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Eternal RamnationParticipantI liked how Brockers and Donald shove the center back a yard or so causing the bobbled exchange. Kap never had possession.Looked like #49 Miller complicated it shoving Kap from behind and further dislodging the ball.ZN Gif Master! How about one of Mason running over Wilhoite.
Eternal RamnationParticipantGreat post ! Kap fumbled at least twice, ZN posted a nice Gif of it.
Eternal RamnationParticipantCouple thing to note ZN.You were right on two counts.
1.The team needed time to learn the defense.
2.Davis has a weak arm and is still learning.IMO his arm strength is fine ,it’s just that he has a habit of jump passing everything instead of setting his feet.I am not surprised after the beating he regularly takes these days.The KC game was ridiculous in that regard.We’ve seen the gunshy behavior with Warner,Bulger and Bradford too. Just way too many hits on him and it appears the damage is done.
Eternal RamnationParticipantWOW GREAT GAME DEFENSE!
Eternal RamnationParticipantI watch every game but when it’s 30 to 2 in the 4th I’ll hang it up early just to spare my own anguish.
Eternal RamnationParticipantWarrick Dunn
Eternal RamnationParticipantZn my old friend I said minor annoyance,not anything to make a big deal I just thought I should tell you know about it. Thank’s for the apology but really no apology is necessary
Eternal RamnationParticipantHave at it.
Who has a silver lining?
ZN I am not liking having my posts micro managed. The comment “and Barnes” makes even less sense than usual when you move it to from the OL thread and lump it in with the post game venting stuff.The silver lining is this minor annoyance got my mind off the 2 hour abomination I just watched.
Eternal RamnationParticipantReally not looking forward to watching Fisher dig deep in his excuse barrel in 2015.34 point swoons have become common place
Eternal RamnationParticipantAre people re-thinking Fisher a bit after a win?
Nope. He’s always good for some trickery but I’ve seen enough. Of course I’m one of those guys that thinks the Music City Miracle was a forward pass,that the Titans ran into Wilkins and it should of been a penalty,that the Titans were intentionally trying to injure preseason 2000. They didn’t get much better today just a little luckier and the Refs were Fisher fans for some reason .
Eternal RamnationParticipantTA’s fake punt reception to spring Bailey for the 85yd TD is my favorite. I’ve never seen anything like it.
Eternal RamnationParticipantWell if he can learn from it ,a game winning ball security lesson against the World Champs no less it will be the best lesson ever!
Eternal RamnationParticipantPercy Harvin will not be playing today as he was traded to the Jets for a conditional draft pick.
Eternal RamnationParticipantWhen you watch the St.louis Garbage men play you can see they are not a well coached team. Fisher is a half assed mediocre 8 and 8 type coach. I’d love to see him gone the sooner the better.
October 17, 2014 at 1:58 am in reply to: Thots from being at the game. Momentum, heart, coaching #9782Eternal RamnationParticipantNice report H ! Had to be cool seeing the 99 team together again.
Eternal RamnationParticipantThis team in no longer the Rams to me. They will be known as the St.louis garbage men from now until they when a super bowl
Eternal RamnationParticipantIf the Rams score more points than the 49ers do.
If they play a complete disciplined game for 60 mins and the above.
Eternal RamnationParticipantPA Ram wrote:
he Rams have the #1 defense in football against the pass.I think that’s misleading.
They’re 1st in passing attempts against, meaning, they are thrown on the least of all 32 teams.
But they are 26th in yards per attempt passing on defense.
Which means if anyone DOES start throwing on them, they will give up lots of yards.
They are throwing less to avoid taking sacks,when they do throw it’s short getting the
ball out quick.Eternal RamnationParticipantHow about the TD where he came back and helped out Davis on that crazy scramble? Someone did a poll last year on Quick’s development and I remember saying he would flicker and flash until game 6 and then stay on for good.
Eternal RamnationParticipantThe bummer for the Rams is if this wakes Ray Ray up and he ends up getting it for another team.
Eternal RamnationParticipant375 yards and 3 TD’s no INTs I’ll take it considering Long,Joseph ,Wells and Barksdale all turned loose 300lbs. men with bad intentions I will give him the pass. Just consider the result had Hill or Bradford been behind that disgrace of a OL.Bradford alone would be out till 2020 after today!
Eternal RamnationParticipantYeah the comeback was great Quick is really going off this year but sloppy undisciplined play dug a massive hole
Eternal RamnationParticipantYes it works. I’m not really a fan of these guys.This one is IMO their worst yet. The make some decent
points but some of the guest’s segments are pretty lame
October 3, 2014 at 3:30 pm in reply to: detailed breakdown of Rams from Eagles perspectives (with pictures!!) (!) #9000Eternal RamnationParticipantWow very detailed, I like it! Two Qbs shown from vikes game.#14 was Hill.
Eternal RamnationParticipantMaybe this new flexibility in Fishers approach is the shift we’ve been waiting for. Like in 99 when DV changed his coaching methods to a more modern approach. One thing I am certain about ,Hill is the better back up. He has the experience to come in cold and do the job.
Eternal RamnationParticipantEasy home recipe take 22 and divide by 7. It goes on for ever so there is plenty for everybody.
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Eternal RamnationParticipantOnce he had one week of preparation he looked better than Hill.
Where we disagree is there. I don’t think he looked better than Hill, and if anything, Hill looked as good under far more disadvantageous conditions.
I also think Hill would have looked just as good as Davis once the advantages kicked in.
