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    Rams head to playoffs with uncertainty at QB and a dominant defense: The Pile

    Jourdan Rodrigue

    https://theathletic.com/2299329/2021/01/04/john-wolford-jared-goff-rams-seahawks/?source=emp_shared_article

    INGLEWOOD, Calif. — We don’t know what will happen next week.

    We don’t technically even know who the Rams’ quarterback will be. After backup John Wolford helped the Rams to an 18-7 win and a playoff spot Sunday against Arizona — during which Jared Goff, out after thumb surgery, cheered for him on every snap — coach Sean McVay was not definitive about who will start next Saturday against Seattle in the Wild Card Round game.

    “We’ll talk about that this week,” McVay said, adding that he was not sure about Goff’s health status.

    After Wolford’s disastrous first-ever NFL throw — an interception that led to the Cardinals’ only points — he returned to the Rams’ sideline and told teammates, “Don’t worry about me. I’ll be fine.”

    Then, he settled in. On a 16-play, 69-yard drive that stretched into the second quarter, Wolford began to use his ability as a runner — both on designed and off-schedule plays. He rushed for 33 yards on the drive, converting first downs on runs of 13, 11 and nine yards, respectively. The Rams ultimately kicked a field goal to cut Arizona’s lead to 7-3.

    Wolford said those runs — and actually getting hit — helped him find his rhythm. He finished 22-of-38 for 231 yards and no touchdowns, plus 56 rushing yards on six carries.

    “I think getting hit is a good thing sometimes, to help get you settled into a game,” Wolford said. “And so when I activated those runs, got a first down there on that (third and long), it just felt good. So, it’s something where I have the athleticism to do it, and if it helps us win, I’m going to do it.”

    Wolford’s feet also helped the Rams dig a little deeper into their playbook than we have seen this season. The designed runs were one thing, but as we all know — including their opponents — the Rams love them some bootlegs. But when Wolford is rolling into them, the action happens quicker, and his comfort with throwing on the run means he can change his point of release in accordance with how a play breaks down.

    The Cardinals, it seemed on Sunday, took a cue from how other opponents have at times covered up those bootlegs. (An outside linebacker or defensive end is a “free rusher” and runs straight through the invisible line of the action and toward the quarterback.) Wolford kept his feet moving at all times when in the pocket and was able to extend the play (and help the offensive line) enough to where several downfield routes could get the time to develop.

    In fact, Wolford notably threw the ball 20-plus yards downfield nine times, completing three of those attempts (one was a clear drop by rookie receiver Van Jefferson). As the Rams have moved toward a higher-probability (shorter-yardage) passing game this season, those throws have been few and far between.

    “I thought he really gave us a chance offensively with the amount of plays that he made in the pass game with his legs,” McVay said. “Even just being able to extend some of the bootlegs, you know, where he finds Van on the crosser where typically (the ball) has got to come out … I thought it showed up in a big way on all three downs, and he gave it a chance.”

    The Rams’ defense entered the Week 17 matchup certain that it would need to hold firm and even score points to ensure a place in the postseason. It did just that. Arizona totaled 214 yards and scored seven points, while the Rams’ defense scored nine (a safety and a pick-six interception). The Rams finished the regular season No. 1 in the NFL in fewest points and yards allowed.

    “I just can’t say enough about the defense, the way that they played,” McVay said. “They were unbelievable all day. They’ve been unbelievable all year. They’ve really been the strength of this team, and I thought they showed up in a big way.”

    We don’t know what will happen next week at quarterback, even as adamant as the Rams were this week that Goff would be back and ready for the playoffs so quickly after thumb surgery. Goff threw for a bit on the sidelines before the game, but he has not taken any snaps since his surgery. So here’s how it probably will go: No further clarity on Monday or Tuesday and a closed walkthrough on Wednesday, and Goff will throw on Thursday and Friday and will not be ruled out for Sunday’s game (if at all) until we see the list of inactive players.

