling the artistry of dreadlocked Cal alum Adam Duritz, Goff summoned a performance so tremendous, he might as well have crooned, “I am the Rain King!”
Goff, according to one witness, flat out “ripped it” while throwing to former Cal teammates Trevor Davis and Maurice Harris. “The ball never hit the ground,” said another person who attended the session.
“It was a great opportunity to see him throw a wet ball,” Fisher recalled Thursday morning, a couple of hours after the announcement of a pricey trade with the Tennessee Titans that put the Rams on the clock with the No. 1 overall pick. “We were just going through the process, and he made all the throws, and he was outstanding.”
Whether the Rams use the No. 1 overall selection on Goff, as I believe they will, or call Wentz to the podium in Chicago on April 28, Fisher and Snead already have made one thing obvious: After methodically building a talented defense, a process fueled by the bounty they acquired in their own blockbuster pre-draft trade four years ago, and last year bolstering the running game by selecting star halfback Todd Gurley and a slew of offensive linemen, the Rams can no longer get by with mediocrity at the game’s pivotal position.
Speaking of which: With records of 7-8-1, 7-9, 6-10 and 7-9 during their four years in St. Louis, the newly relocated coach and GM understand that they’ll have to step up it up to stay employed in Southern California beyond this season.
So Fisher and Snead, in a strategy they employed as far back as their first season in St. Louis, hit the road and got an up-close-and-personal view of what was out there. And when they loved what they saw in Fargo and Berkeley, they set their sights on the top of the draft.
With the 15th overall selection, Fisher and Snead knew it wouldn’t be easy. Not since 1984 had a team (the Patriots, who came up from 16th to land receiver Irving Fryar) moved up so far to land the first pick. But the Rams had an important chip: an extra second-round pick in 2016, obtained in last year’s trade with the Eagles that sent oft-injured incumbent quarterback Sam Bradford to Philly for Nick Foles. And while Foles’ stint as the Rams’ starting quarterback had been short and inglorious — ultimately, he was supplanted by Case Keenum, who technically still resides atop the L.A. depth chart — that extra second-rounder turned out to be a godsend.
As fate would have it, the Rams’ ownership of that pick — and the Eagles’ lack thereof — may have allowed L.A. to outjockey the Eagles for the Titans’ top pick. The Eagles, according to sources, have a high degree of interest in both quarterbacks, particularly Goff, and were also engaged in talks to trade up in the draft.
Meanwhile the Browns, who hold the No. 2 overall selection, may lose out on the quarterback they covet most — and, in response, might try to trade down to a team interested in acquiring the passer the Rams pass over.
Again, this intriguing scenario is layered with the seeds of past developments: Last March, before trading Bradford to the Eagles, the Rams — according to a high-ranking team source — believed they had a deal in place to send him to Cleveland for a first-round pick, but the Browns backed out the following morning.
Throw in the fact that Fisher closed the deal for the first overall pick with the franchise that employed him as head coach for 17 seasons, and there have been a whole lot of dramatic arcs to this story. And make no mistake: He and Snead are intent on milking the drama for all its worth between now and draft night, with organizational sources sending out conflicting reports of which quarterback the Rams prefer to numerous reporters, a process likely to continue right up until the moment when the Rams are officially on the clock.
Regardless of the noise, Fisher and Snead will get their man — and their immediate futures will likely depend on the young quarterback’s aptitude. For what it’s worth, their bosses (Rams owner Stan Kroenke and COO Kevin Demoff) were absolutely on board with the trade. As one high-ranking Rams official put it in an internal conversation, “We can go with Case Keenum and [second-year backup] Sean Mannion, and if everything breaks right, we can probably be a wild-card team. But we’re not chasing wild cards. We want to go after championships.”
To get to that level, a young man will have to guide them — and something Fisher and Snead saw in Fargo and/or Berkeley two months ago convinced them that there’s at least one quarterback in this draft who can transform their team in a hurry.
“We’re not looking over our shoulders here,” Fisher told me Thursday. “We’re planning for the future, and we’re building this team, and this is the next step. Last year we drafted Todd Gurley, and we drafted [four] offensive linemen. This year, we know what we want, and we’re going after it.”
Rain or shine.
Follow Michael Silver on Twitter @MikeSilver.
April 21, 2016 at 12:14 pm #42364
AgamemnonParticipant‘Scout vs. Scout’: Should the Rams take Goff or Wentz?
