I like PA’s 2 long shots…. Quick and Jenkins….. but I’m not sure a QB like Foles can make Quick elite……..

bnw wrote:

<P>With the impending move to LA I have zero optimism.</P>

be hopeful…….The last time the RAMS moved to LA, they won the NFL Title during a lame duck season in Cleveland….

Finished career with 30 fumbles and 54 interceptions.

that’s a lot of friggin turnovers……..9 of the 30 fumbles were recovered by the defense, he might need Tom Brady’s ball boys…..

More stuff: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737484/sean-mannion

Strengths Weaknesses
STRENGTHS: Tall with an adequate build…keeps his shoulders square to the line of scrimmage with a natural over-the-top delivery…adequate arm strength when stepping into his throws, controlling his ball speed well…improved footwork and base to create the framework to get the most out of his arm…sees the field well to scan and make precise reads in his drops…accurate deep ball thrower with terrific touch on bucket tosses.

Not afraid to test small windows and gives his man a chance to attack the ball…tough and bounces back after hits…shy personality, but in full control of the offense…calm and always appears under control, getting his teammates lined up correctly and making checks at the line…develops strong chemistry and feel with his targets, which stems from his practice habits…son of a high school head coach and carries himself like a professional, leading by example with natural leadership intangibles.

Strong football resume as a four year starter and first three-year captain in school history (43 career starts), owning 18 Oregon State passing records, including career touchdown throws (83)…holds the Pac-12 career record for passing yards (13,600).

WEAKNESSES: Struggles to consistently drive the ball if he doesn’t step into his throws or have a firm base, struggling to add juice or adjust his trajectory…improved footwork and pocket maneuverability but neither are a strength as he struggles to re-set his eyes once moved from his spot…experienced with his three, five and seven step drops, but sluggish with his depth.

Struggles to recognize the blitz and doesn’t do enough after the snap to evade pressure, failing to speed up his process…hesitant when the pocket shows cracks and looks like a deer in headlights…holds the ball too long with a suspect internal clock that can be read with a sun dial…tends to telegraph his throws, staring down his targets…pre-determines passes and makes puzzling decisions that end with too many defenders at the other end of his passes…doesn’t have the mobility to improvise or keep plays alive, needing to slow himself and set his feet before pushing the ball.

Load-up delivery isn’t a glaring issue, but he lacks an efficient release with small hands…lean with room to add muscle mass on his frame…loses confidence too easily, causing poor ball placement and keeping him from processing what he sees quick enough when things go downhill…not the same quarterback without Brandin Cooks as his safety valve…career 46.4% passer on 3rd down attempts with a 21-16 TD-INT ratio.

In Our View: Mannion has an attractive resume as a four-year starter with impressive production in a pro-style offense. He has adequate arm strength and accuracy, but isn’t above average in either category as the ball doesn’t shoot off his hand. Mannion is too methodical with his movements and tends to deteriorate when the pocket crumbles, struggling with his pocket awareness, internal clock and improvising skills, which is a recipe for disaster in the NFL.

He is a high character human being with exceptional make-up and intangibles – teams will never have to worry about him off the field or not putting in enough work. Mannion has shown promise over his career, but tends to be too careless with his decisions and lacks the consistency against pressures to be a consistent NFL starter. If he can learn how to speed up his process for the NFL level, Mannion can carve out a Shaun Hill type of career, but if he doesn’t, his career will likely follow a Tony Pike-like path.

–Dane Brugler

Player Overview
A four-star quarterback recruit out of high school, Mannion committed to Oregon State as a junior in high school because of the Beavers’ coaching staff and the offense was similar to what he ran in high school.

After redshirting in 2010, Mannion beat out incumbent starter Ryan Katz (who later transferred) as a redshirt freshman, passing for 3,328 yards, which was third best in school history at the time. He showed improvement in 2012 as a sophomore, but missed a few games due to a knee injury and Cody Vaz did a nice job in relief and didn’t concede the job when Mannion returned healthy. However, Mannion beat out Vaz and was named the starter for the 2013 season opener and had a record-breaking year, passing for a Pac-12 record 4,662 yards with a 37-15 TD-INT ratio, earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention honors.