    And that’s fine! While logic and history tell us that if Goff is healthy, he’ll probably play — “if” being the operative word — it’s an advantage for McVay and the Rams if Seattle has to prepare for two very different quarterbacks, so it is understandable if McVay is deploying a bit of gamesmanship here. Goff, after all, threw for 351 yards against this Arizona defense last month and is experienced in playoff games and in facing the Seahawks, whose defense was much improved in the back half of the season.

    Further, I’d bet that the decision will be based on two things: Whether Goff is healthy enough to give the Rams the best shot at winning, and whether the looks Wolford could provide against Seattle as a mobile quarterback might give them a better chance. That’s a decision that has to be made with Seattle in mind, and not the Cardinals.

    So, again: We don’t know what will happen next week.

    But damn, the Rams needed this win, this way, this week. Talk about a palate cleanser. They’re 10-6, and playoff-bound as the No. 6 seed in the NFC.

    Welcome to The Pile. Let’s start poking around.

    Red zone? Hardly know her

    The Rams’ long, promising drives that stalled in the red zone — they didn’t score a touchdown all game but got into the red zone four times — reminded me of that scene from “Friends” in which first-time cook Rachel Green is tasked with making an English trifle for Thanksgiving dessert.

    “It’s a trifle. It’s got all of these layers,” she says. “First, there’s a layer of ladyfingers, then a layer of jam, then custard, which I made from scratch. Raspberries, more ladyfingers. Then beef sautéed with peas and onions …”

    If the Rams’ drives were the ladyfingers, custard, jam and raspberries, the red-zone stalls — hindered by penalties, drops and decision making — were the beef (sautéed with peas and onions).

    “We have to do a much better job of finishing drives in the red area,” McVay said.

    This is not a problem unique to playing a backup quarterback (although perhaps false-start penalties could be attributed to not being as accustomed to Wolford’s cadence). The Rams are scoring in the red zone at just a 62 percent rate this season and just 50 percent over their last three games.

    “The thing that really is disappointing — but hey, the guys continued to battle — is when you have two red-zone drives where you’re, in essence, inside the 2-yard-line and you only come away with three points total,” McVay said. “We’ve got to be better than that.”

    Troy Hill and more defensive highlights

    The defense prided itself down the backstretch of the season in taking away the ball and turning it into points, and the Rams finished the season tied for first in scoring defense (four touchdowns) with Indianapolis despite not scoring in the first 11 games.

    Cornerback Troy Hill, who is set to be a free agent this spring, scored three of those TDs, and the latest came via an interception of Cardinals backup quarterback Chris Streveler that he returned for 84 yards for a score.

    “We (myself and the end zone) just became best friends this year,” Hill said. “You never get tired of your best friend.”

    Hill’s return, with 20 seconds remaining in the second quarter, put the Rams ahead 12-7 at the half and placed them in a situation they are familiar with and love: McVay’s Rams are now 35-0 when holding a halftime lead.

    Aaron Donald unsurprisingly had a solid game as well, setting an early tone with a tackle for loss and then a run-stuff. Donald finished with four tackles — two for a loss in key run-stop situations. Around him, other defensive linemen stepped up. Morgan Fox had a sack (immediately after Donald’s tackle for loss in the first quarter), a quarterback hit and two tackles for loss. Outside linebacker Samson Ebukam recorded two sacks, and outside linebacker Leonard Floyd got one sack to finish the season with 10.5.

    Will a non-QB run game come back to life?

    Wolford was averaging 9.4 yards per carry at one point Sunday, but the Rams couldn’t get much else going on the ground. Rookie Cam Akers stunningly returned from a high ankle sprain suffered two weeks ago and had 21 carries for just 34 yards. Veteran back Malcolm Brown had three carries for 20 yards.

    “Outside of John, I didn’t think we ran the ball particularly well,” McVay said. “I didn’t think we got great movement. I have to do a better job of making sure I’m activating certain plays.”

    Akers was still taking the lead reps late in the game, even though all four available running backs were on the game roster.

    Jalen Ramsey’s “regular” season

    I’m not going to jump in the comments section and argue about offensive or defensive pass interference. I’m just going to drop this stat and leave it at that.