NFL Media’s Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks go head-to-head and debate who the Los Angeles Rams should select with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft.April 21, 2016 at 12:39 pm #42365
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znModeratorFive Takeaways: Jared Goff’s Visit with the Rams
Myles Simmons
Now that the Rams have the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, it’s no secret that they’ll likely select one of two quarterbacks — Carson Wentz of North Dakota State or Jared Goff of Cal. Los Angeles hosted both players at the Oxnard, Calif. facility this week in order to get one more up-close-and-personal look at the two signal-callers.
Goff was the second to visit and our Dani Klupenger caught up with him for an interview. Here are five takeaways from their conversation.
1) Goff is a confident man
People often talk about quarterbacks needing a certain amount of swagger in order to be successful in the NFL. After observing his interview, it appears Goff has every bit of what he’ll need in that department.
“I’m just very confident in myself. I turned around Cal football — had a lot of help doing it, but I had a big role in it,” Goff said. “I know it’s a completely different level and a lot of different stuff going on, but I’m just very confident in myself and my abilities.”
Goff’s confidence doesn’t come off as cockiness, as he’s quick to point out it’s his commitment to improvement that creates results.
“I think I can be very successful if I put my mind to it — really work hard and prepare the right way,” he said.
Though Cal has produced some strong quarterbacks — the Packers’ Aaron Rodgers one of them — the program is not necessarily thought of as a football powerhouse. Goff is right when he says he played a significant role in the team’s re-emergence, particularly in 2015. The quarterback threw for 4,714 yards, 43 touchdowns, and 13 interceptions in his junior year, leading the Golden Bears to an 8-5 record and a victory in the Armed Forces Bowl in December.
Considering where the program had been just two years before, it is a remarkable turnaround.
2) Learning from freshman year
Where were the Golden Bears in 2013? Cal finished 1-11 in its first year under head coach Sonny Dykes, which was also Goff’s true freshman year. Despite being a fresh-faced 18 year old at the beginning of the season, Goff started all 12 games and set multiple program records.
But coming away victorious in only one game that year was not enjoyable for the California native.
“I went through a rough freshman year,” Goff said. “I don’t expect to ever go through a year like that again, hopefully.”
However, the 1-11 season provided invaluable experience the quarterback plans to use as he acclimates to being a pro.
“I learned a lot from it,” Goff said. “I know a lot of stuff that I went through that year is a lot of stuff I wish I could get back. So you learn stuff through different experiences, and that experience is irreplaceable. It’s something that — as a football player, as a quarterback, as a leader, as a young player — that I can use in the future.”
3) Getting comfortable under center
One of the questions surrounding Goff as he transitions is how he’ll adjust to taking snaps under center. Per nfl.com, Goff spent 99.8 percent of the time either in the shotgun or pistol formation in his junior year at Cal.
The quarterback said at the Combine in February he’d been working extensively on that, and now he’s become much more adept at the standard procedure.
“That’s really all I’ve been doing, is getting comfortable taking snaps under center,” Goff said. “It really didn’t take that long to get comfortable with, and [I’m] just continuing to work on it, get better at it.”
NFL teams vary in how much they use the shotgun, but taking snaps under center is still one of the essential requirements of being a pro quarterback.
4) Not an Aaron Rodgers clone
The Packers’ quarterback is arguably the best signal-caller to ever come out of Cal, but that doesn’t mean Goff wants to be a younger version of him.
“I like stuff he does — I like a lot of the stuff he does. He’s one of my favorites,” Goff said of Rodgers. “There’s a lot of stuff I try to emulate of his. I like him, I like Drew Brees, I like Peyton Manning, I like Tom Brady — most of the same guys that everyone says. I like Tony Romo. I like the stuff that they do. It’s all good stuff.”
But like most incoming rookies, particularly at the quarterback position, Goff is looking forward to carving out his own space in the league.
“I try to be myself, I try to be my own player,” Goff said. “Hopefully, someone will model their game after me. I just try to do my own thing.”
As for comparisons others have made, quite a few analysts have likened Goff to Falcons QB Matt Ryan.
5) Leaving a lasting impression
This harkens back to the first takeaway, but Goff’s confidence along with his strong work ethic are two of the characteristic he wanted to make sure came across in his time with Los Angeles this week.
He said he wanted the Rams’ brass to feel, “if they select me, they’re making the right decision. They’re making the best decision they’ve made.
“I can be the franchise quarterback,” Goff continued. “I can be a guy who’s the face of the franchise, a guy who can lead them to where they want to be — go to the playoffs, and to Super Bowls, and be very successful. I truly believe that about myself and that I can bring that to a team.”
