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September 22, 2017 at 1:18 am #74713znModerator
Goff starting to look like a No. 1 pick after best game of his career against 49ers
Curtis Crabtree
Jared Goff starting to look like a No. 1 pick after best game of his career against 49ers
There wasn’t much to get excited about based on Jared Goff‘s seven starts as a rookie last season for the Los Angeles Rams. Seven starts, five touchdowns, seven interceptions and not a single victory to show for his troubles.
But through the first three games of the 2017 season, Goff appears to have made significant strides forward.
Goff completed 22 of 28 passes for 292 yards and three touchdowns in the victory in what was certainly his best start as a professional. He also wasn’t sacked once by the 49ers, the first such game of his career. After not throwing for more than 235 yards in any of seven starts in 2016, Goff posted his first 300-yard gain in L.A.’s season opening win against the Indianapolis Colts and nearly reached 300 yards again Thursday night against the 49ers.
The Rams have already scored more points in three games this season (107) than in Goff’s seven starts combined from last season (85). The Rams failed to score more than 21 points in any game Goff started last year. They’ve twice eclipsed 40 points scored already this season after their 41-39 win over the San Francisco 49ers on Thursday night.
While the change in coaching staff almost certainly has made a significant difference as well, Goff is starting to show that he was worthy of the No. 1 overall pick in last year’s draft. If he can continue to play like he has through the first three weeks, the Rams might find themselves a playoff contender come the end of the season.
September 22, 2017 at 2:36 am #74720znModeratorRich Eisen @richeisen
Goff in the redzone in 2017: 7-7, 5 TDs.Michael Silver @MikeSilver
Repeat: @JaredGoff16 can ball. Don’t be mad.Football Perspective @fbgchase
Through 81 passes in 2017, Goff has a 119.5 passer rating.
If he threw 73 straight incomp passes, his PR would STILL be higher than his 2016Ron Jaworski @jawsespn
Great job @JaredGoff16Sam Farmer@LATimesfarmer
Just a sliver of a sample, granted, but still weird to think that to this point, Jared Goff has been the best quarterback in the NFC West.Mike Sando@SandoESPN
Jared Goff is the first @RamsNFL QB since @kurt13warner in 2001 to complete at least 75% of his passes with 3+ TDs and 0 INTs.Alden Gonzalez @Alden_Gonzalez
Jared Goff played his best game as a pro, 11 days after playing his best game as a pro. He’s a new man. …September 22, 2017 at 2:49 am #74724znModeratorBonsignore: Rams QB Jared Goff comes full circle, but the ride is just beginning
VINCENT BONSIGNORE
SANTA CLARA — Jared Goff returned home on Thursday. And this time the Rams actually gave him a uniform and let him play.
For which he rewarded them by plunging a knife into the heart of the San Francisco 49ers, the team he grew up rooting for growing up in the Bay Area, before anxiously watching the Rams defense deliver a gallant last-minute stand to preserve a wildly entertaining 41-39 win over their bitter division foes.
In the process, he sent a decisive message to a national television audience that he clearly isn’t the bust so many deemed him and the Rams are no longer the pushovers they’ve been for far too long.
The two concepts are not mutually exclusive.
Goff’s redemption and the Rams’ resurgence are unquestionably linked. The second-year quarterback’s resurrection from the ashes of draft day blunder to an efficient, functional, sometimes dynamic NFL quarterback has breathed life into the Rams morbid offense and made them a team to be taken seriously.
All of which was on display Thursday when he completed 22 of 28 passes for 292 yards and three touchdowns.This is the same stadium, mind you, where Goff stood humbly on the sideline watching the Rams’ season opener last year. He was wearing a sweat suit rather than a uniform, the result of then Rams head coach Jeff Fisher banishing him to the inactive list rather than putting him on the active roster.
It was a humiliating way for the first overall pick in the 2016 draft to begin his NFL career, and a bit of an ominous one. Goff never quite recovered. By the time he actually got the nod as the starter, the Rams were playing out their season in body if not spirit, Goff was in woefully over his head, and with absolutely no help on the field or the sideline, Goff’s rookie season deteriorated into a nightmare.
The talk of bust and mistake and overrated soon turned into a chorus.
It was premature, of course. Goff was set up to fail last year. Not by design. No one set out to sabotage him. But the Rams’ lack of talent and the stubborn lip service Fisher paid to quarterback development and offensive imagination would have done in plenty of other quarterbacks, let alone a 21-year-old rookie making the transition from a college spread offense to the NFL.
“It’s rough being a rookie and being a starter. I know,” guard Rodger Saffold said. “It’s tough. Just to be able to go out there and lead your guys from the quarterback position is a rough journey.”
But what’s done is done.
“You know, what’s crazy is how he humbled himself and just went to work after that. Now he’s trusting us. Trusting the guys in front of him,” Saffold said. “There’s gonna be battles, there’s going to be technique that’s off sometimes, but to be able to stand there in the pocket and throw with someone barreling after you or someone right in your face, that makes all the difference.”