    Ramsey faced elite NFC West receivers DK Metcalf and DeAndre Hopkins twice each this season and allowed a combined total of 75 receiving yards, according to data acquired from Next Gen Stats and Pro Football Reference.

    Special teams

    I don’t know what to do with myself. Folks, I have no qualms with the Rams’ special-teams unit, which, like everybody you follow on Instagram, has decided to transform for the better in 2021.

    Nsimba Webster was back on punt returns and got the Rams great field position after the second-quarter safety, and he took care of the football. Johnny Hekker won the coin toss (and, you know, did the punting thing). Matt Gay hit all three of his field-goals attempts. Rookie running back Raymond Calais got a shot at kick return. Defensive tackle A’Shawn Robinson blocked a field goal and linebacker Troy Reeder recovered it!

    And coordinator John Bonamego, after all of the ups and downs of this season, may have done a lot in the way of job preservation.

    Bottom of The Pile

    A favorite, and absolutely igniting, play of Wolford’s teammates was his fourth-quarter designed run (zone read) on third-and-9. Wolford lowered his shoulder and crashed into two Cardinals defenders to get the first down, and the Rams’ sideline lit up. “He’s willing to risk it all to get the first down, man,” Floyd said. “That just gives the defense an extra boost of confidence to go out and get him the ball back.”

    Floyd’s sack allowed him to reach a contract escalator that is reportedly worth over $1 million. McVay said this week that the Rams would “absolutely” like to have Floyd back next season (he’s on a one-year deal), but it might be tough to keep him after a season like this.

    Wolford is not going to delete his LinkedIn account, remarking postgame that “he’s 1-0 with it active.”

    With veteran defensive lineman Michael Brockers on the COVID-19/reserve list, safety and captain John Johnson broke down the Rams’ final pregame huddle, a task usually reserved for Brockers. It was both a special and joyful moment, judging by the looks on the faces of Johnson and his teammates.

    Brockers and receiver Cooper Kupp were both inactive because they were on the COVID-19/reserve list. The Rams play Seattle on Saturday, and I am told that as long as they are asymptomatic by that time, they will be able to be cleared to play.

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    #126345
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    Goff can start, if healthy. If he falls, bring in Woldford.

    Agamemnon

    #126355
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    I dunno about Goff. He freelances to much.
    And there’s that thumb. Plus, he’s religious.

    I say, we go with Bulger.

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    #126357
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    I say, we go with Bulger.

    Bulger’s the one they traded to the Chiefs after Martz came out of retirement and took their head coaching job, right?

    Bulger’s okay, but I never liked the phantom sack.

    ..

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    BearlyThere

    Background: Longtime Cal fan here with deep roots with the Rams from my Father and Grandfather. I’ve become a big fan watching almost every game since Goff was drafted.

    Note: I also follow all the Cal players into the pros like Goff and Rodgers. Did a stint as a sideline reporter at Cal during my time there when we were lucky enough to have Aaron Rodgers and Marshawn Lynch at the same time.

    As someone who has watched Goff over the last 8 years I want to peel apart what is Goff versus what is McVay.

    Overall I think McVay is a VERY good coach that builds a strong culture and team. Is he a perfect fit for Goff? Probably not, with the caveat that there probably aren’t too many better places for Goff and the Rams would likely have a tough time getting a QB as good as I think Goff can be.

    Goff Background

    I agree that Goff has taken a step back the last several games. He is playing more tentative and is forcing bad throws. Has Goff peaked? I don’t believe so. It looks to me like he is overthinking and suffering from mental lapses. How do I know?

    1. At Cal, Goff was awesome at both the quick pass game and deep game. He was never a “Check-down Charlie”.
    2. He led us on so many 4th quarter comebacks with ice in his veins. If we lost, it was our defense or the receiver missing a catchable ball.
    3. Countless times he led 50 second drives when we needed a quick score. This is very rare under McVay…(see below)
    4. At Cal, Goff was often a slow starter but would get stronger as the game wore on. He didn’t suffer from mental breakdowns in the 4th quarter like previous quarterbacks or the competition.
    5. His offensive line at Cal was horrible. They ran a vertical set and he rarely had time. He would maneuver and get the ball out quickly. Something he did well in 2018 but not as well this year.
    6. Goff was money against pressure in college. Someone can look up the stat. All I could find was this espn article Jared Under Pressure Meaning Goff at one time was good against pressure: https://www.espn.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/28783/pocket-presence-performance-under-pressure-make-jared-goff-a-fit-for-rams

    McVay Observations

    Once again, I think he is a VERY good coach! Rams are lucky. 4 straight winning seasons. Superbowl appearance. Should he be OC too? Maybe not.

