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Billy_TParticipantZooey,
This is spot-on:
If they really wanted to hurt them, they would have brought in witnesses. Witnesses would not only say, “Yeah, we have evidence that there were contacts between the WH and the Proud Boys,” they would also end up inevitably talking about what they know about the Capitol police’s complicity, and the tours of the building given by the fascist boys Jordan, Gosar, Gaetz and others the day before. Cruz and Hawley would be dragged into it. The Democrats had the ability in their hands to smack a deadly blow to the GOP. They didn’t. I speculated earlier as to Why, but they could have dragged the entire thing out in the open, and blown the top off the GOP. Instead, they declined to call witnesses, and made it very clear in their arguments that the congress was NOT on trial, only Trump, trying to give them an Out. It IS theatre, and they DO want to deal a blow, but unlike…the police, say…they are only interested in restraining the GOP, not executing it.
The Dems are forever bringing Roberts Rules of Order to a gun fight.
And, as usual, the GOP goes for the jugular. The Trump team of Mob lawyers had no scruples regarding going after the entire Democratic party. But the Dems continue(d) to try to make this only about Trump. They should have, and could have, destroyed the entire GOP, as you say, for direct and indirect complicity in a fascist coup.
I have no real idea why, just theories.
P.S. What’s with Cruz, Graham and Lee meeting, more than once, with Trump’s defense team? Why is that allowed?
Billy_TParticipantCovid sidenote:
Watching the proceedings. They’re being pretty good about masks, until they go up to the mic. Then they remove it and start to talk.
No one is wiping down the mic or the area before a new speaker holds forth.
I’d be very surprised if there aren’t some brand new cases of Covid, due to this oversight.
Billy_TParticipantAlso, while pretty much every politician lies up a storm, no one in history has ever come close to Trump. And his lies kill. The Dems just aren’t in the same universe when it comes to that.
Above and beyond the usual lies of omission our media tend to ignore, Trump was documented with more than 30,000 instances while president.
Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims as president. Nearly half came in his final year.
I feel like a massive weight is lifted from me now, just to be able to deal again with the usual political bullshit. While Trump was in office, we had all of that plus his own epic, never-before-seen level of mendacity, sadism and sociopathology.
Billy_TParticipantThe whataboutism employed by Trump’s third-stringers entirely missed the context in each case. There was no attempt to set it in context, or extend the quotes to include what was relevant. If they had done so, their BS would have been exposed.
And in no case did the Dems in question try to provoke actual violence. Trump did, and has from Day One. Repeatedly. Knowingly. Knowing that he was provoking fascists, neo-nazis, etc. etc.
And you know, WV, as a lawyer, you can’t mount an effective case for your client by saying, “But judge, lotsa people break the law!!”
What other people have done isn’t germane in this case. It’s about Trump. If they want to put those Dems on trial for what they did or said, win back Congress and go for it.
That’s not a defense of the Dems. That’s a defense of reality, in my view.
I agree with you about the entire system being horrible. But there’s a difference between the Dem wing versus the GOP and Trump. A difference worth caring about, IMO. Biden stopped the XL pipeline, for instance, reversed dozens of Trump’s earth-killing orders, stopped our support of the Saudi’s war in Yemen, and is actually trying to defeat the pandemic. Environmentalists are hopeful, for the first time in years, that progressive change is possible.
While we’re stuck with capitalism and empire, I think it matters which wing of the Money Party is in charge, and that neither wing attempts a violent coup.
Hope all is well in West Virginia.
Billy_TParticipantAnd I say the above as someone who has evolved over time regarding the criminal justice system overall. I think jail should be limited to violent criminals, only. No drug stuff, no non-violent, “victimless” offenses. All of that should be legalized, IMO, and if rehab is needed, that should be provided by the public sector.
If there’s a way to make amends through (serious) public service outside of jail, that’s the way to go. In short, it should be a last resort. Everything short of jail should be tried first.
Trump’s actions, however, going back to his first election race, where he tried to set up this same sort of thing if he had lost to Clinton, consistently included threats of violence, and all too often led to them. His words and deeds merit that rare use of jail, IMO. Easily.
Billy_TParticipantRepublicans, on the other hand, are sticking with Trump no matter the consequences because they simply can’t imagine a world in which they have to appeal to anything beyond white identity to win elections.