On Thursday, Goff came full circle.
“He’s gradually becoming the quarterback we want him to be and the quarterback he’s supposed to be,” Saffold said.
The same stadium that set in motion the torturous first season he endured as a rookie became the stage he used to rehabilitate himself in front of a national audience. A better offensive line, the dependability and explosiveness of wide receivers like Robert Woods and Sammy Watkins and Cooper Kupp and the imaginative scheme and offensive play calling of Sean McVay absolutely helped, of course.
But even the Greatest Show on Turf needed a trigger man.
And in Goff, the Rams might finally have found the heir to that distinction.
They’ve scored 40 or more points twice in three games while scoring 11 touchdowns already. Who would have thought that after last year?
“There’s no limits or expectations on ourselves,” Goff proclaimed.
He isn’t out of the woods yet. The NFL is the kind of unforgiving beast that makes quarterbacks prove over and over again they’re worthy.
But the bust talk should cease, not that it was ever valid to begin with.
Goff has been efficient through the first three games of the season with flashes of brilliant. There were throws he made on Thursday like the 65-yarder he dropped into the hands of Robert Woods and the 47-yarder he soared over two defenders into the arms of Sammy Watkins that, frankly, few quarterbacks are capable of making.
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It wasn’t just the hand full of breathtaking throws he made, but the way he managed the game and how timely he was in delivering when the Rams absolutely needed it.
He was 9 of 9 for 115 yards in the third quarter and led a decisive touchdown drive late in the period to answer a 49ers touchdown that cut the Rams’ lead to seven points. In doing so, he extended their lead to 34-20.
In the fourth quarter, he delivered on two critical third-down plays by using his feet and eyes to buy time and find the open man. On the first, he spotted Todd Gurley on third-and-10 after other options were closed off to him. Gurley turned it into a 22-yard gain for a first down.
On the second, he waited just long enough on third and four for Watkins to find an open spot in the middle of the field, then found him for what turned out to be a 13-yard touchdown to make it 41-26.
The crisp play in the third quarter, the two third-down completions, the breathtaking throws to Woods and Watkins are all indicative of a quarterback with an elite skill set. And one who is now emerging before our very eyes.
“I thought Jared managed the game really well. Distributed the ball to the playmakers, gave guys the chance down the field,” McVay said. “Those are the kinds of things we expect from him.”
Goff came full circle on Thursday.
But the ride is really just beginning.
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September 22, 2017 at 3:16 am #74730znModeratorHappy homecoming: Jared Goff put on a show in Rams’ win over 49ers
Alden Gonzalez
SANTA CLARA, Calif. — Jared Goff never got a chance to play here last year. The Los Angeles Rams opened their 2016 season at Levi’s Stadium, and Goff, the No. 1 overall pick earlier that spring, was inactive, confined to street clothes with a plethora of family and friends watching from the stands. Goff was asked about that earlier this week and shook his head. He announced that he was “done” talking about last year.
“Last year was a whole different deal,” Goff said, “and this year is exciting.”
Is it ever.
Goff played the best game of his NFL career on Thursday, 11 days after playing the best game of his NFL career. He carved up the same San Francisco 49ers team he grew up rooting for, going 22-of-28 for 292 yards, three touchdowns and zero turnovers in a thrilling 41-39 win that went down as one of the most exciting Thursday night games ever. The Rams scored 40 points for the second time this season after managing only two 40-point games in their previous 10 seasons combined.
And they almost gave it up.
defense allowed a winless 49ers team that didn’t score a touchdown in its first two games to amass 421 yards. And their special teams fumbled three times — on a punt, on a kickoff and on an onside kick. It wasn’t until Aaron Donald wrapped up Brian Hoyer for his first sack of the season that the Rams cemented their second win in three games. But if defense and special teams are your biggest concern about this team at this point, it’s a very good sign.
The Rams’ offense — last in the NFL in yards each of the past two years and among the NFL’s worst for about a decade — continues to look very good.
“It feels good, man,” Rams running back Todd Gurley said with a big smile on his face. “It feels good. We haven’t been able to put up points like that since Marshall [Faulk] and them left.”
Gurley scored three touchdowns in the first half, giving him six in his first three games — the same amount he had through 16 games last season. Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods had the breakout games they had been waiting on, combining on 12 catches for 214 yards and two touchdowns, both by Watkins. And the Rams’ offense surpassed 100 points for the season, marking the first time this franchise has reached triple digits through the first three games since 2000.
Gurley gained 113 yards on 28 carries and added another 36 yards on five catches. Before halftime, he became the first player with six touchdowns in the first three games of a season since Calvin Johnson in 2011 — and it was all set up by Goff moving the ball so efficiently and effectively.
Sean McVay, the mastermind behind Goff’s turnaround, said he was “really pleased” with his quarterback.
“I thought he made really great decisions with the football,” McVay said.
