board response to the NFL vote…Rams to LA

[InvaderRam]

zn wrote:

Ozoneranger wrote:

t I can’t help thinking STL had a chance to keep the Rams for a measly $700 million renovation.

According to reporters, the figure “700 million” was never real…that number came up in Goodell’s report dismissing the St. Louis efforts, but the reporters say it was never the figure St. Louis was given to meet. According to reports, the owners never saw the St. Louis plans. Goodell just stated they were inadequate and that was the end of it.

Check this report out, for example.

well. i never once believed it would be a fair fight once i saw the rams plans for inglewood. st louis was facing an uphill battle from the start.

[wv]

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Wik
My Dad and I split four PSLs when the Rams arrived in STL and I inherited his two when he passed just after Christmas at the end of the 99 season. I took my then 10 year son to Atlanta in January for SB34. From 96 to 05 my family lived in Des Moines but we drove down to STL where I grew up and we went to the Dome for all home games. I lived in STL from 05 to 08, but had to move to Indy in 09 for my job. We sold the PSLs then since we had two mortgages for over a year due to the recession but still went home for a game or two each year. My last game was the Thursday night win against the Bucs just before Christmas. I figured then it would be the last one. Billionaires don’t lose. As a Rams fan in exile, I watch all the other games on the dish, while listening to the home broadcasters radio feed over NFL game pass. Neighbors here tell me there is football team in Indy too. I would not know and frankly do not care. Rams are my team. I may not see them live and in person anymore, but my viewing habits won’t change. Both of my kids are out of the house now, and living out of state. My son is living in KC, and he too is a lifelong Rams fan as well, all based on a magical night in Georgia when he was ten years old. We had low seats and “the Tackle” was about 50 feet in front of us. The arrogant Titans fan next to us began to sob as we hugged and smiled. The Super Bowl win with my son was one of the highlights of my life. Thank you Rams, and thanks to the many rational posters on this board for sharing their knowledge and Rams passion with me over the years.

[Cal]

I’m surprised more nomads haven’t said fuck the Rams–I don’t think I’ve seen a single reaction like that.

That, however, is my reaction.

I’ve seen the all owners suck and Georgia did the same thing comments. But Stan’s actions seem different. The web, first of all, has made this all more up-close and personal than the move back in 95.

And who had expectations of Georgia? She established early on that she was a shitty owner. Thank goodness Dick Vermeil was crazy enough to come work for this team. Who knows if Shaw & co. would have EVER lucked into such a talented coach and guide for the organization without Vermeil.

Stan, on the other hand, portrayed himself as a friend to St. Louis. A cutting insult from a friend hurts much more than a nasty comment from someone you know is an asshole.

After witnessing this mess, I don’t know how to be a fan of this Rams team anymore. Ponying up 100 bucks for NFL game pass now would feel kinda like donating $20 to Trump’s campaign. Or paying for a hooker. I’ve never enjoyed giving the NFL my money, but now it feels that much more dirty.

I’ll still watch games and enjoy them. I’m already looking forward to the possibility of watching New England lose this Saturday! But the Rams–ennh.

I turned my back on baseball after all their nonsense. Kroenke (and 12 years of crappy football) has made me feel the same way about the Rams.

[wv]

Cal wrote:

I’m surprised more nomads haven’t said fuck the Rams–I don’t think I’ve seen a single reaction like that.

That, however, is my reaction..

Well, no-one around here is gonna say your reaction
is somehow ‘wrong’. I mean if thats how you feel,
thats how you feel 🙂

But I can tell you that most of the nomads just
don’t identify the “rams” with the “owner” — two
separate things. If Donald Trump bought the Rams,
I’d just shrug and go “oh well, another billionaire dick” — its
got nothing to do with my memories of Merlin, or Kurt
or my experience watching the Rams on my tv.

Now apparently, your fan-experience is different.
You seem to be saying you dont separate the owner
from the players/coaches/games.

I spoze we all ‘create’ our own little ‘meanings’
on this here fan thingy.

w
v
“Life has no meaning a priori … It is up to you to give it a meaning, and value is nothing but the meaning that you choose.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre

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[zn]

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Sign_Man_124

If I hurt anyone’s feelings in this day and age . . . too bad.