Another point of interest here is that the Democrats aren’t calling in witnesses. The GOP was shitting itself at the prospect, and my guess is that is because witnesses would have testified about who knew what and when, exposing the complicity (or outright support) of the Capitol police and several GOP congressmen, both in the House and Senate. It would have ripped the GOP in half, and decimated the party. But they would not have gone down without taking as many Democrats as possible down with them by bringing up ANYTHING they had on them, no matter how irrelevant to the Jan. 6 incident. I suspect the Dems caved on this in order to preserve “stability.” But that’s just armchair speculation. They have certainly been very careful to confine the case to Trump alone, however, and even tried to make the case that the GOP is not responsible as a whole.
I think the Dems did an excellent job overall with their presentation, but witnesses likely would have made it better. You make good points by saying they may have feared some sort of general exposure of non-germane issues. Who knows?
But my earlier take has only been solidified. Trump should have been arrested on January 6th, along with Nosferatu, Gosar, Cawthorne, Taylor-Greene, Boebert, Gohmert and anyone who worked for/with Trump to foment the coup. In fact, it’s appalling to me still that he’s able to walk about as if he didn’t use violence to cling to power. He did. And there’s not a shadow of doubt about that for me.
Whether folks despise Biden, see him as “meh,” or support him, is irrelevant. This is about Trump’s endless criminality and sociopathic actions. Not throwing him in jail for what he’s done just sets the table for a smarter, more clever, more “subtle” coup leader in the future, and that’s going to come from the far-right again.
That means POCs and “the left” will be in even more (existential) danger next time.
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Billy_TParticipantReport: Lions initially asked Rams for Aaron Donald in Matthew Stafford trade
for some reason it pisses me off that they would even have the balls to ask for aaron.
i know holmes comes from the rams and so maybe it was tongue in cheek. but still.
i’m seething right now.
Yeah, that ticks me off, too. Could be the Rams are getting a rep for being easy marks, when it comes to trades. That’s not good, obviously.
Again, they gave up waaay too much, IMO, for Stafford. But even the suggestion that the Rams would swap Donald for a QB? Get back to me on that one in 2023 or 2024, when Donald is 32/33. And then only for a Mahomes, Herbert, Allen or another young (Top Three) gunslinger.
Billy_TParticipantNot too many better combos in NFL history, on the outside, than Bruce and Holt. And, of course, the Rams didn’t stop there. The only thing they lacked, really, to make the other team just concede before the kickoff was a great tight end. Throw in a Kelce, Gonzalez, or a Billy Truax, and the Greatest Show on Turf would have turned into a full-on circus of horrors for opposing teams.
Holt should have made it, and this must has pissed off SanfRAM to no end. He was a huge Holt fan from Day One.
There’s always next year.
Billy_TParticipantWill Stafford upgrade and open up the offense? I’d bet on yes. But enough to lose Goff, and three draft picks, two of them being First Rounders?
yeah. that’s what i’m wondering myself.
the way some people talk about him he’s the next brett favre.
we’ll see. it was a lot to give up.
i will say that some very respected football minds really do like him. bruce arians being one of them. that caught my attention. and apparently shanahan really wanted him too.
we’ll see.
Yeah, I’ve actually been surprised that this trade wasn’t universally condemned by all the pundits. It just strikes me, frankly, as nutz, but some folks who study the game for a livin’ like it, apparently. So, who knows?
Just more amateur GM stuff, I know, but was thinking about a different kind of move they could have tried:
Go after a much younger QB, like Justin Hebert, for that same package. Would the Chargers have done that? The kid is just a freak of nature, and played extremely well as a rook. A legit 6’6″, with sub-4.7 speed, big hands, solid athleticism, and an Academic all-American (biology) . . . the latter is a key for me.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda stuff. But I wonder if they at least considered that route. I would have greatly preferred it.
Billy_TParticipantIMO, this isn’t a question of who’s the better QB right now. It’s Stafford. But, also IMNSHO, the difference just isn’t enough to warrant what was given up for him. I’d also say that when Goff was playing well, he was as good as, or better than, Stafford. And that was basically for the Rams’ entire Super Bowl year and parts of all his other seasons.
