zn wrote:

We do have some minor disagreements here. I have a way, it seems, of non-plussing guys who admire Martz. On the disagreements, fwiw. Martz went to one superbowl. Vermeil went to the other and at that point Martz was coordinating the team Vermeil built. I was a Martz critic going back to 2000.

That’s what I’m saying, and that is pretty harsh critique taking away Martz contribution to the Super Bowl and giving it to all to Vermeil. Vermeil in ’98 had Bruce, Hakim ,Pace ,Warner ,Little ,Wistrom , Carter, Fletcher, Light, Farr, Nutten ,Gruttadauria ,McLeon ,Lyle , LB Mike Jones, Proehl, Conwell and went nowhere , lost the entire team to the point of revolt and an ultimatum from management . Vermeil without Martz was a horrible coach the first two years worse than Fisher has ever been in his career. He definitely stockpiled the talent but didn’t have a clue what to do with it on offense and over worked the entire team to where they couldn’t compete on Sundays just like he did for his Super Bowl in Philly. To his credit he did adapt to modern football , educating himself , talking to guys that did it better than him, learning and applying that knowledge. He was secure enough not to handcuff Martz and there is no doubt he has a brilliant football mind. I do remember in 99′ people talking about pushing Vermeil out and Giving Martz the job and I didn’t like it thought it was crazy talk but it’s likely a lot of people were more plugged in than me and my 28k dial up modem.Fisher doesn’t appear capable of adapting or changing to me.

zn wrote:

Eternal Ramnation wrote:

I think Fisher has lost this team,

That wouldn’t explain their top play on defense.

We’ve seen it when a Rams coach loses a team (Linehan) and we know what it looks like, and I don’t think that’s what we’re seeing.

And it’s not the worst offense in the NFL. It only looks that way if you factor the numbers from the first 2 games into the average. But they improved after the first 2 games, and that’s even accounting for the recent slump. A much more realistic picture takes the 1st 2 games out of the average. When you do that, they’re ranked 22nd. That’s not where we want them to be, but it’s not last.

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I wouldn’t expect it to look like when Linehan lost his team or anyone else it’s a different set of circumstances. To me when Hill plays lights out ball against the Jets , outplaying Gaines and then decides to drive to practice drunk it signals somethings wrong with the team.
I’m not sure if you’re joking about the offense or serious? Why on Earth would you leave 2 games out of an average? If we just count the Tampa game we’re averaging 37 points a game GSOT territory. Of course if you just use the last 3 games , a much more accurate measurement of the current state of the team they are averaging under 10 points a game.

joemad wrote:

JackPMiller wrote:

Not sure why, I know we won, but it does not feel like it. Anyone else have that feeling.

it’s not easy for West Coast teams to travel back east and win.

URL = https://www.sportsinsights.com/blog/is-there-still-a-disadvantage-for-nfl-west-coast-teams-traveling-east/

“”””Since the start of the 2003 season, West Coast teams have gone just 61-111 (35.5%) against East Coast teams.””””

Unfortunately the Rams are 76 and 131 over that same period so they will find a way to lose regardless.

I think Keenum is telling the defense where the play is going pre-snap, Gurely loses that time that the defense would be reading the play the result is his first contact is about 3 yds. behind the LOS. If the Rams had good coaching at the position it would’ve been fixed by now but they seem unaware of it

It’s over FL goes Trump Ohio as well

Reading my original post BT pre Kava instead of post 3 shells it was poorly constructed, I shouldn’t have used the word “you ” at all. Anyway I agree with your post and as always it’s a well written easy to understand post. As Leftist we are constantly bombarded with nonsense like Obama is a radical Marxist NAZI, I feel like my auto response has been conditioned. The leftist position is that of kitty litter under the tires of a corporate dems bus while the right dems argue with the right repubs over whether we should nuke’m till they glow or nuke’m till the glow.

I don’t know guy’s , it really bothers me when you describe Obama or Clinton as Left or even center Left . The Right wing owns all of the media and both Democratic and Republican parties as well as the Libertarians . It’s all just corporate branding

To me the whole offense is, I don’t even know the word but the opposing defenses know the plays. I don’t know if Keenun is keying them or what but it’s striking how quickly defenses read this offense. Fisher doesn’t want to set Goff up to fail but he has set Gurley up repeatedly. And what happened? This same team’s run game looked unstoppable in the pre-season now it’s near the bottom and we’re healthy , very strange. One thing I do not like is Keenum’s lack of consistency . One play he’s ambidextrous Houdini , the next he’s taking 3rd down sacks for huge losses or throwing wounded ducks into triple coverage

Fisher looked distraught at the end when the Panthers knelled, maybe the rumor is true? Keenum is not a starting QB . Why not start Mannion and let Goff sit behind him? Keenum can’t throw over that huge line Fisher drafted to protect Nick Foles. Run game is as bad as ever. Quinn is Quinn again Donald MVP, MVP ,MVP.I’ll probably take some heat for this but it’s just an opinion, I think the problem with this team is the stupid. This has to be the collectively stupidest team I’ve ever seen from coaches to players, stupid stupid stupid.

Keenum over throws a wide open Quick TD

Keenum booed off the field 3 times still in the 1st Qtr. This could get ugly.

So the Rams are a QB away from being a playoff team trade two years draft picks away to move up and past at least 3 day one starters including Wentz who was perfect for the Rams offense and pick Goff who can’t help for a year oh yeah, and they already have Mannion who already sat for a year. I may have to write in Jeff Fisher Tuesday.

In fairness the vikes starting OT’s are on IR , they are actually starting Jake (get Bradford killed) Long at LOT . It’s bad . I also noticed Kush in a Bears uniform Monday night.

I don’t buy that at all Zooey , going to a game just for the stadium I mean. If there’s no hope of relevance people in LA aren’t going to waste 4 or 5 hours and thousands of dollars to watch a depressing shit show just cause the building is new. There is way to much fun to be had in LA especially for the kind of money you’re looking at in the new place.For it to become the the place to go the Rams need to become the team to watch.It’s just not enjoyable to watch a team suck year in and year out.

There is so much about Fisher that bugs me over the years but this deal with Case and Goff is bad. If Goff isn’t a huge upgrade over Case than mortgaging the future of the team for Goff was a mistake. Quick was going to be a monster but raw he needed coaching GRob was raw but has all the tools of an all pro LOT. Goff has elite arm talent but needs extensive coaching having never been asked to play under center or read defense. So we have 3 high picks that require superior coaching to yield a player commensurate with their lofty draft position. To me that doesn’t seem to be happening nor is there much hope that it ever will.