I’m bummed.

I was out and about last night when all this went down, was following on Twitter, and was almost laughing through it all. In the last few weeks, especially after the final home game, I knew that it would take something miraculous to happen to derail this team’s plans for the future (someone dropping dead). But alas, yesterday passed, and the sun came up today as it will tomorrow, and as it will every Sunday this fall when I’ll be sleeping in on what normally would be home game days spent with packing the car for tailgate, and heading to downtown for a game day experience. Its all gone now, and it will never be back. Gone are the days of me getting so pissed off at this team for a lackluster performance when it needed its best. Gone are the days of me celebrating a great win . . . like 3 weeks ago against Seattle.

I’m bummed

Especially for my oldest. He’s 13 and he has only followed this team because of ME. He was absolutely devastated last night when I got home. Some of you have met him and know what a fan of this team he became as he got older. He knew this team better than me! He’ll never know what the feeling is to have his team win it all like I got to. Or to experience the heartbreak that came with losing a Super Bowl. I reckon he’ll still be a fan for a while, but that too will fade as he gets older.

What I am happy about is that my brother Danny was not alive to witness this. As big of a fan of this team as he was, this would have devastated him too.

I’m bummed

For myself . . . that 8 Sundays a year I’ll no longer have the opportunity to tailgate with my family, and a great bunch of friends that we have made through that weekly ritual. We really got it down to an absolute art, and had one of the best fiestas around.

I’m bummed

Because the “league” lost a lot of fans in this area yesterday. It wasn’t our fault, and we have nothing to be ashamed of. This would have/could have happened in ANY market that is not named Green Bay where the city and fans “own” the team.

I’ll be keeping tabs on a number of you through “the facebook” of whom I had the absolute pleasure of meeting and becoming friends with over the years…

I’ll always remember what happened ’99 – ’03. Never gonna take that away from me.

And unfortunately, of course, ’07 – ’11 and the end of 2015

[zn]

Jim Fadler ‏@jimistlboy

I lost about 30-40 followers in the aftermath of the #Rams decision….I AM A ST. LOUIS denizen folks and always will be

I have loved the #Rams for a long, long time and I may come to love them again but right now my new handle and avatar speak for themselves

https://twitter.com/jimistlboy

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CoachO

Seriously doubt that I’m gonna stick around. My passion has been sapped from me.

I enjoyed seeing this team up close and personal. And now that is no longer an option.

If you actually attended the games and practices and shared the experience with your family, when you invest the time to go to every open practice and meet other terrific loyal and dedicated fans because they sure the same sort of passion, it definitely feels like something VERY IMPORTANT happened today. And yes, it may seem a little melodramatic to say it’s even life changing, that is exactly what it feels like to me.

I had my season tickets, went to the practices, shared the experiences with my family and other loyal and passionate fans BECAUSE of the experience. Being up close and personal, seeing the product first hand. Not relying on the tv coverage. Yes I watched the AWAY games (the ones I didn’t or could afford to attend) on tv, and trust me, if you really understand the game, there is no comparison from seeing it in person.

Those who have never seen a game live in person can’t even begin to understand what those of us who have been to EVERY HOME GAME (and more than a few road games) are going thru.

For some of us, the experience is much more up close and personal. As I mentioned, being able to be in the stands sharing the experience with my young son, continuing into his teenage years and now into his 30s cannot be replaced by watching on tv from 2000 miles away.

And it wasn’t just about the stadium. This was about revitalization of a blighted north riverfront area in desperate need of attention.

It’s was worth every cent of the public $$$ to rid that area of the current landscape. But without the stadium as the impetus, it will remain not only an eyesore to the city, but a safety concern as well.

Those who only see football stadium are missing the big picture.

For those whose lived thru the move 20 years ago, I can at least sympathize as you were forced to deal with the same thing.

As for moving forward. I will root for the Chiefs this weekend. Anytime someone can beat the Pateiotd is worth rooting for.

But honestly. Not sure how I’ll feel a week from now. A year from now ….:

But today my new “favorite” team will be whoever plays the Rams in 2016. Sorry but 0-16 would be fine with me.

It’s still too soon and the wound too deep for any cumbiya advice. In time who knows…..

