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March 3, 2024 at 4:32 pm #149616znModerator
Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
Wrapping up NFL competition committee meetings on potential rules changes, per league officials including executive VP of football operations Troy Vincent …• Special teams coordinators will meet Saturday and try to craft modified kickoff rules that deliver an acceptable injury rate. Hope is to have a formal proposal to discuss by middle of next week. Multiple onside kick options, including uneven formations and the 4th-and-long alternative, are under discussion.
• No changes expected to the rule on a fumble through the end zone being a touchback. Only happened four times in over 40,000 snaps last season and the feeling is it’s a product of poor technique.
• QB push play is still a concern for the health and safety committee, but injury rate is low. There were 299 sneaks last season — most in modern NFL history — and success rates were actually slightly higher without a push.
• A rule proposal will be written on outlawing the hip-drop tackle, defined by three components: grab, swivel and dropping weight on the back of the ankle. Only to be called when it’s clear and obvious that all three components are present, and officials are confident they can see it. There is support for outlawing it.
• Intentional grounding fouls are way up (59 in 2023) and take a long time to administrate. There should be a rule change proposal aimed at reducing fouls and protecting QBs.
Any votes could happen at next month’s annual meeting.
March 3, 2024 at 4:53 pm #149617znModeratorAlbert Breer@AlbertBreer
As @TomPelissero said, the NFL is working on a proposal that INCLUDES teams having to declare onside kicks. But it’s part of a much larger concept that’ll have teams kicking off from the opponent’s 40-yard line, with an aim on increasing returns, taking space/speed out.The proposal …
• Kickoff team lines up on the plus-40. Same alignment rules. Everyone but kicker has foot on the 40.
• Return team lines up 9-10 players in setup zone b/w the 35 and 30. Six must have their foot on the 35.
• 1-2 returners b/w the 20 and goal line.
• No one but the kicker and return men can move until the ball is touched by the returner.
• If the ball doesn’t cross the 20 in the air, it’s treated as out of bounds, goes to the 40.
• If kicker kicks it into the end zone on the fly, touchback comes out to the 35.
• If return team lets it roll into the end zone, the touchback goes to the 20.
Idea was developed by Saints STC Darren Rizzi and Cowboys STC John Fassel. Those two and Bears STC Richard Hightower presented it to Roger Goodell and the competition committee last week.
So this is why, again, as Tom said, the onside kick rules needed to be adjusted. The hope is it’ll eliminate the 25-yard headstart to collision that the current space and speed create, and flip the number of touchbacks-to-returns, which is 80/20 now.
March 3, 2024 at 5:00 pm #149619znModeratorTom Pelissero@TomPelissero
No surprises: The new kickoff rule crafted by NFL special teams coordinators would allow teams to attempt an onside kick only when trailing in the fourth quarter — and require them to declare it in advance, per sources.NFL special teams coordinators met Saturday at the combine. Other notes on their proposal …
If the kickoff team declares they’re attempting an onside kick, they potentially could be allowed to utilize an unbalanced (6×4) formation, raising odds of recovery. Just 5.2% were recovered in 2023 and there just two surprise onside kicks, thanks largely to run-ups being banned.
Setup zone: The kick and return teams would line up on the receiving team’s 40- and 35-yard lines, respectively, and not leave until the ball is touched or reaches the “target zone” (20-yard line to goal line).
Touchbacks: If the ball is kicked into the end zone, the receiving team gets it at the 35. If the ball is kicked into the target zone and rolls into the end zone, the receiving team gets it at the 20.
Language still being finalized and owners must approve.
March 4, 2024 at 1:12 pm #149640ZooeyModeratorAlbert Breer@AlbertBreer As @TomPelissero said, the NFL is working on a proposal that INCLUDES teams having to declare onside kicks. But it’s part of a much larger concept that’ll have teams kicking off from the opponent’s 40-yard line, with an aim on increasing returns, taking space/speed out. The proposal … • Kickoff team lines up on the plus-40. Same alignment rules. Everyone but kicker has foot on the 40. • Return team lines up 9-10 players in setup zone b/w the 35 and 30. Six must have their foot on the 35. • 1-2 returners b/w the 20 and goal line. • No one but the kicker and return men can move until the ball is touched by the returner. • If the ball doesn’t cross the 20 in the air, it’s treated as out of bounds, goes to the 40. • If kicker kicks it into the end zone on the fly, touchback comes out to the 35. • If return team lets it roll into the end zone, the touchback goes to the 20. Idea was developed by Saints STC Darren Rizzi and Cowboys STC John Fassel. Those two and Bears STC Richard Hightower presented it to Roger Goodell and the competition committee last week. So this is why, again, as Tom said, the onside kick rules needed to be adjusted. The hope is it’ll eliminate the 25-yard headstart to collision that the current space and speed create, and flip the number of touchbacks-to-returns, which is 80/20 now.
