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  • in reply to: Anybody watching Game of Thones? #100912
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    Are ALL the Dothraki dead?

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    No.

    Just the ones that followed Daenerys to Westeros.

    That makes sense, Nittany. But I thought most of them did follow her.

    ???

    in reply to: Anybody watching Game of Thones? #100911
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    …is GrayWorm dead? I kinda hope so. Nevermuch liked his character. I just never bought into his
    great-warrior persona. He just doesn’t have the body for it. I think he’s miscast as a tough, battle-hardened warrior. Reminds me of the frail, skinny Klingons of the early tv-star-trek shows.

    If yer gonna cast a Warrior — cast someone with a warrior’s body.

    Are ALL the Dothraki dead?

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    I’d have to watch the episode again, but I think he survived. Few of his brethren did, if memory serves, and I think all the Dothraki died in that initial charge.

    (As I was watching them ride off half-crazed, I expected them to return after a brief pause in the form of the undead. Glad I was wrong. That would have been more of that “too much” thing.)

    Agree about the actor. He doesn’t really fit the image of arguably the best fighters in the world of the books . . . though, at times, the Dothraki seem to hold that crown.

    Your comment also reminds me of the Netflix Marvel show, Iron Fist, which had all kinds of issues, including casting. The actor playing the lead (a Game of Thrones alumni) was bad enough along those lines, but his chief nemesis (Davos) was even worse. He just wasn’t believable as this awesome Martial Arts expert.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3322310/

    Back in my twenties, I was a bouncer for a bit while going to school. The owner of the bar hired a bunch of us based on the premise that he wanted order and protection for customers and merchandise, but he didn’t want mountains guarding the gate. So, pretty much everyone I worked with was really good in Martial Arts, in great shape but just average sized. My own lane was more boxing and wrestling, but I respected the Martial Arts stuff a ton, and knew just enough to get myself into big trouble. So I never tried that out in public.

    Anyway, to make a long story short, it’s believable to me that a great fighter could be relatively small, but it’s not if they’re weak.

    in reply to: Anybody watching Game of Thones? #100883
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    Btw, I just finished re-watching a movie I liked from years ago, starring Lena Headey (Cersei) in a totally different role:

    Imagine Me & You (2005).

    I’m guessing most people won’t see it as “profound” or “great cinema.” But it has warmth and a good heart. It’s kinda sorta in the Love Actually vein, but with a twist or two.

    in reply to: Anybody watching Game of Thones? #100882
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    Ahhh. I also was confused about the nightking’s dragon showing up alive. So he got re-animated. Its all problematic isnt it. I mean, how many times can he reanimate things? Over and over again? Can he re-animate pieces of things? Fingers? Eyeballs?

    I agree on the “too unfair for words” feeling. There were times that was how i was feeling watching it. I dont know whether to give them credit for building that feeling or to criticize it. I guess its what they were goin for given the storyline. But it does raise questions about just how dark is ‘too dark’? Is there such a thing? Is there a limit?

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    Sometimes I think writers set up impossibly hopeless conflicts and dilemmas, and it seems they trap themselves in the process. This sometimes necessitates sudden, almost too easy answers that resolve the conflict all at once. In this case, killing the Night King instantly wipes out the entire Army of the Dead, which a few of the characters suspected would happen way back. But then why didn’t they concentrate on all of that from Day One?

    Of course, that would have meant the journey itself wasn’t necessary, so writers can’t do that. We’d all be out of work!!

    So, yeah. You can go too dark. And then it almost means you have to truncate and over-simplify the way out, instead of perhaps dialing back the impossibility and hopelessness of things, and maybe end the crisis with a bit more complexity and time factored in.

    JJ Abrams tends to choose the impossible, hopeless odds, and then the too clever by half resolution. A lot of showrunners follow his lead.

    All of that said, my complaints about “too much” made me also think of Tom Hanks and his “There is no crying in zombie killing battles.” So I have to look at it from that angle, too.