With Brandin Cooks leaving early for the NFL Draft, Mannion’s production dipped as a senior in 2014, including a career-low 263.7 yards per start, 62.3% completions and only 15 passing scores. He won the 2014 Manning Passing Academy Air-It-Out Challenge in July 2014 and served as a counselor at the Nike Elite 11 quarterback Camp, winning the counselor’s challenge. He earned an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl.

Go Warriors!!!! It’s been 40 years since the Warriors won a championship, it’s been a remarkable season for the Golden State….

BTW…..I was talking to my boss from France who lived in Houston and is pulling for the Rockets…. he thought that Golden State was based in New Jersey…….. they’re moving to San Francisco soon, I hope they keep Golden State as their name.

Zooey wrote:

I am glad my name is not Chase Goodbread.</P>

me too, but it might be better than Todd Gurley…..

Stars that are stars because of cheating.

I’d be pissed if I was Joe Flacco and the Ravens….forget about the Championship game, but the divisional game when you lose a game that close, a ball 20% reduced in size makes a huge difference.

Imagine a pitcher throwing a ball 20% smaller or a basketball team using a ball 20% smaller HUGE ADVANTAGE.

Folks need to remember, the reason Brady is a star is because of his Super Bowl victories, 3 victories at the aid of Spy Gate in games decided by 3 points. I’ve stated this dozens of times, it only takes 1 3rd down stop to win a game by 3 points……and when you know the plays being called because of SpyGate it’s a huge advantage….

Now games decided by using a ball 20% smaller in size.

This guy should not have gotten past the Tuck Rule in 2001, but clearly cheating has made him a star….

i’m sorry to hear the news ……..RIP Thordaddy.

The Greg Cosell Article: URL – http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/greg-cosell-s-draft-review–three-teams-whose-drafts-i-liked-195814345.html

He liked Jags, Saints and Rams:

Only the Rams portion below……

RAMS:

St. Louis Rams

I liked the Rams draft more because they have a clear plan and stuck to it in the draft.

The Rams drafted with a specific purpose in mind. They want to be a power-running football team and play great defense behind that. Their entire draft followed that plan.

They drafted running back Todd Gurley (I thought he was a top-three prospect in the draft) and match him with Tre Mason, who I thought was the best back in last year’s class. So they’re set there. The selection of Gurley was clearly a pick where their plan and their draft board matched up. Their pick of quarterback Sean Mannion in the third round fits their plan; I think Mannion can only play in a system where the run game is the foundation relying heavily on play action. Then four of their first seven picks were offensive linemen who were all similar.

Rob Haverstein of Wisconsin might not have been a second-round pick on every team’s board, but he fits what the Rams want to do. He is a a road-grading right tackle in the run game. If that’s the style you’re going to play, then he’s your guy.

Jamon Brown, at 323 pounds, was a tackle at Louisville but he’ll play guard in the NFL. Iowa tackle Andrew Donnal, a 313-pound fourth-round pick, can play guard too. In the sixth round the Rams took Fresno State guard Cody Wichmann, who is not an athlete but a 315-pound mauler. He fits what they want to do.

The Rams told you in their draft how they want to play football. That’s why I don’t get into the criticisms like, “There were better players on the board!” Not to the Rams there weren’t; their picks fit the exact style they want to play.

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NFL analyst and NFL Films senior producer Greg Cosell watches as much NFL game film as anyone. Throughout the season, Cosell will join Shutdown Corner to share his observations on the teams, schemes and personnel from around the league.

it took Payton 9 NFL seasons to experience the 85 Bears… he was drafted by Chicago in the mid 70’s when they were the “Bad News Bears” Jack Pardee was still learning to coach… coincidentally, years later….Fisher replaced Pardee in Houston….

I was hoping for Andrus Peat from Stanford or some type of OLine protection…. i’m confused with this pick especially with Tre Mason in the backfield and the holes in the offensive line…

i’m “disheartened” because Sam Bradford is gone…… he played very well right before his last 2 knee injuries….This might be the first time since 1997 that I do not get Sunday Tix and just go with “Game Rewind” because they might have a Tony Banks QB situation with Nick Foles…… I’ll wait and see what I feel in September when it’s time to renew Sunday Tix…..

In regards to the move, I was on the Save the Rams committee snail mail list in 1994 (before the internet was widely available).

