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July 30, 2015 at 3:02 pm #27769
znModeratorNick Foles’ price could rise with strong season
Nick Wagoner, ESPN Staff Writer
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/19833/nick-foles-price-could-rise-with-strong-season
EARTH CITY, Mo. — Earlier this week, ESPN senior NFL writer John Clayton took a look around the league at a handful of quarterbacks who are due for contract extensions soon.
It’s a list that includes plenty of big names, including Seattle’s Russell Wilson, San Diego’s Philip Rivers and the Giants’ Eli Manning, among others. Also making an appearance on the list is the St. Louis Rams’ Nick Foles.
Foles is in the last year of his rookie deal. The Rams have already made it clear that they’d like to sign Foles to an extension, even before he plays in a game for the team. For his part, Foles has said he’s open to getting something done and doesn’t have plans to “bet on” himself by playing out the season in hopes of driving up his price tag.
But just because there’s mutual interest doesn’t mean a deal will get done before the season. And it’s fair to assume that part of the reason the Rams would like to do a deal now is that he could be something of a bargain before the year.
So if Foles does play out the season, Clayton points out that his number could rise because he’s being put in a position to succeed. The Rams are unlikely to ask Foles to carry the offense and his primary focus will be on limiting turnovers and taking advantage of opportunities in the play action passing game.
Of course, a poor or injury-plagued season from Foles could also drop his price or even potentially cause the Rams to re-think whether he’s the answer long term.
I.C.Y.M.I.
A roundup of Wednesday’s Rams stories appearing on ESPN.com. … We opened the day with the news that the Rams will see Pittsburgh running back Le’Veon Bell in Week 3 after his suspension was reduced to two games. … The burning Rams questions series continued with a look at when running back Todd Gurley might return, whether the defense can meet enormous expectations and whether the team can finally get off to a fast start. … In this week’s video, I discussed the importance of Gurley starting training camp on the active roster.
Elsewhere:
Over at Grantland, Bill Barnwell offers his annual all bad contracts team.
From the overall great news department: Kansas City safety Eric Berry is back.
Chargers reporter Eric Williams provides a good look at the other running back taken in the top 15, Melvin Gordon and a few other key Chargers storylines.
At 101sports.com, Randy Karraker examines some reasons St. Louis should support a possible MLS team and how it could relate to the NFL staying.
At stltoday.com, Jim Thomas writes that Gurley impressed the Rams in his conditioning test.
July 30, 2015 at 3:08 pm #27770
znModeratorEarlier this week, ESPN senior NFL writer John Clayton took a look around the league at a handful of quarterbacks who are due for contract extensions soon.
It’s a list that includes plenty of big names, including Seattle’s Russell Wilson, San Diego’s Philip Rivers and the Giants’ Eli Manning, among others. Also making an appearance on the list is the St. Louis Rams’ Nick Foles.
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The next big QB contract debates
John Clayton, NFL senior writer
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13327965/how-pending-quarterback-negotiations-unfold-nfl
On April 26, 2013, Aaron Rodgers signed a five-year, $110 million contract that made him the highest-paid player in the league. At the time, the salary cap was at $123 million.
Since then, the cap has risen $20.28 million to $143.28 million and no one has topped that deal. Revenues in the league are increasing at a $1 billion-a-year rate. The cap is increasing $10 million a year. So how can the cap can go up 16.4 percent without anyone topping the $22 million-a-year mark?
At least eight top quarterbacks have signed deals since Rodgers agreed to one with the Green Bay Packers. But with Rodgers being considered the best or one of the best quarterbacks in the league, no one has had enough leverage to top him.
The market is changing enough that the Rodgers’ contract eventually will be topped. There is an outside chance Russell Wilson could get a deal this week that tops Rodgers’. Wilson is hoping for $25 million a year. Unfortunately for him and others, that market won’t open until next year, as I wrote yesterday in analyzing his situation.
Beyond Wilson, who is next? Well, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers and Andrew Luck have the chance to top Rodgers, but there are obstacles. This starts the debate. Is it better to sign now, when teams have the leverage to keep their quarterbacks under the $22 million level, or is it better to wait until next year?
Here’s a breakdown.
Eli Manning, New York Giants
The Giants are trying to reach a contract extension with Manning (34) before the start of the regular season. Manning doesn’t have a worry in the world. Pay him now or pay him later. Manning is in position to win either way. If he signs now, he would have to take something close to the four-year, $87.4 million contract signed by the Pittsburgh Steelers’ Ben Roethlisberger.
Although it’s possible the Giants might offer a little more than that to reach an agreement, it’s hard to imagine Manning getting too much more than $22 million a year if he signed this year. Roethlisberger and Manning entered the league at the same time in 2004. Each has two Super Bowl rings. Their résumés and accomplishments are pretty close.
If he waits until next year, Manning could take the quarterback market into the $24 million-a-year range. The team isn’t going to let Manning hit free agency, so it will give him the franchise tag if necessary. With a $19.75 million cap number this year, Manning’s non-exclusive 2016 franchise number would be $23.7 million. If they have to franchise him in 2017, his number would be $28.44 million.