    1. Under McVay, the rams have been mostly poor in the 2 minute drill. Goff was terrific at 2minute. No Huddle? No problem! It also shows when the Rams are down that they struggle to score quickly. Is this intentional? Does McVay want to keep time of possession to protect the defense? All short-route YAC receivers? Is the goal 10 play drives all the time?

    2. He always spends every second talking to Goff until the 15 second mark. Part of what makes McVay a top coach is that he prepares his team very well. He has notes for all players all the time. He drafts/recruits football junkies that care like he does about the nuances. Is this too much for Goff to process 60 plays a game every game? Is he overcoaching Goff to the point of analysis paralysis? I tend to think this is the case. The way to confirm would be to see if Wolford or whatever future QB suffers the same climb then drop after a few years of McVay. Anyone who has followed McVay with Griffin/Cousins, did the same climb and drop-off occur?

    3. Redzone problems. Goff was never Rodgers in the redzone but he was pretty good at Cal. McVay on the other hand was not at Washington. I think this is more play calling and formation. If you have a huge TE/possession WR you can throw those fades. Gives you more power-blocking options as well or add another lineman.

    4. Control freak? One of the most interesting things I thought to happen was Matt LaFleur leaving after one season. I think I read it was because he wanted to call plays? Now he is HC at Green Bay and they have done very well. Aaron Rodgers appreciates him overall especially versus that hack McCarthy. There’s been a different Offensive coaching staff aside from McVay every single year at the Rams. That could explain some of the inconsistency for Goff.

    How much of losing coaches is McVay’s Personality versus guys getting poached like Zac Taylor?

    Overall I suspect that McVay is over-coaching at times. He struggles to manage the clock and it results in a lot of penalties/delay of game. It doesn’t give Jared a lot of freedom to get a play, go the line and take advantage of what he sees. He often has about 10 seconds to get the play out, look around and go. Sean’s primary goal on every play appears to try and take advantage of matchups. The problem is that great defensive coaches have learned how to disguise the matchups and trick the rams.

    Goff with another team next year?

    I feel like there are very few places where Goff would do better simply because of the team Snead and McVay have built. The OL is mostly young and getting better. They have good playmakers. Defense is awesome. Hope we keep Staley.
    Coaches where he would probably do better:
    – Payton New Orleans (hate that guy but a good coach).
    – Shanahan SF (he puts his players at physical risk but a darn good coach)
    – LaFleur GB
    – Reich Indy
    – Daboll Bills (Not sure but I feel like Allen was way more raw and playing very well).

    Rams better without Goff?

    Very hard to say. I enjoyed Wolford very much this week and had a feeling he was a hidden gem based on AAF performance and preseason. He looks like more of a gamer and his feet obviously add a dimension. OTOH, Three times in that game he took a HARD hit to the head while diving forward (once he was sliding). He won’t last a season if that keeps up. Teams will also adjust to his running abilities making him less effective over time.

    If it were me, I’d play Wolford against the Seahawks as he will change the playbook and make it harder on the Seahawks. McVay can’t over-coach him much yet. He only has one game of film. Re Goff, I don’t see how anyone that had both a fracture and dislocation on their throwing hand could be ready in ~12 days to play a professional football game. Sit and rest Goff unless Wolford hurt. Heck if you have Bortles he could be your backup to Wolford for a game or two.

    My hope for this year is Goff is back for the NFC title or Super Bowl and wins!
    My hope for next year for is McVay to find an OC that he trusts to give the reigns to and they keep Goff and win a back-to-back Super Bowl!