And as any young player would, Goff said he’s hoping to hear his name called first in Chicago.
“I’m really excited for it,” Goff said. “If that’s the case, I’m ready to get to work and make them be proud of the decision they made, and know they made the right decision.”
We’ll all see how it works out with the No. 1 selection in a matter of days on April 28.
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Five Takeaways: Carson Wentz’s Visit with the Rams
Myles Simmons
Now that the Rams have the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, it’s no secret that they’ll likely select one of two quarterbacks — Carson Wentz of North Dakota State or Jared Goff of Cal. This week, Los Angeles hosted both players at the Oxnard, Calif. facility in order to get one more up-close-and-personal look at the two signal-callers.
Wentz was the first to visit and our Dani Klupenger caught up with him for an interview. Here are five takeaways from their conversation.
1) Wentz classifies himself as someone willing to do whatever it takes
For the Rams to have traded up from No. 15 to No. 1, they clearly knew plenty about the two QBs expected to be taken at the top of the draft. But Wentz wanted to make sure the Rams knew when he left this last visit that he is an ultra-competitive winner.
“I think a lot of people know that about me. But I just really strive to be the best in whatever I’m doing,” Wentz said. “And the track record of winning speaks for itself. But I think winning can fix a lot of things in this league. And I want everyone to know I’m a winner and I’m going to do what it takes to win.”
There’s hard evidence to back up those claims. NDSU amassed a 20-3 record with Wentz as its starting quarterback, winning its fourth and fifth consecutive FCS National Championships in 2014 and 2015. Though Wentz missed eight games as a senior due to a broken wrist, he came back for the National Championship game and led the Bison to a 37-10 victory over Jacksonville State. That he worked so hard to come back and play in that game says plenty about his competitive nature.
2) How he’ll make the FCS-to-NFL transition
One of the main criticisms levied against Wentz is the large jump from FCS to the NFL. The quarterback acknowledged the speed of the game will be one of the most significant changes — as it is for all rookies in their first pro season.
“I think no matter where you come from, you’ve got to make an adjustment — the speed of play, it’s obvious. It’s fast,” Wentz said. “And I think you’ve got to go put on the tape and see what I’ve done against the competition I’ve faced. And I’ve always believed I play at a fast pace, play at a high level.”
Wentz, however, will not be the first quarterback in recent years to try to make this transition as a first-round pick. Baltimore quarterback Joe Flacco finished his college career at Delaware before the Ravens picked him at No. 18 overall in 2008. That year, Flacco helped lead the Ravens to a 11-5 record and two playoff wins.
The NDSU product is confident he can follow that mold.
“I believe if anyone wants to doubt that I can make the transition, I’m just super excited to prove them wrong,” Wentz said.
3) Knows how to make pre-snap adjustments
One of the factors that could help Wentz early in his pro career is just how much control he had at the line of scrimmage. The quarterback described his pre-snap responsibilities as extensive, which makes the NFL systems he’s been exposed to seem decently familiar.
“Ever since the Senior Bowl week, and talking with other coaches throughout this process — it’s all similar,” Wentz said. “They’re going to call it something different, you’re going to have different adjustments to things, but, for the most part, it’s all similar stuff. And I was in charge of a lot at the line of scrimmage with changing plays, getting us into different plays, kills, changing entire plays from run to pass, pass to run — you name it. I was big into understanding the details of it.”
With those similar concepts and his deep knowledge of them, Wentz may be able to get acclimated to the professional level that much faster.
4) Admires many quarterbacks, but wants to create his own lane
No matter who you are, if you’re an incoming rookie, you’ll get asked what NFL players you look up to and who you’d like to emulate in the league. Wentz’s answer for this largely centered on the fact that he’d like to be his own man — someone who can take the best qualities of those quarterbacks he admires from around the NFL.
“Tom Brady — for one, he’s a winner, but two just the way he dissects people and gets the ball out so quick,” Wentz said. “Peyton Manning also comes to mind — just the way he prepared. Whether he did or not, it looked like he knew what you were doing before you did it. And he was just always analyzing things and was probably the most prepared guy — potentially — in the history of the game
“Cam Newton, also, the way he makes plays and has fun out there. He enjoys the game. The thing is, it’s still a game, have fun with it,” Wentz continued. “And then Aaron Rodgers — the way he just commands the play, makes some unbelievable plays on the field. So there’s pieces of all of their games
Those are undoubtedly four quality quarterbacks.
