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As to the question regarding how these things transfer from generation to generation. It’s pretty much how things like religious preference transfer, too. A lot of people just “trust” their parents and don’t think they’d tell them something that was wrong — to believe in or do. Lots of studies also show that people will dig in even deeper when confronted with evidence that goes against their beliefs.
These studies say this is more common with those on the right than the left — but it’s something that impacts a lot of people. They dig in. They’re just more likely to believe their own parents, or their ministers, or their neighbors, than any “ivory tower egg-head.” Though I’m sure they’re using different terms for that these days.
Sadly, changing these attitudes is just going to take time, and we’ll have to move through the generations a bit longer. It’s so much a part of our American history, as you’ve noted . . . and even with people like Lincoln, who fit the classic definition of “racist,” at least until his last two years or so. And he was one of the good guys in his day, being an anti-slavery advocate for his entire adult life.
Tragedy, thy name is America.
Apparently, “conceal carry rights” only apply to white guys. And it’s yet one more case where the existence of a gun escalates an encounter into a deadly one. The mere existence.
Conceal carry should be illegal, and there is no Constitutional grounds to protect it. “Keep and bear arms” — if we ignore the militia context. Keep and bear. Not keep and hide.
But the main issue here looks like police racism, which comes from societal racism, which is helped along via endless denial of that racism by all too many white people.
Aah, should have read that more carefully. James says it’s a hard-drive failure. That pretty much closes off any software solutions, obviously. They’re going to have to replace the SSD drives and install a new OS, and all of their webserver software on top of that — and that’s extensive. Complicated configuration on top of the installation, etc. I’m guessing Troy uses Linux. That does take time. Windows might be faster to install, but most IT folks think it’s less secure than Linux. Debates about that. But most like Linux more.
Another one of those bottom lines: If you’re being consistent about unemployment, you would have been raging against high levels under every American president going back generations, at least. If this just started with Obama for you (as in, for Trump and his supporters), then you have zero credibility. I don’t remember hearing Trump complain about this during Bush’s presidency, for example. How convenient to say the stats just suddenly went bogus with Obama in the White House.
bnw,
It should be obvious. Just look what I quoted. You say unemployment is low. You believe the unemployment data. I don’t. When people compare it to other times it means nothing since the methodology was changed. Thats why I use Shadow Stats to get as close to an apple to apple stat as possible.
The ShadowStats Alternate Unemployment Rate for May 2016 is 23.0%
I missed this comment the first time through.
The part in bold. No. The methodology hasn’t really changed, though the data collection has gotten better, and they look at U1 – U6 now. They’ve been using the Current Population Survey (CPS) method since 1940, when it was first instituted as a part of FDR’s WPA programs. Which is why I said if you compare apples to apples, it’s a very low unemployment figure. Far from perfect, and the government says as much. It’s an estimate, one that does let a lot of people slip through the cracks, especially those who have given up looking for work after a certain period of time.
From Wiki:
The Bureau of Labor Statistics measures employment and unemployment (of those over 15 years of age) using two different labor force surveys[35] conducted by the United States Census Bureau (within the United States Department of Commerce) and/or the Bureau of Labor Statistics (within the United States Department of Labor) that gather employment statistics monthly. The Current Population Survey (CPS), or “Household Survey”, conducts a survey based on a sample of 60,000 households. This Survey measures the unemployment rate based on the ILO definition.[36]
The Current Employment Statistics survey (CES), or “Payroll Survey”, conducts a survey based on a sample of 160,000 businesses and government agencies that represent 400,000 individual employers.[37] This survey measures only civilian nonagricultural employment; thus, it does not calculate an unemployment rate, and it differs from the ILO unemployment rate definition. These two sources have different classification criteria, and usually produce differing results. Additional data are also available from the government, such as the unemployment insurance weekly claims report available from the Office of Workforce Security, within the U.S. Department of Labor Employment & Training Administration.[38] The Bureau of Labor Statistics provides up-to-date numbers via a PDF linked here.[39] The BLS also provides a readable concise current Employment Situation Summary, updated monthly.[40]
U1–U6 since 1950, as reported by the Bureau of Labor StatisticsThe Bureau of Labor Statistics also calculates six alternate measures of unemployment, U1 through U6, that measure different aspects of unemployment:[41]
You don’t know shit about the topic at hand the safeguarding and managing access to federal documents especially sensitive or higher. But that will never stop you.