I was sad to see the RAMS move, I mean how could a team from LA, rich in tradition, move to STL?????, but when I saw those Ram helmets in a preseason game vs the Raiders as the ST LOUIS Rams, I still found myself rooting for the team…. also, when the internet was made available, the fans on the Post Dispatch message board kept me engaged… Thanks to HAPPY4LA, GRITS, TONYDE, DAVEL, BARF, XACH WVRAM, RFIP, and all the early adopters of the Rams social network to keep me engaged and accept the St Louis Rams….. i think starting off 5-0 in 1995 helped…………then, Ken Norton punched the goal post and the 4 year spiral began………

• This reply was modified 9 years, 10 months ago by joemad.

bnw –

I’m shocked too. Turner Field was an excellent ballpark each time I was there. I wonder why they would want to rebuild so soon?

Turner field was built in part to support the 96 Olympic games…. Turner field does not have a good parking in downtown ATL.The new stadium will be built outside of ATL.

I remember the “Launching Pad” (Fulton County stadium) more so than the Turner field. In part because the Braves were on TBS almost everyday during baseball season. the Braves had the biggest friggin homers doing play-by-play baseball games on TV when their biggest stars were Dale Murphy and Bob Horner…..

What would your NFC WEST QB ranking look like?

Russell Wilson
Kaepernik
Carson Palmer
Foles

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that’s pretty fair…..

what about the NFC East?

Romo
Sam
Eli
RGIII or the Cuz?

I love watching these old games…..

The NFL Network should replay more games from this era……..

artificial turf is a bummer….., but given that California is in it’s 4th straight year of drought, i’m ok with carpet for now…….

URL = http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/03/19/all-22-what-to-expect-from-sam-bradford/?all=1

Before Sam Bradford had fielded the first question, he smiled, looked around and offered up an observation.

“It’s already more people than in St. Louis,” he said to a roomful of reporters at the NovaCare Complex.

When a quarterback is taken with the No. 1 overall pick, the expectation is that he’ll make it to the second contract with the team that drafted him. But that expectation does not always become reality. Bradford started 49 games in five seasons with the Rams. He’s been on the field for just seven games in the past two seasons, and the last time Bradford took a meaningful snap was 17 months ago.

But two ACL injuries did not dissuade Chip Kelly from making a move for the former Heisman Trophy winner.

“I think we had some inside information because [offensive coordinator] Pat Shurmur had the opportunity to coach the kid for a year [in St. Louis], so he knows what he’s like in the meeting room, and he knows what he is like on a daily basis. He knows the consistency that comes with him, and he understands his work ethic. He’s an unbelievable competitor.

“I talked to the people who have been around him who were his coaches in the NFL and who were his coaches in college. Kevin Wilson is now the head coach at Indiana and was his offensive coordinator [at Oklahoma]. I talked to Kevin about him. I talked to [Oklahoma head coach] Bob Stoops about him. The kid is wired right. He’s a competitor.”

But did Kelly make a wise gamble, giving up on Nick Foles, parting with a 2016 second-round pick and taking on $12.895 million in salary for 2015?

WHAT DOES KELLY SEE IN HIM?

Take a look at Bradford’s career stats, and there’s not a whole lot to be impressed about. He’s completed 58.6 percent of his passes, averaged 6.3 YPA, thrown 59 touchdowns and been intercepted 38 times. Among the 26 active quarterbacks who have attempted at least 1,700 passes, Bradford is the only one who has averaged under 6.5 YPA.

Only Matt Cassel, Mark Sanchez and Bradford have completed under 59 percent of their passes and averaged less than 6.9 YPA. That’s obviously not great company.

But the one number that stands out is 2.2 percent. That’s Bradford’s interception rate. Only Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady have posted a better mark among active QBs with at least 1,500 attempts. Throughout his career, Bradford has proven to be a good decision-maker who takes care of the football.

There’s been a lot of talk this offseason about the effect Kelly’s scheme can have on quarterbacks. Sanchez, for example, completed 56.3 percent of his passes and averaged 6.7 YPA with the Jets. In nine games with the Eagles, those numbers jumped to 64.1 percent and 7.8. But Sanchez’s interception rate was nearly identical (3.7 percent with the Jets; 3.6 with the Eagles).

The hope for Eagles fans is that Bradford will see a Sanchez-like jump in the first two numbers and maintain his low interception rate. If the quarterback in Kelly’s system can take care of the football, perhaps scheme can help with the rest.

