Who Is Nick Foles?

Some Eagles fans on Foles

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He showed that he was an average QB in 2014. The 2013 season seemed to have been more of a case of a dominant O-Line and DeSean Jackson and the introduction of Chip Kelly’s offense. Teams have found film and can gameplan against it now.

Marc Trestman looked like a genius in 2013 too….

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I’ve watched all of his tape, and he’s Average…I think he CAN be a starter somewhere but not over some of these proven guys in the NFL

Just a brief snippet so i dont start a rant 2012: 7 games, 1,699 yards, 6 TDs, 5 INTs, 60.8 cmp % 2013: 13 games, 2,891 yards, 27 TDs, 2 INTs, 64 cmp % 2014: 8 games, 2,163 yards, 13 TDs, 10 INTs, 59.8 cmp %

Foles stat lines are very servicable especially with everyones favorite stat line for reference ever in 2013, but dissecting him for what he is will show you he has alarming issues, like the fact that despite 2013 he is not an Aaron Rodgers type who is careful with the ball, that is simply not him, theres a stat somewhere that has said he has started 59 games in both College and NFL and has thrown 50 INTs, let alone all of the dropped and swatted away INTs that should have been in his Pro Career, another flaw is his pocket pressence is average at best and people can blame it on the O line but Foles was not hurried THAT much more than he was in 2013

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Foles just played worse. His deep throws we’re off, he didn’t throw receivers open like the previous year and his awesome pump fakes were non-exsistant. He just played worse, it wasn’t all the changes around him.

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He isn’t a threat with his legs, at all. I don’t doubt in the least that he’s a good NFL quarterback but if the Eagles are all in on Chip then I think we have to lock down a dual threat QB to get the whole effect.

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I’ll start this off by saying: I’m a huge Foles fan. I think he’ll be a franchise QB in his time in the league, and last year he put the team on his back in multiple situations and is given no credit for it.

That being said: Chip has a very specific goal of what he wants this team to be, and that vision has Marcus Mariota at the QB spot. I didn’t think we would go after him, but the past two weeks has removed any doubt of that from my mind. We have Sanchez as a backup again who knows the system and Foles has enough tape to make him a very attractive pickup for any team with a QB need. He’s in the final year of his rookie contract so if we’re going to trade him it has to be now.

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wv wrote:

Foles isn’t a pressure quarterback

That’s my worry.

wv wrote:

More:

“…Foles isn’t a pressure quarterback.

That limitation would be mitigated IF the Rams develop a solid OL and a really powerful running game.

I’m drinking the Foles Koolaid. I like him.

I’m seriously about to order his jersey.

rfl wrote:

“Foles isn’t a pressure quarterback.”

That limitation would be mitigated IF the Rams develop a solid OL and a really powerful running game.

I know why you say that…but the way I personally evaluate qbs, comeback ability and playing well in clutch situations is the single most important criterion (after the physical stuff like arm and release and so on).

And…I don’t know about Foles yet.

I am not throwing the entire season out. I just don’t know about Foles yet when it comes to clutch situations, and I really count performance in clutch situations higher than almost any other factor…with things like accuracy coming in after that.

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Cal wrote:

He looks pretty good in the clutch to me. He only lost 2 games he started last year.

In the Eagles 1st loss against the 9ers with the eagles down 26-21, Foles led the offense to the 9ers 1 before he threw two incomplete passes after the 2 minute warning to bring an end to the comeback. Before the last 2 incomplete passes, he was 6/10 for 94 yards.

In the 2nd loss to the Cards, Foles led the Eagles to a fg that put the Eagles up 20-17 with less than 2 minutes in the game. The Cards responded with a quick 75 yard td pass. Foles then led the offense from the 20 to the Cards 16 in 1:30 or so & two timeouts before running out of time.

In the 2013 playoff game, Foles last possession was a td drive that put the Eagles up by 1 with 5 minutes left. Brees led the Saints to a game winning fg drive and the Eagles never saw the ball again.

See that’s the kind of stuff I like to hear about.

Grading this trade is kind of convoluted.

There are many possibilities.