“Again, I want to be my own player,” Wentz said, “but, obviously, those would be some good attributes to have.”
When it comes to comparisons others have made, Wentz has been likened to big-bodied QBs such as Ben Rotehlisberger and Blake Bortles.
5) He’s not fazed by possibility of playing in L.A.
Wentz is a North Dakota kid through and through. He grew up there, played his college ’ball there — there’s no disputing it. But that doesn’t mean he’s rattled by the prospect of coming to the nation’s second-largest market.
“My big thing is not making anything bigger than it has to be. It’s still just football,” Wentz said. “Personally, I think I’m kind of excited for it. I’ve got to wear sunscreen probably every day of the year instead of just a couple months — but other than that, it’s beautiful down here. And I’d be excited for it.”
Plus, being selected at No. 1 overall would have benefits in and of itself.
“It would be kind of a dream come true, honestly,” Wentz said. “It’s something where you go to college and you don’t necessarily think, ‘That’s my goal.’ But you’re striving for it, you’re working for it. And to be the top guy would be really special to me.”
We’ll all see how it works out with the No. 1 selection in a matter of days on April 28.
April 21, 2016 at 10:56 pm #42375
znModeratorAfter Sam Bradford for Nick Foles fails, Rams and Eagles chase quarterbacks in draft
Nick Wagoner
To hear Los Angeles Rams coach Jeff Fisher and general manager Les Snead tell it, had it not been for the second-round pick the Rams acquired from the Philadelphia Eagles in the teams’ 2015 swap of quarterbacks, the Rams never would have been able to trade from No. 15 to No. 1 in this year’s draft.
“I think that was really the only reason we were able to do that was because we had the multiple 2s,” Fisher said.
As it turned out, not only was that pick — No. 43 overall — the difference between the Rams being able to make the trade with Tennessee but the thing that likely kept the Eagles themselves from making the move to No. 1.
Less than a week after the Rams and Titans consummated one of the biggest trades in NFL history, the Eagles followed suit Wednesday, surrendering a large package of draft picks to move from No. 8 to No. 2 in a deal with the Cleveland Browns. That trade was the second move up the board for Philadelphia, which earlier moved from No. 13 to No. 8 in a trade with the Miami Dolphins. It’s only the fourth time that the top two picks in a given draft have been traded.
From all indications, the Rams and Eagles made their respective moves with one obvious goal in mind: to land a franchise quarterback. Of course, there’s some irony to be found in the fact that it’s those two teams now sitting atop the draft board.
After all, it was just 408 days ago that they attempted to solve their respective quarterback woes by swapping veteran signal-callers. In addition to the second-round pick the Rams got from Philadelphia, they also received Nick Foles while the Eagles got Sam Bradford. In the time since, the teams posted identical 7-9 records and gave questionable contract extensions to Foles and Bradford, with the Rams making that move before Foles had ever played a snap for them.
Bradford and Foles went on to finish 31st and 33th, respectively, among qualified quarterbacks in QBR. The Rams benched Foles in favor of Case Keenum midway through the season.
So here the Rams and Eagles are again, finding new trade partners but with the same goal. It’s the latest example of just how difficult it is to find the right quarterback to lead a franchise.
“There’s not enough of them on the planet to feed 32 NFL teams,” Snead said, “so that’s the challenge.”
The going rate for average quarterback performances only serves to illustrate Snead’s point. What the Rams and Eagles surrendered to have a chance to draft Cal’s Jared Goff and North Dakota State’s Carson Wentz is just the latest example of the exorbitant price that a top quarterback prospect, even one who hasn’t played in the NFL, can command.
Including the deal Philadelphia made with Miami, the Rams and Eagles combined to trade away pick Nos. 8, 13 and 15, two second-round choices, two third-round picks and a fourth-round pick in this year’s draft, two first-round picks and a third-round pick in 2017, a second-round pick in 2018, linebacker Kiko Alonso and cornerback Byron Maxwell in order to land the top two picks in 2016 as well as fourth- and sixth-round picks for the Rams this year and a 2017 fourth-round pick for the Eagles.
So yes, the cost is high, but given the dearth of quality quarterbacks, it can be understood.
“I am not a huge fan of [these trades] pretty much no matter the circumstance,” ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay said. “If you look historically, it does not often work out really well for teams that have packaged these picks and moved up. Now, this situation is a little bit different especially considering that Les Snead and Jeff Fisher realize they are in a major win-now mode, and they built up this team by getting a bunch of picks and getting really good on defense. And they got their running back last year and all the parts, but they have just never have been able to get over the hump, and the vast majority of the reason has been because of the quarterback position.
