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    Agamemnon
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    http://www.space.com/28941-colliding-galaxies-rule-out-dark-universe.html

    Dark Matter Probably Isn’t a Mirror Universe, Colliding Galaxies Suggest
    By Calla Cofield, Space.com Staff Writer | March 26, 2015 02:02pm ET

    Dark matter may not be part of a “dark sector” of particles that mirrors regular matter, as some theories suggest, say scientists studying collisions of galaxy clusters.

    When clusters of galaxies collide, the hot gas that fills the space between the stars in those galaxies also collides and splatters in all directions with a motion akin to splashes of water. Dark matter makes up about 90 percent of the matter in galaxy clusters: Does it splatter like water as well?

    New research suggests that no, dark matter does not splatter when clusters of galaxies collide, and this finding limits the kinds of particles that can make up dark matter. Specifically, the authors of the new research say it is unlikely that dark matter is part of an entire “dark sector” — a mirror version of the visible universe. [Dark Matter: A Cosmic Mystery Explained (Infographic)]

    Colliding galaxy clusters

    Our galaxy contains hundreds of billions of stars, and there are hundreds of billions of galaxies in the observable universe. There’s also a lot of gas and dust between the stars and the galaxies. But all of those stars, galaxies, gas and dust make up only about 10 to 15 percent of the matter in the universe.

    The other 85 to 90 percent is dark matter. Scientists don’t know what dark matter is made of or where it comes from, only that it doesn’t appear to reflect or radiate light. It does, however, exert a gravitational pull on the regular matter around it.

    David Harvey, a postdoctoral researcher at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Lausanne, is one of many scientists currently trying to figure out what dark matter is made of. There are lots of ways to go about this, and Harvey decided to see what happens when dark matter collides with itself.

    To do this, Harvey and his colleagues at the University of Edinburgh, where Harvey did his PhD work, looked at collisions among entire clusters of galaxies, where as much as 90 percent of the mass involved in the collision is dark matter, according to a statement from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Lausanne.

    “[Galaxy cluster mergers] are incredibly messy,” Harvey said. “You’ve got [the stars], the highest densities of dark matter and hot gas all swirling together.”

    Scientists have tried to use these galaxy cluster crashes to study dark matter for decades, but improved techniques for observing the different components of those mergers has inspired a revival, he said. “We wanted to have a big statistical sample that tries to average over all these different merging scenarios, and try to get a statistical idea of what dark matter is doing during these cosmological crashes.”

    During these incredibly large-scale mergers, scientists have observed that individual stars in these galaxies are so far apart that they very rarely run into one another. So, rather than creating a big, messy wreck, the stars sort of neatly fold together.

    However, in between the galaxies is a thick gas full of charged particles. When the galaxy clusters collide, the gas splatters in all directions, like water splashed from a puddle, Harvey said.

    “If we measure the dark matter [after the collision], and should it lie where the galaxies are, we know the dark matter is completely collisionless, and doesn’t interact with itself at all,” Harvey said. “And if it should lie where the gas is, we’d say that the dark matter is actually interacting with itself a lot, like a liquid.”

    The researchers gathered data on a total of 30 galaxy-cluster collisions. In order to see the stars, the gas and the dark matter, they needed observations from NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope and Chandra X-ray Observatory. [Chandra Observatory’s X-ray Universe in Photos]

    Dark matter doesn’t radiate or reflect light, but its gravitational pull can help scientists “see” it. Light that is passing near a very massive object will bend around it, in an effect called gravitational lensing. Scientists can see the bending of the light and use that to figure out where dark matter is present.

    By looking at 30 galaxy-cluster mergers, the researchers showed that the dark matter behaves more like the stars: It doesn’t splatter during these collisions, but instead remains largely unchanged by the merger.

    The dark sector

    The implications of the new finding go beyond galaxy mergers: They tell scientists something about what dark matter might be made of.

    The gas that is found in between the galaxy clusters tends to splatter during collisions because it interacts with itself, the way a liquid does. Notice how liquids in microgravity tend to join together into bubbles — the material sticks together even though it isn’t bound together like a solid.

    Protons — the particles at the heart of every atom — interact with one another in a similar way. Harvey and his colleagues showed that dark matter clearly doesn’t interact with itself the way the gas does; more specifically, it interacts with itself less than protons interact with one another.