Each coach could be wrong about 1 of the 2 qbs. Or both coaches could be wrong about both of them.

Or only 1 coach could be wrong, but it depends on which one he is wrong about.

Or both could be right, but for completely different reasons.

“I’m pleased to meet you, my name’s Nick”

“Nick? What does that name mean?”

“Oh, nothing. My Dad thought of it while he was shaving.”

wv wrote:

Who do ya wanna draft, Maddy?

I think there are still enough needs to take the BPA at one of those need positions. OL, LB, CB, QB, WR – take the best guy from the position of least supply, or just take the best guy if you like him best by far.

I am leery of using an early pick on a questionable or so-so second or third tier QB, just because we need to get one. Mediocre QBs don’t seem that hard to find.

I do think there is something to the “keep drafting receivers” approach. If one of the big timers are sitting there, I wouldn’t disagree with taking one.

We need multiple OL. I’d like to dip into that pool kind of early at least once.

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jrry32

Foles’s arm is averageish. IMO, he’s currently post elbow injury Carson Palmer(which caused Palmer to go from having a strong arm to averageish arm strength).(So Palmer from 2009 to now). Seems like people tend to overstate the arm strength of tall QBs. Might be because of their height, they can throw passes with less arc. But Foles’s arm strength is nothing special. He doesn’t have Flacco’s or even Bradford’s arm strength. Seems like people tend to overstate the arm strength of tall QBs. Might be because of their height, they can throw passes with less arc. But Foles’s arm strength is nothing special. He doesn’t have Flacco’s or even Bradford’s arm strength.

He has the potential to be more than that if he shores up his footwork and shows more consistency under pressure…if that happens, he can be like prime Matt Schaub or Matt Ryan.

Why a Ryan comparison? Ryan’s physical tools aren’t impressive(underwhelming mobility, average arm strength, etc.). He’s just a smart, instinctive, and accurate QB. Keep in mind that the knock on young Matt Ryan was that he was a poor deep thrower. Which is one of the big knocks on Foles.

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EzioAuditore

Eagles fan here. I hope the trade works out for both teams. I have to be honest, I was not a fan of the deal, and I think Chip Kelly got taken, so I hope he can make something out of Bradford’s talent. Just wanted to come by and share overall thoughts on Foles for having watched him every game he has played in the NFL.

To give you an opinion on Foles, it has to be broken down by years, because the contrast in his three NFL seasons(specifically 2013 and 2014) are so great. He looked like a completely different QB in both seasons.

I’ll start with 2013, because 2012 was a disastrous season under Andy Reid, and he only came in because of horrible circumstances. He played okay. He played like you’d expect a rookie to play like.

2013 was a special year for Nick Foles. He was accurate, decisive, poised, confident. Showed excellent accuracy and touch all over the field. He stepped up into the pocket, he was money on his down-the-field throws. He was very mechanically sound. He never lost confidence in himself, the offense, or his weapons, and that was a huge reason why he finished the season with only two INTs. He even showed some mobility, rushing for around 250 yards. The speed of the offense didn’t phase him, and there was nothing defense threw at him that he couldn’t handle. However, he had a game vs Dallas early in the season where he looked absolutely horrible. Some speculated he was concussed(although this was disputed). He just looked like he didn’t belong on the field. So, how does he follow up that disastrous performance? Throwing for an NFL record 7 TD passes the following game in Oakland. Mental toughness is a pretty strong trait of Foles. That is where Foles’ season really took off. He had an incredible stretch through game #14 vs Minnesota, where the magic started to fizzle out just a tiny bit. But he was still plenty good, and led the Eagles to a playoff birth, and led his offense down to a game leading score against the Saints in the Wild Card round, before the defense let up a late FG.

