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September 15, 2020 at 8:43 pm #121118znModerator
TexasRam
I was able to rewatch the entire Rams Cowboys game today focusing on the Oline. Every snap and every block.
I didn’t take notes and perhaps someone else can do snapshots with notes if they want.
But I did watch every snap and block carefully rewinding several times to see each linemans blocks for each snap. Below is what I found.
Whitworth – A Whit is playing at a high level still. His run blocking is still Elite. He gets perfect position, locks on forever and pushes people. Not a lot of long developing pass plays, but when they were there he was solid. Whitworth did destroy in the run game as well. Not only does he lock on and take guys completely out of the play but his anticipation on where the defender and carefully getting in perfect position to take the guy out of the play is a clinic. For an old dude it is crazy to see how physical he gets banging inside and rooting out his guy. Hopefully he holds up.
Noteboom B- Noteboom was real solid knowing assignment and showed some push in this game. His biggest weakness is he is completely unable to lock on to his block. If you rewatch the game focus on Notebooms blocks. He has trouble holding his man virtually every play. I am not sure if its technique or weak hands, but he cannot lock on at all. This resulted in the Smith sack and several run plays where his man came off him to make the play. With his quick feet, smarts and initial punch he is by no means a slouch. He has value, but he HAS to learn how to sustain a block. I think Edwards is way ahead of Boom and would be an improvement.
Blythe – B+ Blythe is so assignment solid and technique solid that he is almost always getting the job done. He didn’t have any breakdowns that I remember. Because we run so many zone runs, he is able to leverage that running block and translate it into pushing his man back. This scheme is really perfect for him.
Corbett – A Corbett was awesome on tape. He showed lots of power at times, quickness and a real understanding of what we were doing. He pushed him man back on most plays. He did get beat on a spin move one time during pass protection but overall his game was really awesome in this one. Lets see how he holds up to a better defensive front. Right now I am on his bandwagon big time.
Havenstein B+ Big Rob is back to being excellent in the run game. He used perfect positioning, hand usage and his wide frame to really stonewall people and push them back. His Pass protection in this one was mostly pretty solid. Considering the very few longer developing pass plays, he didn’t have much opportunity to give up a sack. He looks like the old Rob that was rated at the top in run blocking.
September 15, 2020 at 8:44 pm #121119znModeratorJ.B. Long@JB_Long
Standout PFF grades from @RamsNFL Week One win:Whitworth – 95.2 (his highest since 2010!)
Donald – 91.7
Blythe – 81.9
Corbett – 80.3September 15, 2020 at 9:27 pm #121120InvaderRamModeratormy biggest worry is how they replace whit in the future. if it’s not noteboom, they have to find one in the draft. soon.
this season. i think the oline gets better the more reps they get. as long as they stay healthy.
September 16, 2020 at 10:11 am #121146AgamemnonParticipantSeptember 16, 2020 at 12:40 pm #121150znModeratorfrom https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2020/09/16/rams-andrew-whitworth-pff-grade-week-1/
Whitworth locked down the left side of the Rams’ line. He earned a 95.2 overall grade from Pro Football Focus in the season opener, which was the second-highest among all offensive players in the NFL.
September 16, 2020 at 2:06 pm #121157znModeratorCierraRam
Corbett is looking more and more like a steal.
As each game went by last season Corbett played just a little better in each. This game last night he was a different player and it was against an upper echelon defensive front. Big improvement!!
Cornell29
Game 1
Whitworth received a 95.2 overall grade, which is the highest amongst LT’s in week 1. Blythe (81.9) was 3rd overall (amongst C’s) and Corbett (80.3) was 6th overall (amongst G’s).
September 22, 2020 at 4:05 pm #121547znModeratorTeam Run Block Win Rate
1. Houston Texans, 75%
2. Green Bay Packers, 75%
3. New England Patriots, 73%
4. Cleveland Browns, 73%
5. Chicago Bears, 73%
6. Indianapolis Colts, 73%
7. Los Angeles Rams, 72%September 22, 2020 at 4:05 pm #121548znModeratorTexasRam
Week 2 -Eagles
I reviewed the game tape play by play reviewing the O-line. Below are my grades. There were some really excellent plays out there. I hope multiple people rewatch the game and focus on the blocking we are getting. I was critical of the coaching staff in the offseason not bringing in fresh blood, but so far their decision is paying off. Havenstein has been excellent, Corbett has turned the corner and turned into a nasty effective player. Blythe hasn’t been perfect but overall he has been really good. Edwards was excellent today when he came in, to my credit I have been a huge fan of his after watching his tape all last year. Whitworth has been Pro Bowl form.
Havenstein Grade A – Totally dominant in the run game and responsible for several big runs. Pretty solid in this game in pass pro as well.
