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  • October 7, 2014 at 10:52 am in reply to: Rams cut Ray Ray Armstrong #9275
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    The bummer for the Rams is if this wakes Ray Ray up and he ends up getting it for another team.

    October 5, 2014 at 9:23 pm in reply to: Austin Davis #9172
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    375 yards and 3 TD’s no INTs I’ll take it considering Long,Joseph ,Wells and Barksdale all turned loose 300lbs. men with bad intentions I will give him the pass. Just consider the result had Hill or Bradford been behind that disgrace of a OL.Bradford alone would be out till 2020 after today!

    October 5, 2014 at 4:40 pm in reply to: Reaction to the Eagles game thread #9112
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    Yeah the comeback was great Quick is really going off this year but sloppy undisciplined play dug a massive hole

    October 5, 2014 at 11:49 am in reply to: Rams Addiction podcast #9096
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    Yes it works. I’m not really a fan of these guys.This one is IMO their worst yet. The make some decent
    points but some of the guest’s segments are pretty lame

    October 3, 2014 at 3:30 pm in reply to: detailed breakdown of Rams from Eagles perspectives (with pictures!!) (!) #9000
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    Wow very detailed, I like it! Two Qbs shown from vikes game.#14 was Hill.

    October 2, 2014 at 12:27 pm in reply to: Fisher names Davis the starter going forward #8890
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    Maybe this new flexibility in Fishers approach is the shift we’ve been waiting for. Like in 99 when DV changed his coaching methods to a more modern approach. One thing I am certain about ,Hill is the better back up. He has the experience to come in cold and do the job.

    September 29, 2014 at 11:34 am in reply to: informal poll #8675
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    Easy home recipe take 22 and divide by 7. It goes on for ever so there is plenty for everybody.

    September 27, 2014 at 2:43 pm in reply to: informal poll #8595
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    September 26, 2014 at 12:25 pm in reply to: Austin Davis #8526
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    zn wrote:

    Once he had one week of preparation he looked better than Hill.

    Where we disagree is there. I don’t think he looked better than Hill, and if anything, Hill looked as good under far more disadvantageous conditions.

    I also think Hill would have looked just as good as Davis once the advantages kicked in.

    Like–a line better in sync, the WRs not making as many mistakes like play-killing penalties, and a running game. Plus of course the Vikes defense is better than the next 2 defenses the Rams played.

    I do believe Hill would have looked just as good with those advantages in games 2 and 3. What I have doubts about is whether Davis would have looked as good in game 1 with those disadvantages, even with prep time with the 1s.

    If nothing else that’s just experience. The more experienced Hill was good in bad circumstances.

    But when you boil down his play, no, Davis did not look better to me than he did. In fact I was impressed by Hill in game 1. I said so right after the game, and that was when I still thought the INT was on HIM (later we found out he was hurt so trying to throw out of bounds on just one leg and so without the power he needed. So now I attribute the INT to the injury.)

    I also think Bradford held his own under bad conditions too. His sack rate and efficiency were both good even in bad circumstances. I can only imagine how well Bradford would be playing now if he had the 2014 offense to work with.

    But my challenge to everyone is still this: watch the 2nd half of the Vikes game again and see again how bad Davis was IN TERMS OF POCKET PRESENCE. Then, figure out why he improved dramatically in a week. Whatever it is, it won’t be him alone–it can’t be. Then apply those lessons to other qbs. If AD needed a lot to change to become a better pocket presence type, what does that tell us about the entire pocket presence issue.

    Your doing it again ZN, minimizing preparation.Davis’ preparation is not him alone of course it’s the syncing up with the whole team. Coming in cold is a very difficult way to start and judging Davis on one half of ball when he was obviously overwhelmed is not a realistic judgment even though his numbers were better than Hill’s or Cassel’s.I think the way he came back after that experience says more about him than the cold start does. Hill has now stated he was injured before the Int.so I can’t give him a pass on that decision. I thought he did well but he did look slow to me.I don’t think anyone put the Wr penalties on Hill or Davis they got the ball there and it was caught so that is a bit of a red herring .I can see Davis improving and I sure Hill is not on that side of his career.

    September 26, 2014 at 10:57 am in reply to: Austin Davis #8520
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    zn wrote:

    wv wrote:
    Well, you always seem to dismiss any ‘pocket presense’
    or ‘pocket attributes’ stuff.

    Do you not think some QBs have better
    “pocket attributes” (for laack of a better term)
    than others?