“So I understand the move. They would have to be crazy not to be thinking to themselves, ‘What do we care about all these draft picks if we are not going to be here because we haven’t been able to win?’ So that’s kind of the thing. I understand it. I just don’t think it’s good business if you really study it.”
While the Rams-Eagles trade of 2015 came with relatively little risk, this year’s pre-draft deals are the kind that can get football decision-makers fired if they don’t work. Neither Goff nor Wentz comes with a pick-back guarantee. As McShay points out, history hasn’t been kind to teams mortgaging the future for a quarterback. Perhaps Goff and/or Wentz will change that perception.
The Eagles and Rams are betting big that this year’s big gambles pay far more handsomely than the small wager they made in 2015.
April 22, 2016 at 11:09 am #42389
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This link is a podcast. It is an extended view of Wentz and Goff.
It goes with zn’s post below.
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April 22, 2016 at 11:13 am #42390
znModeratorGreg Cosell’s Draft Preview: Carson Wentz fitz Rams best
Greg Cosell
The Los Angeles Rams have an offensive identity, and I think Carson Wentz fits that identity better than Jared Goff.
As I discussed in our episode of our new “The Shutdown” podcast, which you can listen to below (we also discussed many of the draft’s top quarterbacks in our first draft preview podcast), the Rams have a run-oriented offense. They have a foundation back in Todd Gurley, and he will be the focal point of what they do.
When you have a run-first offense with an I-back like Gurley, your quarterback is usually going to line up in normal down-and-distance situations under center. He has to develop a drop-back pass game from under center and also a play-action pass game from under center. The play-action pass game requires a quarterback to turn his back to the defense, snap his head around and locate the defense – which will be in a different place from where it was before he turned his back. That’s a skill learned over time. That’s not something you learn in three practices. It’s also something Wentz has done. It’s something Goff has likely never done during his career, because he’s an “Air Raid” quarterback who played from the shotgun.
It’s possible Goff could learn to do it. But there’s more layers of learning for Goff in this style of offense. Now, if the Rams believe Goff will clearly be the better player three years from now, then they should draft him and teach him. But you have to understand if you do that, it’ll take Goff longer to master the kind of offense you want to run.
I have Wentz as my No. 1 quarterback in this class, and to me he’s clearly ahead of Goff (you can see my full profile on Wentz here, and my full profile on Goff here). When you add in the fact that I believe Wentz is a better fit for the Rams and what they want to do on offense, I think Wentz is the better choice at No. 1. Also, for reasons we discuss in the podcast, I think Goff fits in well with the Philadelphia Eagles’ offense, if he were to end up being the second pick.
April 22, 2016 at 11:38 am #42397
AgamemnonParticipantGreg Cosell’s draft preview: Carson Wentz’s valid Andrew Luck comp
By Greg Cosell
March 28, 2016 11:26 AM
Shutdown CornerLeading up to the NFL draft on April 28-30, NFL Films’ Greg Cosell will be sharing his views on many of the top prospects based on his extensive film study of those players.
Andrew Luck was considered a rare prospect, and as such, people are hesitant to compare other high-level prospects to Luck.
I believe Carson Wentz is a high-level prospect, my top quarterback in this draft class, and I think the comparison to Luck is valid.
What happens down the road in any prospect’s career is pure speculation, and how Wentz does in the NFL is a product of many variables. So I don’t know how Wentz’s NFL career will compare to what Luck has done or will continue to do. But I see many similarities between the two quarterbacks.
Like Luck, Wentz is smart. He was a 4.0 student at North Dakota State. Physically, the two are similar, and we’ll get to that in a bit. One thing that stood out to me about Wentz is his poise in critical moments. That reminds me of Luck as well.
Wentz, with his team trailing 28-24 against Northern Iowa last season, led a late drive and threw a game-winning touchdown in the final minute. He converted a couple key fourth downs and showed outstanding poise and composure. It was an excellent combination of patience and aggressiveness. (Move ahead to 11:24 of the video below to watch him lead the game-winning drive.)
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Physically there’s a lot to like about Wentz too, and there are more reminders of Luck. Wentz is a very good athlete for a 6-foot-5, 237-pound quarterback (Wentz is actually a smoother-looking athlete than Luck because his body type is different: he is longer and leaner than Luck despite weighing 237 pounds). He has an awareness of how to play the position, like Luck. He has the ability to drive the ball when the throw demands it, as Luck does.
