Billy_T wrote:

bnw wrote:

He needs people that can navigate the DC swamp. Lets see his policy initiatives in play before condemning him.

That’s excusing and rationalizing everything he and his supporters condemned during the election. Now that he’s in, it’s apparently okay to be everything they condemned in their opponents. That’s excusing “crony capitalism” and “pay to play” now because it’s Trump and Republicans doing it.

And that’s the very definition of hypocrisy. It’s rank, slam dunk, obvious hypocrisy of the worst kind.

No it isn’t and you are jumping the gun.

The woman is a beast. Unquestionable child abuse. My family treats our dogs better than that. Excellent commentary on far left think in this video below about this abuse of a child.

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I like anything that gives us real time insight into what our president is thinking. Though since anything he says can be considered policy it probably should be ended.

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Billy_T wrote:

You obviously don’t know me well, cuz I’ve been expressing my views on a wide range of subjects, online and off, for decades.

Well, yeah. Of course I don’t know you well. We’ve been exposed to each other’s views for what … 4 days?

Billy is the communist Chicken Little of american politics. The sky is always falling because continental capitalism through corporatism (see wv I listen) control of our government plays the workers against each other for the benefit of the greedy 1%. Billy wants a localized communal based economy in which people work and contribute as much as they want with no one being in control or getting rich. Mao suits optional.

wv wrote:

— X — wrote:

wv wrote:

But religion is about fairy stories

What do you believe? What’s the origin and ultimate meaning to life?
In 4 words or less, please.

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Mystery. Embrace the Mystery.

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“There are no others.”
Ramana Maharshi.

Love your dumbass neighbor.

PA Ram wrote:

bnw wrote:

He was given no chance to win by the pundits and almost every poll. So yes I don’t doubt that it cost him votes from supporters who listened to the negative barrage against him and stayed home. Which is why the MSM relentlessly hammered him for 17 months. That is the “airtight, unbreakable reality”. Okey dokey?

Uh huh. And what did the Orange Trump fairy do after he slayed the big ol’ nasty Media Monster?

Tell us more, grandpa!

Great stories!

This story has just begun. Your homophobia directed at President-Elect Trump is noted.

Billy_T wrote:

— X — wrote:

Billy_T wrote:

What does secularism promote? The peaceful coexistence of all faiths and the acceptance that some people won’t have one. The only way to preserve and protect actual “religious freedom” is to prevent any one religion from dominating the public square.

Since there are literally millions of places to worship in America, and anyone can worship inside their own heads, it’s pretty obvious that the best way to accommodate our diversity is to keep at least one place free of religious domination. No one is asking for any more than that. Just to keep a Switzerland-like space free and clear so everyone is welcome and there is no pressure to conform to the dominant faith.

Is that so much to ask?

I know what it claims to promote. But if it’s so pro-coexistence, as you claim, then why are the vast majority of the posts on secular message boards anti-religious? The main purpose is to attack religion in general, and to hunt down and destroy any instances of the mixing of church and state. As you said to me earlier, you could care less about that monument in North Carolina, and I agree it was a stupid thing to attack, but how do you reconcile that with claims of tolerance and coexistence? Maybe Secularists should just start building tons of churches, reap the benefits of the same tax incentives, and start their own peaceful movement. As opposed to waging war against religion itself.

I nominate Jeff Bridges as High Priest.

Well, you have me at a major disadvantage here. I’ve never spent any time on “secular message boards,” so I can’t answer that. But it’s been my experience that my fellow “secular humanists” don’t share that mission. We do think it’s wrong and patently un-Constitutional for the government to merge with religion in any way. But we’re not given to “hunt down and destroy” tactics. With all due respect, Dude, I think you’re engaging in a bit of nutpicking there.

I just don’t see the problem you describe as existing to any significant degree, and I think the power of the Church is waaaay too strong in America. I do see that as a major imposition on our freedoms and liberties, and the “religious right” seeks a great deal more of that. Pence is an obvious example.

Oh please what a bunch of BS. Churches participation in politics have been severely curtailed via the 501(c)(3) tax code.

Billy_T wrote:

No one is asking for any more than that. Just to keep a Switzerland-like space, free and clear so everyone is welcome

Is that so much to ask?

No it is not. The Swiss mandate a full auto weapon in every household. I knew Billy T was short for Billy The Kid!

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— X — wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

i wonder how bernie would have handled it. i don’t think he would have handled it the same way. i hope not.

I don’t think he would’ve, but you never know what people will do when attacked, viciously, non-stop, by another candidate and the media which purports to be impartial and bipartisan. IMO, he should have been the nominee, and I often wonder how he would have fared if he just ran as an independent. I think he would have bled both candidates dry at the ballots.

Bernie was too lazy to get on enough state ballots by himself so he ran as a democrat. With all the free shit Bernie was promising he would have won in a 5 way race.

I’ve worn New Balance for 25 years.

Billy_T wrote:

Think again about what we know about his actions at those beauty pageants. We know this cuz he told us, the contestants told us, people who worked there told us, and several people who have interviewed him for biographies told us.

He walked in, unannounced, to watch teenaged girls get dressed and undressed. Does it somehow make it okay because he happened to “own” the pageants? If a janitor, say, had done this, he would have been locked up.

It’s stunning how people have normalized the things Trump has said and done. To me, it’s beyond appalling that he has any support whatsoever, much less won the electoral college.

He’s been a pig. Somehow that is still news to you? But he was never a rapist nor threatened victims of rape like the Clinton Crime Syndicate.

