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  • #83666
    Eternal Ramnation
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    Just heard on NFL Access http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22695501/denver-broncos-trade-aqib-talib-los-angeles-rams-2018-first-round-draft-pick Broncos trade CB Aqib Talib to Rams for 2018 first-round draft pick
    7:13 PM CT
    ESPN
    The Denver Broncos are sending Pro Bowl cornerback Aqib Talib to the Los Angeles Rams for a 2018 first-round draft pick, a source told ESPN’s Adam Schefter on Thursday.

    #83668
    Agamemnon
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    https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2018/3/8/17098658/los-angeles-rams-trade-aqib-talib-transactions-denver-broncos

    Los Angeles Rams trade for Denver Broncos CB Aqib Talib
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    The Rams’ wild offseason continues shopping a fifth-round pick to Denver.
    By Sosa Kremenjas@SosaKre Mar 8, 2018, 7:06pm CST

    In another shocking trade, the Los Angeles Rams have made a move for Denver Broncos CB Aqib Talib:

    Now this is stunning. The Rams will re-unite a top tier CB in Talib with Defensive Coordinator Wade Phillips for just a fifth-round pick from the 2018 NFL Draft.

    Talib has been troubled both on and off the field in the past. Off the field issues stem earlier in his career, though he has had spats on the field most notably with Oakland Raiders WR Michael Crabtree.

    Talib has spent time with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, New England Patriots and most recently the Denver Broncos. Talib has been with the Broncos for four seasons. In his 11-year career, he has amassed 34 interceptions, 118 pass deflections and 10 defensive touchdowns.

    Talib is well respected and known as a press-man CB with big size and strength to jam up WR’s at the line of scrimmage. He was given an 86.2 rating by PFF, which would rank as the 15 best CB in the NFL.

    Agamemnon

    #83670
    InvaderRam
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    holy crap. i read the first tweet… and i was like WHAT THE FUCK!?!?

    sorry for the profanity, but when it said first round draft pick, i was incredulous.

    a fifth rounder sounds great though!

    #83671
    Eternal Ramnation
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    Well Ag I think that tells us why they let Tree go they need to stop the run since nobody’s throwing on us!

    #83672
    Agamemnon
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    Well Ag I think that tells us why they let Tree go they need to stop the run since nobody’s throwing on us!

    That is for sure. LOL

    Agamemnon

    #83673
    Eternal Ramnation
    Participant

    Yes I sure hope it is a 5th round pick figures ESPN would get it wrong

    #83674
    Agamemnon
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    Agamemnon

    #83677
    zn
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    #83681
    canadaram
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    Just your typical run-of-the-mill offseason-before-the-league-year-starts-week for the Rams. *yawn*

    #83682
    zn
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    #83683
    Zooey
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    ProFootballTalkSo
    Aqib Talib will rip off someone’s chain, and then Marcus Peters will throw it in the stands?

    LOL.

    That is pretty brilliant.

    This is certainly the end of TruJo. I mean…the Rams have now got two Pro Bowl CBs for less than the price of one TruJo.

    The Rams are certainly busy.

    So now they have to replace Quinn and Ogletree, Barron, and Barwin.

    Good lord, the Rams on paper are going to get a lot of love in the preseason blabbing.

    #83684
    Zooey
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    Here is Alshon Jeffery’s line against Talib in that game:

    A. Jeffery
    11 targets 6 rec 84 yds 2 TD

    #83685
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Why did the Broncos Trade Aqib Talib to the Rams & What Does he Bring to LA? | Total Access | NFL

    NFL Network breaks down why the Denver Broncos traded Aqib Talib to the Rams, and what he will bring to Los Angeles.

    Agamemnon

    #83686
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    Here is Alshon Jeffery’s line against Talib in that game:

    A. Jeffery
    11 targets 6 rec 84 yds 2 TD

    he’s older for sure. pff still ranked him the 15th best corner in the league for what it’s worth. i don’t know how much stock you can put into pff rankings.

    i hope he’s got two more years in him but 31 is pretty old for a corner.

    on a less important note, la fans are gonna love this trash talking secondary.

    #83693
    Agamemnon
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    Agamemnon

    #83697
    Eternal Ramnation
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    Talib is a press guy . With Joyner and Johnson back there we’re not going to see Talib playing 10 yards off on 3rd and 7. Sam Shields is a question mark for sure but I think this secondary with J.Johnson in his second year is better than last year. We need run stuffin LBs to take this D up to the next level.