It wasn’t just the numbers Goff put up; it was the throws he made. On one play, he rolled to his right, threw on the run and fired a dart to Woods in a very tight window for a 31-yard gain. He threw a perfect pass to Tyler Higbee on a post near the end zone that was dropped. He went over the top to Woods on the left sideline, setting up a tiptoe catch that went for 21 yards. He threw another dime to Cooper Kupp’s back shoulder, but it was knocked away. He rolled to his left, opted against throwing to Kupp deep, let the play develop, changed his arm angle and hit Woods short, allowing him to run for what became a 25-yard gain.
And he connected with Watkins for 47 yards downfield on a ball that looked as if it were dropped into his receiver’s hands by a drone. It went down as the longest completion of Goff’s career, but that wasn’t even the most encouraging stat from the night. This was: Goff completed 13 straight passes at one point, including his first 11 of the second half — for a combined 155 yards and two touchdowns.
What a difference a year makes.
“Every week, I see confidence,” veteran left tackle Andrew Whitworth said of Goff. “Really, his feeling in the huddle is just that he’s getting comfortable, and that he feels safe, and that he feels like, ‘Hey, you know what, I can succeed in this environment, in this scenario.’ You can just feel that confidence coming out of him.”
Goff went 18-of-22 with all three touchdowns from the pocket Thursday, but he was also 4-of-6 for 82 yards outside the pocket, according to ESPN Stats & Information. In three games, Goff has twice as many completions on passes 20 or more yards (eight) than he did in seven games last season. He is 58-of-82 for 822 yards, five touchdowns and only one interception in three games, after sporting the NFL’s lowest Total QBR as a rookie.
He was asked if he ever thinks about where he was at this point last year, and how far he has come since then.
“Looking forward,” Goff said, plainly. “It was exciting to be here today and be in Levi’s Stadium, and obviously coming out with the win is the most important thing.”
September 22, 2017 at 3:40 pm #74750znModeratorRams’ Jared Goff impresses in Bay Area homecoming
By Michael Silver
SANTA CLARA, Calif. — She had a skinny margarita in her hand and a knot in her stomach, a familiar feeling intensified by the circumstances. As Nancy Goff sat at a Mexican restaurant near Levi’s Stadium on Thursday afternoon and stole a quiet moment with her husband, Jerry, as they entertained a group of fellow Northern Californians, the mother of the Los Angeles Rams’ starting quarterback was conspicuously nervous about his nationally televised Bay Area homecoming.
“I’m always bad on game day, and this might be a little worse than usual,” Nancy said. “Night game, playing the 49ers, all these people we know here to see him… I mean, I think Jared will do great… but it’s always stressful.”
Three hours later, Jared Goff went out and summoned a tour de force performance that put his parents at ease — and did the same for Rams fans everywhere, and for the legions of skeptics who dogged him after a trying rookie season.
Goff, the first overall pick in the 2016 draft, showed a Thursday Night Football audience exactly why the Rams gave up so much to get him. The second-year quarterback from nearby Cal completed 22-of-28 passes for 292 yards and three touchdowns and led the Rams (2-1) to a thrilling, 41-39 victory over the 49ers, an outcome that wasn’t secure until star defensive tackle Aaron Donald’s fourth-down sack of San Francisco quarterback Brian Hoyer to extinguish a furious Niners comeback with 1:44 to go.
“That was scary,” Goff said afterward in a private conversation at his locker. “But man was it fun. There’s something about being back in the Bay Area that gets me going. Honestly, it felt like we were in Berkeley — scoring all the time and needing to score some more. They kept coming at us. I thought I was gonna have to go out and score one more time to win it.”
That wasn’t necessary, thanks to a squelched two-point conversion with 2:17 to go and the subsequent defensive stand following a successful San Francisco onside kick. What Goff did do was continue to win over many of the cynics who wrote him off during his miserable rookie season, when he struggled behind an ineffective offensive line and in an oft-criticized scheme that helped provoke head coach Jeff Fisher’s dismissal.
The Rams proceeded to hire the youngest head coach in modern NFL history, then-30-year-old Sean McVay. And the former Washington offensive coordinator has made an immediate and emphatic impact in L.A., with Goff as the most obvious beneficiary.
“Sean is so good,” Goff said. “I love this offense. We had 78 plays sent in, I think, and there was maybe one of his calls I didn’t like. He gives me so many answers. I’m loving it.”
After Goff’s near-flawless effort in front of 70,178 fans at Levi’s — and after two throws in particular — the affection was decidedly mutual.
“This was his best performance yet,” McVay told me as he sat in the coaches’ dressing area of the visitors’ locker room. “Especially after last week (a 27-20 defeat to Washington), when he threw that late interception — he just bounced back and came up huge in crunch time. You know what I like about him? In games, he does not f—- flinch. He’s mentally tough, in good times and bad, and that’s exactly what you want your quarterback to be like. Because it’s an occupational hazard: Bad things are gonna happen when you play this position.”