If you ask me in a week I might say something different. But today….. It is what it is.

[joemad]

A lot of nice stories and emotional feelings shared on this thread…

I’ve been to Ram games in Seattle, SF, Oakland and of course Anaheim. Looking back I wish I made at least one trip to STL to get the STL experience…every season we would kick around the idea to go but it just never happened…This season we thought about attending the Steeler game but our schedule did not allow that.

My annual pilgramige to see the 49er Ram game at Levi was very nice this year…There was a good presence of Ram fans and our experience at Levi was much better than last year’s, now that we’re more familiar with the facility.

There was optimism shared with fellow fans about the possible return at Levi. But like that blocked FG in OT that denied the Rams a sure victory on the last game of the season was a reminder of what could easily happen of scraping a return to So Cal.

During pre game warm ups we saw Eric Dickerson and Vince Ferragamo roam the field. When the game ended and as the players exited the field a few dozen of us Ram fans circled the tunnel and chanted LA.

After exiting the stadium we hung out in the parking lot tossing the pigskin late until the SC PD asked us to leave as we discussed plays that might have made a difference in the game. “Penalty pushed back Greg the Leg on the missed FG” “Was the kick low on the block?” “Can fucking Quick make a catch? WTF is wrong with him” “Rams missed Gurley” but the topic always returned to the potential move.

In my gut since 1995 I somewhat felt that the Rams would somehow comeback. When Chip and Lucy got the team my hopes increased, but vanished when Missouri native Stan K took full control…unreal

I can’t wait for next season. Road trips to LA to the freaking Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. In three years the Rams, one of the lousiest teams in the past 10 years, will have the premier stadium in the world. Unreal.

They better get a good fucking quarterback.

It’s pretty cool.

[Dak]

InvaderRam wrote:

zn wrote:

Ozoneranger wrote:

t I can’t help thinking STL had a chance to keep the Rams for a measly $700 million renovation.

According to reporters, the figure “700 million” was never real…that number came up in Goodell’s report dismissing the St. Louis efforts, but the reporters say it was never the figure St. Louis was given to meet. According to reports, the owners never saw the St. Louis plans. Goodell just stated they were inadequate and that was the end of it.

Check this report out, for example.

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well. i never once believed it would be a fair fight once i saw the rams plans for inglewood. st louis was facing an uphill battle from the start.

I saw it coming, too … but you really have to give guys like Dave Peacock a ton of credit for doing all this work to provide an offer. One thing that came from this process is that the hopes for NFL football in STL was poisoned. There is no appetite to go down this road again. It would be forever before there’s any possibility.

[JackPMiller]

To me, I would have preferred if the Rams stay in St Louis. I felt the Raiders were the team better for LA. I am a Rams fan no matter where they play, but I feel St. Louis is a great sports town, which is an amazing football town as well. Since the Rams are in LA, I prefer the Raiders to move to St. Louis. Also, they have better talent then the Rams do, especially a much better QB. Again, I am Rams fan no matter where they play, but it would have liked it better is they stayed in St. Louis.

[PA Ram]

I have only seen the Rams play live one time in my life and that was in Baltimore. Otherwise–my relationship with them has always been one which exists through television. Frankly, I like football better on television. It’s more comfortable. I’ve been to the old Texas stadium to watch the Cowboys/Packers and had nosebleed seats. Not that great. I’ve been to Baltimore twice–once for the Rams and once for an Eagles game. Ehh.

I like the comfort of home and the up-close experience of television.

I would like to go to a Rams game again some day but it’s not a bucket list sort of thing. Maybe I’ll get there–maybe not.

I drove past the Anaheim stadium once but it wasn’t during the season. That’s the closest I’ve got to being at an actual location to their home. I lived near L.A. for a month so I’ve been to that city a few times.

But growing up–yes–they were always the L.A. Rams to me. I grew up with all of that history. There was something a bit cool about rooting for a southern California team and frankly, it was one of the things that inspired me to go to California one day.

So this is an easy transition for me. It goes back to my childhood.

But I have accumulated some St. Louis history now as well. The L.A. Rams never WON a Superbowl. They never had the GSOT experience. But it’s just a prefix to me in reality.