“I think any QB in this league would love to play for Chip and his offense,” Bradford said. “It’s extremely QB-friendly. In the tape that I’ve watched, it looks like it’s a lot of fun to play in, and I think it’s similar to what I did in college at Oklahoma. So I’m extremely excited to be here, and I’m ready to get rolling.”

What specifically is QB-friendly about it?

“The way they set up progressions, the way the ball comes out of your hands, the way they deal with protections the run game,” Bradford continued. “Like I said, I haven’t gone into too many details. It’s only been from what I’ve seen, but from what I’ve seen it looks like everything goes through the quarterback. What do you like? How do you see things? And then they’re going to tailor it from there. They’re never going to put you in a bad situation where you have nowhere to go with the ball, and you’re standing back there holding onto the ball for five seconds.”

Bradford possesses the “repetitive accuracy” Kelly is looking for, even if the numbers don’t always show it. In 2013, Bradford completed a career high 60.7 percent of his passes. Per Pro Football Focus, the Rams had 21 drops that year, and eight balls were batted at the line of scrimmage.

Many of Bradford’s throws were shallow crossers, screens, check-downs and slants. Per PFF, just 45.9 percent of Bradford’s passing yards were through the air. That ranked 40th out of 41 quarterbacks. Put more simply, 54.1 percent of his passing yards were accounted for by receivers after the catch.

Bradford did show the ability to fit the ball into tight windows. Here’s an example where he squeezes one in between Falcons defenders.

And a similar play here against the Cowboys:

He does a good job with ball placement too, here getting it past the diving linebacker, but still in a place where the receiver can make the grab:

Accuracy and decision-making. The guess here is that those are the two traits Kelly saw on tape when deciding whether or not to make a play for Bradford.

CAN HE GET IT DOWNFIELD?

The 2013 Rams offense was the definition of dink and dunk. Per PFF, only 8.4 percent of Bradford’s passes traveled 20+ yards downfield. That ranked 37th out of 40 quarterbacks. Remember last year when it seemed like the Eagles never went downfield once Sanchez took over? Even then, 12 percent of Sanchez’s passes went 20+ yards downfield.

Overall, 133 of Bradford’s 159 completions in 2013 (83.6 percent) came within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage.

But much of the Eagles’ offense the past two years has been about chucking it downfield. They see a lot of single-high looks, and defenses have had to respect the run game. In 2014, the Eagles’ passing game produced 63 plays of 20+ yards, third in the league. In 2013, that number was 80, tops in the NFL.

It’s fair to wonder whether Bradford can push the ball downfield effectively in this offense.

The tape suggests he can. Bradford’s 40.9 percent accuracy mark (PFF) was middle of the pack (21st out of 40). But he shows good touch and doesn’t miss a lot of wide-open guys downfield when he has time in the pocket.

Here, against the Panthers, Bradford steps up in the pocket and unloads a beautiful bomb on the post. The ball travels about 50 yards through the air and hits the receiver in stride:

Here against the Jaguars, Bradford looks off the middle-of-the-field safety and drops one in the bucket down the right sideline:

Both the plays above came off play-action. For some reason, with Bradford, the Rams only used play-action on 19 percent of their passes, per PFF. That ranked 26th out of 41 quarterbacks. But his numbers on those throws were really good – 65.4 percent completions, 9.7 YPA. Bradford’s 111.5 passer rating off play-action in 2013 ranked seventh.

The Eagles are a big play-action team. And Bradford should get plenty of more opportunities to lure defenders up with play-fakes before taking shots downfield.

Questioning whether Bradford’s lack of deep attempts in St. Louis was his fault or offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer’s fault is fair. In 2013, after Kellen Clemens took over, the Rams still were mostly dink and dunk. Just 10.3 percent of Clemens’ passes went 20+ yards downfield (33rd).

But in 2014, Austin Davis ranked 12th in that category (13.7 percent), and Shaun Hill ranked 16th (12.7 percent). Perhaps the Rams made an effort to push the ball downfield more in 2014, or maybe the specific quarterbacks just liked to take more shots.

On tape, there were not a lot of instances where Bradford had guys open downfield and checked it down. But he also didn’t seem like much of a risk-taker either.

WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST CONCERNS?