    No I don’t dismiss that. I just thought that when it came to Bradford, the issue was exaggerated. In fact, badly exaggerated.

    Of course you have to have some physical and mental pre-reqs to play qb.

    But then explain the difference between his miserable, sack-taking lack of PP in game 1 versus the improved version in game 2.

    Davis himself said it came from listening to coaches, who stressed all week that he needed to stay in rhythm, drop plant and throw.

    Now to do THAT he needed to trust the receivers, which to a large extent, he can and does.

    Plus the looking downfield while moving thing. You know for a couple of years there that was one big complaint about Davis…that he DIDN’T do that. Then this summer he started doing it. That HAS TO come from coaches finally drilling it in.

    I just believe something Warner says, in interview after interview. He said it when Bulger was the qb, and he said it when Bradford was the qb. He said that he knew from experience that oftentimes, things that are put on the qb are really the context around him. He said that the average viewer just cannot see these things. Now granted you have to be able to play the position, but then, think of the advantages Davis had that were simply not there in game one:

    * coaches had not seen him live under real fire before, and they saw flaws they corrected

    * the receivers in game one kept ruining drives with mistakes and penalties…that decreased after game 1

    * plus the receivers are better than they have been in years

    * the OL in game 1 was CLEARLY out of sync, and got better

    * they found the running game

    * he got the reps with the #1s in practice

    * the coaches gameplanned around HIM, instead of around someone else

    You add all those things together, and Davis–who was the exact same guy with only one week’s difference–went from looking REALLY bad in game one to looking pretty good to darn good in games 2 and 3.

    Of course he had to be able to play. If you or I had all those advantages and improvements, we still wouldn’t look like Davis in games 2 and 3.

    But if you ask how and why a guy can go from looking that bad one week and much better the next, a LOT of it is the play around him, and the coaching.

    Warner himself says that kind of thing, over and over. He should know–he did NOT look good in NY and then things got righted in ARZ.

    And no I do not think AD has superior pocket sense to Bradford or Hill. I think they are all about equal, and if anything Hill is somewhat better. I think what happened was, AD got put in a better position. Lots of things came together at the same time.

    If anything I would rate Hill higher because he was showing good pocket sense under much worse conditions.

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    I have to disagree with you here ZN . Not that the list isn’t factual but it does IMO minimize the major reason for the improvement . Numbers 1,6 and 7 are to me anyway the same thing.Hill took reps with the 1’s throughout the preseason and for 10 days leading up to game one. He should be way ahead of Davis who was 4th string at one time during the preseason. Hill looked good and he should with all the preparation.Davis got thrown in totally unprepared by coaching having never played with these guys. Once he had one week of preparation he looked better than Hill. After two weeks he looked even better.Of course he could come back to Earth like many do or he could continue to ascend like a few of them have. I see great pocket awareness with Davis. I haven’t seen enough of Hill to say but,Bradford’s was not good at all for the early years and I just haven’t seen enough of him lately because he can’t stay on the field

    September 26, 2014 at 1:10 am in reply to: Fisher #8492
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    Winnbrad wrote:

    People are impatient. They’re forgetting how far this team has had to come since 2011. The stench from that season still lingers with me. The team we have now is far superior to anything we’ve seen in several years.

    It’s not that I forgot,it’s just that it’s easier to watch a team you know is not very good lose and look for the development of younger players and the occasional upset but when you know a team has the talent to win and they don’t that’s pretty tough. The players were mad at themselves after this last one. The thing that’s getting to me about Fisher is the lack of urgency,it’s like it takes him half the season to finally get going and in this division it will be all but over by then.

    September 24, 2014 at 1:52 am in reply to: RamView, 9/21/2014: Cowboys 34, Rams 31 (Long) #8366
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    I don’t know, I’ve just finished watching that play many times and Fisher’s answer makes no sense to me. I don’t see anyway Saffold
    can get there. I think it was a shitty shitty play. I’m tired of Fisher saying this guy was supposed to do this or that. Fisher’s responsibility after 3 freaking years is to make sure his players know what and how to what they are asked. He picked these guys he coached these guys for 3 yrs if they can’t execute it’s on Fisher at this point.

    September 22, 2014 at 4:56 am in reply to: Anybody want to defend this defense? #8195
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    14 of the 21 points were a direct result of turnovers ,Jenks pick 6 and Ogletree’s strip of Murray

    September 21, 2014 at 11:38 pm in reply to: I think Davis solidfied his hold on the number one job today. #8158
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    zn wrote:

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Eternal Ramnation wrote:</div>

    zn wrote:

    Eternal Ramnation wrote:

    zn wrote:
    He managed the game well for most of 4 quarters. Made some nice plays. He was one of the reasons they were ahead.