Blending those numbers gives him the leverage to ask for $25 million a year on a long-term deal, knowing the worst-case scenario is averaging $26.07 million for the next two seasons. With a $17.5 million salary this year, Manning doesn’t have to rush into anything.
Philip Rivers, San Diego Chargers
The debate for Rivers (33) is about location more than money. With a big family, Rivers may not want to move to Los Angeles if the Chargers bolt San Diego. Of course, such a position could give him some leverage. In many ways, it probably benefits Rivers to wait until next year. He’s going to make $15.75 million this year and could likely get $23 million or more per year on a long-term deal if he’s willing to stay in a Chargers uniform. His cap number would be $20.9 million in 2016 and $25.08 million in 2017 as a non-exclusive franchise player. Those numbers would increase if Manning gets more than that after the season.
If you’re the Chargers, though, you can’t risk having Rivers available as a non-exclusive franchise player. Some team might be willing to gamble two first-round picks to acquire him if the Chargers elect not to match a signed tender. That puts the Chargers in the position to give him the exclusive franchise tag so no other team can make him an offer. Currently, the exclusive tag is valued at $25 million, but the number will come down if Drew Brees, Roethlisberger and Joe Flacco reduce their cap numbers next year to free up room for their teams.
Andrew Luck, Indianapolis Colts
He plays in a retractable dome, but the sky is the limit for what Luck can make. With 33 regular-season wins and two division titles behind him, the 25-year-old Luck should be able to negotiate a deal worth at least $24 million a year.
The Colts have elected to let him play out this season at $3.4 million, the final year of his rookie contract. He’s on the books for a $16.155 million salary for next year after the Colts exercise the fifth-year option in his first-round contract. Like Peyton Manning was before him, Luck is the face, arm, heart and soul of the franchise. The Colts are extremely lucky to have him and know they have to pay him.
Sam Bradford, Philadelphia Eagles
Timing was everything for Bradford. As the first pick in the 2010 draft, Bradford was the financial benefactor of the old collective bargaining agreement that rewarded prospects who hadn’t been on the field better than most of the veterans around the NFL. He received a six-year, $78 million contract before he played a down of pro football. Injuries spoiled his career in St. Louis, so the Rams opted to trade him to Philadelphia for a pretty good return.
As long as Bradford stays healthy and does well in Chip Kelly’s offense, he should be fine financially. At the very least, he should be eligible for a $3 million-a-year raise. What he has to do is prove he’s good enough to be a starting quarterback, which, for the one time rookie of the year, mostly means staying on the field. The market for a good starting quarterback is at least $16 million a year. Sixteen quarterbacks are currently making at least $16 million a year. Wilson, Rivers and Luck will be taking that number to 19. If Bradford does well, he will be the 20th or 21st depending on what happens to Nick Foles.
Nick Foles, St. Louis RamsThe Rams like Foles enough to have preliminary extension talks. Foles is in the same position as Bradford. All he has to do is prove he’s a quality starter to approach the $16 million-a-year scale. Like Bradford, the better Foles does, the higher his stock will climb.
What could help Foles is the team around him. The Rams are the youngest team in football and are loaded with talented draft choices acquired over the past three years. If Foles is able to take a young team to the playoffs it could push his number from $16 million to Ryan Tannehill’s $19.25 million-a-year range. The debate for the Rams is whether they should sign him now before his price goes up.
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July 30, 2015 at 3:45 pm #27772
znModeratorRams GM Les Snead: Deal with QB Nick Foles ‘definitely realistic’
Nick Wagoner, ESPN Staff Writer
EARTH CITY, Mo. — As players around the NFL ponder shutting down negotiations or even potentially holding out for a new contract, the St. Louis Rams and quarterback Nick Foles have continued dialogue on a new deal.
At the moment, nothing appears imminent but general manager Les Snead said Thursday that it’s still possible something will get done with Foles before the end of the season. In other words, negotiations might not shut down once the season starts.
“Oh yes, I think it’s definitely realistic,” Snead said. “I think both parties philosophically, us as an organization and … he’s getting to that point where he wants to focus on football and let’s roll. And hey, let the chips fall where they may.
“I do think he’s excited about what’s around him. He thinks we’ll all be successful and that usually means success for the individual as well.”
During organized team activities (OTAs) last month, the Rams openly acknowledged that they had interest in signing Foles to a contract extension despite his never having played in a game for them. They traded quarterback Sam Bradford to the Philadelphia Eagles for Foles and draft pick compensation in March, offering little time to evaluate Foles aside from what they saw on tape.
Getting a deal done with Foles would actually offer an interesting precedent. Quarterbacks with even a modicum of starting success — let alone a season in which they threw 27 touchdowns and just two interceptions two years ago — rarely get traded. In Foles’ case, he’s coming off a drop-off in production and an injury but the Rams believed enough in him to part with a former No. 1 overall pick and doubled down by establishing that he could be their quarterback for the long term.