Ease up, bnw. You’re making it personal again.
Yes, I know about the topic at hand. And I’m guessing Comey knows a lot more than either of us. He didn’t think it amounted to anything illegal. I don’t either. I just see it as stupid, arrogant, reckless and negligent of Clinton. And if we jailed people for those things, not many Americans would be able to walk down the street. They’d be in jail, too.
Money is not fictional. Money has intrinsic value. Federal Reserve Notes are not money and are quite fictional. Printing the $1 bill costs just as much as printing the $100 bill.
What do you mean by “money” then? It’s currency. And no currency has any intrinsic value other than what humans agree to. As in, it’s a fiction we agree to. Well, at least the rich and powerful agree to this, and then we go along with that.
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Better trade deals. Bringing money back from abroad to create jobs here in the US. I’ve answered this many times.
Come on, bnw. Even you have to admit that’s incredibly vague. What exactly does “better trade deals” mean? Specifically? And how will Trump bring money back here from abroad? Details, please. And what policy would he implement to turn that money into jobs?
Seriously, you haven’t answered this. Nor has Trump. He’s far, far too vague about everything.
Billy,
What is really funny is that you of all people are concerned about the national debt!
(Tried to respond multiple times over a half hour but keep getting 403 Forbidden message when quoting your post.)
Unlike most people on the right, I actually favor paying for the government we use, as we use it. Most on the right prefer steep tax cuts, which create massive deficits and debt.
I’d rather raise tax rates on the wealthy so we can balance the budget. Of course, that’s under our current system. I’ve also put forward ways to make it so we don’t need any taxation at all, and there is no debt.
Money is a fiction. It’s an agreed upon fiction. Like capitalism, nation-states and religion. We could very easily agree to a different kind of fiction, one that benefits 100% of us, instead of just the 1%.
But if we remain in our current fiction, yeah. I’d prefer we have no debt. Though it’s economic suicide to try to pay it down during a recession or a weak recovery. The time to do that is when the economy is doing well. The CBO, for instance, told Bush back in 2000/2001 that if he just left tax rates alone, we could pay off the entire debt by 2009. He cut rates for the rich twice — 2001 and 2003 — and doubled the debt instead.
And I’m still waiting for you to tell us how Trump would bring back jobs.
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Btw, when you say rich people create jobs? Um, no. Consumer demand for products and services create them. Rich people don’t want to hire any workers at all. They only hire them when they have to to meet demand.
Nick Hanauer “Rich people don’t create jobs”
Also: Trump calls for massive tax cuts for the rich. This will result in massive job losses — unless the government just puts the ginormous lost revenues on our national credit card. His tax cut plan will add an additional 10 trillion in debt over the course of his presidency, if he wins. That’s in addition to any debt that would be accrued without those tax cuts.
Interesting. So in a nation with an extremely high rate of unemployment, talking about the good ole USA here, you say-
Trump wouldn’t have a problem with rich foreigners coming to this country since they can pay their way and can create and finance jobs for other US citizens?
WELL DUH! It’s about the ECONOMY! JOBS. JOBS. JOBS. JOBS.
Actually, our rate of unemployment is rather low (4.7%), if we’re comparing apples with apples, and not using a different metric for the past than we use today. It’s pretty low. Though this is also a bit of a scam, foisted upon us by capitalists in general and the Fed in particular, who consider anything under 5% “full employment.” Of course, “full employment” would be 0% unemployment, not some number under 5%. But that’s another story and it has to do with capitalism’s desire for a standing army of the unemployed, at all times, to kill worker leverage and keep wages down. And that has absolutely nothing to do with refugees and immigrants.
But, again, you keep talking about jobs jobs jobs. And I keep asking you to post Trump’s plan for creating them. He doesn’t have one. He’s never put forward any plan to create them. All he does is demagogue about black and brown people, immigrants, refugees, undocumented workers, etc. who don’t impact our wages one iota or take away our jobs. Corporations, the rich and the capitalist system itself do that.