It’s all “Rams” history.

I’m a little excited about the team playing in a shiny new state of the art stadium. It should look cool on television. I’m hopeful that the prospect of playing in Los Angeles might be a tipping point for some free agents(no idea if that really matters at all but if all things are equal)and I hope that SK feels more pressure to make this team a winner.

But that will never make me feel anything but disgust for how SK treated the city of St. Louis. I really am beginning to think that city will never have football again. Their experience will be more like my experience–a television one. Some will drop the sport altogether. I get that too.

There is no excuse for how SK threw them under the bus on his way out. And this was all in the bag–it seems, from the start. It feels like, in reality, SD and Oakland and St. Louis never really had a chance.

So here’s to the future.

Here’s a great opportunity to go to the blue and whites. My guess is we’ll see that as a throwback but not as their standard uniform.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

[TrenchRam]

I don’t have a huge dramatic emotional reaction to the move, but I think it may be sapping my enthusiasm for the team more than I expected. I haven’t lived in STL for almost 12 years, but I’m a native and I lived there and had season tickets from 95 until a 2 or 3 years after I moved away.

There’s a lot that goes into my waning enthusiasm. Part of my attachment to the Rams involves enjoying them with my dad. We had season tickets together and still watch every game “together” on the phone. With the team gone, I doubt that he’ll stay enthusiastic or shell out to watch them on DirecTV.

There’s the way Kroenke handled things. I know that NFL owners are generally douchebags, but Kroenke just seems gratuitously so. I used to be a big Raiders fan, but the way they treated Marcus Allen on the way out just soured me on them. There was no “screw the Raiders!” moment, but that was definitely when I started sliding into not caring about them. The same may be happening with the Rams.

Then there’s the futility. Twenty years of rooting for this team and they’ve sucked for 17 of them. Even the 3 years that they were good seemed kinda like a fluke. I don’t see many signs of that changing either.

IF there’s a draw for sticking with this team, it’s all the great people I’ve gotten used to reading online and interacting with, especially the folks on this forum. I’ve learned a hell of a lot about the game and come to appreciate it much more deeply because of you guys.

I don’t know where I’ll be come July. I may renew my Sunday Ticket and be watching every week or I may start following the Bengals (that would have been a lot easier before next week).

[Dak]

IF there’s a draw for sticking with this team, it’s all the great people I’ve gotten used to reading online and interacting with, especially the folks on this forum. I’ve learned a hell of a lot about the game and come to appreciate it much more deeply because of you guys.

Yeah, that’s true. I’ll say that I learned a hell of a lot about LIFE because of many of these posters.

I may just post in the other forum here, in time.

[zn]

PA Ram wrote:

I like the comfort of home and the up-close experience of television.

I can’t help but think that part of this is a response to CoachO’s crusty defense of seeing the team live. I debated with myself whether to post that here. My view is, all he was saying is that the experience of being around fans and the game and the practices mattered to him. When he says all that, he’s responding to posters telling him, basically, hey you can still watch the Rams on tv. His response was just to drive home the idea that he’s losing a community experience and tv games won’t make up for that.

To me, part of this story is our posters and others like Jim Fadler, Mike Franke, and CoachO feeling betrayed. I don’t want to argue with them about watching games on tv or whether or not this or that clause in Stan K’s proposal was valid or so on. I just feel the loss of some friends in our online communities and I see their point about how the legalities of this were handled. That’s what I am getting out of that, and posts like it from members of our own community.

[Dak]

zn wrote:

PA Ram wrote:

I like the comfort of home and the up-close experience of television.

I can’t help but think that part of this is a response to CoachO’s crusty defense of seeing the team live. I debated with myself whether to post that here. My view is, all he was saying is that the experience of being around fans and the game and the practices mattered to him. When he says all that, he’s responding to posters telling him, basically, hey you can still watch the Rams on tv. His response was just to drive home the idea that he’s losing a community experience and tv games won’t make up for that.

