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August 20, 2023 at 12:07 am #144954znModerator
Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
I’d also be surprised if Byron Young not playing tonight (in itself a small surprise) is due to anything other than how much he impressed the coaching staff this week/rest…will follow up with McVay postgame, though, in case it’s anything else.
Confirmed that Young is not hurt – between getting rest tonight and the week he just had, bodes well for his status on the depth chart (as I wrote this week he took over one of the starting spots about midway through camp and has only excelled from there)..TurfShowTimes@TurfShowTimesStetson Bennett could realistically already have had 5 interceptions through about 4-5 quarters of preseason play…Jourdan Rodrigue: https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/nfl-news-scores-schedule-preseason/K4qNnq3rvClL/c5s1IzVrB0KL/Halftime thoughts from Rams vs. Raiders- As I’ve been writing since about February, the Rams overhauled their once-veteran defense of the past couple years for retaining some of their offensive core and also for the sake of repairing their salary cap. We should absolutely expect some jarring bumps with such a young group, and the first quarter was no exception. But I felt that the defense tightened up, particularly on passing downs, as the first quarter continued and the second quarter opened. One example: after the Raiders got solid field position with a 31-yard punt return, and then the Tomlinson penalty, outside linebacker Keir Thomas and good coverage by the defensive backs combined for a sack and ultimately the Rams held the Raiders to a field goal on the drive.
- Jake Hummel’s leaping interception for a touchdown midway through the quarter doesn’t hurt this case, either. Nor did the Rams forcing a turnover on downs late in the half, after defensive lineman Jonah Williams batting down a pass set up a third-and-7, then a fourth-and-3 pass was incomplete.
- Of course, the Raiders’ final drive of the half (in the last two minutes) was a disaster for the Rams, who couldn’t get pressure on Brian Hoyer and left some wide-open gaps in their coverage. Timarcus Davis also had a costly pass interference with under a minute left.
- The Rams still have a lot to worry about with Logan Bruss, who started his second game at right tackle. Bruss missed his entire rookie season to injury, and left Saturday’s game in the second quarter with team medical personnel. Warren McClendon has been training at reserve swing tackle, and he came into the game for Bruss.
- Left tackle Alaric Jackson, left guard Steve Avila and right guard Tremayne Anchrum – three players who are either penciled in as starters or in Anchrum’s case, have been competing to start in recent weeks – all played through the entire first half. Between significant preseason game snaps and joint practices, I do wonder whether at least Jackson and Avila will be spelled for the final preseason game.
- Quarterback Stetson Bennett threw a pick six late in the half to put the Raiders up 17-10. It looked like Bennett was throwing to a landmark, and perhaps thought receiver Tyler Johnson would cut outward on his route – instead throwing right to Raiders defensive back Isaiah Pola-Mao.
August 20, 2023 at 12:17 am #144955znModeratorHelluva catch by Davis Allen. 😮💨
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August 20, 2023 at 12:18 am #144956znModeratorThe Rams lost another preseason game, 34-17, this time to the Raiders. Here’s what you need to know from LA’s second straight loss. https://t.co/wjAXh8eSnH
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) August 20, 2023
August 20, 2023 at 1:07 am #144959znModeratorWhat an absolutely beautiful play on the ball by Jake Hummel, followed by returning it to the endzone! Pick 6 Rams!!!
And just like that, it’s 10-10.pic.twitter.com/wmIBon16uf
— RAMS REPORT🗯 (@RamsNFLReport) August 20, 2023
August 20, 2023 at 1:07 am #144960znModeratorStetson Bennett with 6 on the ground! 🔥 pic.twitter.com/Oj24eLQY95
— Rams Tapes 🥶 (@RamsTapes) August 20, 2023
August 20, 2023 at 1:12 am #144961znModeratornice back shoulder pic.twitter.com/TI9eLMUQbh
— roberto clemente (@rclemente2121) August 20, 2023
August 20, 2023 at 1:15 am #144962znModeratorGary Klein@LATimeskleinStetson Bennett’s night is done. He completed 15 of 24 passes for 142 yards, with an interception that was returned for a TD. He also rushed for a four-yard TD..Blaine Grisak@bgrisakTSTLogan Bruss is banged up. Looks like he rolled his ankle. Had shown improvement in pass protection up until that last play. Rams settle for a FG. Tanner Brown’s kick is GOOD!.Punt coverage unit HAS to be better. Almost two weeks in a row. Evans also needs to do better at not out-kicking his coverage. Closest gunner was 10 yards away from the returner. Got a little lucky that one wasn’t ‘housed’..Some good things tonight and things that still need worked on. Overall liked what I saw from the OL. Davis Allen looked good in his debut and Tre Tomlinson looks like a steal. Rough moments from Bennett, edge rushers, and secondary depth. One more week to correct things!.JAKE ELLENBOGEN@JKBOGENStetson Bennett looked like a rookie this week. Totally fine. Tre Tomlinson simply did not. He looked like the #Rams stole a Tariq Woolen level corner in the 6th round as he continued his bright play. Ronnie Rivers is definitely going to make the team..TurfShowTimes@TurfShowTimesLow throw by Stetson Bennett. Unofficial quote by Sean McVay watching the replay: “Ah, fuck me”.Cameron DaSilva@camdasilvaTre Tomlinson continues to play well this preseason. Beautiful PBU down the left sideline.August 20, 2023 at 1:25 am #144963InvaderRamModeratori was really glad to see davis allen see some action. i’m hoping he can grab the third tight end spot.