Will Stafford upgrade and open up the offense? I’d bet on yes. But enough to lose Goff, and three draft picks, two of them being First Rounders? No. Not in a million years. They gave up enough to get an elite QB, DE, LT, Corner, etc. Top three, at least. That’s not Stafford. Stafford is good, not elite. And he’s not young. Give up a king’s ransom for a player, and he should be entering his prime, not looking at the back nine of his career, etc.
And the more we’re learning about the circumstances of this trade, the more it sounds like McVay’s idea all the way. So if it pans out, he rightfully gets credit. But if it doesn’t, we really don’t need to scramble around, trying to figure out who did what, etc. This is McVay’s baby — it appears — from start to finish.
Obviously, I hope he’s right about this.
Billy_TParticipantI guess the Legend, John Wolford,
is a back-up QB, again.His star didnt quite reach Massey level.
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vOr the Hedgehog’s.
Of course, no Ram will ever be as deservedly famous as Billy Truax. I’ve been trying to get him carved into Mount Rushmore for years.
Billy_TParticipantLotsa good comments from all of youze.
Mobility. From my memory of watching Stafford, and then double-checking his Combine staff, I’d bet Goff is actually more mobile, and has taken fewer hits.
Stafford does have the better arm. Possibly by a lot. But he’s also streaky, and can make dumb throws at times, like Goff.
I’m honestly not seeing enough of a difference to warrant the trade, even One for One. And the age difference is important, IMO. As mentioned, I’d do it if the Lions had given the Rams a pick. And, of course, to get that salary relief. But for two #Ones and a #Third?!?! No way on earth would this particular amateur GM do that. Not even . . .
When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with MarsNot evah.
Hope I’m wrong. And cuz I have a good track record for that, I shouldn’t worry. But, when I read about the trade lastnight, I was shouting into the void all kinds of @#$%&! and @#$%&!. Luckily, I’ve learned Grawlix, so my neighbors couldn’t really tell.
Billy_TParticipantAnd another thing — apologies if this has already been mentioned:
Wanna find the fastest way to drive down the value of your own trade asset? Trash him publicly, or, at best, damn him with faint praise. Talk up how unsure you are about him being around much longer. Then seek a trade.
That’s just beyond stupid, and no doubt thrilled the Lions to hear.
Of all the questionable things the Rams FO has done in recent times, this takes the burnt cake. I can’t find, from any angle, a single aspect of this that makes any sense, much less points to intelligent management.
Is there a sports acronym for SNAFU?
Billy_TParticipantI like Stafford’s game. He has arm talent is in excess of Goff’s. But, game in, game out, his track record is meh. Yeah, you can blame a lot of that on his surroundings. But not all of it.
If I had to choose between either QB for right now, I’d take Stafford. But he’ll turn 33 next month, so I wouldn’t choose him over Goff to “build a team around.” Goff turns 27 in October. I’m taking him for the future.
But what I find truly appalling is how much the Rams gave up in this trade. To me, it really should have been a one to one swap, at most. In fact, the Lions should have given the Rams a draft pick. Instead, the Rams made a trade, in terms of value given away, for a perennial All-Pro, in the top five, league-wise, at least. That’s not Stafford.
Dumb, dumb, dumb trade. And the Rams basically mortgaged their future on this one.
Billy_TParticipantWell, after two days of mulling it over, I still think what I said on the 28th is brilliant. It’s in the stratosphere above all other sports commentary on the Rams. I mean it’s as if I were . . . um . . . well, divinely inspired, or something.

But I’ll add this, too. This all should have been handled “in house,” and we shouldn’t know about any of it, until after a trade or trades. It’s just not professional to blab this all over the place, though I’m not sure who said what to whom.
I’m also wondering, in connection with the threads about coaching losses, if the real issue is that McVay/Snead don’t seem to like hiring from within all that much. That can tend to kill morale too. Zooey might be onto something about staff not particularly liking to work for McVay/Snead, but I’m hoping it’s just the lack of insider hiring. That can be fixed.
Who knows? Has the hype gone to ‘ees ‘ed? As some British bloke likely never said. Or is this all just an upstart mountain within a much older mountain range?
Anyway, I think we’ll learn a hell of a lot more during the Combine and FA.
Hope all is well with youze guys.