To me, part of this story is our posters and others like Jim Fadler, Mike Franke, and CoachO feeling betrayed. I don’t want to argue with them about watching games on tv or whether or not this or that clause in Stan K’s proposal was valid or so on. I just feel the loss of some friends in our online communities and I see their point about how the legalities of this were handled. That’s what I am getting out of that, and posts like it from members of our own community.

zn, I appreciate your approach on this. Let people say how they feel. Don’t try to convince them to feel otherwise. I can’t talk to people in St. Louis who aren’t true Rams fans right now, because all they want to do is act like the Rams didn’t matter, or that we’re better off without them, or whatever. That’s not true. I can’t feel that way. I can only say moving forward that I don’t want another NFL team, because this is a joke. The whole stadium thing is a joke. Now, you can’t just have a place to play. You’ve got to have an experience and surrounding retail that will line the owners’ pockets for decades to come. The new businesses that go into the retail shops? They just take away from other businesses. The money is just shuffled around. The only reason to have an NFL franchise, in my view, is because you love football. You want to watch your team compete year-in, year-out. But, if you don’t feel that way, if you’re really not a big fan, yeah, I get it, these people say screw off, Rams, you were losers anyway. There are just so many other people here like me who would follow the local NFL team through the worse possible seasons, and that’s what we got for several years before the crawl up to mediocrity.

I have to say, Stan can build a stadium. I just wonder how L.A. would embrace a boring product on the field. I don’t really care if the new stadium is filled. Doesn’t affect me one way or another. But, in the end, I would think it would be funny to see a mostly empty behemoth of a structure, not just 8 Sundays a year but 16 Sundays.

[zn]

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RamSanchez1

First I would like to thank you all in St. Louis for being the fans that you all are. I am from Riverside California and have been a Rams fan for over 42 years and like you are now, I was devastated when the Rams left for St. Louis. My son was only 7 years old and cried when they moved. We were there for the final game Christmas Eve in 94, that was one of his wish list presents. I too was upset and hated Georgia for deciding to move my team and i had every right to be. But for the past 21 years, I have continued to be a fan of the Rams. My son,now 28 is still a die hard ram fan as well as my 17 year old son, wife, daughter in-law and two grandsons. I made it out to St. Louis for the double overtime loss to the panthers and i could not believe how the city shut down for the game. I could not believe how loud it was in the Edward Jones Dome. I was so excited to be in a dome with over 60,000 rams fans and even though we lost, we all felt the same sadness for we were all Ram fans. Now that they are headed to LA, I hope that you continue to follow the Rams. I took my whole family (7 of us) to the Browns game last year in October. I hope you will continue to support the Rams? I know it hurts right now but that will subside and when that does, the Rams will still be here. I hope I get to meet you when you visit LA for a Rams game. 🙂

[InvaderRam]

i feel sad for all the st. louis fans out there. it’s gotta really suck for them. being treated like this. not just the move. but the feeling that they were being lied to.

but it also warms my heart to hear stories about all the los angeles fans. to finally get their team back after all these years. like the story above.

and i realize that this is all against a backdrop of a profit driven league. billionaire owners trying to squeeze more out of their fans. pure greed. but i don’t care. that’s what this world is. it doesn’t matter to me. it’s always going to be there. it’s not just isolated to pro sports. too depressing to me to worry about those things that are out of my control.

but these stories here. st louis fans. los angeles fans. that’s what i care about. and i love watching football. there’s lots of stories there – both terrible and uplifting. i guess if i ever reach my limit, i’ll stop watching too. i’ll stop caring. but i don’t feel like i’ve hit that point yet.

[wv]

InvaderRam wrote:

“…and i realize that this is all against a backdrop of a profit driven league. billionaire owners trying to squeeze more out of their fans. pure greed. but i don’t care. that’s what this world is….”