The first of the two plays that blew away McVay was a gorgeous 47-yard pass to Sammy Watkins on the first drive of the second half, which ended with a Greg Zuerlein field goal that pushed the Rams’ lead to 27-13. Goff, after selling a nice play-fake to halfback Todd Gurley (28 carries, 113 yards, two touchdowns; five receptions, 36 yards, one TD), lofted a rainbow toward the left sideline that fell into Watkins’ arms, eluding Niners defensive backs Dontae Johnson and Jimmie Ward.
“It was a run-pass option,” McVay said. “It takes stones to throw the ball there.”
The second play, a third-and-10 checkdown to Gurley with 10:57 left in the game, was a testament to Goff’s brains.
“He got all the way through the progression and found Todd on the backside,” McVay said of Goff. “It was basically his fifth read. That’s impressive.”
After getting the first down, Gurley broke a tackle and ended up with a 27-yard gain, putting the ball at the San Francisco 19. Two plays later, Goff found Watkins (six catches, 106 yards, two TDs) underneath for a 13-yard score, increasing the Rams’ lead to 41-26.
“Great night for Jared,” McVay said. “and I think he’s only gonna get better and better.”
And on this night, as she and Jerry drove 75 miles north to their home in nearby Novato, Nancy Goff felt much better than she had in the hours before the game.
September 22, 2017 at 4:08 pm #74758znModeratorThe Truth About Jared Goff, Continued
Goff’s bounce-back performance in the victory over the 49ers reveals a player in an ideal system, growing into his role as a franchise QB
By ANDY BENOIT
On Monday morning earlier this week, we were talking about Jared Goff’s ugly, baffling loss-sealing interception to linebacker Mason Foster at the end of the Rams-Washington game. Now, after Thursday’s win over the 49ers, we’re talking about Goff looking every bit like the star you expect a No. 1 overall pick to be. Goff torched a tired but talented 49ers defense for 292 yards and three touchdowns, completing 22 passes on 28 dropbacks. He took no sacks and had no turnovers.
So which one is the real Jared Goff? Both … but only in the sense that it’s unrealistic to think a 22-year-old quarterback with 10 starts is going to function at an All-Pro level every game. There will be other blunders in the near future—hopefully none as bad as the interception to Foster, but unenjoyable learning experiences nonetheless.
Still, Rams fans—and fans of good quarterbacking—can comfortably bask in the glory of a rising franchise QB. Goff is for real. A big reason is his coach and the system he runs. Sean McVay is fast gaining a reputation as a quarterbacks savant. His offense is a deliberate amalgamation of the Patriots, Saints and Falcons. The Patriots for their pre-snap motion and receivers’ off-the-line release concepts, the Saints for their downfield route combinations, and the Falcons for the way they marry their passing and outside zone running games.
All of this makes life easier on Goff. The nuance of the formations and the clarity of the play designs create defined reads for the quarterback. Goff has a very nice arm, but not a cannon. He’s built more to be a rhythmic passer. He needs an offense that helps establish that rhythm. A system that successfully blends the Patriots, Saints and Falcons can do that. And a play-caller who knows how to build an offensive attack within the game by calling plays that set up later plays also helps. And so does that play-caller’s willingness to throw deep on first down, usually off of play-action. On first down, defenses are simple and predictable. The pass rush is less of a factor, which is big for Goff, as his footwork and poise under pressure remain a work in progress.
McVay did all of this for Kirk Cousins in Washington. Goff is a more talented version of Cousins. Though he’s not as big a risk-taker as Cousins, he’ll have ups and downs like Cousins does. We still have to see how Goff performs when his pass-blockers struggle. Against San Francisco, the Rams’ blockers were facing a defensive line that, just five days earlier, had endured 82 snaps at Seattle. Before the Rams’ Week 8 bye, they’ll face the Seahawks, Jaguars and Cardinals. Bigger challenges await. But we can expect Goff to be up for it.
September 22, 2017 at 7:58 pm #74775wvParticipant“…Sean McVay is fast gaining a reputation as a quarterbacks savant. His offense is a deliberate amalgamation of the Patriots, Saints and Falcons. The Patriots for their pre-snap motion and receivers’ off-the-line release concepts, the Saints for their downfield route combinations, and the Falcons for the way they marry their passing and outside zone running games.”
—————I could sit and read that paragraph over and over and over. And over.
Finally.
This is what i have wanted since the Martz days.
Now lets hope McV is not a paranoid wacko who cant draft.
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vSeptember 22, 2017 at 8:25 pm #74778canadaramParticipantEven in the face of arguments that cite a lower level of competition, so far Goff has exceeded any of my expectations. I’m pretty conservative when I dream though.
September 23, 2017 at 12:56 am #74795znModeratorJ.B. Long @JB_Long
Per @NFLResearch, @RamsNFL Jared Goff’s red zone numbers in 2017:11-11, 5 TD, 0 INT, 137.3 passer rating
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Jared Goff on throws targeted 10+ yards downfield:
15-24, 423 yards (17.6 YPA)
1 TD, 0 INTs
QB Rating: 140.1— Mike Renner (@PFF_Mike) September 22, 2017
September 23, 2017 at 1:22 am #74797InvaderRamModeratorthat’s why fisher drafted him. his red zone ability.
mcvay did a great job with cousins, but with goff, i think there’s a lot more potential he can tap into.
as good as goff has looked so far there’ll probably be some dips. he’s only 22. but the upside is that he’s only just beginning to scratch the surface.