Billy_T wrote:

I’m guessing you won’t respond to this, bnw, cuz you ignored Trump’s Russian connection and his lies about that. But I’ll post it anyway:

Trump will be the first president in living memory to refuse to put his business holdings in a blind trust. And his holdings are worldwide, and he has massive debts with foreign banks.

Conflict of interest, much?

And, sorry, but saying his kids will be running his businesses, so it’s all good, is beyond bogus. You want to talk about “pay to play”? Trump has set the table for that to an unprecedented degree.

How would a blind trust prevent him from doing what you claim? You think he forgot to which banks he has “massive debts”? Prove the conflict of interest. Otherwise you’re just discriminating against anyone with foreign holdings or exposure, which even includes me. Disclosure: I am not a billionaire.

PA Ram wrote:

I’d say he had more supporters that didn’t vote than those that stayed home for Hildabeast. Next time don’t nominate a corrupt traitor.

So they loved him so much they stayed home? And more of her supporters showed?

And she got more votes.

I will never understand how the right can create such an airtight, unbreakable reality for themselves. Now he has more support but…they didn’t vote.

Okey dokey, then.

Carry on.

He was given no chance to win by the pundits and almost every poll. So yes I don’t doubt that it cost him votes from supporters who listened to the negative barrage against him and stayed home. Which is why the MSM relentlessly hammered him for 17 months. That is the “airtight, unbreakable reality”. Okey dokey?

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Billy_T wrote:

bnw wrote:

Billy_T wrote:

bnw wrote:

Billy_T wrote:

And how much more of a deterrent do you want than our total domination in military matters? We’re the world’s undisputed hegemon. The Cold War is long gone. We don’t have several hegemons. It’s just us. And doesn’t the desire to increase our military power contradict the desire to stop being the world’s policeman, not to mention “making other nations pay their fair share”?

We have all the deterrent we need times a thousand. And we actually have more active ships now than we did under Dubya.

Our surface Navy is outdated. Both China and Russia have brought online weapons systems that will destroy our surface fleet within 14 days of fighting. Our anti-missile defense is overhyped and rendered archaic to the latest offensive systems of Russia and China. Our sub fleet should fare much better though with both Russia and China actively upgrading both BeiDou and GLONASS military satellite systems with BeiDou far more accurate than our GPS and slated to go global. All three nations are actively pursuing space weapons to defend? their satellite systems.

When one of our carriers is lost with its 4000 member crew, how long do you think it will take for the conflict to go nuclear? Wouldn’t it be better to modernize and upgrade both the Navy and Air Force to dissuade an aggressor?

bnw,

None of that is true. We’ve poured trillions into modernization. No one comes close to our military — not for advanced tech, capacity, speed, or any other metric. Do you really think the Military Industrial Complex ever misses a chance to score major contracts with endless updates? Come on. You’ve just bought into Trump and the GOP’s despicable fearmongering and scapegoating. In reality, we have long spent waaaay too much on behalf of Corporate America, and that didn’t change under Obama.

Whatever you say Billy since you’ve been proven to be correct despite reality. Its your thing.

bnw,

It’s beyond obvious that you were wrong about Trump’s supposed mass appeal. Again, he lost the popular vote to Clinton, one of the least liked presidential candidates ever. He lost to her. And he received fewer votes, total, than Romney or McCain, who both lost bigly to Obama.

He has no mandate. He has no mass popular support. He has his dead-ender, white-nationalist base, plus some folks who always vote for the GOP candidate no matter who it is.

Just as the Dems made a huge mistake in assuming Clinton had this in the bag, you and your fellow Trump supporters are kidding yourself if you think Trump is beloved by anything close to a majority. He’s actually despised by a majority of Americans. A strong majority said he was unfit for the office. They didn’t like Clinton either, of course. But Trump’s numbers were worse.

That’s reality.

Only you Billy would claim I was wrong. The mass appeal of Trump despite the 17 month savaging he received from the establishment is something which cannot be denied. I’d say he had more supporters that didn’t vote than those that stayed home for Hildabeast. Next time don’t nominate a corrupt traitor.

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Billy_T wrote:

bnw wrote:

Billy_T wrote:

And how much more of a deterrent do you want than our total domination in military matters? We’re the world’s undisputed hegemon. The Cold War is long gone. We don’t have several hegemons. It’s just us. And doesn’t the desire to increase our military power contradict the desire to stop being the world’s policeman, not to mention “making other nations pay their fair share”?

We have all the deterrent we need times a thousand. And we actually have more active ships now than we did under Dubya.

Our surface Navy is outdated. Both China and Russia have brought online weapons systems that will destroy our surface fleet within 14 days of fighting. Our anti-missile defense is overhyped and rendered archaic to the latest offensive systems of Russia and China. Our sub fleet should fare much better though with both Russia and China actively upgrading both BeiDou and GLONASS military satellite systems with BeiDou far more accurate than our GPS and slated to go global. All three nations are actively pursuing space weapons to defend? their satellite systems.

When one of our carriers is lost with its 4000 member crew, how long do you think it will take for the conflict to go nuclear? Wouldn’t it be better to modernize and upgrade both the Navy and Air Force to dissuade an aggressor?

bnw,

None of that is true. We’ve poured trillions into modernization. No one comes close to our military — not for advanced tech, capacity, speed, or any other metric. Do you really think the Military Industrial Complex ever misses a chance to score major contracts with endless updates? Come on. You’ve just bought into Trump and the GOP’s despicable fearmongering and scapegoating. In reality, we have long spent waaaay too much on behalf of Corporate America, and that didn’t change under Obama.

Whatever you say Billy since you’ve been proven to be correct despite reality. Its your thing.