    He’s not the reason they got behind.

    But.

    If there’s one thing I put HEAVILY on the qb, it’s performance in crunch time, at the end of games when they are down but can win.

    Under those conditions he threw 2 INTs.

    That either means he doesn’t have it, or is still raw and young and making crucial mistakes.

    To let him off the hook for that is not being objective, IMO.

    What I am most interested in, though, in these discussions is a genuinely open and objective comparison of the 2 qbs–that is, THEIR PLAY. Not their bios, or how they are on the sideline, and so on. Their PLAY. If someone can’t do that it’s only because they have not seen enough of both players to actually compare them.

    I have nothing against Davis and am happy to be objective about both qbs.

    However, I think what actually happened is–Davis did nothing to take the #1 spot away from Hill.

    If Hill can’t come through then it’s back to Davis.

    Wasn’t Hill’s last throw a clutch situation ?

    Hill was injured, ER. Tried to throw it out of bounds but because of the quad, didn’t have the heft to do it.

    And no, I was specifically talking about end of the game comebacks. Not “clutch situations” in general. Heck before the 2010 draft, I went back to check the boxscores on all of Bradford’s games where they were in 4th quarter comeback situations. That was part of what I talked about with him, back then. This has always been important to me. It’s the time in a game when the most is put on a qb’s passing.

    I think Bradford is at his best in the comeback situations so was Bulger but I don’t remember Warner ever making a successful comeback. A number of times Warner did take back the lead and his D didn’t hold so he didn’t get the W.Does the throw to Pettis against the Bucs that set up the game winning FG meets your criteria?

    You;re right…Bulger and Bradford were both better at comebacks than Warner. And it wasn’t just the times the D didn’t hold up.But Warner had plenty going for him, more than enough to compensate for that.

    Yes the Bux game counts but then that’s 1-1 in comeback situations. And in those situations, in the Dallas game, he is the one who made the critical errors. It’s not just that they didn’t get the win…he was the one who threw the INTs.

    The point of my comment initially was, he deserves criticism for some things. We all saw what he did well. But he still deserves criticims for some things..like throwing 2 INTs in the final 5 minutes. It seems to me that we’re not being reasonably objective unless we count that in the tally. Seems a bit of a blindspot to not mention it. I like to keep an even keel talking about qbs, myself. So for example in 2007 when the OL was a complete shambles yet many were blaming Bulger for everything, I would point out that no qb can play well if his OL were THAT messed up. Similarly, on the other side, I thought Davis did well today…he was certainly not the reason they got behind. But, he threw 2 INTs in the final five minutes when they had a chance to regain the lead.

    If you went around the net after a game where either Bulger or Bradford (or even at some points Warner) threw 2 INTs in those circumstances, do you think people would overlook it?

    Nope it would be and should be part of the equation but Hill’s part in the INT shouldn’t be overlooked either.If he was
    injured on that play I have to weigh the possibility Davis’ superior mobility prevents him getting injured there. If Hill was
    injured before that play not coming out of the game was a poor decision that needs to be added to his side of the equation.
    Hill’s 0 for 0 in comebacks is not an advantage it’s a liability . Davis has improved so fast taking the starters reps putting Hill back at the starting position will slow that way down .I don’t see Hill getting any better at this point, his skills are in decline. I just don’t think it’s a good decision but I do think it is what Fisher does

    September 21, 2014 at 8:35 pm in reply to: I think Davis solidfied his hold on the number one job today. #8117
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    zn wrote:

    Eternal Ramnation wrote:

    zn wrote:
    He managed the game well for most of 4 quarters. Made some nice plays. He was one of the reasons they were ahead.

    He’s not the reason they got behind.

    But.

    If there’s one thing I put HEAVILY on the qb, it’s performance in crunch time, at the end of games when they are down but can win.

    Under those conditions he threw 2 INTs.

    That either means he doesn’t have it, or is still raw and young and making crucial mistakes.

    To let him off the hook for that is not being objective, IMO.

    What I am most interested in, though, in these discussions is a genuinely open and objective comparison of the 2 qbs–that is, THEIR PLAY. Not their bios, or how they are on the sideline, and so on. Their PLAY. If someone can’t do that it’s only because they have not seen enough of both players to actually compare them.

    I have nothing against Davis and am happy to be objective about both qbs.

    However, I think what actually happened is–Davis did nothing to take the #1 spot away from Hill.