Corbett Grade B+ – Plays with a nasty streak and really moves bodies. Sometimes has perfect second level blocks after first level blocks. Playing at Saffold level in my book right now. Still a little work to do in pass pro. No major breakdowns.
Blythe – B Blythe has been showing more push in the run game and really solid overall. Gave up a sack in this game by failing to pick up the inside stunt by Graham. But that was a difficult block. Graham was lighting quick and Blythe was just a tad slow.
Edwards A – Edwards improvement over Noteboom is so noticeable. He got excellent push and actually showed surprising burst to get out to the second level today. His biggest improvement over Noteboom is his ability to lock onto his block. This guy is so underated and might have a pro bowl or two down the road from what I can tell.
Whitworth A – Still doing his thing. Not much to say. Even in pass pro he is showing perfect form.
Everett was a little inconsistent. Him and Higbee tend to be inconsistent.
Woods was real good again. Kupp improved over last week.The TE/WR blocking can often make or break a play, often time the scheme has them blocking bigger players in assignments that seem such a disadvantage, but the tradeoff is they are great decoys for those delay screens that Mcvay runs to them when the defense is thinking they are blocking.
September 24, 2020 at 12:59 pm #121643znModeratorAndrew Whitworth – highest graded OL through W2 (95.0) pic.twitter.com/z3qIsQrfFQ
— PFF (@PFF) September 24, 2020
September 24, 2020 at 1:01 pm #121644znModeratorfrom https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2020/09/24/rams-offensive-line-stats-season-whitworth/
Austin Blythe has a respectable 67.4 PFF grade at center with only one sack allowed, with Austin Corbett’s grade sitting at 74.3 with no sacks allowed. Rob Havenstein has allowed some pressure at right tackle, but he hasn’t given up a sack and his PFF grade is an impressive 76.3 after he ended last season at 50.9.
As a team, the Rams are only 17th in the NFL in ESPN’s pass block win rate metric, but they’re seventh in run block win rate, which means they’re opening up holes and preventing defenders from making plays at the line of scrimmage.
September 24, 2020 at 2:59 pm #121651znModeratorAndrew Whitworth – highest graded OL through W2 (95.0) pic.twitter.com/z3qIsQrfFQ
— PFF (@PFF) September 24, 2020
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from https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-highest-graded-offensive-linemen-nfl-week-3
1. T ANDREW WHITWORTH, LOS ANGELES RAMS
Whitworth was drafted by the Cincinnati Bengals back in 2006 — the first season PFF began charting NFL games — and he is still performing at a high level at nearly 39 years old. He, along with most of the Rams’ offensive line, took a step back in 2019, but it’s a group that has been much improved to start this season. Whitworth has allowed just one quarterback hurry on 64 pass-blocking snaps through the first two weeks, and he has consistently moved people in the run game. His start to the 2020 season is night and day from what we saw from him early on in 2019.
PFF grades through first two weeks of the season
Season Snaps Pass-blocking grade Run-blocking grade
2019 143 68.6 61.2
2020 142 88.9 95.1The Rams are off to a hot start this season, and improved play from Whitworth and several other members of that offensive line — such as fellow bookend Rob Havenstein — is a big reason for that.
September 25, 2020 at 2:10 am #121684znModeratorThe OL is built to move more vertically and with double teams. Zone runs, especially outside zone, are lateral runs with tons of 1 on 1 situations. So they've add more double teams and some different styles of run. And when they do run zone, the OL is more physical pic.twitter.com/Zy8IGEN3hM
— Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) September 24, 2020
September 26, 2020 at 7:31 pm #121740znModeratorAndrew Whitworth: “You’ve seen what we talked about last year has come to fruition”
https://www.therams.com/news/andrew-whitworth-what-we-talked-about-last-year-has-come-to-fruition
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. – The Rams’ run game is back, which in turn is helping the passing attack and opening up the entire offense as a whole.
For any of that to happen, though, it requires a strong effort up front. Coincidentally, early returns on the 2020 version of Los Angeles’ offensive line are promising.
“You’ve seen what we talked about last year has come to fruition,” Andrew Whitworth, the most experienced member of the group, told reporters during a video conference Friday afternoon.
Statistically, the Rams are fifth in the NFL in total offense – ninth in passing and third in rushing.
From an analytics standpoint, the 38-year-old Whitworth’s 97 percent pass block win rate is good for sixth among all offensive tackles in the league, according to ESPN. As a team, the Rams have the seventh-best run block win rate, helped by two of those young players who gained experience last year: Austin Corbett, whose 77 percent run block win rate is fourth-highest among all NFL offensive guards, and Austin Blythe, whose 73 percent run block win rate is sixth among centers.
Amid all the injuries the Rams’ offensive line endured last year, Corbett and Blythe were bright spots. Blythe started at right guard, moved to left, then took over for Brian Allen at center after Allen’s season-ending knee injury in Week 10. That shuffling led to Corbett plugging the hole at left guard, and he showed enough there to retain a starting role, though at right guard instead. Blythe also retained his starting job at center.