    All in all, I favor the depiction of epic encounters with monsters and beasts, requiring all kinds of courage and tenacity, but I think you have to give the heroes legit chances to survive. The momentum of the story should be able to work without Deus ex Machinas, in general.

    in reply to: Goff at Rams voluntary workouts #100869
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    He is good. I think he can be “great,” if only he’d listen to me!!!

    ;>)

    All seriousness aside, I do think he needs to keep getting stronger, physically, and I still believe he should work on shortening his delivery. Make it more efficient, quicker. Start at the ear level, like Brady and P Manning. Speedy darts from there.

    Of course, if I had all the answers, I’d be wearing a Hall of Fame jacket by now and doing beer commercials, or something.

    in reply to: Anybody watching Game of Thones? #100867
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    See, I thought the dragon fight was hard to follow. And it was difficult to tell what the outcome was. Immediately after the fight when John’s dragon sorta crash landed, they never showed it again. However, I’m pretty sure it’s ok. I assumed the Night King’s dragon was dead so I was surprised to see it wreaking havoc inside Winterfell later on.

    Apologies, Nittany, if I’m saying something here you already knew:

    The Night King reanimated all the dead, including his blue-flame dragon. That’s why he was able to wreak that havoc inside Winterfell later on.

    And part of me was just thinking, “Oh, come on!! Enough is enough!!” The fighting was close to too much even before the reanimation — as in, it’s kinda just too unfair for words, going up against an endless horde of zombies. Like, the Rams having to face the Patriots defense without an offensive line and shackles on Goff’s feet.

    The refs should have stepped in and flagged the Night King for unsportsman-like reanimations.

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    Also . . . and this is unofficial: But Henderson apparently had an off the charts 10-yard split time of 1.42 when he ran his forty. I think it may have been on his second run, which initially came in as 4.37 total. It was later dialed back to 4.49, I think.

    If that 1.42 is legit, that’s seriously special. Anything under 1.5 is crazy quick.

    I love the pick. Wish it could have been later in the draft. But, IMO, it was worth taking the shot when they did.

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    I think a lot of this comes down to Gurley’s own attitude about splitting time.

    This is a total guess. I have no proof to support the guess. But, IMO, Gurley likely pouted a bit (away from the public) in the past over even the idea of splitting carries, so that factored into his workload. It made it heavier. His pride got in the way. His sense of his own capacity for doing it all got in the way.

    (Of course his world-class results made the above more than logical)

    Now? I think he fully understands that there is no choice. He’s never going to be a bell-cow running back again. Those days are gone forever, and I think he knows this. Even as recently as the CJ Anderson games prior to the Super Bowl, I think it bothered him. But from the Super Bowl on, I’m betting he’s seen the light.

    Long story short: He’s good with the new draft pick and McVay will make this work. They’ll be a dynamic duo — and Brown will add one more excellent back to the mix. Not sure the order of RB2 or RB3. And it may not even matter. But McVay will make it work.

    in reply to: Anybody watching Game of Thones? #100773
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    WV,

    Waaay off topic:

    Did you catch my review of the new book, This Life, by Martin Hagglund? I think all the leftists here would love it, but it’s especially right up your alley, I’m betting.

    IMO, it’s immensely important philosophy, and he makes a provocative case for democratic socialism along the way. Builds up to it. Takes us on a journey, etc. by critiquing both religion and capitalism.

    It’s not as exciting as Game of Thrones, and there aren’t any dragons or zombies in it, at least that I remember, but it’s damn good all the same.

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    I bought Overstory because you recommended it Yeah, This Life looks good.

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    Glad to hear that, WV. I hope you get the chance to post about it here. Would greatly enjoy reading your take.

    in reply to: Anybody watching Game of Thones? #100758
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    Rocket and Thor go to Asgard. Skippable. I took time out to see that too and shouldn’t have. But my daughter and I have a standing deal to see the MCU films every opening night.

    Thanks again.

    Nice tradition to have with your daughter.

    I want to see it as soon as possible, but know I won’t make it through the full three hours. I can always see it again, later, via DVD or streaming (to catch the skipped part) . . .