March 25, 2024 at 5:01 pm #150089znModeratorRich McKay making it clear multiple times there’s a difference between a hip-drop tackle and the swivel hip-drop tackle. The defensive player lifting himself off the ground and using his weight to fall on the offensive player is what they’re working to eliminate. https://t.co/gnSmMDwaGn
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) March 25, 2024
March 25, 2024 at 5:04 pm #150090znModeratorcleophas@cleophasnyasimiThe defensive player lifting himself off the ground and using his weight to fall on the offensive player is what they’re working to eliminate..Mike Garafolo@MikeGarafoloNFL’s Jeff Miller says they saw 230 instances of the swivel hip-drop tackle last season. So roughly once per game. Of those tackles, 15 players missed time due to injury because of the tackle.March 25, 2024 at 7:14 pm #150094znModeratorMike Garafolo@MikeGarafolo
NFL’s Jeff Miller says they saw 230 instances of the swivel hip-drop tackle last season. So roughly once per game. Of those tackles, 15 players missed time due to injury because of the tackle.
Rich McKay: “Do we have a problem? The answer was yes.”
“This will be a hard one to call on the field, you have to see every element of it. We want to make it a rule so we can deal on the discipline during the week.” https://t.co/84Ny0FEq8s
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 25, 2024
March 25, 2024 at 7:54 pm #150095InvaderRamModeratori don’t know. at first glance i don’t like this rule. i don’t want players to get hurt, but what are defenses supposed to do now?
March 26, 2024 at 7:48 am #150097znModeratori don’t know. at first glance i don’t like this rule. i don’t want players to get hurt, but what are defenses supposed to do now?
It seems to me that the hip-swivel tackle is something that you deliberately do and don’t have to do, and subtracting it doesn’t change the game at all.
March 26, 2024 at 10:48 am #150100nittany ramModeratorRule has been tweaked. Kicks into the end zone will now be placed at the 30 yard line instead of the 35.
whoa, that's a big change https://t.co/ZfWyvvWCNi
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) March 26, 2024
March 26, 2024 at 2:16 pm #150101wvParticipantThe kickoff rule confuses me. I’ll have to wait and see what it looks like, i guess.
I suppose the new rule may favor the smartest craftiest special teams coaches for the first year or so, until everyone gets up to speed.
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March 26, 2024 at 3:05 pm #150102wvParticipantI guess it will look somethin like this?
March 26, 2024 at 5:57 pm #150106znModeratorThis is not a hip drop tackle.. pic.twitter.com/oiaCMUBdJ2
— Sheriff Joe Bags (@SheriffJoeBags) March 26, 2024
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Màxkhuwe@MackeyserNo, not a hip drop. That’s a classic wrap up tackle. A hip drop would involve his hip falling on the receiver’s legs/ankles. He was trailing too far to even try a hip dropMarch 26, 2024 at 6:37 pm #150111znModeratorHoward Balzer@HBalzer721Important rule change not talked about a lot is that a practice-squad QB can now be elevated for games as the emergency QB along with the two standard elevations. There is no limit on the number of times the QB can be elevated.May 21, 2024 at 11:46 pm #151004znModeratorAri Meirov@MySportsUpdatePotential big change: The NFL plans to trial an electronic system for measuring first downs during preseason games. If the trial is successful and receives approval, the tracking system will be fully implemented for the 2024 NFL regular season. The traditional sticks and chain method would then serve as a backup.May 29, 2024 at 3:14 pm #151060znModeratorAndrew Siciliano@AndrewSicilianoObservation from Rams OTA yesterday: New kickoffs are going to look VERY odd at first. 32 teams may have 32 different ways of handling. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are 5 TD in Week 1, nor would I be stunned if there weren’t any at all in September. Nobody knows.May 31, 2024 at 10:40 pm #151090znModeratorAri Meirov@MySportsUpdateThe #Chiefs have considered not using Harrison Butker for all kickoffs and instead using a player like safety Justin Reid. Special teams coordinator Dave Toub said the new kickoff rule has kickers more involved in tackles, and they don’t want that for Butker. The new NFL kickoff rule is such a huge change…...May 31, 2024 at 10:46 pm #151091znModerator..
June 4, 2024 at 8:02 pm #151116znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
We asked ST coordinator Chase Blackburn a lot of questions about the new kickoff today, the full back-and-forth w/ reporters of which I am sure will be posted by team channels. But some interesting highlights from my perspective –
– Blackburn said he explained to players at thecore as, “it’s like freeze tag … you’re frozen until the ball is touched or hits the ground.”
– They will kick off with a kicker, because they want ball placement and precision.
– They will utilize offensive and defensive concepts in this phase akin to run schemes …… gap, zone, trap and toss cracks…players have been brainstorming w/ him.
– Kicker will be asked to use a bunch of different clubs in the bag…spinning ball differently, chipping, dropping, etc. depending on play designs they are still working through. So again Blackburnprefers a kicker doing this.