    #83710
    JackPMiller
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    No way it was going to be a first. It is a 5th round pick.

    I do wonder what his salary is? And if he could restructure?

    #83713
    zn
    Moderator

    And if he could restructure?

    If by “restructure” you mean the fan fantasy of asking players to give back money from their contracts…uh, no.

    Why would he do that.

    The coaches and GM knew what his contract was. There were other ways to handle this that would have cost less (draft pick). They traded for his contract and if the cap doesn;t work (though it probably will) that;s on the GM and coaches. Players aren’t obligated to get the coaches and GM off the hook that way.

    #83717
    zn
    Moderator

    With Aqib Talib Trade, Rams and Broncos Show That Neither Is Content to Settle for Mediocrity

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/08/aqib-talib-trade-rams-broncos?utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

    Les Snead is at it again, this time acquiring Aqib Talib in a second statement move in as many weeks for the Rams, creating one of the NFL’s most dominant secondaries. In Denver, this clearing of cap space signals only one thing: A likely run for Kirk Cousins.

    With Thursday night’s trade of Aqib Talib to the Rams, both Los Angeles and Denver showed the NFL world at large that it’s entirely possible to remake your franchise overnight if you’re aggressive enough.

    Consider what is in the works:

    In the trade, the Broncos received a fifth-round pick and managed to get the Rams to digest Talib’s contract as is: $11 million for the 2018 season, and $8 million for the ’19 season. This puts them over $35 million in projected space, according to Overthecap.com, and in better condition to make a run at QB Kirk Cousins.

    The Rams, since last Monday, have amassed arguably the league’s second-best cornerback tandem out of thin air—and without mortgaging the near future. Their 2018 draft coffer is still robust, having lost just one significant pick for the right to take Marcus Peters from the Chiefs.

    For general managers who spend their media opportunities telling reporters and fans that this is a process, treating the navigation of their roster like a mathematician taking a crack at the Millennium Prize Problems, both Les Snead and John Elway represent the antithesis. When the climate is right, there is a chance to reshape your approach significantly while not drastically altering the economic health of your club.

    Assuming the Broncos also part ways with running back C.J. Anderson, they’ll have a formidable amount of first-year cap space (nearly $40 million) to offer Cousins, plus a lineup that still includes Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders on offense, and Chris Harris, Bradley Roby and Brandon Marshall on defense. As attractive as the Vikings’ offer could be, Elway has put himself in striking distance both financially and competitively.

    Assuming the Rams are done wheeling and dealing this offseason (which isn’t a safe bet given the roll Snead has been on) the team still has the following picks in the 2018 draft coming up: 1 (23), 3 (87), 4 (111), 4 (135), 5 (160), 6 (176), 6 (183), 6 (194), 6 (195) and 6 (198).

    There is a downside to all of this. Obviously, the Rams would not have gotten a pair of All-Pro cornerbacks at Dollar General prices if there weren’t concerns. Peters was suspended by the Chiefs and was also thrown off his college football team. Though Kansas City notoriously placed a premium on talent over character, and maybe didn’t do enough to foster Peters during his time with the Chiefs, the Rams have been forewarned. Talib is 32 years old, and throughout his career has not been unfamiliar with the league office’s disciplinary program despite his reputation as a studious, lock-down defender.

    Obviously, the Broncos could whiff on Cousins and hamstring their defense—by far their strongest asset—heading into a 2018 season where the division could be more wide open than ever.

    But it’s the distaste for mediocrity, whether on a micro level in Los Angeles (their cornerback situation) or the macro level in Denver (their entire offense) that makes this a beautiful moment in the NFL offseason.

    We are coming off a year where the most situationally aggressive NFL teams—the Eagles, Jaguars and Patriots—all wound up among the league’s final four. Their roster not only churns at the bottom third, but at the top, where premium, in-prime talent gets combined with flexible coaching to create a dominant force.

    There are plenty of general managers in Elway’s position who would dig into the Paxton Lynch pick and watch the franchise slowly sink into deeper water while a base of season ticket holders waits for him to develop. There are plenty of general managers in Snead’s position who would still be taking a victory lap, clapping back at everyone who scoffed at the hiring of a 31-year-old head coach and the drafting of Jared Goff the year before.

    Neither of these executives will rest. It could very well be their undoing in the end, but at least it will be one hell of a ride.

