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The certitude with which you ply your half-truths would be disconcerting if such a trade in misinformation weren’t so commonplace.
You have NO PROOF that Omar Mateen was radicalized in Saudi Arabia. None whatsoever. You are clinging to that desperately because that fulfills your world view.
Brown muslim killed people…cuz…ISLAM. That fits.
That other stuff? Yeah, that’s too complicated…
The problem is that life is complicated and it doesn’t get less complicated when folks just ignore how complicated it is and act like they can make it simpler.
“We’re just gonna go in, overthrow Saddam and be greeted as liberators. Take a week. Two tops.”
Except…Iraq was a complicated mix of Shia and Sunni kept together by a secular dicator. And we saw how that’s turned out…
Over and over again we see this tendency to want to oversimplify as if the Cliff Notes version of Life, The Universe and Everything were more virtuous in any way than the unabridged version.
It isn’t.
If it helps you, NO ONE understands it all. NO ONE. And anyone who pretends to is outright lying.
But this whole, “it’s simple. he did this. he went there. he got radicalized. Done” thing…
yeah. That’s just wrong. Now you can do the AR-15 thing and show me his boarding pass to Saudi Arabia and tell me which seat he sat in on the plane and 1000 other details which have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with him not being radicalized in Saudi Arabia (cuz he wasn’t) and him not being a jihadi (cuz he wasn’t). You can do that if you want, but I’m just gonna roll my eyes and focus on what mattered.
Omar Mateen was NOT radicalized. I’m not saying he never heard a radical word. Let’s not do THAT thing. I’m saying he wasn’t radicalized.
As details emerge, we’ll get a better picture about him and if he had any partners if they’ll come forward. That first guy if there is one will pretty much slam the door on any radicalization. In case you were wondering.
“Omar Mateen was NOT radicalized. I’m not saying he never heard a radical word. Let’s not do THAT thing. I’m saying he wasn’t radicalized.
As details emerge, we’ll get a better picture about him and if he had any partners if they’ll come forward. That first guy if there is one will pretty much slam the door on any radicalization. In case you were wondering.”
You don’t know that. You just did what you accused me of although I have the murderers words to back up my position. BTW visiting Saudi Arabia and other areas in the MidEast is a common theme with people living outside the MidEast becoming radicalized.
Also I did not support the War on Iraq. I also only supported the destruction of Al Quaeda in Afghanistan after which we should have left. I was against the first gulf War too. We shouldn’t be in Syria since we weren’t invited. Let the Russians take care of it. I’m against interventionist actions that weaken our economy and our standing in the world.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
Congrats. You have equated her wanting a semi-auto hand gun in her purse with her owning a nuclear powered submarine. I’ll use your own words in closing.
“That kind of extremist hyperbole is the real “BS” here.”
Well he didn’t equate the 2. Logically, it’s an example of reductio ad absurdum. The point is things are banned constantly because different societies see them as dangerous and unnecessary. We all agree private citizens should not own their own nuclear subs. What does that prove? THat we always draw limits. In fact that’s the very nature of being in a society.
So saying that just demonstrates the absurdity of claiming that all socially and legally imposed limits are wrong or bad. Obviously that’s not true.
The question then becomes, where is the line to be drawn?
When it comes to everyone carrying MP 40s on their key chains, you come down on one side, he comes down on another.
And no you did not literally specify everyone has to carry an MP 40 on their key chain. Not every point is made with literal language.
That is a well worn Schmeisser! Yeah I know but thats what I always heard it called growing up. Actually had a chance to buy one over 20 years ago for $2500 that was in amazing condition but my wife insisted the house payment was more important. Women!
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
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BS. You determine all for her and everyone else. Such pomposity. The lady might prefer a semi-auto. Licensing and registering doesn’t do anything to make anyone safer. It does make money for the government for doing nothing. Which is how government likes it.
Society has laws, regulations, rules. That’s been the case at least since the dawn of the first “higher civilization” in Sumeria, 6000 years ago. The Constitution sets this up as well, with the Commerce Clause, the Necessary and Proper Clause, the General Welfare Clause, the Equal Protection Clause and Article One, Section Eight in general. You seem to be suggesting that it’s “tyrannical” to have our Constitution at all, because it sets this up. This, apparently, is “determining all for her and everyone else.”