September 23, 2017 at 1:32 am #74799InvaderRamModeratorco
Before the Rams’ Week 8 bye, they’ll face the Seahawks, Jaguars and Cardinals. Bigger challenges await. But we can expect Goff to be up for it.
yeah them and the cowboys. next 4 weeks will be telling.
but man he looks good. it’s hard not to get ahead of oneself.
September 23, 2017 at 1:50 am #74800InvaderRamModerator“This was his best performance yet,” McVay told me as he sat in the coaches’ dressing area of the visitors’ locker room. “Especially after last week (a 27-20 defeat to Washington), when he threw that late interception — he just bounced back and came up huge in crunch time. You know what I like about him? In games, he does not f—- flinch. He’s mentally tough, in good times and bad, and that’s exactly what you want your quarterback to be like. Because it’s an occupational hazard: Bad things are gonna happen when you play this position.”
i liked that quote.
September 23, 2017 at 3:16 am #74801znModeratorThe Rams built a team for Jared Goff, and it’s starting to pay off
The Rams made a series of moves to help their QB succeed. Retired NFL lineman Geoff Schwartz shows why that has Goff looking like a totally different player.
Geoff Schwartz
Update: Goff and the Rams showed again Thursday night in 41-39 win over the 49ers just what a difference this all makes. Goff was nearly flawless on Thursday night, completing 22 of 28 passes for 292 yards, three touchdowns, and no interceptions.
Jared Goff was the first pick in the 2016 NFL draft, by the Los Angeles Rams, because he’s uber talented. He’s got a lively arm, he can make all the throws, and he understands the game. He also wasn’t ready to play in 2016. He came from a college offense that was nothing like what he’d have to run the NFL, and he was drafted by a staff that wasn’t designed to help him achieve success in his first season.
I believe it’s imperative for young quarterbacks in the modern style of football to play under offensive-minded head coaches. The learning curve for a quarterback can be steep because of the college systems they play in.
When you have an offensive-minded head coach, the entire operation in the building is geared towards the offense. Practice is set up with a nod towards the offense. The free agent pick ups are geared towards helping and protecting the quarterback.
Look no further than the Rams. Out is Jeff Fisher and in is Sean McVay, the youngest head coach in the NFL. He was brought in to fix Jared Goff. What did the Rams do right away? They signed left tackle Andrew Whitworth and center John Sullivan. Give Goff protection. They drafted Cooper Kupp, signed Robert Woods and traded for Sammy Watkins. Give Goff weapons.
Next in line to help Jared Goff start reaching his potential is the offensive scheme. This is why Sean McVay was hired. Coach McVay worked wonders in Washington with Kirk Cousins.
With McVay calling the plays, Cousins threw for 4,166 and 4,917 yards in 2015 and 2016. Washington ran a steady diet of play-action passes off its zone run game. This gives easy reads for the quarterback and opportunities for big-chunk plays. It builds confidence in a young quarterback
This is exactly what the Rams offense was last week against the Colts. Steady run game, followed up with play action passes. In 2016, Goff had a dreadful 5.3 yards per pass attempt. In the first game of the 2017 season, that number jumped to 10.6. Yes, it’s a small sample size, but this is just the start of this offense.
Let’s dive into some of those completions.
This first play is something that should fire up Rams fans. Goff is under center, turns his back to fake a handoff to Gurley, squares around, and without hesitation, throws a dart for a completion.
This is important because it shows that Goff read the defense correctly, and knew the timing of the route. There was zero doubt when he turned around, he was slinging the rock into that open window. This is much improved from last season.
Here’s a long play-action pass to Cooper Kupp, one of his new weapons. Kupp was a great pickup for the Rams, a reliable route runner with great hands
One more easy pitch and catch for Goff. Setting him and the offense up for success.
The Rams also used formations to help Goff with defensive reads and he did the rest. Here the Rams line up their tight end in a 1×3 formation, allowing him to be alone on the top of the field. This lets Goff to see it’s man coverage, with a linebacker trying to man up the tight end. He recognizes this, as he should, and drops off a dime. This is the special arm talent that got Goff drafted so high.
This was my favorite play of the game for the Rams offense.
1) Look at the protection. What a difference for a young quarterback. Goff has all day to throw.
2) Goff has all day to throw, goes through his progression and throws a dart to Kupp for a touchdown. His mechanics are maybe not the best here, but the throw was outstanding. You can work on the footwork.
This play right here should get Rams fans fired up!
This wasn’t a perfect game for Goff. He still has room for improvement. He needs to continue to work on throwing on the run.