    Some theories of dark matter posit that it is part of a “dark sector” that is sort of like a mirror of the regular universe — in other words, that it contains dark versions of regular matter particles, like dark photons and dark electrons. In some of those theories, dark matter might be made up of dark protons.

    “Chances are that dark matter is not made up of dark protons interacting with dark protons, and chances are, there is not a mirror universe out there with these dark particles,” Harvey said. “The caveat is that theorists could change some of their parameters, so the field is still open to what [dark matter] could be, but we’re narrowing it down.”

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    http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2016/09/19/dark-matter-proved-real-by-colliding-galaxy-clusters/#4cae45b26bec

    Dark Matter Proved Real By Colliding Galaxy Clusters

    Agamemnon

    #62506
    Agamemnon
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    Published on Oct 25, 2016

    Dark matter permeates the cosmos: The material keeps galaxies from flying apart and has left its imprints in the oldest light in the universe. Despite overwhelming evidence that the exotic form of matter lurks unseen in the cosmos, decades of searches have failed to definitively detect a single particle of dark matter.
    Theoretical astrophysicist Dan Hooper of Fermilab in Batavia, Ill, said, “We’ve been looking where our best guess told us to look for all these years, and we’re starting to wonder if we maybe guessed wrong. People are just opening their minds to a wider range of options.”

    Latest dark matter searches leave scientists empty-handed
    Physicists ponder possibilities for bulk of universe’s mass
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    Emily Conover
    5:30am, October 25, 2016
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    DARK GRAVITY In this cluster of galaxies, the location of dark matter is shown in blue. Scientists indirectly detected this dark matter through its gravitational influence, which bends and distorts the light of galaxies in the background. So far, all efforts to directly detect particles of the invisible matter have fallen flat.

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/latest-dark-matter-searches-leave-scientists-empty-handed

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    Magazine issue: Vol. 190, No. 10, November 12, 2016, p. 14

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    Scientists have lost their latest round of hide-and-seek with dark matter, but they’re not out of the game.

    Despite overwhelming evidence that an exotic form of matter lurks unseen in the cosmos, decades of searches have failed to definitively detect a single particle of dark matter. While some scientists continue down the road of increasingly larger detectors designed to catch the particles, others are beginning to consider a broader landscape of possibilities for what dark matter might be.

    “We’ve been looking where our best guess told us to look for all these years, and we’re starting to wonder if we maybe guessed wrong,” says theoretical astrophysicist Dan Hooper of Fermilab in Batavia, Ill. “People are just opening their minds to a wider range of options.”

    Dark matter permeates the cosmos: The material keeps galaxies from flying apart and has left its imprints in the oldest light in the universe, the cosmic microwave background, which dates back to just 380,000 years after the Big Bang. Indirect evidence from dark matter’s gravitational influences shows that it makes up the bulk of the mass in the universe. But scientists can’t pin down what dark matter is without detecting it directly.

    In new results published in August and September, three teams of scientists have come up empty-handed, finding no hints of dark matter. The trio of experiments searched for one particular variety of dark matter — hypothetical particles known as WIMPs, or weakly interacting massive particles, with a range of possible masses that starts at several times that of a proton. WIMPs, despite their name, are dark matter bigwigs — they have long been the favorite explanation for the universe’s missing mass. WIMPs are thought to interact with normal matter only via the weak nuclear force and gravity.

    Part of WIMPs’ appeal comes from a prominent but unverified theory, supersymmetry, which independently predicts such particles. Supersymmetry posits that each known elementary particle has a heavier partner; the lightest partner particle could be a dark matter WIMP. But evidence for supersymmetry hasn’t materialized in particle collisions at the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva, so supersymmetry’s favored status is eroding (SN: 10/1/16, p. 12). Supersymmetry arguments for WIMPs are thus becoming shakier — especially since WIMPs aren’t showing up in detectors.

    Scientists typically search for WIMPs by looking for interactions with normal matter inside a detector. Several current experiments use tanks of liquefied xenon, an element found in trace amounts in Earth’s atmosphere, in hopes of detecting the tiny amounts of light and electric charge that would be released when a WIMP strikes a xenon nucleus and causes it to recoil.