    Hope all is well.

    in reply to: Anybody watching Game of Thones? #100755
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    WV,

    Waaay off topic:

    Did you catch my review of the new book, This Life, by Martin Hagglund? I think all the leftists here would love it, but it’s especially right up your alley, I’m betting.

    IMO, it’s immensely important philosophy, and he makes a provocative case for democratic socialism along the way. Builds up to it. Takes us on a journey, etc. by critiquing both religion and capitalism.

    It’s not as exciting as Game of Thrones, and there aren’t any dragons or zombies in it, at least that I remember, but it’s damn good all the same.

    You wasn’t talkin to me, but let me sneak in a response. As it happens late April in my world gets crowded with Many Things, and the decision I always make to pay attention to the draft crowds it even more. So speaking for myself, I have been neglectful of other Many Things, reading a wide range of posts being one of them. I know that topic was important to you but it’ll be a week at least till I am free enough to be a good board buddy and give it a read.

    Plus, I’m missing Game of Thrones.

    That’s how out of balance life is around here.

    But soon.

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    Looking forward to your response, ZN.

    Thanks.

    Btw, another off topic. I don’t want to go over to the Avengers thread, for fear of spoilers. But I have a question.

    Is there a time during this THREE HOUR MOVIE for an old fogey with old fogey issues to go to the restroom?

    ;>)

    Appreciate in advance a non-spoiler suggestion.

    in reply to: Anybody watching Game of Thones? #100752
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    WV,

    Waaay off topic:

    Did you catch my review of the new book, This Life, by Martin Hagglund? I think all the leftists here would love it, but it’s especially right up your alley, I’m betting.

    IMO, it’s immensely important philosophy, and he makes a provocative case for democratic socialism along the way. Builds up to it. Takes us on a journey, etc. by critiquing both religion and capitalism.

    It’s not as exciting as Game of Thrones, and there aren’t any dragons or zombies in it, at least that I remember, but it’s damn good all the same.

    in reply to: Anybody watching Game of Thones? #100716
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    Obviously, spoilers. But a suggestion first, for anyone who will watch the episode soon:

    Tweak your TV settings before hand to deal with the dark. Most of the episode is, IMO, waaay too dark, and all of my pre-show tweaking failed to really make it visible enough. Hopefully, you’ll have better luck.

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    However, it was dramatic watching the fires from the Dothraki swords being extinguished in the distance.

    Who woulda thunk the Night King would have been defeated with three episodes to go?

    Well, onto to King’s Landing. Of course, John and Dani don’t have an army anymore….

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    Yeah, as soon as it was announced that Episode Three was the Big Battle with the White Walkers, it was pretty clear that the living would defeat the dead. It was just a matter of who survived. It might have made more dramatic sense to do what they’ve done in past seasons, and make this the penultimate episode.

    That said, I liked what I could see, but, as mentioned above, I couldn’t see much. Which, at least from an artistic standpoint, means I can’t give the episode even a passing grade. The absence of enough light to make out most of the action all but ruined it for me.

    Loved who they chose to give the death blow to the Night King — it wasn’t expected, at least by me. Loved the short scene between Sansa and Tyrion in the crypt, and there was pathos there when Jorah died, held by Dany, protected soon enough by one of the dragons.

    Agreed, Nittany: How are they going to fight Cersei now? They lost nearly all of their fighters. Again, the darkness made this more than confusing, but it looked like all the Dothraki were wiped out, as well as the Unsullied.

    in reply to: reactions to the Rams 2019 draft #100646
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    Just a rough guess. Most NFL linebackers are in the 4.7 range. A bunch run faster, in the 4.6 range. A smaller bunch in the 4.5s. Very rare to find them faster than 4.5.

    Both Devins this year are in the 4.4 range. Doesn’t happen often. Pittsburgh drafted one of them to replace Shazier, who may have been the fastest linebacker in the NFL before his devastating injury.

    In the 4.3s.

    Another thing I’ve noticed about draft reports: They can be all over the map. I’ve forgotten their names, but I looked at some of the UDFAs online, and a few of them had comments ranging from “below average athleticism” to “freakishly athletic.”

    As in, the same guy was described in wildly different ways.