As for what she may prefer. She may prefer her own nuclear submarine, but we have rules and laws in place to prevent that. She may prefer to own lions, tigers, crocs and take them with her on the streets. But we have laws and rules to prevent that. She may prefer to blow things up with explosives, because that looks cool and everything. But we have laws and rules to prevent that.
You like to use “BS.” Your take is the epitome of that. Basic rules on firepower, registration and licensing don’t in any way, shape or form “determine all for her and everyone else.” That kind of extremist hyperbole is the real “BS” here.
Congrats. You have equated her wanting a semi-auto hand gun in her purse with her owning a nuclear powered submarine. I’ll use your own words in closing.
“That kind of extremist hyperbole is the real “BS” here.”
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
n the end he made it very clear he was ISIS in the 911 call and his Facebook posting during the standoff that the wicked ways of the west motivated the attack. He was radicalized in his two recent visits to Saudi Arabia and possibly his mosque.
What possible basis are your sources coming up with to justify claiming that his MOSQUE was a source of being radicalized? You know those sources better than I do…why, other than the simple fact it IS a mosque, is his mosque being blamed? You do know that local people are threatening that mosque and people in it?
Many of the women say they are concerned about anti-Muslim violence in response to the attacks, and they are upset that the actions of one disturbed congregant would reflect poorly on the entire community at the center. “We’re afraid of backlash, targeting us because he came to this mosque,” Alladin says. None of the women interviewed say they could recall any time when anti-gay sentiments were ever expressed at the mosque, and all say that gay Muslims would be welcome to worship there.
Shock, Disappointment and Kindness From Worshippers at Shooter’s Mosque
And what evidence does anyone have that he actually was “radicalized”? I mean actually, not just using it clumsily as a facade. Other than his comments during the shooting, which btw make no sense and so far sound like a lot of bs on his part. (So according to that, which I think is the Fox narrative, he made something “very clear”–according to other narratives, he actually confused things with those comments, which don’t add up.)
One example: some claim he was saying HIS country was being bombed. Other than the fact that his country is the USA, that is taken as meaning Afghanistan. Yet he also commented that the USA and Russia were bombing ISIS. That’s in Syria. Syria, ISIS, and Russia have nothing to do with Afghanistan.
I know that as usual FOX is pushing one version of this.
I said POSSIBLY his mosque. It was through his mosque that he was in contact with a known jihadi which was why the FBI had questioned him.
See you can’t grasp that he never viewed the USA as his country. He never identified as being an american. The USA bombed the country he identified with, Afghanistan. As I wrote before he went with the enemy of my enemy is my friend, hence his allegiance to ISIS.
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Sprinkles are for winners.
What’s Behind The Decline In Crime?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2015/05/28/whats-behind-the-decline-in-crime/#7c4904517733
From Bed-Stuy to South Central Los Angeles, areas once known for drug lords and drive-bys are gentrifying. Today, murder rates in these areas are barely a third of what they were in the early 1990s—the starkest reflections of a nationwide decline in crime. While the public remains largely unaware of this drop, experts have been observing and discussing it for years. Though many theories have been considered, one explanation that is often missing from the debate is generational change: Crime rates started to fall precisely when Millennials entered the prime age bracket for criminal activity.
Crime rates have plunged since the mid-‘90s. After rising sporadically from the early ‘60s onwards, crime rates reached unprecedented peaks in the ‘80s and early ‘90s. It wasn’t until 1995 that crime’s climb gave way to decades of decline. As of 2013, the rate of violent crime victimization, as measured by the U.S. National Victimization Survey, is down 71% from its peak in 1994. Over this same period, the rate of violent crime victimizations for 12- to 24-year-olds—the age bracket most likely to commit crime—fell 78%. Many of these youths are moving to large cities, which is just where violence has subsided the most. Washington, D.C. and Los Angeles have experienced 76% and 90% decreases in the murder rate since 1992, respectively.