Like–a line better in sync, the WRs not making as many mistakes like play-killing penalties, and a running game. Plus of course the Vikes defense is better than the next 2 defenses the Rams played.
I do believe Hill would have looked just as good with those advantages in games 2 and 3. What I have doubts about is whether Davis would have looked as good in game 1 with those disadvantages, even with prep time with the 1s.
If nothing else that’s just experience. The more experienced Hill was good in bad circumstances.
But when you boil down his play, no, Davis did not look better to me than he did. In fact I was impressed by Hill in game 1. I said so right after the game, and that was when I still thought the INT was on HIM (later we found out he was hurt so trying to throw out of bounds on just one leg and so without the power he needed. So now I attribute the INT to the injury.)
I also think Bradford held his own under bad conditions too. His sack rate and efficiency were both good even in bad circumstances. I can only imagine how well Bradford would be playing now if he had the 2014 offense to work with.
But my challenge to everyone is still this: watch the 2nd half of the Vikes game again and see again how bad Davis was IN TERMS OF POCKET PRESENCE. Then, figure out why he improved dramatically in a week. Whatever it is, it won’t be him alone–it can’t be. Then apply those lessons to other qbs. If AD needed a lot to change to become a better pocket presence type, what does that tell us about the entire pocket presence issue.Your doing it again ZN, minimizing preparation.Davis’ preparation is not him alone of course it’s the syncing up with the whole team. Coming in cold is a very difficult way to start and judging Davis on one half of ball when he was obviously overwhelmed is not a realistic judgment even though his numbers were better than Hill’s or Cassel’s.I think the way he came back after that experience says more about him than the cold start does. Hill has now stated he was injured before the Int.so I can’t give him a pass on that decision. I thought he did well but he did look slow to me.I don’t think anyone put the Wr penalties on Hill or Davis they got the ball there and it was caught so that is a bit of a red herring .I can see Davis improving and I sure Hill is not on that side of his career.
Eternal RamnationParticipantwv wrote:
Well, you always seem to dismiss any ‘pocket presense’
or ‘pocket attributes’ stuff.Do you not think some QBs have better
“pocket attributes” (for laack of a better term)
than others?No I don’t dismiss that. I just thought that when it came to Bradford, the issue was exaggerated. In fact, badly exaggerated.
Of course you have to have some physical and mental pre-reqs to play qb.
But then explain the difference between his miserable, sack-taking lack of PP in game 1 versus the improved version in game 2.
Davis himself said it came from listening to coaches, who stressed all week that he needed to stay in rhythm, drop plant and throw.
Now to do THAT he needed to trust the receivers, which to a large extent, he can and does.
Plus the looking downfield while moving thing. You know for a couple of years there that was one big complaint about Davis…that he DIDN’T do that. Then this summer he started doing it. That HAS TO come from coaches finally drilling it in.
I just believe something Warner says, in interview after interview. He said it when Bulger was the qb, and he said it when Bradford was the qb. He said that he knew from experience that oftentimes, things that are put on the qb are really the context around him. He said that the average viewer just cannot see these things. Now granted you have to be able to play the position, but then, think of the advantages Davis had that were simply not there in game one:
* coaches had not seen him live under real fire before, and they saw flaws they corrected
* the receivers in game one kept ruining drives with mistakes and penalties…that decreased after game 1
* plus the receivers are better than they have been in years
* the OL in game 1 was CLEARLY out of sync, and got better
* they found the running game
* he got the reps with the #1s in practice
* the coaches gameplanned around HIM, instead of around someone else
You add all those things together, and Davis–who was the exact same guy with only one week’s difference–went from looking REALLY bad in game one to looking pretty good to darn good in games 2 and 3.
Of course he had to be able to play. If you or I had all those advantages and improvements, we still wouldn’t look like Davis in games 2 and 3.
But if you ask how and why a guy can go from looking that bad one week and much better the next, a LOT of it is the play around him, and the coaching.
Warner himself says that kind of thing, over and over. He should know–he did NOT look good in NY and then things got righted in ARZ.
And no I do not think AD has superior pocket sense to Bradford or Hill. I think they are all about equal, and if anything Hill is somewhat better. I think what happened was, AD got put in a better position. Lots of things came together at the same time.
If anything I would rate Hill higher because he was showing good pocket sense under much worse conditions.
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I have to disagree with you here ZN . Not that the list isn’t factual but it does IMO minimize the major reason for the improvement . Numbers 1,6 and 7 are to me anyway the same thing.Hill took reps with the 1’s throughout the preseason and for 10 days leading up to game one. He should be way ahead of Davis who was 4th string at one time during the preseason. Hill looked good and he should with all the preparation.Davis got thrown in totally unprepared by coaching having never played with these guys. Once he had one week of preparation he looked better than Hill. After two weeks he looked even better.Of course he could come back to Earth like many do or he could continue to ascend like a few of them have. I see great pocket awareness with Davis. I haven’t seen enough of Hill to say but,Bradford’s was not good at all for the early years and I just haven’t seen enough of him lately because he can’t stay on the field
Eternal RamnationParticipantPeople are impatient. They’re forgetting how far this team has had to come since 2011. The stench from that season still lingers with me. The team we have now is far superior to anything we’ve seen in several years.
It’s not that I forgot,it’s just that it’s easier to watch a team you know is not very good lose and look for the development of younger players and the occasional upset but when you know a team has the talent to win and they don’t that’s pretty tough. The players were mad at themselves after this last one. The thing that’s getting to me about Fisher is the lack of urgency,it’s like it takes him half the season to finally get going and in this division it will be all but over by then.
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