Well, maybe, possibly, perhaps,
it doesn’t ‘have‘ to be that way.
Ya know. 🙂

w
v
“….Before I went to college… I read… “Moral Mazes” by Robert Jackall which is a study of how corporations work…, this sociologist picks a corporation at random and studies the middle managers, not the people who do any of the grunt work and not the big decision makers, the people whose job is to make sure that things day to day get done, and he shows how even though they’re all perfectly reasonable people, perfectly nice people, all the things that they were accomplishing were incredibly evil. So you have these people in this average corporation, they were making decisions to blow out their worker’s eardrums in the factory, to poison the lakes and the lagoons nearby, to make these products that are filled with toxic chemicals that poisoned their customers, not because any of them were bad people and wanted to kill their workers and their neighborhood and their customers, but just because that was the logic of the situation they were in….” Aaron Swartz

[InvaderRam]

i’ve been thinking about this for the past year. and i’ve been wondering why i feel such an attachment to this team – more than any other team out there. more than the cardinals. i moved to st. louis for college in 1993. the rams moved their shortly thereafter in 1995. my college years in st. louis were some of the best in my entire life. and i felt like the rams were part of that – having moved there around the same time i did. almost like we both experienced st louis together for the first time. and so in that way i will always feel a stronger bond to the rams than the cardinals.

and now i live in los angeles. it’s actually home to me now. i’ve lived here longer than i’ve lived anywhere else. it feels like home to me. and now the rams have moved back. it’s weird. maybe if they moved to the east coast that bond would have weakened? i don’t know. i don’t think so. but who knows. who knows how my irrational mind would have reacted to that. but it’s weird. it’s almost as if having the rams back in los angeles has made the city more of a home to me now. maybe it’s even strengthened that bond. but i also think that i still would care about the rams wherever they go.

[InvaderRam]

wv wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

“…and i realize that this is all against a backdrop of a profit driven league. billionaire owners trying to squeeze more out of their fans. pure greed. but i don’t care. that’s what this world is….”

Well, maybe, possibly, perhaps,
it doesn’t ‘have‘ to be that way.
Ya know.

w
v
“….Before I went to college… I read… “Moral Mazes” by Robert Jackall which is a study of how corporations work…, this sociologist picks a corporation at random and studies the middle managers, not the people who do any of the grunt work and not the big decision makers, the people whose job is to make sure that things day to day get done, and he shows how even though they’re all perfectly reasonable people, perfectly nice people, all the things that they were accomplishing were incredibly evil. So you have these people in this average corporation, they were making decisions to blow out their worker’s eardrums in the factory, to poison the lakes and the lagoons nearby, to make these products that are filled with toxic chemicals that poisoned their customers, not because any of them were bad people and wanted to kill their workers and their neighborhood and their customers, but just because that was the logic of the situation they were in….” Aaron Swartz

you have far more faith in humanity than i do.

haha!

[lyser]

So being a nomad and still owning some LA Rams stuff, I’m still in.

Matter of fact got me a personalized blue and white that says ~ lyser on the back, had it for years, so I guess LA is ok with me.

People of the Lou got screwed…is there an owner in this league that is not a complete niggardly douche nozzle? Fuck Georgia, fuck her boy,and fuck Stan. Dick moves all around by all of them since CR “drown” (yup and Ray Lewis didn’t kill anyone).

The barter system is such a better plan. I got kilo loads of plastic to trade for pumpkin seeds.

Matter of fact got me a personalized blue and white that says ~ lyser on the back, had it for years, so I guess LA is ok with me.

[wv]

lyser wrote:

So being a nomad and still owning some LA Rams stuff, I’m still in.

Matter of fact got me a personalized blue and white that says ~ lyser on the back, had it for years, so I guess LA is ok with me.

People of the Lou got screwed…is there an owner in this league that is not a complete niggardly douche nozzle? Fuck Georgia, fuck her boy,and fuck Stan. Dick moves all around by all of them since CR “drown” (yup and Ray Lewis didn’t kill anyone).

The barter system is such a better plan. I got kilo loads of plastic to trade for pumpkin seeds.

Matter of fact got me a personalized blue and white that says ~ lyser on the back, had it for years, so I guess LA is ok with me.

If you dont have a ram-Bong
I will be disappointed.

w
v

[lyser]

wv wrote:

lyser wrote:

So being a nomad and still owning some LA Rams stuff, I’m still in.

Matter of fact got me a personalized blue and white that says ~ lyser on the back, had it for years, so I guess LA is ok with me.

People of the Lou got screwed…is there an owner in this league that is not a complete niggardly douche nozzle? Fuck Georgia, fuck her boy,and fuck Stan. Dick moves all around by all of them since CR “drown” (yup and Ray Lewis didn’t kill anyone).