and jake hummel is an interesting prospect. very explosive. very athletic.
6’1″ 235 pounds. 10″ hands 32 3/8″ arms
4.51 40
4.30 ss
6.83 3 cone
37″ vert
10’6″ broad
some serious numbers. second year with the rams. hopefully he can make a step up.
August 20, 2023 at 10:42 am #144964znModeratorRodrigue: 5 things I think after the Rams’ Week 2 preseason game vs. Raiders
Jourdan Rodrigue
INGLEWOOD, Calif. — The Los Angeles Rams dropped their second consecutive preseason game, this time 34-17 to the Las Vegas Raiders.
While I’m still not jumping to full conclusions in the preseason (the preseason), I’m a lot closer to strong hypotheses about certain position groups (cough, the defensive line, cough) and seeing growth in others.
Five developing thoughts from Saturday:
1. We knew this defense could face these types of growing pains. Are fans ready for the ride?
In writing since February about the Rams’ intention to overhaul just one side of their roster, in this case the defense — for the sake of a team that both wanted to keep the majority of its offense intact and clean up its future salary cap in the process — it was easy to forget about one thing: What it could actually look like in action.
There’s no sugar-coating it, this is simply a group that is going to have a lot of bumps as the younger players grow, and progress won’t be linear. I’ll use the first half specifically as an example, because few players in Saturday night’s second half will actually contribute in the regular season barring some sort of injury fiasco.
So, about that first-half group: The defensive line is still a major concern, certainly on passing downs but most glaringly against the run. The Raiders ended the first quarter with eight first downs, half of which were on run plays, and averaged 5.8 yards per carry on their first drive alone. They capped that drive, which featured five all-too-easy runs, with a 7-yard touchdown. The Rams even had inside linebacker Christian Rozeboom, who is the No. 2 on this team, jumping into gaps on run plays and even play-action looks to try to see what works for their defensive line or even helps it, while third-string inside linebacker Jake Hummel often manned the second level. The Rams play a lot of single-linebacker looks in their regular-season defense, so this seemed to be a clear effort to help against the run.
Last week, head coach Sean McVay said that technical work within their gap-and-a-half scheme, such as hand placement and general spatial execution, were the culprits for a porous run defense and that those things are correctible. He said again Saturday night, what he’s most concerned with is whether he can see players take steps in “the right direction.”
So I asked him: Could he?
“I gotta be able to look at the film, to be able to answer that,” he said.
Whiplash to the good stuff: the Rams’ defense tightened up at the end of the first quarter and into the second. Rookie cornerback Tre Tomlinson, who started the game, had an impressive pass breakup deep downfield against receiver Phillip Dorsett II and cornerback Robert Rochell broke up the third-down pass that followed.
Whiplash to the bad stuff: Tomlinson got flagged for an illegal block while trying to cut off a run play. That sent the Raiders, who already had great field position because of a 31-yard punt return, down the field even further.
Whiplash to the good stuff: The Rams got a coverage sack (Keir Thomas) that helped hold the Raiders to a field goal. Hummel got a pick-six. Defensive lineman Jonah Williams batted a pass that helped the Rams force a turnover on downs. Whiplash to the bad stuff: Their two-minute defense was full of coverage holes and quarterback Brian Hoyer had a ton of time on some of his throws.