    The three xenon experiments are the Large Underground Xenon, or LUX, experiment, located in the Sanford Underground Research Facility in Lead, S.D.; the PandaX-II experiment, located in China’s JinPing underground laboratory in Sichuan; and the XENON100 experiment, located in the Gran Sasso National Laboratory in Italy. Teams of scientists at the three locations each reported no signs of dark matter particles. The experiments are most sensitive to particles with masses around 40 or 50 times that of a proton. Scientists can’t completely rule out WIMPs of these masses, but the interactions would have to be exceedingly rare.

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    BETTER LUX NEXT TIME The LUX detector, shown above, failed to detect dark matter through interactions with liquid xenon. A souped-up version of the experiment, known as LZ, will continue the search.
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    In initial searches, proponents of WIMPs expected that the particles would be easy to find. “It was thought to be like, ‘OK, we’ll run the detector for five minutes, discover dark matter, and we’re all done,’” says physicist Matthew Szydagis of the University at Albany in New York, a member of LUX. That has turned into decades of hard work. As WIMPs keep failing to turn up, some scientists are beginning to become less enamored with the particles and are considering other possibilities more closely.

    One alternative dark matter contender now attracting more attention is the axion. This particle was originally proposed decades ago as part of the solution to a particle physics quandary known as the strong CP problem — the question of why the strong nuclear force, which holds particles together inside the nucleus, treats matter and antimatter equally. If dark matter consists of axions, the particle could therefore solve two problems at once.

    Axions are small fry as dark matter goes — they can be as tiny as a millionth of a billionth the mass of a WIMP. The particles interact so feebly that they are extremely difficult to detect. If axions are dark matter, “you’re sitting in an enormous, dense sea of axions and you don’t even notice them,” says physicist Leslie Rosenberg of the University of Washington in Seattle, the leader of the Axion Dark Matter eXperiment. After a recent upgrade to the experiment, ADMX scientists are searching for dark matter axions using a magnetic field and special equipment to coax the particles to convert into photons, which can then be detected.

    Although WIMPs and axions remain the front-runners, scientists are beginning to move beyond these two possibilities. In between the featherweight axions and hulking WIMPs lies a broad range of masses that hasn’t been well explored. Scientists’ favorite theories don’t predict dark matter particles with such intermediate masses, says theoretical physicist Kathryn Zurek of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California, but that doesn’t mean that dark matter couldn’t be found there. Zurek advocates a diverse search over a broad range of masses, instead of focusing on one particular theory. “Dark matter direct detection is not one-size-fits-all,” she says.
    Nuclear recoil

    Xenon dark matter experiments work by watching for dark matter interactions that cause xenon nuclei to recoil. Such interactions would theoretically release photons (orange lines) and electrons (red lines), which create two consecutive bursts of light that can be observed by light-detecting photomultiplier tubes (circles) at the top and bottom of the detector, as seen in this schematic of the LZ experiment.

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    In two papers published in Physical Review Letters on January 7 and September 14, Zurek and colleagues proposed using superconductors — materials that allow electricity to flow without resistance — and superfluids, which allow fluids to flow without friction, to detect light dark matter particles. “We are trying to broaden as much as possible the tools to search for dark matter,” says Zurek. Likewise, scientists with the upcoming Super Cryogenic Dark Matter Search SNOLAB experiment, to be located in an underground lab in Sudbury, Canada, will use detectors made of germanium and silicon to search for dark matter with smaller masses than the xenon experiments can.

    Scientists have not given up on xenon WIMP experiments. Soon some of those experiments will be scaling up — going from hundreds of kilograms of liquid xenon to tons — to improve their chances of catching a dark matter particle on the fly. The next version of XENON100, the XENON1T experiment (pronounced “XENON one ton”) is nearly ready to begin taking data. LUX’s next generation experiment, known as LUX-ZEPLIN or LZ, is scheduled to begin in 2020. PandaX-II scientists are also planning a sequel. Physicists are still optimistic that these detectors will finally find the elusive particles. “Maybe we will have some opportunity to see something nobody has seen,” says Xiangdong Ji of Shanghai Jiao Tong University, the leader of PandaX-II. “That’s what’s so exciting.”

    In the sea of nondetections of dark matter, there is one glaring exception. For years, scientists with the DAMA/LIBRA experiment at Gran Sasso have claimed to see signs of dark matter, using crystals of sodium iodide. But other experiments have found no signs of DAMA’s dark matter. Many scientists believe that DAMA has been debunked. “I don’t know what generates the weird signal that DAMA sees,” says Hooper. “That being said, I don’t think it’s likely that it’s dark matter.”