All of that after only spending a couple of months in Foles’ presence. But while it’s certainly unusual for a team to want to sign a mostly unproven quarterback to a big-money deal without having seen him play for your team, there are a couple of reasons the Rams have interest in getting a deal done.
First and foremost, Snead said the Rams are impressed with what they’ve seen, even in a small sample size.
“The first day you go in the building and throw with receivers and no coaches, whatever phase that may be, it seems like from that day that skill group was like ‘Wow, we love this guy,'” Snead said. “It’s not like he had been the quarterback here for two years, you had a case of his first day at school, hello to everybody, we don’t know each other. He kind of took charge there. You can tell those guys will battle, he’s done a nice job with leadership. That’s the biggest thing I can say about him.”
There are also economical reasons for a deal to get done. From the Rams’ side, signing Foles to a contract before he plays for them would eliminate the chance he could have a huge 2015 season and drive his price up. That could mean getting him at a relative bargain compared to some of the lucrative deals other signal-callers have signed recently.
For his part, Foles said in the spring that he’d be open to getting something done with the Rams and didn’t have plans to play out the season and “bet on” himself in hopes of upping the ante on a potential deal.
So theoretically, the Rams and Foles could strike a deal that allows the Rams to pay as they go while giving Foles a chance to gain some security.
And if Foles enters the season without a deal and proceeds to light it up, well, that’s not such a bad thing either.
“I always go to this, hey if a QB is playing well and you’re winning, having team success, you have no problem asking your owner to write the check,” Snead said. “They’ve earned it, they’ve done it, so that’s what makes this one a little bit interesting.”
July 31, 2015 at 7:22 am #27790
znModeratorTen burning Rams questions: Is Nick Foles enough to get to playoffs?
Nick Wagoner, ESPN Staff Writer
EARTH CITY, Mo. — Training camps around the league are either already underway or will be before the end of the week. The St. Louis Rams officially get underway on Friday.
In the days leading up to the start of camp, we’ll take a look at 10 burning questions facing the Rams as they head toward the 2015 season.
No. 2: Can Nick Foles be enough of an upgrade at quarterback to make the Rams contenders?
If nothing else, the Rams’ decision to trade Sam Bradford for Foles in March injected some new life into an offense desperately in need of some. From here, comparisons between Foles and Bradford will be unavoidable as Bradford takes the reins in Philadelphia and Foles does the same in St. Louis.
But really, for those attempting to evaluate Foles’ impact on his new team, Bradford comparisons shouldn’t be the baseline. Foles isn’t really replacing Bradford, who didn’t play a regular-season snap for the Rams after the midpoint of the 2013 season. Rather, Foles should be held up against the likes of Kellen Clemens, Austin Davis and Shaun Hill.
In that regard, it would be a surprise if Foles doesn’t exceed the productivity of the backups that have been under center for the Rams in the past season and a half.
The question then becomes will having Foles be enough of an upgrade — given all the other moving parts on the offense — to elevate the Rams to playoff contention?
Assuming Foles is able to stay healthy, he should be a good fit for what the Rams expect of their quarterback in a run-heavy offense. Foles won’t be asked to carry the load for the offense by throwing 40 to 50 times a game. His primary focus will be on keeping turnovers to a minimum and taking advantage of deep ball opportunities when they arise.
More specifically, much of what the Rams hope for from Foles will come in the play-action game. That could be an ideal match considering Foles’ success in that area. Since 2013, Foles leads all quarterbacks with 23 touchdowns on play-action passes. If Todd Gurley and the running game can get rolling, Foles should have ample opportunity to take advantage of play-action.
In 2014, Davis and Hill each went 3-5 as the starter, combining for 3,658 yards, 20 touchdowns and 16 interceptions. The yardage and touchdown totals are probably reasonable expectations for Foles but to get the Rams into playoff contention, he’ll need to reduce the interception total by about half. Even more to the point, he’ll need to cut down on the type of back-breaking turnovers that turned into touchdowns for the defense.
Rams quarterbacks threw six interceptions and coughed up two fumbles that were returned for touchdowns in 2014, miscues that often either proved the difference on the scoreboard or allowed a close game to get away.
Foles’ job won’t be easy, especially with three new starters on the offensive line and a new coordinator in place but if he proves capable of taking care of the ball and offering the occasional big play in the passing game, it would go a long way toward getting the Rams back to the postseason for the first time since 2004.
July 31, 2015 at 7:40 am #27791
znModeratorSince 2013, Foles leads all quarterbacks with 23 touchdowns on play-action passes
More on this, from PFF stats.
Foles completion percentage, play action
2014: 57.1%, ranked 33rd of 39
2013: 58.1%, ranked 29th of 41He actually needs work in this area. I think a lot of us assumed he was better than he was at this the last 2 years.
In terms of the TDs, it’s —
2013: 14
2014: 9 -
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