    If Hill can’t come through then it’s back to Davis.

    Wasn’t Hill’s last throw a clutch situation ?

    Hill was injured, ER. Tried to throw it out of bounds but because of the quad, didn’t have the heft to do it.

    And no, I was specifically talking about end of the game comebacks. Not “clutch situations” in general. Heck before the 2010 draft, I went back to check the boxscores on all of Bradford’s games where they were in 4th quarter comeback situations. That was part of what I talked about with him, back then. This has always been important to me. It’s the time in a game when the most is put on a qb’s passing.

    I think Bradford is at his best in the comeback situations so was Bulger but I don’t remember Warner ever making a successful comeback. A number of times Warner did take back the lead and his D didn’t hold so he didn’t get the W.Does the throw to Pettis against the Bucs that set up the game winning FG meets your criteria?

    September 21, 2014 at 6:32 pm in reply to: I think Davis solidfied his hold on the number one job today. #8099
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    zn wrote:

    He managed the game well for most of 4 quarters. Made some nice plays. He was one of the reasons they were ahead.

    He’s not the reason they got behind.

    But.

    If there’s one thing I put HEAVILY on the qb, it’s performance in crunch time, at the end of games when they are down but can win.

    Under those conditions he threw 2 INTs.

    That either means he doesn’t have it, or is still raw and young and making crucial mistakes.

    To let him off the hook for that is not being objective, IMO.

    What I am most interested in, though, in these discussions is a genuinely open and objective comparison of the 2 qbs–that is, THEIR PLAY. Not their bios, or how they are on the sideline, and so on. Their PLAY. If someone can’t do that it’s only because they have not seen enough of both players to actually compare them.

    I have nothing against Davis and am happy to be objective about both qbs.

    However, I think what actually happened is–Davis did nothing to take the #1 spot away from Hill.

    If Hill can’t come through then it’s back to Davis.

    Wasn’t Hill’s last throw a clutch situation ?

    September 21, 2014 at 4:07 pm in reply to: This is what happens to teams that are poorly coached. #8073
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    I think St.louis can relax LA doesn’t want this soul sucking vortex of loss

    September 19, 2014 at 10:11 pm in reply to: Donald #7963
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    https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/DCB407468D1124403740154245120_2b1b9d6e59e.5.1.11873628362081608767.mp4?versionId=eLI.hnYZlBfd6jZ08pWQ46oaeLd6hGb6

    I’m running Windows 7 and Google’s Chrome browser and it plays instantly. A nice clip of Donald’s TFL on the rb in the backfield. The guy is a blur and he’s getting better every game out.The Rams have their problems but drafting Donald is sure not one of them

    September 11, 2014 at 2:15 am in reply to: Shall we talk draft? The vikes game post-mortem #6912
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    I can’t stand the guy. It’s almost like he’s happy about recent events.I took some advice from Steve Savard who is a lot brighter than I gave him credit for. He said go back and watch it again. This time with no unrealistic expectations it didn’t look near as bad.There is some good stuff there. I didn’t mind Shotty’s play calling but the design of the TA plays still bother me.Both Gaines and Donald are going to be good to great.TJ is looking good.Quick is on his way. Hill was trying to get rid of the ball and didn’t have the legs to get it there.Up until that point he was doing good. The D held AP in check and how do you practice for stopping Patterson? Obviously you have to wrap up and hold on your not going to throw him down with arm tackles but the dude is a freakish runner who will continue to scorch many teams this year.

    September 9, 2014 at 12:58 am in reply to: Was anyone surprised? #6721
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    Ya know I thought and thought about it , how to describe the Rams play and I finally got it
    The Rams looked like a NFL team trying to play without a coach

    September 8, 2014 at 12:00 pm in reply to: Shall we talk draft? The vikes game post-mortem #6638
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    When listing the problems that caused yesterday Quick’s wardrobe malfunction belongs on the last of 20 pages in fine print.The headlines should be Fisher Shotty and Williams.The run D if fixed why does it need fixing again?2012?2013? Now this.Yes it got fixed last year after a losing season was a certainty which doesn’t in reality fix this miserable team only prolongs the agony .Yes you are correct I don’t see an owner doing that and I also won’t see this owner hoisting a Lombardi

