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Southern and older. That was true of Biden before the election. Same data shows younger black voters support him.
And you list only southern states.
I did list California. And exit polls also indicate that Biden beat Bernie straight up with black voters in Minnesota and Massachusetts.
I don’t know what age range you are using, but right now it’s almost meaningless to say it’s only “older black, Southern voters.” Bernie is losing by more than 2 to 1 margin in the southern states. He will not win with that type of support. Maybe in 4 more years a progressive candidate will have a chance with black voters–but now? No way. It’s not happening.
I’m not trying to dismiss Bernie or anything. I like him and I think Biden 2020 could easily be a repeat of 2016 when Trump branded Hillary as just another person to prop up the establishment.
I’m just pointing out that Bernie has almost no chance to win this primary. And a big piece of that is black voters, especially southern black voters, support Biden instead Bernie by a huge percentage.
“And I think that is because Sanders competes with Trump in the one category of voters that put Trump over the top, and that is anti-establishment votes.”
There is truth to that. Except I heard a podcast where James Carville called this group the “I am a victim” segment not “anti establishment”. I also think most of you guys continue to forget about Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. That’s where this election, again, will be decided and I find it hard to fathom that these hard working people are going to go for someone who wants the government to take care of them. Furthermore, the Republicans-not just Trump-but up and down on the ballot will turn the democrats arguments for 2018 on its head and make the exact same argument-you will lose your precious private health care and your own personal physicians. And those voters in those precious three states will buy it.
I am probably a little too old to say “Ok, Boomer” but that’s a damn good response to James Carville’s horseshit.
Anyone who has any experience with college costs in the last 10 years or is looking at college costs for their kids in the near future know that Carville’s “victim” rhetoric is BS.
Looking at my local university and what I payed 20 years ago, college costs have tripled in 20 years. Have wages kept pace? Hell,no.
Millions of young people are emerging with $$20,000 in student loans (if they’re lucky). Who benefits from that? Banks.
And then these kids can’t buy a house so they’re stuck paying ridiculous rent that also benefits the rich. Because they, of course, own the houses and are benefiting from the ridiculous spikes in housing costs.
And this isn’t a problem only in California or New York. It’s happening everywhere including Wisconsin and Michigan. That’s why Bernie won the democratic primary in those states in 2016.
Millions of normal people know the system is rigged against them. All of them might not understand the specifics, but they can feel it and they’re right.
Banks are making are killing off the high price of college tuition. Guess what happens if your a college grad who goes to buy a house without 20% to put down? You get to pay the bank a higher interest rate AND you get to borrow more money from the bank because you have to pay $200 every month for your student loans.
If the Democratic establishment wants to keep saying dumb things they just might lose to Trump in 2020. People know this current system is stupid and BS.
Romo’s inaccurate analysis (See Orlovsky’s breakdown later in this thread) highlights how surprisingly vanilla the Pats played on that really important 3rd & 8.
Romo predicted that Belichick would double team one guy, but BOTH safeties were 20 yards off the LOS at the snap. They played a simple 2 deep safety look to prevent a big gain when the Titans only needed 8 yards!
My brother who loves Belichick told me this week that Belichick was ready to move on from Brady and wasn’t playing to win after the Pats surprising home loss to the Dolphins last week.
That 3rd & 8 defense allowed for an easy pitch and catch for 10 yards.
Wow! that video of Gurley against the Cowboys a couple years ago is jarring.
He has lost more than a step. The 2017 Gurley would have torched the Seahawks last night. What a shame.
The Rams margin of error on offense has shrunk so much. Like WV, I also don’t trust this OL. Edwards looks quite shaky at guard & Blythe and Corbett aren’t good players.
The Rams can win, but they better be ready for a tough game.
I’m looking forward to some good December football!
Moreover, the entire purpose of a public education is to prepare all students-including those with a disability-to become a productive member of society. Finally, not all students with learning disabilities are behavioral problems. Those that are and affect classroom studies can under the law be more isolated. I am curious as to how you would solve issues you perceive above-go back to the days of isolating all disabled students into sequestered centers much like orphanages in the face of all the evidence that educating these students in a general education environment provides them with the tools to become “productive member of society”.
Two points (if you still remember this conversation!)
First, the idea that schools prepare all students to be productive members of society is one of my main points. The k-12 system is trying to do too much. It’s frustrating (and ultimately foolish) to try to prepare all students for jobs of the 21st century.
This notion of preparing all students for 21st century problems is a big part of the problem and has partly led to Trumpism (more on this later). Communities all around the country only have Wal-Mart jobs for people who were never good at school.
Thousands of communities around the community are struggling because their decent jobs that don’t require a college education were moved to Mexico, China, and countries where companies pay employers 2 bucks an hour.
I just read about the feedback effect in climate change and I think a feedback effect is affecting k-12 education. Parents no longer have decent jobs, which leads to chaos in families and the struggles of poverty. And that, in turn, makes schools worse.
Billy asserts that there is no connection between poor kids and classroom disruption. But I find that hard to believe: we know that black families have significantly less wealth than white families & there is a gap between what black kids achieve and what white kids achieve in the classroom. I am nearly positive that achievement gap is well documented and an area that nearly everyone wants to focus on.
These two facts suggest that there is a clear connection between education and income. I would also assert that race doesn’t have much impact on the connection between low achievement in the classroom and low income. Poor white communities struggle in classroom just as poor Native American communities and poor black communities. Based on my anecdotal evidence (you are right I do work in a school) I’d also bet that there is a much higher rate of school fights and referrals for classroom disruption in communities that are poor.
My second point is that dealing with schools that are struggling with all these problems is frustrating for parents and educators. Frustrated parents and educators become frustrated voters and maybe Trump voters.
The system is broken and these voters are not ignorant. They have an intimate experience with a broken system everyday when they take their kids to school and talk about what happened in the classroom.
The solution to this system for the left for the last 25 years? More funding. This funding has led to an exponential growth in funding for testing and administration. The amount of money spent on administrative costs for schools has grown 240% in the last 25 years. All too often, the bureaucracy of education grows and teachers in the classroom don’t get very much help.
This is exactly the complaint of conservative voters. I hate Trump and actually voted for Stein in 2016 because I knew Trump had no chance of winning my state. I detest Trump but I think it is valuable to understand why people continue to support him.
These voters have gone to war with a system that they experience daily and is ridiculous. Take a listen to a recent podcast by Hidden Brain about “BS JObs” and the problems that we’ve created today with education.
There are other choices besides 1) sequestering kids with issues in horrible facilities OR 2) pouring money into a system to test, offer remediation, and test again. And then find still other options for kids who are still struggling so that students can be prepared to be nurses, engineers, or programmers (even though there are still tons of other jobs that need to be done).