    But other experiments have not used the same technology as DAMA, says theoretical astrophysicist Katherine Freese of the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. “There is no alternative explanation that anybody can think of, so that is why it is actually still very interesting.” Three upcoming experiments should soon close the door on the mystery, by searching for dark matter using sodium iodide, as DAMA does: the ANAIS experiment in the Canfranc Underground Laboratory in Spain, the COSINE-100 experiment at YangYang Underground Laboratory in South Korea, and the SABRE experiment, planned for the Stawell Underground Physics Laboratory in Australia.

    Scientists’ efforts could still end up being for naught; dark matter may not be directly detectable at all. “It’s possible that gravity is the only lens with which we can view dark matter,” says Szydagis. Dark matter could interact only via gravity, not via the weak force or any other force. Or it could live in its own “hidden sector” of particles that interact among themselves, but mostly shun normal matter.

    Even if no particles are detected anytime soon, most scientists remain convinced that an unseen form of matter exists. No alternative theory can explain all of scientists’ cosmological observations. “The human being is not going to give up for a long, long time to try to search for dark matter, because it’s such a big problem for us,” says Ji.

    More than you ever wanted to know about dark matter.

    Agamemnon

    #62509
    bnw
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    Good stuff Ag!

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    #62513
    nittany ram
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    Good stuff Ag!

    Hear, hear. Ag has posted some awesome articles in this thread.

    #62514
    nittany ram
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    Using the same logic evident here, I have a question:

    Can we conclude that God does not exist?

    In short? No. Proving a negative can be problematic. If I say:”There are no elephants in my backyard” that would be easy enough to confirm, but if I say:”There are no fleas in my backyard” that becomes nearly impossible to prove and that’s sorta the thing we’re dealing with when we say there is no God. I can only prove there are no fleas by painstakingly examining every square inch of my yard. As I cover more and more ground without finding a flea then it becomes more and more likely that a flea isn’t present. But there will always be a place for the flea to hide so I will likely never be able to say with ABSOLUTE certainty that no flea exists. The same is true for God. As science answers more and more questions the likelihood of God may become less and less but it’s a big universe and given how God is defined, it will always be possible for ‘him’ to hide from our sight.

    On the other hand there’s no way to prove God exists and from a scientific standpoint there’s no evidence to suggest ‘he’ does.

    #62520
    NewMexicoRam
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    If the concept of “good and evil” come within ourselves, how does that negate the existence of a supreme intelligent being, otherwise thought of as God? In your initial response, you indicated that the existence of evil helped you to decide not to follow the Christian experience.

    If there were a supreme being, an all-knowing, all-seeing, compassionate father-god, say, he wouldn’t allow this. He wouldn’t allow so much misery and suffering. He would stop our endless wars, our sadism toward each other and Nature. He wouldn’t be okay with someone living like a king while another grows up in the slums or worse.

    And if he were okay with that, why would anyone want to “worship” such a monster? And what purpose would he serve to begin with?

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    If there is such a supreme being, then why would that being only create inferior beings who could only act in one way, that is in ways that are only good and compliant? Would there really be any love possible in such a universe? It would be like creating a bunch of robots, wouldn’t it?

    #62521
    NewMexicoRam
    Participant

    Using the same logic evident here, I have a question:

    Can we conclude that God does not exist?

    In short? No. Proving a negative can be problematic. If I say:”There are no elephants in my backyard” that would be easy enough to confirm, but if I say:”There are no fleas in my backyard” that becomes nearly impossible to prove and that’s sorta the thing we’re dealing with when we say there is no God. I can only prove there are no fleas by painstakingly examining every square inch of my yard. As I cover more and more ground without finding a flea then it becomes more and more likely that a flea isn’t present. But there will always be a place for the flea to hide so I will likely never be able to say with ABSOLUTE certainty that no flea exists. The same is true for God. As science answers more and more questions the likelihood of God may become less and less but it’s a big universe and given how God is defined, it will always be possible for ‘him’ to hide from our sight.

    On the other hand there’s no way to prove God exists and from a scientific standpoint there’s no evidence to suggest ‘he’ does.

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    Appreciate the response, Nittany.