You get the idea. As it pertains to their defensive line, specifically, the Rams should keep a close eye on other teams’ cutdowns over the next couple of weeks. It’s OK to be learning and growing, but they won’t have a chance against some of the teams they’ll face over the first part of the season if they keep getting carved up on the ground like this. The Rams believe their offense will keep them competitive in many games, but that won’t matter if a team can so easily go ball-control on them with a decent run game and play keep-away from quarterback Matthew Stafford.
2. Davis Allen has a heck of a debut
Allen, the rookie tight end who the Rams drafted in the fifth round this spring, missed the entirety of training camp with a hamstring issue. Allen just started practicing this week, and was thrown into the mix Saturday night. He absolutely impressed: Allen caught all eight of his targets for 53 yards.
The best of these was a tough 7-yard catch-and-run in the red zone, where it took multiple Raiders defenders to bring Allen to the ground. Allen was plenty tired at that point, after just a few days back on the field, but showed his potential as a yards-after-catch contributor in a high-stakes part of the field.
“Growin’ up as a kid, my dad always said, ‘Don’t let one person take you down,’” said Allen after the game, grinning. “So, I’ve always tried to do that. If I’m gonna go down, I’m taking a lot of people with me. Thankfully it turned out to where I broke a few (tackles) and got a few more yards.
“It felt great to be back. Definitely need to get more into football shape, for sure, but that’s a perfect way to do it.”
Despite spending training camp on the sideline watching practice unfold, Allen said the Rams’ coaches threw a full playbook at him ahead of Saturday’s game. He also showed some intriguing ability as a blocker.
“They threw me right in, threw me right in the fire,” Allen said. “I was very thankful for that. And thankfully, while I was out the only thing I could do was study the playbook. So I didn’t want to be behind at all in that phase. This week, they kind of just … let me go. You know, they watched it a little bit, just coming back from injury. They kind of had to limit my yardage. But they just kind of let me go.”
3. Stetson Bennett giveth, taketh away
The Rams’ rookie backup quarterback, who played all but the second half of the fourth quarter Saturday, continues to hit the NFL learning curve in public — and often must do exactly that, several times per game. Bennett had a shaky opening, including a skipped third-down pass to receiver Tyler Johnson and another incomplete pass on a third down where he threw a high (but catchable) ball to contested receiver Demarcus Robinson and it fell incomplete. Bennett also threw a pick-six almost directly to safety Isaiah Pola-Mao. The ball was supposed to go to Johnson on an in-breaking route, which he ran, but Bennett instead threw to a landmark where an out-breaking route would have been.
“It was completely my fault,” Bennett said, “I thought that he was going to run a different route than he did, and anticipated it. And then he ran the one that was called. I threw the one that wasn’t, and I paid for it.”
And yet Bennett is also capable of making plays the Rams love to see, including a perfect timing throw to rookie receiver Xavier Smith in the second half, who in turn made an outstanding catch.
“They were running man coverage, and he had a seam route,” Bennett said, “I saw his release, checked the safety and just put it there. While it was in the air, I was like, ‘look … look … look …” and he did and it was right there, and he made a heck of a play.”
Bennett, who finished the game 15 of 24 for 142 yards and the interception, also ran in a keeper touchdown to cap an 11-play, 75-yard drive in the third quarter. He’s up and he’s down, and that’s to be expected. The Rams have seen him work through a learning curve before, when he went from walk-on to starter at Georgia.
“It’s hard to say exactly when it started to slow down (in college), I think it’s a continuous process,” he said. “All of the sudden, you’re kind of there. And that’s, I guess, what it will be like here. You don’t really know until you arrive, and all we can do is take the next step forward. That’s what I try to do each and every play.”
4. Special teams tackling a work in progress
Not only did the Raiders get a 31-yard punt return, barely saved by punter Ethan Evans pushing the returner out of bounds, but on many of the coverages of Evans’ punts there were at least two missed tackles, by a variety of different players. In fact, missing tackles at the initial contact point seemed more regular an occurrence than not, except when Evans punted a tight shot to the sideline that forced a Raiders returner to tip-toe as he caught it to stay inbounds, before going out of bounds — therefore rendering it unnecessary for the coverage players to tackle the returner.
“I think there’s been a lot of missed tackles,” McVay said, “there’s been a lot of situations, too, where I think you want to give some grace to (what would be) the main 11 guys that we’ve barely been working on that unit, that we anticipate covering punts when we play the Seattle Seahawks on the 10th. I’m not trying to make excuses, but there (are) some real continuity things that we want to continue to tighten down. Even on the one that we gave up last week, there are some very seamless things that we can correct.”