The barter system is such a better plan. I got kilo loads of plastic to trade for pumpkin seeds.

Matter of fact got me a personalized blue and white that says ~ lyser on the back, had it for years, so I guess LA is ok with me.

If you dont have a ram-Bong
I will be disappointed.

w
v

Cmon brother. I got the pipe. Will a sticker on my otherwise non ram bong do? I am not sure I can bare the burden of your personal disapointment in me.

[lyser]

Ah. Yeah I can bare the burden. Hell been doing for years anyway. So fuck you, your bong and stupid sticker idea.

[wv]

lyser wrote:

Ah. Yeah I can bare the burden. Hell been doing for years anyway. So fuck you, your bong and stupid sticker idea.

So you dont have one then —
and you call yourself a Ram fan.

w
v

[zn]

Dak wrote:

zn, I appreciate your approach on this. Let people say how they feel. Don’t try to convince them to feel otherwise.

I like the way this board works…lots of “informal polls” type posting with everyone chiming in, some debate but rarely if ever in conflict. Especially on this issue, …it’s a complicated issue with all sorts of different sides and one where everyone should just speak their minds to their hearts’ content and not fight over the details.

I;ve seen the death-match board war versions of this discussion out there and they are ugly.

IMO we all feel things but we can’t all know what everyone else feels unless we listen.

That sounds like a kumbaya coach speaking but it’s really more basic than that. Just simple common sense.

Interesting that the board shows why it exists when many folks contribute at this high a level, speaking for many different views.

.

[lyser]

wv wrote:

lyser wrote:

Ah. Yeah I can bare the burden. Hell been doing for years anyway. So fuck you, your bong and stupid sticker idea.

So you dont have one then —
and you call yourself a Ram fan.

w
v

Correct. (stalks off in shame hood up head down)

[canadaram]

zn wrote:

I like the way this board works

This board kicks ass. The absence of ego is what I love.

As far as the relocation goes I still don’t like the feeling that it gives me. Although I have no way of knowing what went on behind the scenes hearing Demoff and Kronke talk about how long they’ve been working on it just makes me feel worse for the people of St Louis. Clearly they didn’t just start thinking about it last month or last year year. I realize that it would be a long time in the planning and execution, so I shouldn’t be surprised. Even so it still rattled me a bit to hear them speak about it at the introductory PC in LA. Hollywood could probably make a decent movie about the sliminess that went on during this process.

All that said, I fell in love with the helmets as an 8 year old in 1976, so my fandom for the on-the-field Rams won’t change. I just don’t have any warm feelings of sentiment about the move.

• This reply was modified 8 years, 11 months ago by canadaram.
• This reply was modified 8 years, 11 months ago by canadaram.

[zn]

from off the net (edited a TINY bit so it’s less context-specific)

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JamesJM

one of the things about St. Louis fans I love that most…is that they all get that… that some of us are not from St. Louis, that is, and have been fans since the pre St. Louis Days. In fact, I think every single one of them understand that. And not only that…. they applaud it.

Without question if I lived in St. Louis I’d be leading the lynching party. I wasn’t a Cleveland Ram fan, I wasn’t born then. But I am forever a Ram fan.

I think I *DO* care ‘where’ they play… but only the sense that I want the Ram’s to have support…. and so far, LA, St. Louis, now LA again I think they have had that and will continue to have that.

I recently wrote that I think St. Louis fans set a very high bar for being a ‘fan’… I believe it with all my heart. They stuck through as bad of times as it gets.

I have no way of knowing the ‘count’… but it appears that some, many?, will stay Ram fans… great. Some will move on. Even though I know things will return to normal, and RAMS FOOTBALL will once again prevail… I won’t be forgetting the ‘community’ we’ve shared now going on two decades. I feel a loss… a big one, and that feeling will never completely leave me. –

[lyser]

yeah up top James nails it

[bnw]

lyser wrote:

wv wrote:

lyser wrote:

Ah. Yeah I can bare the burden. Hell been doing for years anyway. So fuck you, your bong and stupid sticker idea.

So you dont have one then —
and you call yourself a Ram fan.

w
v

Correct. (stalks off in shame hood up head down)

Don’t do it through a gated community.

The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

Sprinkles are for winners.

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