    But in my view, the complexity of everything observable (or not even detectable, like the dark matter and dark energy you started this thread with) just seems to point to a source of origin and design for me. Something with intellect.

    Thanks for sharing with me.

    #62523
    nittany ram
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    Using the same logic evident here, I have a question:

    Can we conclude that God does not exist?

    In short? No. Proving a negative can be problematic. If I say:”There are no elephants in my backyard” that would be easy enough to confirm, but if I say:”There are no fleas in my backyard” that becomes nearly impossible to prove and that’s sorta the thing we’re dealing with when we say there is no God. I can only prove there are no fleas by painstakingly examining every square inch of my yard. As I cover more and more ground without finding a flea then it becomes more and more likely that a flea isn’t present. But there will always be a place for the flea to hide so I will likely never be able to say with ABSOLUTE certainty that no flea exists. The same is true for God. As science answers more and more questions the likelihood of God may become less and less but it’s a big universe and given how God is defined, it will always be possible for ‘him’ to hide from our sight.

    On the other hand there’s no way to prove God exists and from a scientific standpoint there’s no evidence to suggest ‘he’ does.

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    Appreciate the response, Nittany.

    But in my view, the complexity of everything observable (or not even detectable, like the dark matter and dark energy you started this thread with) just seems to point to a source of origin and design for me. Something with intellect.

    Thanks for sharing with me.

    To me what appears to be design is really the product of 15.6 billion years of random chance and selective pressures. But however we arrived where we are now, at least we get to watch the Rams.

    #62524
    zn
    Moderator

    As I cover more and more ground without finding a flea then it becomes more and more likely that a flea isn’t present.

    Unless they’re just following around behind you while you search.

    #62525
    Billy_T
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    To me what appears to be design is really the product of 15.6 billion years of random chance and selective pressures. But however we arrived where we are now, at least we get to watch the Rams.

    Yeah, that’s a major key for me. We’re looking at the results of nearly 16 billion years, and it’s all too easy to forget that. Forgetting that makes it seem that it can’t have happened without some “intelligent design.” We’ve basically telescoped the process in our minds because we’re hard-wired to do that, to find structure and logic in the here and now. Our brains have evolved to do this.

    In reality, through all of that time, there were trillions of things that went absolutely haywire, explosions, flame outs, collisions, innumerable “mistakes” and resets. If there were an actual deity running things, with a plan, with the power to implement it, none of that would have happened. It would have been smooth sailing all the way, and it never has been. It also wouldn’t have taken billions of years.

    In a very real sense, we humans are a fluke. The confluence of innumerable flukes that could have gone in all sorts of directions, with a host of different results. Yes, I definitely believe in Cause and Effect. But that has never required a plan.

    And I think the universe is so magnificence, and amazing, and magical, all by itself, it doesn’t need our invented gods and goddesses. That’s my view. And I think we should celebrate our own ability to bring poetry into the world to try to explain it all and give it meaning. IMO, we radically short-change ourselves when we think it can’t have happened without the gods and that we need them to give our lives meaning, etc. etc. We should rejoice in our own capacity for wonder, fiction, poetic invention, and so on.

    #62526
    Billy_T
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    If there is such a supreme being, then why would that being only create inferior beings who could only act in one way, that is in ways that are only good and compliant? Would there really be any love possible in such a universe? It would be like creating a bunch of robots, wouldn’t it?

    Not following you, NMR. Not sure why you would think it would be a creator god’s only option, in order to get rid of sadism, misery, suffering, inequality, war and so on. Honestly, I don’t know how you got from A to B on that one.

    But as mentioned in response to Nittany, the bigger question for me is why anyone thinks a god is necessary in the first place. We have a long history of telling awesome stories, thousands of years of fiction, parables, poetry, allegory, symbolism and so on. We have thousands of years of art, music, and the most amazing creative inventions. We did that. Humans did that.

    Why do you think we need an actual god behind those stories? That has puzzled me for most of my adult life. The idea that so many humans don’t have “faith” in our own capacity to give our lives meaning without the Divine. We really, really don’t need them, and as mentioned, and this is just me, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that humans invented every god and goddess throughout history, including the biblical god. And I also have no doubt in my mind that humanity would be far, far better off if it would just accept this, and rejoice in our emancipation, though I do not expect others to agree with me on that. Not at all.

    It’s just my own view of things.

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