On a positive note, second-year safety Quentin Lake has been a true bright spot on special teams and also while playing dime linebacker — a sub package position that features a safety playing closer to the line of scrimmage, but is separate from their multifaceted “Star” role. Lake had a couple of outstanding tackles, including one on special teams that pinned the Raiders deep in their own territory in the second quarter.
5. Byron Young … penciled-in starter?
I marked down Young as a player to watch in this week’s preseason game after a fantastic week of practice. Turns out, it was indeed productive enough that the Rams surprisingly decided to rest him — also potentially nodding toward his status as a starter. A team spokesman confirmed that Young is not injured.
McVay mentioned after the game that Young was “a little sore” after so heavy a workload in practice and so he made the call to rest him, but this additionally indicates to me that Young is, as of now, penciled in as one of the starting outside linebackers.
Should be mentioned: Third-string running back Ronnie Rivers followed an impressive first preseason game with another strong performance against the Raiders. Rivers cleaved out runs of six, seven and six yards on the Rams’ opening drive and many times when he was substituted, the run game seemed to stall. It’s still unknown whether the Rams will keep three or four running backs on their 53-man roster, and rookie Zach Evans has draft pick status. But Rivers will not go quietly, nor should he.
Did not play: Stafford, Cooper Kupp, Van Jefferson, Tutu Atwell, Puka Nacua, Cam Akers, Tyler Higbee, Coleman Shelton, Brian Allen, Rob Havenstein, Brycen Hopkins, Hunter Long (injured), Ernest Jones, Cobie Durant, Derion Kendrick (injured), Jason Taylor (also missed practice Thursday), Young, Ochaun Mathis (injured).
August 20, 2023 at 11:19 am #144965joemadParticipantJourdan Rodrique…. writes good articles
i don’t sit and watch preseason games in great detail like Mike Franke did, but this Rivers guy has caught my attention the past 2 weeks. 4.7 and 5 yards per carry. I also read that this guy won 1/2 a million with a lucky poker hand.
Should be mentioned: Third-string running back Ronnie Rivers followed an impressive first preseason game with another strong performance against the Raiders. Rivers cleaved out runs of six, seven and six yards on the Rams’ opening drive and many times when he was substituted, the run game seemed to stall. It’s still unknown whether the Rams will keep three or four running backs on their 53-man roster, and rookie Zach Evans has draft pick status. But Rivers will not go quietly, nor should he.
August 20, 2023 at 1:18 pm #144967InvaderRamModeratori don’t sit and watch preseason games in great detail like Mike Franke did, but this Rivers guy has caught my attention the past 2 weeks.
i have noticed rivers too. i think the running game should be good. lots of depth there.
August 20, 2023 at 1:30 pm #144968InvaderRamModeratorAllen, the rookie tight end who the Rams drafted in the fifth round this spring, missed the entirety of training camp with a hamstring issue. Allen just started practicing this week, and was thrown into the mix Saturday night. He absolutely impressed: Allen caught all eight of his targets for 53 yards.
i’m really rooting for this guy. probably never be a superstar but can do all the grunt work. looked really tough last night. physical. i saw him out there blocking too. not just making the tough catches. he’s got great size. and while he’s not extremely long (32.25″ arms), he’s got big mitts. and he’s got some explosion (38.5″ vertical) which should help him move defenders and reach hard to get balls.
August 20, 2023 at 8:07 pm #144969znModeratori’m really rooting for this guy. probably never be a superstar but can do all the grunt work.
Blaine Grisak @bgrisakTSTDavis Allen was targeted 8 times yesterday and caught all 8 targets. Had two contested catches. That was something he was good at in college at Clemson – went 11/12 last year which led the NCAA.August 20, 2023 at 8:46 pm #144973InvaderRamModeratorBlaine Grisak @bgrisakTST Davis Allen was targeted 8 times yesterday and caught all 8 targets. Had two contested catches. That was something he was good at in college at Clemson – went 11/12 last year which led the NCAA.
the rams don’t really have a player like him on the roster. i think a player like him would be really useful.
August 20, 2023 at 9:21 pm #144977znModeratorAt this point, there isn't much more Aidan O'Connell can do to win the backup job.
Against the Rams, he showed off a bunch of traits that are important to have in Josh McDaniels' offense. pic.twitter.com/F0uwuIzPYV
— Ted Nguyen (@FB_FilmAnalysis) August 20, 2023
August 21, 2023 at 12:20 am #144980znModerator.@lilronnie_20 casually carrying six grown men on his back for the extra yards. 😤 pic.twitter.com/orsu0UT4Am
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