– Non-contact rules in OTAs will mean much of this will actually be learned in training camp/preseason. Why joint practices will be so valuable in this phase. They won’t want to show everything but still need to work it out with at least some contact.– It’s not like Blackburn wants Karty to be out there tackling. But, he added, if it’s kicked short of the 20 or OOB, the ball goes 25 yards from the spot of the kick. “You don’t want to start too many drives like that … not too many position players that you could bank on
having 80% of the kicks … I get the premise, there may be one or two somewhere in the league that try it. But also, once the kicker kicks the ball he can’t cross the 50 anyway until the ball touches the ground or is caught. So it’s not like he’s getting down there and being
in phase with the kickoff unit. He’s gonna be 20, 25 yards behind the ball even at that point. … I think the risk/reward of putting a guy out there that can’t put the ball consistently inside the 20 or even hit a TB if that’s the goal.”
June 6, 2024 at 11:17 am #151129znModeratorfrom https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2024/6/6/24172536/rams-special-teams-53-man-roster-new-kickoff-rule
.Under the new rules, there’s a lot more strategy from both sides and it’s more of a football play. Rams special teams coach Chase Blackburn spoke to the media on Tuesday and said,
“It’s just such a unique play with its own rules set right now. Still evolving with the play as it evolves…It’s more like an offensive-defensive play, so looking at it from that perspective…All that stuff is completely different and that’s the biggest feeler for everything is what are our drop angles? What are our depths and our limits? And most important thing as always, is that some things don’t change. It’s always about man meet ball. Really that’s what we’re looking for is like developing some basic fundamentals, working through some concepts and some schemes as well as even some install progressions to get into training camp, which is one of the things I think so unique about the offseason and for us to be able to sit out here and once we got to phase three where we could go against each other because really before that you’re doing some drill work but you can’t go against each other. But once you feel it as a whole perspective, it changes you outlook on a little bit. There’s so many intricacies to the rule. I’m sure some things will still change before it’s all said (and done).”
Due to touchbacks being placed at the 30-yard line rather than the 25, it’s very possible that we see more returns and less kicks out of the back of the end zone. With that said, it’s going to be important for special teams units to have a plan on not only how to cover the play, but how to block it on the returning side. Blackburn noted on Tuesday that they could look to use some gap scheme type blocking or zone plays that could help get the returner to the second level. This is much more a “football” offense-defense play than it has been in the past. It’s a phase of the game that can’y simply be put on the back-burner or it may cost teams game.
This is the approach that the Rams have taken, especially at the returner position throughout the Sean McVay era. Pharaoh Cooper did make a Pro Bowl in 2017 and Brandon Powell also had some success. With that said, that’s not something that they’ll be able to do this year. It’s also a reason why they potentially signed Boston Scott who has both punt and kick returner experience. Blackburn jokingly said that rookie edge Jared Verse wants to be a returner and then continued by saying,
“There’s definitely some variables there. I think the one thing you got to look at is from a returner’s perspective, one of the things that we really tried to identify is guys that…like center fielders that can cover a lot of ground, can read and have a great jump off the bat. It’s no different than than our returners now being able to have like tennis feet where they’re kind of fluid early in the down and get a good jump as soon as it hits the foot. Instead of a 4.2 second hang, you’re probably going to average around a two second hang time now because it’s more advantageous for our kickoff team to get it up and down as fast as possible and not let the returner sit underneath that, camp out and take off… I think, even the guys that say they want have one returner back there, I think that’s an out-of-the box thinking…You’ll see most teams will go with two. Maybe there’ll be a couple guys in the preseason that try one, see what they can get away with blocking scheme wise. But I really truly believe that two returners will be what you see most likely.”
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More high profile players and skill position players could get more involved in the third-phase of the game. The Rams haven’t typically kept many linebackers on the final 53-man roster anyway. However, with the new rules that might be the case even more. The Rams could keep extra wide receivers or defensive backs instead.
Last season, Ethan Evans was the player that took kickoffs for the Rams. Evans led all kickers with an average distance of 72 yards per attempt and had the fourth-lowest return percentage. While the Rams may not go to the extreme of taking Evans off of kickoff duty, this was something that Blackburn talked about with the media,
“The way I look at it is, yeah, you don’t want your kicker making a ton of tackles, right? But also, again, if it’s short of the 20 or out of bounds, the ball’s going 25 yards from the spot of kick. So you’re going the 40-yard line. You don’t want start too many drives like that. And I’d say there’s not too many position players that you could bank on having 80% of the kicks without like a traditional…Because again, if you’re kicking the ball to the 10-yard line and they can get underneath it and run, they’re going be at the 30-35 before you turn around.”
June 6, 2024 at 4:34 pm #151133canadaramParticipantThe Rams special teams concerns me. Hopefully they can thrive with this new kickoff.
June 10, 2024 at 3:34 pm #151158znModeratorPaul Dehner Jr.@pauldehnerjrFirst time Zac Taylor has opted for a joint practice with multiple teams during camp. Little more aggressive mindset in prep for regular season, where #Bengals have been habitual slow starters..Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodriguefically to the Bengals’ thoughts but joint practices will be a big time training ground for the new kickoff and teams are smart to schedule multiple partners. Try ideas with actual contact – but without putting them on tape as in preseason games.August 8, 2024 at 1:06 pm #151633znModerator -
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