    I think that wide range is more frequent for the lesser known players. Another guess. The guys with the relatively consistent grades — Top 100, give or take — seem to provoke a more narrow subjective response.

    in reply to: reactions to the Rams 2019 draft #100626
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    Rapp is a pure baller if I may use the parlance of the day.

    I like any Olineman from Wisconsin.

    The kid from Penn State is a ST Ace and has huge upside.

    Don’t like what I read somewhere about Henderson having poor vision and being easily knocked off his feet. Reminds me of another back with gaudy collegiate numbers…Lawrence Phillips.

    Do you have any special insights about Scott? From the reports, he’s very athletic, and he tested that way as well. Fast, quick, agile. Apparently, not that good yet at reading plays as a safety, but he won’t have to worry about that as a special teams whiz.

    Do you think he can end up being more than a special teams warrior? Again, it’s an excellent pick even if that’s all he ever does. But if he contributes as a DB too? It’s a steal.

    in reply to: reactions to the Rams 2019 draft #100621
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    In general, with all kinds of contingencies afoot and in play, your first three rounds should yield starters now or in the future. If you get that from your 4th rounder too, that’s a good draft. Beyond the fourth round? Tremendous draft.

    Of course, the better a team is, the more difficult this becomes. The best teams in any given year may not get any starters from their drafts, period, and they may still draft really, really well.

    The Rams are, as we all know, a really good team. But they do have holes. The draft still should bring them starters, upgrades, etc. etc.

    I think they got a likely future starter in Rapp, Gaines (he might start sooner than later), Long (nickel) and Henderson (if Gurley falters). Evans and Edwards appear to offer solid O-line depth, which every team needs.

    I’m betting Scott gives them an immediate “starter” on special teams, and will contribute heavily as a rookie. Finding someone like that in the 7th round is a coup. Dakota Allen, despite his awesome name, strikes me as a likely cut. We’ll see.

    All in all, a pretty good draft, though I would have preferred a different safety instead of Rapp. If his forty was impacted by his hip injury, I feel better about the pick. But even then, I think the Rams had better options. He still should start for them when Weddle leaves, which is a good thing.

    Overall, a solid B.

    in reply to: tweets & other bits … 4/27 #100488
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    McVay called him a unique playmaker, and when asked, said this pick was about Henderson’s skills and not Todd Gurley’s knee.

    not buying it. i like the pick, but at least part of it was about the knee.

    i do think henderson will be fun to watch though. that highlight tape was something else.

    i’m just worried about dline right now.

    I think Gurley is hurt, and the Rams are worried about his future. At the same time, I like the pick of Henderson even with a healthy Gurley. He looks special. Fast, quick, “make ’em miss” running style.

    He looks like he can add the proverbial new dimension to the Rams’ O. McVay is gonna love that.

    (I just hope they also experiment with jumbo packages, especially goal line and 3rd downs. More linemen, TEs, perhaps replace a running back with a DT on top of that. Confuse the D, and protect Goff at the same time)

    in reply to: Rams 3rd pick, David Long, CB #100405
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    I don’t remember seeing him play, but likely watched him a time or two without focusing, etc. As a Maryland fan, Michigan is in the picture.

    He tested off the charts when it comes to the short shuttle and 3-cone, for whatever that’s worth, and his vert is excellent. Fast in the 40, too, at 4.45.

    To the degree the testing tells us anything, he’s jitterbug quick. Should be excellent in the slot, and probably would have done a nice job on Edelman.

    Had excellent grades in school as well, and is another young player. Just turned 21 this past February.

    in reply to: Rams 2nd pick, Darrell Henderson, RB #100389
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    I like this pick, but the round tells us they’re worried about Gurley. Which we kinda sorta already knew.

    If it turns out that the Rams have to play a lot of Brown instead of Gurley, it may well be Henderson who offers a great change of pace.

    On the first pick, Rapp. Just saw that he had an injury (hip flexor) and that may have contributed to his slow 40. If so, I feel a lot better about it, if he can heal, etc. etc.