Bnw, can you please post Trump’s plan for “creating jobs”? I’ve asked several times now.
I’m still waiting for the first expression of an actual policy from Trump. He’s never presented one. On any subject. With him, it’s all word salad and repetition of the same old same old tired xenophobic rants.
What would he actually do about jobs, shit wages, crappy conditions for workers? What, exactly, has he proposed? Cuz just saying he’ll “renegotiate” trade deals is meaningless. What will go in them? And will he continue the pattern of letting financial and business elites write them — which really means writing endless loopholes for American businesses to slip through and screw over American workers and workers in all trade zones.
Trump has no history of doing anything for labor, and no specific plans to bring jobs home. Anyone who thinks that it’s all the fault of black and brown immigrants and refugees obviously doesn’t have a clue about how the economy works, who pulls the strings, who sets up winners and losers and why.
When America sets up trade deals, it does so to protect the wealthy, to protect profits for rich executives and their corporations. It does this and destroys labor leverage and all smaller and weaker competitors in its wake. That’s not on immigrants and refugees. That’s on people like Trump.
What will he do to stop himself and people like him from screwing over American workers and workers all over the globe?
Oh, for chrissakes. He has said that the Mexicans coming here are the worst society has to offer. “When Mexico sends you its people, they’re not sending their best…They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”
Never mind that Mexico isn’t “sending” anybody, that statement is appalling, and there is no way to get out of the fact that it is racist. And inflammatory.
What he said above should have been enough to disqualify him. All by itself. But he’s added to that pile of excrement since then. Just today, he was still saying we can’t let any Syrians in the country, because we don’t know where they come from — more Palinesque word salad — and that people were flooding over the border. They aren’t. It wasn’t that long ago that he insisted that “thousands of Muslims cheered in New Jersey on 9/11.” That, also, all by itself, should have been enough to sink his candidacy. But he’s the ultimate teflon racist and xenophobe, and his supporters continue to make endless excuses for his dangerous and incendiary behavior.
It’s not an accident that he has a large white supremacist following, or that he seems to retweet things from their websites all too often.
Though, really, when all is said and done, it doesn’t matter if Trump himself is a racist or not: He is obviously trying his best to appeal to them, to stoke the fires of racism and bigotry and xenophobia in America, to gin up white fears of black and brown people and bring out the ugliest side this country can present to the world. And remaining silent about this is obviously wrong as well. To play nice with Trump and his supporters is playing nice with racism, bigotry and xenophobia.
Why should we? Seriously? What should anyone feel the necessity to treat Trump as anything other than a con-artist and a dangerous bigot?
Well, even if one enters the reality-tunnel of that writer, and even if one tries to find some logic in his article, it doesn’t demonstrate that Trump is not a racist. I mean, for example, one could love Jews and still be anti-muslim, right?
Also this: “…the American Left was on-record supporting slavery, segregation, lynching and, as noted by historians…”
Linking the so-called ‘left’ to slavery and lynching is kinda meaningless because it lacks any context. I mean in the 1850’s you had all kinds of mainstream people supporting slavery. It wasn’t a ‘left vs right’ thing. And in the 1910’s and 20’s you had plenty of Dems and plenty of Reps supporting lynching of minorities. It wasn’t a ‘left vs right’ thing. It was an American thing.
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vNow now lets just drag that timeline forward 100 years since the democrats were flagrantly racist in the 1950s too. Sen. Byrd wasn’t alone in your state.
But that’s not “the left.” Will you at least admit that Jeffrey Lord is wildly mistaken in asserting that the KKK was a “leftist” organization, and that the Nazis were? We can at least agree there, correct?
Again, there is a huge difference between the Democratic Party and “the left.” They’re not the same things. And, again, historically, the Dems had all kinds of far-right congresscritters, generally in the South (pre-1965), just as the GOP once had folks on the center-left. No longer, of course. They’ve all but purged themselves of the center-right these days. With the rise of the tea party, they’re dominated by folks to the right of the center right.