Here he gets a tad bit of pressure, moves to his right, has room to work and throws a worm finder into the turf. Making these types of throws when the pocket breaks down will take his game to whole another level.
Week 1 was a huge improvement for Jared Goff. Sure, it was against the lowly Colts, but Goff looked confident and the offense looks to be in a good rhythm. He’ll have some ups and downs this season, but if I were a Rams fan, I’d be excited about where this is headed.
September 23, 2017 at 11:59 am #74823InvaderRamModeratora little bit of a flashback to 2016. football outsiders had ranked goff the 9th best qb prospect at the time since 1999 – going back almost 20 years. they based it on a tool called qbase.
he ranked among prospects such as roethlisberger and rodgers. and i believe their qbase tool accurately predicted russell wilson would be a good qb.
so at least one analytics tool predicted stardom for jared.
September 23, 2017 at 12:49 pm #74830znModeratorPFF: Rams QB Goff continues strong start to 2017
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-rams-qb-goff-continues-strong-start-to-2017
2016 first overall pick Jared Goff continued his strong start to the 2017 season Thursday night against the 49ers, earning an 80.0 overall grade, raising his season grade to 74.3 (up from 45.6 his rookie year).
Under the tutelage of Sean McVay, Goff already has more than twice as many yards on deep passes (304) in three games than he did all of last year (142).
He has been especially good when kept clean, earning a 127.1 passer rating on his 56 dropbacks without pressure.
September 23, 2017 at 11:05 pm #74865znModeratorI’m going to repeat my opinion a little bit here.
I would say Goff IS a franchise qb RIGHT NOW. Just a young one. How far he develops or how fast he develops into a mature one? That’s unknown. But I ain’t sweating it.
In terms of the mental/emotion make-up for the game, he’s got that. We knew that from the way he survived his first year at Cal.
In terms of just the artistry of the thrower, he may yet turn out to be the best Rams qb since I started following the team in the 70s. IMO his pure throwing talent is just THAT good.
I think that a few times a game, he will make a throw that is just so perfect for the situation you wonder if he has magic cyborg wrists with special refined wiring. The kind of pass where the ex-player color guy calling the game exclaims a lot with admiration during the slo-mo replay. Think of the throw to Woods on the sideline he made against SF while running to the right. And the deep alley-oop to Watkins on the left sideline. Or the TD to Kupp against IND that started as a line drive and then dropped like a touch pass right into Kupps hands there. Those are all completely different passes and yet each was thrown with exactly the right physics and math for what it was.
Back to the checklist.
In terms of reading defenses seeing the field and always being a step ahead mentally when the bullets are flying, he’s a work in progress. Not sure how far he will go when it comes to that. I don’t have any particular reason to expect a low ceiling…though there will probably be some bumpy games before that matures. (He’s very different from R.Wilson when it comes to that, who seemed like he was born with that stuff.)
In terms of his “come from behind in the 4th quarter in close games” skills (which are very important in my view of qbs), it’s just impossible to say yet.
But so far, although it’s not clear what his ceiling is, I think he’s the real thing.
September 23, 2017 at 11:48 pm #74868ZooeyModeratorI agree.
We’ve seen throws that most QBs just don’t make. And you identified some of them.
He has more than I ever saw in Bradford. And he has that indefatigable attitude. This guy is going to be all-pro.
September 24, 2017 at 12:15 am #74869InvaderRamModeratori will say this. to my untrained eye he is ahead of where sam bradford was when he was where goff is at.
his pocket presence his ability to see the field seems better than where bradford was in year 2. but it’s hard for me to say for sure because they’re in 2 completely different situations.
in terms of arm talent i think it’s no question that he has more talent than any ram i’ve seen which goes back 22 years.
the only questions for me are his ability to process information. defenses are going to start getting a book on him. they’ll look for weaknesses. how does he respond to that? will he be able to recognize what they’re trying to do to him and make adjustments? and what of his leadership abilities. i actually am not too worried about him. the sense i got of him at cal was that he was an exceptional leader. i know he wasn’t voted captain, but this is a league where you have to prove yourself. i think the veterans were wary of him, but depending on what he shows them this year, i have no doubts that they will rally around him. i think next offseason he’ll also really get a chance to bond with his receivers. that trust and bond will grow even stronger.
another question i have is his ability to deliver when the rams really need him to make a big play. not toughness. i actually think he’s about as tough as they come. but what of his nerves when the rams need him to make plays?
the last question is longevity. that’s something that won’t be answered for a long long time. you just never know. this game will grind people down to nothing. we’ll just have to hope he’s lucky and that the rams continue to put the right people around him.
i do admit though. i may have underestimated this guy. can’t say for sure. i’ll have to reevaluate at the end of the 2018 season. but i’m encouraged by the fact that as good as he’s played so far i still don’t think it’s even really all clicked for him yet. i think a lot of what he’s doing right now is based purely on his natural throwing ability and instincts.
September 24, 2017 at 1:47 am #74873znModeratori’m encouraged by the fact that as good as he’s played so far i still don’t think it’s even really all clicked for him yet. i think a lot of what he’s doing right now is based purely on his natural throwing ability and instincts.