Billy_TParticipantJust guessing: Goff has a confidence issue. You don’t motivate an insecure athlete by saying his status is insecure, especially in public. And if the idea is to get him to reduce his salary — so you can trade him — why would he do that? If he wants to stay with the Rams, why would he make it easier for the Rams to trade him — if that’s even possible? And, as others have mentioned, athletes don’t give back money, except in very rare scenarios. This is known, as Missandei would say.
Another guess: The Rams offense and Goff were at their best when they had the following:
1. A healthy Gurley to open up the passing game, cuz he scared the hell out of defenses. Rare athlete, with size and legit track speed.
2. A true vertical threat to open up the underneath passing game, especially for Woods and Kupp. Watkins and Cooks gave them that.
3. An O-line they could count on to protect GoffThe most generous way to look at the above, IMO, is that the Rams now lack two of three. Less than generous is that the O-line is too inconsistent to help Goff’s mental state.
To me, the Rams FO screwed up by paying Gurley and Goff too soon. It should be baked into the pie that football players get seriously hurt, and contracts need to reflect that. Running backs, especially. Running backs who come into the league with knee issues more than especially.
(I loved the Gurley pick, and rooted for him from Day One. He was the best running back in the league for at least two seasons, but it was never gonna last. The Rams FO should have taken its time and paid him when they needed to, not two years early. Same with Goff.)
Anyway . . . on balance, I’m good with the trajectory of this team, but I also think they’ve made some serious mistakes that were avoidable. Hope I’m wrong, but it looks like they may be at it again.
Billy_TParticipantAs I’ve gotten older — and hopefully wiser — I’ve changed my mind a bit about the relative importance of coaching. Used to weight it far behind player talent. Not so anymore. I still think you win with superior athletic talent, and that it’s the most important factor, but that coaching talent is close.
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Andy Reid’s career is interesting. For so long he was “the good coach who couldnt win the big one.” Kinda like Shottenheimer or maybe Robinson for the Rams.
Enter Mahommes.
Now Reid is Mr Hall of fame coach.
I think it will interesting to see what Belichick
can do over the next few years, without Brady.w
vYeah, as the young kids used to say, That’s what I’m talking about.
I think a great coach can help a mediocre bunch of players “win.” But he can’t get them to the Super Bowl. In my view, pretty much never. In a game as physically and athletically demanding as NFL football, it’s just not gonna happen. At least in this era. Maybe 60 years ago, when training, diet (etc.) was hit and miss, but not now.
At the same time, a mediocre coach can degrade a superior group of athletes, screw with their heads, put them in the wrong position, fail to utilize their gifts, talents and so on. He can create a bad atmosphere so the players just don’t give a damn.
In short, I (basically) think the coach has a greater (potential) impact on the downside than the upside, relative to the import of the players themselves. But the flow goes back and forth, obviously. And, again, coaching really does matter a ton.
So I’ll take a good coach with a great team over a great coach with a good team eight days a week and twice on Sunday. When I was younger, though, I would have been fine with an even larger gap between players and coaches.
Brady? He just defies belief at this point. I don’t get it. I would have written him off before the season started. He proved me wrong (and right, in a way).
Billy_TParticipantEmory Hunt@FBallGameplan
What makes Eric Bienemy such a great coordinator, is his understanding of personnel. He thinks ‘players, not plays’ in critical situations. That’s a very tough thing for many coordinators to graspI would have thought every coach would know this.
As I’ve gotten older — and hopefully wiser — I’ve changed my mind a bit about the relative importance of coaching. Used to weight it far behind player talent. Not so anymore. I still think you win with superior athletic talent, and that it’s the most important factor, but that coaching talent is close.
But one aspect of that coaching talent has to be to recognize player talent and how to best utilize it — macro and micro-wise. Isn’t that fundamental and obvious?
What good is a play, a scheme, even a team philosophy, if the personnel is all wrong for it?
Syncronicity, harmony, meshing, blending, etc. etc.
January 24, 2021 at 4:44 pm in reply to: Trumpie behaviors (examples of that, plus comments on that) #127174
Billy_TParticipantI know most everyone is sick of talking about, thinking about, having anything to do with Trump and his regime — perhaps politics in general. I feel the same way, and I look forward to a 2021 when I begin to detach from it all, hopefully for good.