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    Is he overcoaching Goff to the point of analysis paralysis?

    i do sometimes wonder if mcvay is a control freak. maybe he needs to let goff just grip it and rip it.

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    All IMO but it ain’t based on nothing.

    Since 2018 the Rams have had issues with certain fronts that attack the OL, limit outside zone, exploit weak links in the OL (in 2018 it was Sullivan and Blythe at guard), pressure the qb…among other things. Run game is part of this too. BOTH McVay and Goff (along with the OL) respond poorly against those defensive attacks and then what we’re left with is fans putting it all entirely on the qb–and to come up with all these theories about why he has regressed, how he’s thinking not reacting, and so on.

    This qb and this OL and this coach have problems when they face certain defensive attacks and that has not changed since Chicago in 2018.

    Good example of that? Last Seattle game. Before that, the last Jets game.

    Football outsiders on the last Seattle game:

    “Seattle’s secret weapon in this game against the Rams was linebacker K.J. Wright, whom they threw on the line of scrimmage as a walked-up SAM…. Against the Rams, specifically, getting Wright on the line of scrimmage helped Seattle align in odd fronts while still playing from their base 4-3 or nickel 4-2-5 personnel. The Rams’ wide zone offense notoriously struggles with odd-front defenses that load up players along the line of scrimmage.”

    That’s a change up by Seattle v. how they defended the Rams the 1st game. In the first game their defense was still a mess and they tried blitzing the Rams, thinking that’s what worked for Miami. Wrong. Rams are tough against the blitz and Goff has a high qb rating against the blitz (–101.0 to be exact). In the first game Seattle blitzed 21 times (PFR numbers) which is the 2nd most all year.

    Last game they blitzed 11 times and instead used the LBs on the DL to do the traditional “attack the Rams OL” thing the Jets did too (and SF both games).

    Rams still have an achilles heel against certain kind of defensive attacks and that is not just a qb problem, it’s a game-planning/play-calling problem plus an OL problem.

    I will leave out 2019 because the OL was a mess that year, and it is difficult to judge what the real issues are if your OL is that out of sync.

    But we’re talking about the Chicago game in 2018, the superbowl, both SF games this year, and the Jets and 2nd Seattle game.

    In terms of their EFFECTS those games all pretty much look the same.

    There’s your problem, fix that. B)

    #126396
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    Bill Plashcke is an idiot.

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    Rampage2K-

    McVay and Goff need to sit down and watch these…..

    there is no reason we can’t once again get back to doing this on a consistent basis…dont try to sell me that McVay has been figured out and/or Goff lost his ability cuz I aint buying it

    We need to get back to that uptempo, no huddle, throw it down field offense and get the RB’s involved in the pass game like we did with Gurley.

    Hopping we can get that Gurley days run game back with Akers/Henderson next year…. we need to get back to when we were highest scoring team in NFL.

    I believe we can!!!

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    from https://theathletic.com/2302965/2021/01/06/aaron-rodgers-packers-matt-lafleur/?source=emp_shared_article

    The Kyle Shanahan/Sean McVay modern outside zone system is the most quarterback-friendly system in the NFL. Play action off of the outside zone can be indistinguishable from an actual run for defenses and it makes reads for quarterbacks much simpler than in a standard dropback passing game. It has helped quarterbacks with limited skill sets like Jared Goff and Jimmy Garoppolo look like top-10 quarterbacks for stretches. Baker Mayfield is in the midst of a resurgence after head coach Kevin Stefanski brought it to Cleveland. Even Mitchell Trubisky recently enjoyed a strong five-game stretch when the Bears began including elements of it in their offense.

    However, when defenses shut down the run and defend play action soundly, some of these quarterbacks can quickly revert to pumpkins. In the last Super Bowl, Garoppolo failed to deliver when he was forced to drop back in the fourth quarter. In the Super Bowl before that, Goff could barely move the ball against the Patriots’ tilt front, a defense specifically designed to shut down the outside zone and boot — Goff and the Rams still have some trouble against teams that copy the Patriots’ blueprint from time-to-time.

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