Good write up, well put. I agree with pretty much all of it.
September 24, 2017 at 11:34 am #74891ZooeyModeratorYou watch those compilations of Goff’s throws, and you will see him going deep into his progressions.
That was a significant weakness in Bradford. Bradford didn’t start going through his progressions until about the time he shredded his knee the first time. Goff is already making multiple reads, and he was doing it last year, too. Goff has – what? – ten games now. He has better vision than Bradford ever did (at least while he was with the Rams). And Bradford couldn’t throw the fade. Goff is already better than Bradford ever was (with the Rams).
September 24, 2017 at 11:39 am #74893znModeratorGoff is already better than Bradford ever was (with the Rams).
I agree and I like Bradford.
The next question is how he (eventually) compares to (alphabetical order) Bulger, Everett, and Warner.
Anyway, like all Rams fans, I can only hope that he turns out in the long run to be AT LEAST as good as Austin Davis.
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September 24, 2017 at 12:03 pm #74897ZooeyModeratorI agree and I like Bradford.
The next question is how he (eventually) compares to (alphabetical order) Bulger, Everett, and Warner.
Anyway, like all Rams fans, I can only hope that he turns out in the long run to be AT LEAST as good as Austin Davis.
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I liked Bradford, too, and thought trading him was a mistake – though I get why they did it…and we’ve covered that a few dozens times.
Yes. Clearly, our next comparison platform is Bulger, Everett, and Warner, but we are a long way from that. Those guys all played in big games, and in the playoffs, and that is a completely different story, so…I guess we have to wait until January for that.
September 24, 2017 at 12:28 pm #74898AgamemnonParticipantI liked the long pass to Watkins. I have seen all Goff’s throws and that is the first time he has thrown a ball over 50 yards in the air.
This is my least favorite pass. The down the seam pass to the TE. This pass is typically thrown over the defense. This is the second time Goff has thrown it low. In preseason a PI call bailed out the throw. If the pass is delivered high, the DB is taken out of the picture and we take advantage of our 6’6 ” TE.September 25, 2017 at 3:33 pm #74991znModeratorSo far there is only one QB averaging over 10 yards per attempt, Jared Goff at 10.02. Followed up by Tom Brady – 9.93 and Matt Ryan – 9.32
— Mike Cahill (@FB_Cahill) September 25, 2017
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Love how everyone is on Goff now. My wagon was cold and lonely last season
— Mike Cahill (@FB_Cahill) September 22, 2017
September 25, 2017 at 6:23 pm #75005InvaderRamModeratorhe’s also third in passer rating and fourth in total qbr.
so far so good but these next four weeks will tell us more.
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September 25, 2017 at 6:36 pm #75009znModerator==
A look at @JaredGoff16's #NextGenStats pass chart from Week 3 👀🏈🎯
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— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) September 25, 2017
September 25, 2017 at 9:05 pm #75025InvaderRamModeratori don’t know if this has been posted before but remember when fisher said part of the reason they drafted goff was how good he was in the red zone?
so far this season his rating is 137.3 (which oddly enough is second to CASE KEENUM!!!).
combine that with gurley’s nose for the red zone and rams should be very difficult to stop inside the 20.
September 25, 2017 at 11:42 pm #75032znModeratorFormer Rams QBs impressed with Goff’s progress
Gary Klein
http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-jared-goff-20170925-story.html
The list reads as a roll call of Super Bowl quarterbacks.
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan and Eli Manning emerged from Sunday’s Week 3 games as the NFL’s top five in season passing yardage.
And in sixth place . . .
The Rams’ Jared Goff.
Few would have predicted this after watching the No. 1 pick in the 2016 draft mostly struggle in seven late-season starts (all losses) as a rookie.
But with new coach Sean McVay calling plays, a rebuilt offensive line providing better protection and a deeper and more talented receiving corps, Goff has helped lead the Rams to a 2-1 record and first place in the NFC West.
Former Rams quarterbacks are impressed.
“I like Goff, and I think he’s going to get much better,” said Roman Gabriel, the 1969 NFL most valuable player. “A lot of it has to do with talent, but this season it’s also having better protection. And having McVay, from what I see, is as much a part of it as anything.”
Said Jim Everett, a Pro Bowl selection in 1990: “He’s got new guys, a new system and a new coach that’s smart and just off the charts with creativity. You see the growth in his game from a guy who was deer-in-the-headlights to a guy grasping the system.”
Goff has completed 70.4% of his passes for 817 yards and five touchdowns, with one interception.
Before Monday night’s game between Dallas and Arizona, he ranked among the NFL’s top quarterbacks in several categories.
Among quarterbacks who’ve played enough to qualify for the statistical rankings, Goff’s 118.2 rating was third, trailing only Kansas City’s Alex Smith and New England’s Brady. He was third in completion percentage, and first in yards per attempt (10.1).