But I also think it’s vital that before we “move on,” we take an honest look at the horrors he brought upon the world, and how close we came to the end of even our kinda sorta maybe democracy. We came within whiskers of Trump staying in office for as long as he cared to, via a violent coup, and/or torturing all the levers of power he could get away with . . . and that’s not hyperbole.
One of his key methods for accomplishing his goals of absolute power was, of course, the Lie. His final, documented tally came to over 30,000, and that’s just beyond surreal. No previous politician has come within light years of such a figure, and it literally killed people. His lies about Covid, for instance, were the biggest vector of misinformation about the disease, according to several recent studies, including this one from Cornell:
Trump has been the biggest source of Covid-19 misinformation, study finds
*ZN, if you want to move this to another thread, a farewell tour of Trumplandia, perhaps, please feel free.
January 24, 2021 at 8:45 am in reply to: Trumpie behaviors (examples of that, plus comments on that) #127158
Billy_TParticipantUm, a drop box, in the middle of a pandemic, is sanity, rationality, and logic all wrapped up in a smart package, and easily supported by the Constitution.
Calling that “harvesting” is like calling the entire vote, for Trump or Biden, “harvesting.”
Of course, the real issue here is this: It was always about projection and confession by Trump and the GOP. It was always designed to create the false narrative that the Dems were trying to cheat, when, in reality, it was Trump and the Republicans engaging in the(ir usual) cheating, rigging, stealing.
Best defense is a good offense, etc. etc.
And as everyone here knows, the GOP has been doing this for generations. Set up a “voter fraud commission,” whenever they’re in power, try to cover for their own cheating, and put the Dems back on their heels. In no case has their own commission ever found any substantial fraud. The most recent, massive non-partisan study, which looked at all votes cast between 2000 and 2014, came up with something like 30 votes, total. Out of roughly a billion.
Goddess, I despise right-wing politics and parties!!
January 24, 2021 at 8:30 am in reply to: The Meaning of Mittens: or, would you date a centrist #127157
Billy_TParticipantAs mentioned by Cal and WV on this thread, it’s obviously not enough. But it is a major, positive departure from Trump’s presidency.
I hope Biden and the Dems go Bigger, much further, and always keep the supreme urgency of the issues in mind.
We’ll see.
To borrow the oft-used phrase, I’m cautiously optimistic.
January 24, 2021 at 8:28 am in reply to: The Meaning of Mittens: or, would you date a centrist #127156
Billy_TParticipantHow Biden’s executive order could reduce hunger today — and long after the pandemic is over
Excerpt:
Opinion by
Catherine Rampell
Columnist
Jan. 23, 2021 at 9:00 a.m. ESTStories of deep, pervasive hunger have been among the more disturbing undercurrents of the past year. Food lines stretch for miles. About 29 million U.S. adults — nearly 14 percent of the adult population — said last month that their household sometimes or often didn’t have enough to eat in the previous seven days, according to the Census Bureau’s most recent Household Pulse Survey. The shares are even higher among Blacks, Latinos and households with children.
Congress has temporarily increased food assistance over the past year in response to the coronavirus pandemic, but the benefits are still not sufficient. Even with Congress’s temporary increases, for example, the average food stamp recipient still receives only $2.30 per person, per meal, according to estimates from Dottie Rosenbaum, a senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. (Before the pandemic, the average benefit was closer to just $1.40 per person, per meal; without changes to law or administration policy, it would be slated to return to this level once the public health emergency ends.)
On Friday, however, President Biden took some important steps toward relieving this hardship. As part of an executive order on economic relief, Biden set in motion three major changes to food assistance programs.
January 24, 2021 at 8:24 am in reply to: The Meaning of Mittens: or, would you date a centrist #127154
Billy_TParticipantTrump went out of his way (for four/five years) to be absolutely sadistic to poor people, migrants, people of color in particular, and minorities and leftists in general. He was easily this earth’s biggest enemy, as far as American presidents go, historically. It’s not close.
Biden won’t be that. He’s already, in just a few days, cancelled the Keystone XL pipeline, reversed Trump executive orders that had slashed food support for the hungry, etc, and has stopped or reversed dozens of orders Trump had implemented to kill the environment. He’s also surrounded himself with people who actually care about the environment and the poor.
I’m very hopeful he’ll be just fine, relatively speaking. Oh, and he got us back into the WHO and the Paris Climate Treaty.