“I mean, a lot of these guys that we believed in that were young, just had no experience, and you get out there and play in real games and get a little bit of trial by fire, and get out there and experience things, it started to come together the last part of the season last year,” Whitworth said. “The play got better and better.”
Whitworth sees that same toughness and physicality in second-year pro Edwards, who is now stepping in for Joe Noteboom (calf) following Noteboom’s placement on injured reserve. Like Corbett and Blythe, Edwards gained valuable experience as a rookie last year (six starts in 10 games) and is well-positioned to step into a starting role.
“Dave, that’s how he’s wired,” Whitworth said. “He’ll fit right in because that’s the style of football he’s used to playing at Wisconsin, that’s kind of the player he’s been when he’s stepped in for us, because that’s really the style he plays and what he’s best at. I expect him to step in and do well.”
Sunday presents perhaps the biggest challenge to date for Los Angeles’ offensive line, going up against a Buffalo defensive line that has contributed to the NFL’s No. 3 run defense and No. 5 total defense.
Pass this test, and it only further solidifies the progress that has been made.
“They really have,” McVay said, when asked how well the offensive line has been doing in the run game and limiting sacks through the first two weeks. “They’ve done an excellent job.”
October 1, 2020 at 4:39 pm #121987znModeratorfrom PFF: Ranking all 32 NFL offensive lines after Week 3 of the 2020 NFL season
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-week-3-2020-nfl-season
8. LOS ANGELES RAMS
Pressures allowed: 17
Rush yards before contact average: 2.1One of the stories of the young season so far has been the massive improvement of this group, which has almost determined the Rams’ fortunes over the past several years. When the line collapsed a season ago, so did any chance of the team going back to the Super Bowl.
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from https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2020/10/01/rams-offensive-line-offseason-plan-front-office/
At ESPN, the Rams are 13th in pass block win rate and third in run block win rate, which is a remarkable turnaround after seeing how poorly this unit was regarded last season.
But for them to jump back into the top 10 through three games makes the team a completely different animal. Andrew Whitworth remains ageless, still hammering out elite PFF grades despite closing in on his 39th birthday, while Rob Havenstein has had a much-needed bounceback to better play.
October 1, 2020 at 10:42 pm #122001InvaderRamModeratornot only did last year help the oline. in a weird way, i bet it helped goff out too. maybe quicken the process for him in terms of diagnosing a defense. decision making.
October 2, 2020 at 4:56 am #122011znModeratorThe Rams bet on their own offensive linemen this offseason, and it's paying off https://t.co/aTkm2qlvPn
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) October 1, 2020
October 2, 2020 at 12:46 pm #122024znModeratorWith no major changes to the OL, why is it performing at such a higher level than last year?
Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
This is a great question – and I’d first like to share the numbers that indicate success through the first three games for the Rams’ offensive line.No. 3 in run-block win rate, per ESPN analytics (73 percent).
No. 13 in pass block win rate (60 percent).
Goff has taken four sacks, but has faced just 18 pressures and five hurries (good teams are averaging approximately 11 pressures per game; Goff’s per-game average is six).
No. 3 in rushing (tied with Cleveland).
First, I think they have found the right combination of guys. No disrespect to left guard Joe Noteboom, who is now on short-term injured reserve with a second-grade calf strain, but David Edwards has that mauling presence so desired in a guard. Right tackle Rob Havenstein is playing much better this season than last (before his injury), center Austin Blythe has demonstrated real command, right guard Austin Corbett seems to be consistent so far and Andrew Whitworth still ranks among the best left tackles in football at age 38. And remember, this is a group that struggled last year largely because it couldn’t stay healthy and, on the interior, lacked the maturity that makes for a physical, knuckle-taped, spittin’-swearin’ unit.
“I think it’s just a product of how we felt toward the end of last year,” Blythe said. “You know, everybody is the same guys they were last year, so it’s really just kind of building on the continuity that we were able to get a little bit of last year, toward the end of the year, and just build on that.”
Second, for the most part, they linemen showed up in shape, and with the mindset of being as physical as possible in all phases. And if some weren’t quite ready to go, the way training-camp practices were structured got them where they needed to be.
“I think we’re tougher up front,” McVay said. “I think we’re stronger. I think we’re bigger, inside-out. I think we’ve got some guys back that are healthy. (Strength coach) Justin Lovett came in and established a really good strength and conditioning program. The guys (are) pushing one another. I think there’s been a little bit of the ‘iron sharpens iron’ with how much competitive work we’ve been able to do with the way that camp was set up, where you’re going ‘good on good’ (ones-on-ones). Our offensive guys against the defensive guys and O-line, D-line. I think both those groups have really challenged one another and made each other better.”
Now, all they have to do is stay healthy.
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