    September 8, 2014 at 10:51 am in reply to: Shall we talk draft? The vikes game post-mortem #6632
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    The way Fisher threw Quick under the bus points to a meltdown.A meltdown is warranted.The vaunted Greg Williams D is strangely absent. Davis is better than Cassel in many categories,mobility and arm strength being the major advantages .With Cassel not being able to throw past 20yds Williams got his ass kicked in checkers he’s not ready for chess.Personally if I’m the boss Fisher is in my office being told he may have 3 losses this year so he has 2 left.After we lose to Dallas play the rookies trade or cut the vets and get this thing started for real this time

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    September 7, 2014 at 8:29 pm in reply to: Shall we talk draft? The vikes game post-mortem #6523
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    The preparedness is a major issue.Imo Fisher’s teams seem like fighters they won’t quit,but I don’t remember a game where his team was well prepared

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    September 7, 2014 at 7:42 pm in reply to: 101 – Fisher, Witherspoon on loss to Vikings #6487
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    zn wrote:

    Eternal Ramnation wrote:
    Good news they’re going to fix that.

    I sense a board war.

    Big one. x

    x

    Maybe after the war the Rams can sign some of that horde and get it turned around….again

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    September 7, 2014 at 5:30 pm in reply to: 101 – Fisher, Witherspoon on loss to Vikings #6440
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    Good news they’re going to fix that.

    September 7, 2014 at 4:45 pm in reply to: Shall we talk draft? The vikes game post-mortem #6427
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    InvaderRam wrote:

    to be fair. the rams won last season. atlanta? everyone assumed the rams had arrived. but it was just the same inconsistent rams.

    this year. nothing has changed my mind about that. but. only game 1 so far. we’ll see.

    It was actually the Cards a comeback victory Atlanta beat us.Same old problems that should’ve been eliminated years ago. 3rd and 7 10yds off on Patterson poor tackling missed assignments not knowing where to line up. If a Coach with Fishers experience is going to play someone he better know where to line up and where the sticks are. I am not accepting anymore excuses from Fisher.

    September 7, 2014 at 4:15 pm in reply to: Shall we talk draft? The vikes game post-mortem #6412
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    That’s the point you’re missing zn. Every year it’s the same,we’ll fix that. I don’t want to have to put the first came behind us and hope for improvement. I want a 1st game to be a statement “WE ARE HERE”

    September 6, 2014 at 3:09 am in reply to: RAMS vs Browns picks of destiny for SB XLIX #6233
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    September 5, 2014 at 12:14 pm in reply to: And turning to the Vikes game #6153
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    zn wrote:

    Eternal Ramnation wrote:
    One known factor is for all the talk of Hill’s arm strength which has been described as questionable, Matt Cassel has the weakest arm of any starting QB in the NFL.

    This is getting into the minutia, but I wouldn’t call Hill’s arm strength questionable. I suppose it depends on what you mean. Clearly Bradford has a great arm plus a pretty quick release and could accurately throw both 20 yard lasers and low trajectory long balls with accuracy. That’s not Hill. Hill relies more on quick decision making…which is probably his greatest strength.

    Still Hill has more arm strength than others we’ve seen, like Clemens, Feeley, and Jamie Martin.

    And as you say, more than Cassel.

    Actually I wonder if Hill’s arm is about the same as Brady’s. One or 2 tiers down from the likes of Bradford.

    Yes I agree completely . I have seen and heard people describe his arm strength as questionable but in looking at what video I can find on him I find no evidence of arm strength being deficient. The velocity is slower which affects accuracy more as distance increases but Hill’s timing and quick decision making may be better than Bradford’s out of necessity . Bradford can wait till the last second and still get the ball there, where Hill needs more time so must decide where and when to throw earlier

    September 5, 2014 at 10:44 am in reply to: Seattle beat up the Packers #6142
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    wv wrote:

    Well, i think most of us thought
    the Seawhaks would crunch the Pack,
    in Seattle.
    The question for me is how Seattle
    will play on the road once they get
    into the middle of the season or so.

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    http://www.si.com/game/1381761

    ”Obviously, we were the more physical team today, offensively and defensively. I saw supposedly some of the best players in the league not want to tackle Marshawn Lynch,” Seattle defensive end Michael Bennett said. ”Of course, nobody is going to say nothing about that, but I seen a lot of guys whiff on tackles that should have been 2-yard gains and they’re supposed to be the best.”

    Seattle had 207 yards rushing as a team and won for the 18th time in its last 20 regular- season home games. Harvin finished with 11 offensive touches, including four rushes for 41 yards.
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    Wiffing on tackles? Funny how the coach that ran the dirtiest program in the history of college football cheats again by allowing contact in practice and his team tackles better than teams that don’t cheat. Of course nobody’s going to say nothing about that.

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