The biggest issue here is whether Bradford can stay healthy.

“I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t going to be a little nervous the first time I stepped on the field,” Bradford said. “I think anyone who has gone through what I’ve gone through will be a little nervous to step back on the field, but I’m sure once I get out there and the bullets start flying, when I take that first it, I’ll probably shake it off and I’ll be just fine.

“The second time around, it was probably harder mentally than it was physically. To put all the work in to come back and to be ready, I felt like I was playing at a very high level in training camp last year. To have that all taken away again, there was a brief period of time where I really wasn’t sure that I wanted to go through it again. I went home, kind of cleared my head for a week and realized that there’s no way that football can not be a part of my life.”

On the field, the biggest concern is one that applies to many quarterbacks: reacting to pressure.

In many of the clips above, Bradford had a nice, clean pocket. When that’s the case, he can be very effective. But when things start to break down around him, the results are often disastrous.

According to PFF, Bradford completed just 38.8 percent of his attempts and averaged 5.0 YPA in 2013 when pressured. Granted, every QB’s numbers are going to go down when pressured, but those are particularly ugly.

On tape, a couple things stand out. One, Bradford has very little escapability. Russell Wilson, for example, gets more dangerous the longer he holds onto the ball. The opposite is true for Bradford. His attempts to extend plays and get away from pressure often lead to negative results.

Here against the 49ers, it looks like there’s a giant lane to take off and scramble. Bradford tries that, and the edge defender closes quickly for the sack:

Here against the Cardinals, he clumsily reacts to pressure, tries to take off and loses the football:

While Bradford’s interception rate is excellent, he’s fumbled 27 times in 49 games.

The feel for navigating the pocket just isn’t there at times. Here against Jacksonville, it looks like Bradford initially has a clean pocket, but he shuffles right into the left tackle who’s getting pushed back, trips and takes a sack:

Greg Cosell and other analysts often talk about making plays inside and outside of structure. With Bradford, it’s never good when he gets outside of structure.

Even when he gets passes off, pressure really affects Bradford’s accuracy and decision-making. And eight batted passes in seven games for a 6-foot-4 quarterback is concerning.

Here against the 49ers, he has a defender in his face and is nearly picked off.

Against Dallas, the right guard gets walked back into his face, and Bradford sails one for the interception.

When the pocket is clean, and Bradford can get rid of the ball in a timely manner, he’s pretty good. When receivers are covered or protection breaks down, he’s a mess.

OVERALL

Bradford played in a spread offense at Oklahoma and sees some similarities to what the Eagles do.

“I think making quick decisions, getting the ball out of your hands,” he said. “A lot of the run-pass options are similar to what we did in college. Obviously not me running the football, but the running backs with some of the quick game and then pushing the ball down the field and play-action. There’s just a lot of carry-over to what we did at Oklahoma. And I think my skill set fits that perfectly.”

The good news? Through two years, Kelly’s scheme has produced far more open receivers than Bradford saw with the Rams. Bradford’s completion percentage and YPA should jump in this offense. If he can stay healthy and continue to make good decisions, the Eagles might have something. Bradford threw 13 touchdowns and no interceptions in the red zone in 2013. And he had a 112.4 passer rating against the blitz.

The bad news? With Jeremy Maclin gone, the Eagles have an unimpressive group of pass-catchers. And if they suffer injuries or decline on the offensive line, things could get ugly with Bradford.

From an athleticism standpoint, he ran a 4.79 coming out of Oklahoma. But in the NFL, Bradford has not been a threat to make plays with his legs. He had one 23-yard scramble in 2013, but ran for just 8 yards on his other 14 attempts. On designed rollouts and bootlegs, he’s fine. But don’t expect Bradford to keep the ball much on zone reads.

There’s no guarantee that Bradford is in Philadelphia after the draft. Given his salary and injury history, there are obvious risks. But Kelly clearly saw enough to pull the trigger on last week’s deal and believes Bradford can resurrect his career in a new home.

“I think that I have a lot to prove,” Bradford said. “I have a lot to prove to everyone in this building. I think Coach Kelly took a leap of faith bringing me here. Obviously he believes in me, and now it is time to prove to everyone else in this building that I belong here.

“I’ve had [football] taken away from me twice in the past two years. And I think when something’s taken away from you, you really realize how much you love it.”