Number of Violent Crime Victimizations by Age (1993-2013)
Interestingly, the public remains largely unaware of this trend. In every annual Gallup poll since 2003, a majority of American adults have said that crime is rising. And in a 2013 poll, 56% of Americans said that the number of gun crimes is higher than it was two decades ago—even though gun violence peaked in 1993. The public also clings to outdated notions about which cities are the most dangerous. Although New York City’s violent crime rate is about half that of Dallas or Houston, survey respondents continue to rank New York as the second-most unsafe city in the country and Dallas and Houston as the safest.
Experts are well-aware of this trend and have generated a multitude of theories, none of which hold up under scrutiny. The prosperity thesis argues that crime rates fall when economic conditions improve and rise when the economy sours. While this reasoning seemed to explain falling crime rates during the economic boom of the late ‘90s, it doesn’t explain why crime continued to fall during the recent recession.
Another set of explanations credits changes to the criminal justice system. According to the incarceration argument, crime has declined because more potential offenders are behind bars. But crime rates have continued to fall in states that have lowered their incarceration rates. And the incarceration rate of young offenders is going down (as the rate of older offenders goes up). Another argument is that the death penalty deters criminals. But capital punishment has been in decline since the early ‘00s—and crime rates have continued to fall. Others credit a larger police presence and improved policing tactics. Yet if this were the main driver, we would expect to see dramatic city-by-city differences based on which cities implemented these new tactics—but we don’t see much variation.
More guns period and more guns in law abiding hands. Much more conceal carry too.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
And I have no idea what the crack meant about “with the way that culture is heading.” As in, I literally have no idea what that means.
It means Sharia Law being practiced with the consent of the government and beheading in the streets.
Did you just say Sharia Law? In the USA?
That’s literally the dumbest thing I’ve heard all week and my teens haven’t been terribly creative trying to get out of work around the house.
Sharia law is unconstitutional. Period. End of discussion. It’s IMPOSSIBLE. Any law based on the Quran or the Hadith would be unconstitutional. Done.
Moreover, we have had very heavily Muslim districts, be they Somali or other in various parts of the country for many, many decades and literally NONE of this has even been mentioned.
You’re too quick on the draw. You should take time to READ. I never said the USA. I made it clear I was speaking about the UK.
—-The UK may well wish it has a 2nd Amendment with the way that culture is heading.—-
Really don’t know what to tell you about your teenagers other than its too late to give them back.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
Mackeyser,
To your
#2 above. It was a no gun zone. Thats also a reason why he chose it. Licensed conceal carry patrons won’t lie on the bathroom floor waiting to be executed.
#3 above. I think it possible SSRI antidepressants were involved as they frequently are in these shootings.
#4 above. In the end he professed allegiance to the leader of ISIS.
#5. above. The victims are heard through family and friends at least initially. It is unfortunate that over time they are relegated to statistics whereas the murderer still has a name.
more later
He didn’t “choose” it because it was a “no gun zone”. He had been a frequent visitor there. And he had multiple gay dating apps on his phone AND he had used those apps to communicate with gay men. We still are finding out if he actually was gay or was internally coming to terms with his sexuality. But the idea that he chose the Pulse exclusively or even remotely in part because it was a “no gun zone” is just wrong.
I can’t say anything about any anti-depressants. You’ve mentioned them multiple times and it sounds like you have an agenda that you’d like to share and will at some point. I don’t think they had any bearing on this tragedy although they might.
As I said, he pledged allegiance to the head of several groups that are fighting one another. You can’t just cherry pick ISIS and leave out Hizbollah which is fighting ISIS or the Al-Nusra Front which is also in conflict with ISIS. If he didn’t say something, people would have easily pieced together why he did what he did. Turns out it’s not that hard and the truth is pretty evident. It had nothing whatsoever to do with terror or any terror groups.
I’ll leave my point on #5 stand. I pretty much agree with you, but the coverage hasn’t really even let family or friends speak on their behalf and they certainly haven’t let victims speak when they are capable. So glad Nick Jonas got the mic, tho…
He definitely chose it because it was a no gun zone. He said that crap to the FBI years ago and they bought it. In the end he made it very clear he was ISIS in the 911 call and his Facebook posting during the standoff that the wicked ways of the west motivated the attack. He was radicalized in his two recent visits to Saudi Arabia and possibly his mosque. He did exactly what ISIS has been calling for and warning, that those in the US carry out attacks. It was definitely terrorism.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