2014 was a totally different story. From his first preseason game, he looked uncomfortable. Most Eagles fans chalked it up to offseason rust, but this continued into the regular season. Whenever the slightest bit of pressure got to him, he looked scared, flustered, and uncomfortable. He would backpedal and throw off his backfoot constantly. Looked overwhelmed many a time. Granted, the offensive line had taken many injuries, but they actually protected him pretty well for the most part. He had some games here and there(like against the Redskins) where he took a lot of hits. Nick Foles’ decision-making also took a major hit. He completely missed wide open receivers, made the wrong reads, and forced throws unnecessarily. He had many of those “What in the hell was he thinking?!” throws, to which he had very few, if any, in 2013. Turnovers went way up. Before he got hurt, he was hovering around the NFL lead. Foles still showed signs of quality play, he was just very inconsistent. His best and most impressive game, surprisingly, was probably the home game against the Redskins where he was battered to a pulp. This brings up one of Foles’ best qualities: toughness. It’s odd, because while he did not handle a pass rush well in 2014, when he did get hit, he would get right up and gut it out. He did that, up until the Houston Texans game where he broke his collarbone and it ended his season.

Foles has always displayed that clutch factor. Foles can play a very poor game, but strap it in, in the 4th quarter and lead his team down for a critical score. He has a cool, calm demeanor and you never see a guy who gets mentally phased out of a game. So, which one is the real Foles? Logic would have one assume somewhere in the middle. I hope closer to 2013 on the scale, since I like Nick and want to see him succeed in the NFL for a long time. I think building his confidence early is key for him in 2015, so he can forget about 2014 and get back to a high level of play again. Having top notch pass protection will be key for the Rams in this regard.

Other:

-Foles has a pretty slow delivery on his passes.

-He has been injured a few times in his career already so far.

-His arm is stronger than people give him credit for.

-Very good locker room guy. Class act. Respected by his teammates.

-Has a basketball background. While he looks very clumsy and oafy at times, he is a half decent athlete for a guy his size.

-Has a pretty wealthy family. Isn’t one of those “I need to break the bank to support my family” guys. Not sure that will ever impact contract negotiations, but a random factoid nonetheless.

EzioAuditore

Eagles fan here. I hope the trade works out for both teams. I have to be honest, I was not a fan of the deal, and I think Chip Kelly got taken, so I hope he can make something out of Bradford’s talent. Just wanted to come by and share overall thoughts on Foles for having watched him every game he has played in the NFL.

ETC.

Some follow up.

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EzioAuditore

[in 2014] you could tell from the very first preseason game he just wasn’t the same Nick Foles. He just looked different and uncomfortable in the pocket.

If I had to guess, I’d say it was a combination of things. For one, I think it’s close to impossible to repeat his 2013 season, so maybe he tried too hard to be the same guy, and he became too mechanical instead of just going out and not thinking too much? That could be part of it. I also think the instability of the offensive line played a role as well. They played well for him at times, but it’s possible he didn’t trust them.

Nick Foles doesn’t have an impressive skill set. He has a quality arm, but not a rocket. He isn’t overly mobile, he has a slow delivery, and he isn’t smooth or fluid in his movements. Your jaw will never drop watching Nick Foles play football. So I’m thinking it’s also possible that he simply regressed to the mean after his amazing 2013, and maybe it was just one of those drop-off seasons that many players have.

I think just through experience alone, he’ll get better, so I’d tend to believe he’ll have a better season than 2014 going forward. But, I would never expect him to play like 2013 again. Everything went perfectly for him, including luck. He had several dropped INTs that season, which helped pad his 27-2 TD to INT ratio. He had the best offensive line in football that was healthy the entire season, the #1 rushing attack in football. 2014 didn’t play out as smoothly, and I think all the parts kind of affected each other. Nick Foles more than any of them.

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theohall

Chip Kelly runs a QB-driven offense. It’s a much better tool for looking at what Foles can and cannot do. He played some horrific halfs last season, while at the same time, playing complimentary terrific halfs in the same game. The problem – you never know what you’re going to get game-to-game from Foles. Inconsistency might as well be his middle name.

Heck – watch the opener vs the Jags last season. First half – Foles is a disaster. 2nd half – picks them apart, mostly using the TE. Other games, this flips where the first half is great, but the 2nd half sucks.

even the great qbs had dips in performance at the start of their career.

it was probably a combination of things. bad luck, injuries, and defenses had some film on him.

it then comes down to how foles adjusts.

i don’t think he was as good as 2013 suggests, but he isn’t as bad as 2014 either. he’s still young and can get better.