Is Williams gone as DC ?

Did anybody notice the thousand of vets showing up in Standing Rock right before they decide to shut down the pipeline ? Trump who was the guy saying no one was a stronger supporter of veterans. They shut it down because when they lose the military they lose their power and the vets taking a stand was the first step.

The Rams won a Super Bowl with a back up QB as did the Patriots . Don’t give me reasons my argument isn’t valid don’t argue against my argument state your case why you believe he should get more time and conform to the extremely narrow tolerances you set for the other side.

“The players don’t feel comfortable” I’d say when you’re losing like they are you shouldn’t be comfortable and they are especially Fisher. The language ED described fits , I can hear Fisher saying that and Fisher admitted to a conversation. Just sounds like Fisher trying to “coach” him and ED not having it. Now Fisher’s claiming he doesn’t know where it’s coming from, that is some weak shit right there. If you’re gonna make that move you have to own it.

I watched Goff’s press conference and it gives me hope, he wants to win and let everyone know about it. I think the last 3 times we played the Saints we crushed them with some pretty bad teams , I not so surprised they were due.The D was dismal . The squabble between Williams and Fisher might be cracks might be nothing but definitely not something you want to see happening to your team at 4 – 7 especially not when it comes at the hand of another 4-6 team.

Actually the story started a lot earlier locally, this wasn’t nearly as sudden or unexpected as the national press has reported. Norv is a classy guy , Zimmer has been a whiny finger pointer in the past. Shurmur pushed to bring in Bradford and because of his familiarity with Bradford called the plays the first two games which was before the OL lost some players, they were thin but now they’re playing people off the street. Here’s an article from January.

Pat Shurmur hire reflects Vikings’ changing dynamics on offense
Jan 24, 2016
Ben Goessling
ESPN Staff Writer

MINNEAPOLIS — After the Minnesota Vikings hired Pat Shurmur — a former head coach who has five years of experience as an offensive coordinator — on Saturday night, locking him up before he could talk to the Los Angeles Rams about a possible job as a passing coordinator, coach Mike Zimmer had compiled an offensive staff with three former NFL head coaches and coordinators on it.

And while a league source said Shurmur’s job title has yet to be finalized, it’s probably safe to assume this: Shurmur wasn’t going to end his job search after one stop had Zimmer not pitched him on a plan big enough to get him to put down roots in Minnesota.
http://www.espn.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/17882/pat-shurmur-hire-reflects-vikings-changing-dynamics-on-offense

zn wrote:

We do have some minor disagreements here. I have a way, it seems, of non-plussing guys who admire Martz. On the disagreements, fwiw. Martz went to one superbowl. Vermeil went to the other and at that point Martz was coordinating the team Vermeil built. I was a Martz critic going back to 2000.

That’s what I’m saying, and that is pretty harsh critique taking away Martz contribution to the Super Bowl and giving it to all to Vermeil. Vermeil in ’98 had Bruce, Hakim ,Pace ,Warner ,Little ,Wistrom , Carter, Fletcher, Light, Farr, Nutten ,Gruttadauria ,McLeon ,Lyle , LB Mike Jones, Proehl, Conwell and went nowhere , lost the entire team to the point of revolt and an ultimatum from management . Vermeil without Martz was a horrible coach the first two years worse than Fisher has ever been in his career. He definitely stockpiled the talent but didn’t have a clue what to do with it on offense and over worked the entire team to where they couldn’t compete on Sundays just like he did for his Super Bowl in Philly. To his credit he did adapt to modern football , educating himself , talking to guys that did it better than him, learning and applying that knowledge. He was secure enough not to handcuff Martz and there is no doubt he has a brilliant football mind. I do remember in 99′ people talking about pushing Vermeil out and Giving Martz the job and I didn’t like it thought it was crazy talk but it’s likely a lot of people were more plugged in than me and my 28k dial up modem.Fisher doesn’t appear capable of adapting or changing to me.

zn wrote:

Eternal Ramnation wrote:

I think Fisher has lost this team,

That wouldn’t explain their top play on defense.

We’ve seen it when a Rams coach loses a team (Linehan) and we know what it looks like, and I don’t think that’s what we’re seeing.

And it’s not the worst offense in the NFL. It only looks that way if you factor the numbers from the first 2 games into the average. But they improved after the first 2 games, and that’s even accounting for the recent slump. A much more realistic picture takes the 1st 2 games out of the average. When you do that, they’re ranked 22nd. That’s not where we want them to be, but it’s not last.

…

I wouldn’t expect it to look like when Linehan lost his team or anyone else it’s a different set of circumstances. To me when Hill plays lights out ball against the Jets , outplaying Gaines and then decides to drive to practice drunk it signals somethings wrong with the team.
I’m not sure if you’re joking about the offense or serious? Why on Earth would you leave 2 games out of an average? If we just count the Tampa game we’re averaging 37 points a game GSOT territory. Of course if you just use the last 3 games , a much more accurate measurement of the current state of the team they are averaging under 10 points a game.

joemad wrote:

JackPMiller wrote:

Not sure why, I know we won, but it does not feel like it. Anyone else have that feeling.

it’s not easy for West Coast teams to travel back east and win.

URL = https://www.sportsinsights.com/blog/is-there-still-a-disadvantage-for-nfl-west-coast-teams-traveling-east/

“”””Since the start of the 2003 season, West Coast teams have gone just 61-111 (35.5%) against East Coast teams.””””

Unfortunately the Rams are 76 and 131 over that same period so they will find a way to lose regardless.

I think Keenum is telling the defense where the play is going pre-snap, Gurely loses that time that the defense would be reading the play the result is his first contact is about 3 yds. behind the LOS. If the Rams had good coaching at the position it would’ve been fixed by now but they seem unaware of it

It’s over FL goes Trump Ohio as well

Reading my original post BT pre Kava instead of post 3 shells it was poorly constructed, I shouldn’t have used the word “you ” at all. Anyway I agree with your post and as always it’s a well written easy to understand post. As Leftist we are constantly bombarded with nonsense like Obama is a radical Marxist NAZI, I feel like my auto response has been conditioned. The leftist position is that of kitty litter under the tires of a corporate dems bus while the right dems argue with the right repubs over whether we should nuke’m till they glow or nuke’m till the glow.

I don’t know guy’s , it really bothers me when you describe Obama or Clinton as Left or even center Left . The Right wing owns all of the media and both Democratic and Republican parties as well as the Libertarians . It’s all just corporate branding

To me the whole offense is, I don’t even know the word but the opposing defenses know the plays. I don’t know if Keenun is keying them or what but it’s striking how quickly defenses read this offense. Fisher doesn’t want to set Goff up to fail but he has set Gurley up repeatedly. And what happened? This same team’s run game looked unstoppable in the pre-season now it’s near the bottom and we’re healthy , very strange. One thing I do not like is Keenum’s lack of consistency . One play he’s ambidextrous Houdini , the next he’s taking 3rd down sacks for huge losses or throwing wounded ducks into triple coverage

Fisher looked distraught at the end when the Panthers knelled, maybe the rumor is true? Keenum is not a starting QB . Why not start Mannion and let Goff sit behind him? Keenum can’t throw over that huge line Fisher drafted to protect Nick Foles. Run game is as bad as ever. Quinn is Quinn again Donald MVP, MVP ,MVP.I’ll probably take some heat for this but it’s just an opinion, I think the problem with this team is the stupid. This has to be the collectively stupidest team I’ve ever seen from coaches to players, stupid stupid stupid.