    #83719
    zn
    Moderator

    Trade: Broncos deal CB Aqib Talib to the Rams

    Barnwell

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22680603/2018-nfl-free-agency-grades-big-trades-signings-moves-offseason-bill-barnwell

    Grade for Broncos: B
    Grade for Rams: B-

    The Rams appeared to enter the offseason with serious question marks at cornerback, but in a matter of two weeks, they’ve pieced together what might be the best cornerback duo in football. After trading for Marcus Peters, the Rams added another playmaking veteran on the outside by dealing a fifth-round pick to the Broncos for Talib, whose departure from Denver had been rumored since the end of the regular season.

    Denver had clearly made the decision to promote fifth-year corner Bradley Roby into an every-down role at the expense of Talib, who failed to pick off more than one pass for the first time in his professional career last season. Given that decision, John Elway did well to create a market and pick up a fifth-round pick for a player the Broncos seemed likely to release. With Roby and Chris Harris Jr., the Broncos should still be set at cornerback for years to come, and Denver can put the $11 million they owed Talib toward a new deal for Roby and/or their bid for Kirk Cousins.

    Wade Phillips must be excited to reunite with his former star pupil. There are certainly signs of decline from Talib, who had a particularly rough game against Alshon Jeffery when the Broncos played the Eagles last season, but he’s still an above-average cornerback as he enters his age-32 campaign. That lone pick was a Dak Prescott throw he took 103 yards back to the house, so the wheels are still there.

    At two years and $19 million, the Rams aren’t paying an exorbitant amount for Talib at his current level of play, since the going rate for solid 1A cornerbacks in free agency these days is $10 million per season. If Les Snead restructures Talib’s deal and adds guaranteed money after this season, I would be a little concerned, but this is a logical acquisition for the Rams. Throw in the low-cost addition of cornerback Sam Shields, who sat out in 2017 as he recovered from a concussion, and the Rams probably have the best set of corners in the game.

    Watching the Los Angeles defense is going to be fun next year. Peters and Talib are absolute ball hawks who fool quarterbacks into throws they regret from the moment the ball leaves their hand, but they also take risks and get beat by double-moves more than most cornerbacks of their ilk. It will be on franchised free safety Lamarcus Joyner to clean up when his cornerbacks get beat, and on the Aaron Donald-led pass rush to get home quickly and allow L.A.’s two star cornerbacks to break on the football.[

    #83722
    wv
    Participant

    Solid, aging CB, for a 5th round pick. I’ll take it.

    Looks like they wanna win a ring when they get to that brand new stadium of theirs.

    Nice mix of youth and Vets on this team.

    …Shields if flyin under the radar here, but maybe he will be important. Who knows.

    w
    v

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 2 months ago by wv.
    #83724
    JackPMiller
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    And if he could restructure?

    If by “restructure” you mean the fan fantasy of asking players to give back money from their contracts…uh, no.

    Why would he do that.

    The coaches and GM knew what his contract was. There were other ways to handle this that would have cost less (draft pick). They traded for his contract and if the cap doesn;t work (though it probably will) that;s on the GM and coaches. Players aren’t obligated to get the coaches and GM off the hook that way.

    Restructure doesn’t mean a cut in salary. Hell still get his money, but it will be more in a signing bonus, or something, but the got will look less for us though.

    #83732
    zn
    Moderator

    Restructure doesn’t mean a cut in salary. Hell still get his money, but it will be more in a signing bonus, or something, but the got will look less for us though.

    I doubt the Rams would do that. It would mean subtracting cap space from the future when they will have to be paying both Donald and Goff.

    I am glad you used “restructure” in its real sense, and mea culpa for misreading you on that.

    #83733
    zn
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    #83744
    zn
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    #83745
    zn
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    #83746
    snowman
    Participant

    Hilarious!

    #83747
    wv
    Participant

    I think I’d have rather had Sherman. But noone asked me.

    w
    v

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 2 months ago by wv.
    #83752
    snowman
    Participant

    Well, Sherman is coming off an Achilles tear, like Kayvon Webster. Both of those guys might be out for half of next season before they can be cleared to play.

    You have something against bald CBs, don’t you?

    #83753
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    Sherman is coming off one or two major injuries.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/richard-sherman-seattle-seahawks-to-release-star-cornerback/

    He will be 30 years old going into next season and coming off an Achilles tendon injury that cost him half of the 2017 season. But the biggest reason for his release was financial. Sherman was due $13 million for the 2018 season and his release gives Seattle a salary cap savings of about $11 million.

    The Seahawks are expected to make an announcement Friday. Sherman is expected to be waived with an injury designation because of the Achilles injury.

    Agamemnon

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