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I often see posters argue a QB is bad
because of “their won-lost record”But nobody ever says that about any
other position. Why not?Robert Quinn’s record with the Rams is:
6-10
7-9
7-8-1
2-14Therefore, he’s a bad DE,
and oughta be cut. Yes?Anywayz, i was glancing at the profootball refrence page
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/?redirWhen’s the last time the Rams had a Defense
ranked no.1 in yards allowed?
Points allowed?Ya gotta go way back. Sigh.
Now, a more interesting question with a surprising
answer, perhaps — Which Ram team had the best combined
rankings of:
Points scored on offense,
Yards on offense,
Points given up on defense,
Yards given up on defense.The four big categories.
Which Ram team was the ‘best’ in
those combined rankings?
Hint — it aint the GSOT teams,
and it wasn’t the Waterfield/Van Brocklin teams either 🙂
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/?redirw
vI am heavily on record (so to speak)as believing that attributing a W/L record to the qb is bogus. So I am on record about records.
You can use the record to say SOME things about a qb. Like, in the last coule of years the Packers won more with Rodgers than without him.
That just means you need a good qb, not that the record goes entirely to the qb.
In fact, I don’t believe records of themselves say anything. They’re questions to be answered, not answers in themselves. Like 2007, they went 3-13 after a promising emergence at the end of 2006. So–why the 3-13 record? We might all answer that differently…I would say Linehan was not a head coach and was in over his head, the defense struggled, and the OL got massacred by extensive injuries which meant the offense was going to be far less effective than it looked at the end of 2006.
Anyway. A team record is not a qb stat. We’ve all seen examples of teams winning with average at best qbs (2010 Jets), and we’ve all seen good qbs get buried on bad teams (2014 Saints).
Yeah, its complexicated trying to figure
out accurate things to say about individual parts
of a “Team.”Like for example i thot it was interesting when
you suggested that Barksdale played better when
he had a solid Healthy player next to him…As far as Bradfore-Evaluators, they’d have
better arguments if they could somehow “isolate”
his core-traits that they notice by watching
him carefully. And that takes a good eye, and
lots of experience, etc.w
vLike for example i thot it was interesting when
you suggested that Barksdale played better when
he had a solid Healthy player next to him…To be fair, and in the interests of painstakingly overbearing exactitude, I was actually saying it’s hard for one healthy vet to play well on a line where the other 4 have problems. It wasn’t a “next to 1 guy” thing.
Though the fact that he was next to Joseph probably wasn’t a big help.
It’s the idea that the OL is a unit, and if the rest of the unit decays, it’s hard for one guy to remain effective. I mean, when a line has 2 injured starters playing and a green as Auburn grass rookie LOT, then, they shift everything they do, there’s less effectiveness all the way around, they move the help to assist other guys, and so on…he’s more exposed.
I know we’ve had this “4 guys v. next to 1” knockdown death match before. But I can’t help it. Come at me with that kind of hostile board war stuff, and I have no choice but to go nuclear.
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