    And with Weddle, they can give him time to heal and work his way into the lineup over the course of the season. I also like that he doesn’t turn 22 until December. I think Henderson is young, too (2016 freshman). I pretty much always see that as a plus when drafting.

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    Hope you’re right, ZN.

    Seattle moved up to draft Metcalf immediately after the Rapp pick.

    It will be interesting to see Rapp covering Metcalf twice a year. Obviously, I hope I’m waaaay wrong and Rapp and the rest of the Rams shut him down.

    in reply to: Best remaining players, day 2 #100358
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    Who do you guys want for the Rams?

    I think they were wise to trade back, after the Clemson guys all came off the board, and the value for the rest of the D-line guys was no longer in the 1st Round range, basically — give or take.

    I really wanted Burns or Lawrence, especially. But now, they have a shot at some DBs who do give them 1st Round value, and it’s a need. Don’t know enough about them to say who’s the best . . . but my preference generally starts with “best athlete” and youngest, all other things being equal.

    Ideally — and this is, of course, all too rare — a big, seriously athletic DB. But I’ll take smaller players with speed and agility. They need to be tacklers too, though. Reports are that Greedy Williams fell because he’s not fond of tackling, and that’s not usually a helpful factor for a DB. Yes, he’s very fast, tall and athletic, and has excellent ball skills, but if a DB doesn’t like to tackle . . . . Umm, that’s not good.

    ;>)

    Going a bit against the grain, I’d love to see the Rams draft Hakeem Butler later. 6’4″ and some change, with long arms and huge hands, he wins jump balls. Strong vert, sub-4.5 speed. Would be an excellent Red Zone/matchup nightmare.

    Of course, the Rams are loaded at wideout. But they really don’t have a great jump ball guy. So it would further juice their offense. But the 2nd round probably belongs to DBs or guards this time.

    Thoughts?

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    A key takeaway is his discussion of the realm of necessity versus the realm of freedom. In economic terms, “socially necessary labor time” versus “socially available free time.”

    He reminds us that technological improvements — time-saving, labor-saving improvements — would convert into more socially available free time, if we were not under the thumb of capitalism. Using my own words/deductions, mixed with his ideas, this is because capitalism and capitalists convert those gains into profits instead. As in, we still work the same number of hours, if not more, even though socially necessary labor time has been reduced. Capitalists increase their profits when this happens. We the people don’t get to convert this into more time to become who we are, or find out who we ought to be.

    Also, Hagglund isn’t talking just about leisure time, per se (or necessarily) when he talks about “socially available free time.” He’s far more concerned with increasing the time (and tools) available for people to discover what it is they should do with their lives. Not just how to put bread on the table and roof over our heads. But what it is . . . for lack of a better expression . . . finding our bliss (Campbell). Hagglund doesn’t word it thusly, but that’s basically the gist. And, by bliss, I mean our chosen life’s work, not “hobbies” or momentary passions.

    Again, this is a truly important book, and in my not so humble opinion, a must-read for leftists, especially.

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    Since this is a work of non-fiction — of philosophy and political economy — I can safely cut to the end without spoiling it. Hagglund makes the case for democratic socialism, but defines it in a unique way. The journey to that point, however, is everything.

    As mentioned above, I can’t remember another book that made me feel so much in sync with an author. I loved the way he gets to democratic socialism as a necessary foundation for the kind of society we all should want. I love that he takes us on a journey from Abraham and Isaac, through Augustine, all the way to Kierkegaard, Hegel, Marx, Proust and Hayek, plus a host of others.

    His is primarily an immanent critique of both religion and capitalism, and why it’s necessary to critique both at the same time — borrowing a page from Marx who did this too. His main focus is on the finite nature of everyone’s life, and how this makes all life so precious, and how the quest for “eternal life” ironically goes against that sense of preciousness, diminishing the import of our one and only life in the Here and Now.

    For him, and for me, capitalism is all too similar. While he doesn’t say this explicitly, he implies what I have long felt: That the faith we have in capitalism is religious, not rational, and the faith we have in the “invisible hand” and “the markets” is religious, not rational. Hagglund goes deeper by showing how incompatible it is with both democracy and personal emancipation, with developing our selves to the fullest extent, because we’re means to an end (profits), not ends in themselves.

    in reply to: Anybody watching Game of Thones? #100193
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    I think The Wildling, who was breast fed by a “giant”, wants to breed with Jaime the Knight…..