Wentz has very good arm strength. He is a tight, compact, easy thrower for a big quarterback. The ball comes out with velocity. Wentz can clearly drive the ball, which is a result of a strong core and lower body.
Wentz isn’t just a fastball thrower. He has showed the refinement to throw with touch and pace when demanded. He can make firm, touch seam throws that are part of NFL passing games. He showed an excellent feel for the different kinds of throws that are necessary for the situation.
There were other things I liked about Wentz when I watched the film: He had an excellent command of the offense, controlling the game at the line of scrimmage when needed with a lot of audibles and checks. He excelled in a structured passing game that asked him to make progression reads and difficult NFL-type throws. All of that will help in his transition to the pro game.
He also is a good runner. There were times when the NDSU offense looked like the Carolina Panthers offense with its multiple backfield actions and run game dimensions. Here’s a quarterback run behind the fullback that went for a touchdown:
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If a team decides to use Wentz as a regular part of their running game, as the Panthers do with Cam Newton, he has the ability to excel in that role.
Wentz has many skills you like to see, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll be an NFL success. Going back to the Luck example, even though the assumption was that Luck’s decision making wouldn’t be a problem in the NFL because of his high-level intelligence, he hasn’t been a consistently good decision maker in the pros — that’s a part of Luck’s game he must continue to work on. So it’s always tough to project any prospect, no matter the position. There’s a lot of variables involved in becoming a high-level NFL player, especially at quarterback.
I can only tell you what I’ve seen on tape from the prospects going into the draft. And what I’ve seen from Wentz is pretty good. He’s my No. 1 quarterback in this draft.
April 22, 2016 at 11:43 am #42398
AgamemnonParticipantGreg Cosell’s draft preview: Jared Goff’s strengths and flaws
By Greg Cosell
March 30, 2016 2:10 PM
Shutdown CornerI see a lot of good traits in Cal quarterback Jared Goff. His size, throwing ability and pocket attributes are all first-round pick worthy.
I think Goff is a more natural and better overall thrower than Marcus Mariota. Overall I think he’s a better prospect than Mariota or Jameis Winston, who went with the first two picks of last year’s draft. But a few questions remain, and they need to be looked at hard by NFL teams.
The two biggest issues I have with Goff are questions about his ability to deal with the adversity of the game and dealing with pass rush pressure.
When I look at the Utah game, it’s not a good piece of tape for Goff. He threw five interceptions, but it’s more than just the number of interceptions. It was more worrisome how his tendency to play fast and hurried showed in that game and led to the turnovers. He didn’t react well in this game.
This hurried throw in the face of the pass rush when he had nobody open is a good example of how his poise and composure must be evaluated carefully:
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Goff’s feet at times can be a little jumpy and frenetic. That’s not a good thing, and you wonder how that will play out against the better and faster pass rushers in the NFL.
Despite that, Goff clearly has traits you look for in an NFL quarterback: light feet, good balance, pocket awareness and movement, compact delivery, natural accuracy. A third-and-5 throw against Washington is a good example of what Goff does well, moving well in the pocket, then delivering a strong, accurate throw for a 20-yard gain (it’s at 7:42 of this video).
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One thing that consistently stood out about Goff was his natural ability to make the right kind of throw when needed. He threw with touch when needed and velocity when needed. Goff is an easy, natural thrower – his arm strength would be comparable to Matt Ryan. He is an aggressive thrower, willing to turn it loose at the intermediate levels and with the ability to throw with pace and touch when the situation calls for it. He has the look of a natural pocket quarterback at times.
Here’s a throw where Goff showed excellent trajectory, touch and ball placement on a fade route that went for a 35-yard touchdown (it’s the first play on the Utah video above).
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That’s a really good throw.
There’s a lot that goes into playing quarterback in the NFL, but I saw some things that lead me to believe Goff can handle the subtle nuances of the position.
One thing he does is move his feet with his eyes always looking downfield, which is a refined attribute. Even though Cal’s offense is a shotgun spread offense in the mold of Hal Mumme and Mike Leach, it uses NFL route concepts with vertical and intermediate throws. Goff didn’t play in a dink-and-dunk offense. He has good functional movement in the pocket and is willing to turn it loose, which I like to see.
There are a lot of things to like about Goff. There are a few concerns, which really showed up in the Utah game, that NFL teams will have to look hard at. I think Carson Wentz is a better NFL prospect than Goff, and Wentz is my top quarterback in this draft, but Goff has a lot to offer as well.
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