Goff’s only major blemish was a late interception that sealed the Washington Redskins’ victory over the Rams in Week 2 at the Coliseum.
Last Thursday, Goff completed 22 of 28 passes for 292 yards and three touchdowns in a 41-39 victory over the San Francisco 49ers at Levi’s Stadium.
It was the second time in three games that the Rams, the NFL’s worst offense the previous two seasons, eclipsed 40 points.
“There’s a lot of things we can improve on as well,” Goff said, “but there’s no limits or expectations on ourselves. We’re just trying to continue to get better, continue to execute.”
Much of that responsibility falls on the 22-year-old Goff.
Vince Ferragamo, who led the Rams to the Super Bowl during the 1979 season, said Goff “was thrown in the fire last year with a really bad team.”
Goff benefited from the experience and an offseason of change.
“You can see that he’s more confident and more comfortable,” Ferragamo said.
McVay helped develop Kirk Cousins into an elite passer for the Redskins.
For Gabriel, 77, the arrival of McVay in Los Angeles was on par with his experience when Rams coach George Allen brought in assistant Ted Marchibroda as part of the 1966 staff.
“What I’d seen last year with Goff — I don’t like to demean any of the coaches — but [McVay] does just a super job like he did with Cousins in Washington,” Gabriel said. “I can see the difference. [Goff’s] footwork is much better.
“The only thing he needs to learn more now is to step up into the pocket rather than trying to get out of it.”
Everett said Goff’s growth has been evident in each successive game. His performance against the 49ers included several throws he had not demonstrated before.
“He wasn’t fading away, there was no hesitation,” Everett said. “He’d plant his foot and let it rip.”
McVay’s offense, Everett said, is keeping opponents guessing.
“Right now, there are no tendencies,” Everett said, adding, “No defensive coordinator can say, ‘Hey, this where they hang their hat right now,’ because they have NFL-caliber weapons and they don’t have to.”
Ferragamo noted that Goff has looked at ease throwing to receivers running post routes from the outset.
Now he is on the verge of perhaps taking the next step, of becoming “the general in charge,” Ferragamo said.
“Once he gets to that part, where you’re taking your team from behind, when you have to do that with a two-minute drill, that’s what I can’t wait to see,” Ferragamo said.
September 26, 2017 at 10:33 pm #75088znModeratorfrom Monday Morning QB: NFL Week 3 Had It All
Peter King
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/25/nfl-week-3-jake-elliott-eagles-kicker-giants
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Look how much better second-year quarterback Jared Goff is, compared to rookie quarterback Jared Goff:
Rams W-L /Comp. Pct./ Avg. Yards/ TD-INT/ Passer Rating
0-7/ .546/ 155.6/ 5-7/ 63.6
2-1/ .704/ 272.3/ 5-1/ 118.2Obviously, this can’t all be about coaching. But coach Sean McVay and his hands-on Goff guys—quarterback coach Greg Olson and offensive coordinator Matt LaFleur—have gone back and educated Goff about the littlest things.
Formations and pass-route combinations have been a big part of the education. Take Goff’s one-yard touchdown pass to Sammy Watkins on Thursday night—made possible by an interesting formation with Watkins paired with another receiver to the left of the formation that was as close to a pick play, but entirely legal, as an offense can run. It’s just smart stuff that makes life easier for the quarterback.
Having a significantly better offensive line helps. And the importing of Andrew Whitworth as a free-agent left tackle has meant the world. It’s like the importing of Chris Sale to the Red Sox pitching staff—it changes everything. Compare the protection from the left tackle for the Rams last year to the protection from the left tackle this year, stats courtesy of Pro Football Focus:
• 2016: Left tackle Greg Robinson allowed 40 sacks/significant pressures/hits of the quarterbacks in 511 pass drops. That’s one pressure per 12.8 pass attempts.
• 2017: Left tackle Andrew Whitworth has allowed one sack/significant pressure/hit of the quarterback in 84 pass drops. That’s one pressure per 84 pass attempts.
When I spoke with Whitworth on Saturday, he credited the teaching of McVay.
“The reality is, how many true teachers are there out there, rather than yellers and screamers,” Whitworth said. “The most impressive thing about Coach McVay is he’s a teacher. The greatest coaches are the ones who can not just stand in a classroom and instruct on the board what to do—but they can stand right beside me, looking through my eyes, and tell me how to do something. Teach me something. That can last forever. That’s what I see with coach McVay and Jared.
“Now, when I see Jared, I see a really confident guy. He’s told me, ‘I feel good about any single play we call. I just feel like I need to make the decisions. I don’t think, Is this what we should have called? Is this the right situation for this call?’ I think it’s important that after a play, Sean is not there to criticize him when he makes the wrong decision. He knows the only way for him to learn this is to go through it. It’s been good to watch.”
September 27, 2017 at 8:11 am #75092znModeratorGoff videos by Matt Waldman.
J Goff on the pocket and the skill of baiting pressure
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Confident, aggressive, anticipatory from Goff and its in the feet.
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