    You mean, with Brienne the knight. Right?

    in reply to: Anybody watching Game of Thones? #100190
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    Possible spoiler here, but I don’t think it really “spoils” anything in the grand scheme, etc. etc.

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    I really liked seeing Jaime “knight” Brienne of Tarth, and perhaps her first true smile as a result. Much deserved and well played.

    in reply to: Anybody watching Game of Thones? #100188
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    I am. Liking it. Helped to rewatch all of last season before this one started.

    Reminded me how good it is, from the standpoint of production values, writing, acting, drama. Seriously compelling. For TV, it’s top of the heap, IMO. Many scenes rate that for “film” too.

    Trying to avoid spoilers, but, suffice it to say, next week (episode three) is gonna be the Biggie.

    in reply to: LIVE COMMENTARY ON THE ŽIŽEK-PETERSON DEBATE #100175
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    Thanks, Zooey, for the articles.

    Peterson is apparently quite the rock star among righties, but from what I’ve seen, he’s either extremely ignorant of actual leftist ideas, philosophies, policies, etc. etc. or cynically seeks to manipulate the discussion around unfounded monoliths, obscuring the radical diversity among leftists on all of these topics. Perhaps both.

    Basically, he wants everyone to associate Marx, Marxism, socialism and communism with Stalin and the USSR, rather than its much deeper tradition — nearly four centuries worth — of radical egalitarianism, real democracy, and the rejection of concentrations of wealth and power, including centralized states.

    As in, the vast majority of leftists, including Russians directly involved in the Revolution, didn’t want the USSR Lenin forged, must less Stalin’s. They didn’t risk their lives overthrowing the Czar only to replace it with another oppressive ruling class. They wanted an end to ruling classes, period, and “all power to the Soviets,” which meant back to communities under the umbrella of real democracy.

    Reading an excellent book by Martin Hagglund, This Life, which makes a brilliant case for Democratic Socialism, and, as a bi-product, shreds the idea of leftist monoliths. Will start another thread when I finish the book in a day or two. It’s a profoundly important work, IMO.

    https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/248368/this-life-by-martin-hagglund/9781101870402/

    in reply to: Counterpunch: 25 best books #100172
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    That looks like a great list. Want to read several on it.

    Have read just two. The Overstory and The Tangled Tree, which I’ve mentioned before. Both well worth reading.

    Richard Powers recently won a Pulitzer for The Overstory. A brilliant, important book, that will last.

    in reply to: Bug problem #99773
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    I hate to be a pest and all. But this thread is rilly, rilly bugging me!!

    in reply to: Hedges on Dems and russiagate #99752
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    Do you think the Rep-Amerikunz and the Dem-Amerikunz are ever gonna…um….wake up?

    I’ve never watched this show before, and don’t know the host, but he starts off with a howler, claiming Nicole Wallace is “from the left.” She’s a conservative Republican, worked for Dubya on his communications staff, and was a senior advisor to McCain in his campaign for president.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolle_Wallace

    Anyone who watches her show knows she’s conservative. Yes, she’s a Never-Trumper, but she hews to center-right positions politically.

    Methinks the host assumed she was “from the left” because she’s on MSNBC. Not a good assumption.

    Anyway, as for the discussion: I am worried about the heightened tensions in America. But I personally think “the left” makes a big mistake whenever it thinks this is a symmetrical issue. It’s not. The vast majority of the tension is generated by Republicans and the hard-right.

    . . . Right-wing Dems are a part of it as well, especially those who stand in front of AIPAC and denounce Ilhan Omar — thus making her point for her. But in general, this is primarily on Republicans, IMO.

    (Nothing in politics is symmetrical. The two parties aren’t equivalent on anything, really. They’re both rotten and need to go away. But they’re rotten to different degrees, for different reasons, and with different effects. And their “bases” are ever further apart.)

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