Track all of Biden’s executive orders and actions as president
All too many leftist pundits-with-audiences, IMO, will always be afraid to say anything good about the Dems, much less a centrist to conservadem like Biden. I’m no pundit, so I can give him kudos when he deserves them.
(The usual caveat: We’re pretty much limited by existing realities in our comparisons. Major party versus major party. Which sucks. Would that we had real choices, as far as designing agendas and necessary fixes, etc., . . . true problem-solving, logical, rational common goals, ideals, etc.)
Billy_TParticipantJoseph-Day has impressed me. I think they hit on that late pick. I know he hates his new nickname, but it kinda fits. Seabass has game. I like Brockers, too.
It shouldn’t be that tough to transition, really. But they’re still going to need to bring in some youngins, cuz Brockers will turn 31 in season, and Donald will be 30. Got some yute if they keep Williams, who fits the hogmolly mode, kinda. Don’t really know what they have in Gaines yet.
You can never have too much talent at D-line.
That’s what initially drew me to the Rams in the first place, back in the 1960s. The Fearsome Foursome. I want them to get that all back, updated for 2021!
Billy_TParticipantIf I have the LDE and RDE rolls reversed, I can blame it all on lack of coffee. And, well, age.
;>)
You do but it’s okay obviously! You do the defense from their own right to left. Quinn was the RDE, same spot as Wistrom. Long was the LDE, same spot as Carter.
I personally think they have several candidates for DT and LDE–Brockers, Ramsey, Joseph-Day, Gaines, Fox. If they kept Floyd I would put him at RDE.
Yeah, I thought about that after I posted. Quinn rushed from the RDE spot, primarily. And I also remembered, traditionally, at least, that the blindside protector is the Left Tackle. Pace, among the greatest evah. So, that means the RDE going against him should be the most athletic.
Mea cupla. Mea maxima culpa, as my aunt used to say.
Billy_TParticipantIf I have the LDE and RDE rolls reversed, I can blame it all on lack of coffee. And, well, age.
;>)
Billy_TParticipantI’ve always preferred the 4/3. And will be happy to go back to that, with caveats.
I thought that Phillips actually didn’t have the personnel for a 3/4. And the Rams didn’t until this past year, when they finally had a surfeit of true long and lean edge guys. They finally, IMO, had the right guys for a 3/4 to really work well, and now they may switch.
As ZN and others have mentioned, they really don’t have the guys, now, for a proper 4/3. But that can be remedied. Again, in my opinion, they need a hogmolly to play DT next to Donald, get Davis to put on a bit of good weight for LDE, and hopefully retain Floyd for that side’s rotation. Traditionally, anyway, you want your blindside rusher to be super athletic. Those two players fit the bill.
(Robert Quinn, in his best years, was absolutely perfect for LDE)
So, they just need to find a bigger, edge-setting RDE to go along with Davis and (hopefully) Floyd.
Not sure what happens to Hollins, Ekuban, and Rivers, who all had their moments. Rams probably can’t keep ’em. It’s a bad time to be in cap hell. Gotta hit on all of their picks!
Billy_TParticipantDid the Rams receive any compensation for losing Staley?
I’m not exactly clear about the new NFL policy.
I believe compensation is for minorities. A strategy to get more jobs for them.
Thanks.
Sounds like a good program. So if the Rams hire Morris, Atlanta likely receives comp, right?
Since it’s not a subtraction from teams, but an addition from a separate pool, there is no incentive to deny access to coaches . . . if I understand it correctly.
Again, I like it.
Billy_TParticipantDid the Rams receive any compensation for losing Staley?
I’m not exactly clear about the new NFL policy.
Billy_TParticipantDoes anyone doubt that if Obama and Dem enablers had done this, that if the shoe had been entirely on the other foot, they would have been arrested immediately? With the full support of the GOP as well?
I don’t.
And I honestly think Trump should have been arrested on January 6th, along with Giuliani, Gosar, Brooks and Cawthorne, and anyone else who was involved in whipping up the violent mob — whipping up the mob into violence.
To me, this isn’t at all about “free speech,” or “protected political speech,” and I don’t see it as a civil liberties issue, either. IMNSHO, when you incite violence, and this is all based on lies, you have to be held to account.
Fair trial, impartial jury, no kangaroo courts. But you get a taste of your own beloved “law and order,” at least.
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