Anti-Trump protests ARE peaceful and organic.

InvaderRam wrote:

i blame it on an increasing disparity in wealth distribution. eliminate that and you see some of these problems disappear. that’s what i suspect anyway. when your security is threatened people start blaming the others. out of fear or whatever. i know it’s not that simple but it’s part of the problem. i think the problems lie MOSTLY upstairs and not down here.

I agree. People need jobs. Good jobs. People need to be able to plan for a future of hope. When that happens the purveyors of divisive politics don’t get much of a following.

and that’s not to say there isn’t an element of racism among trump supporters. there is. it certainly plays a significant part. misogyny and homophobia. there’s that too.

but i also don’t like how clinton minimized other issues and reduced it down to vote for us or side with racism and misogyny and homophobia.

bernie would not have done that. i truly believe that.

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— X — wrote:

Billy_T wrote:

You obviously don’t know me well, cuz I’ve been expressing my views on a wide range of subjects, online and off, for decades.

Well, yeah. Of course I don’t know you well. We’ve been exposed to each other’s views for what … 4 days? lol. And how would I know how you conduct yourself offline — for decades?

Billy_T wrote:

In short, X, you have no clue who I am.

Again. Clearly. That’s why I asked. You know, to gain a little insight? To get to know you?

Getting to know you

Zooey wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

and that’s not to say there isn’t an element of racism among trump supporters. there is. it certainly plays a significant part. misogyny and homophobia. there’s that too.

but i also don’t like how clinton minimized other issues and reduced it down to vote for us or side with racism and misogyny and homophobia.

bernie would not have done that. i truly believe that.

There was a great article during the primaries that was posted here that argued that Dems should nominate Sanders precisely because of this. Because against Hillary, Trump would go low, and she couldn’t leave the “Crooked Hillary” stuff alone, and would have to go low back at him, and that she would inevitably lose a mud-slinging contest. Whereas Sanders would have just kept banging away on wealth, health care, and college education. He would have no need to go to the gutter, and Trump would just look bad in contrast. That was the argument.

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True, zooey.

But i still am skeptical about the breezy view that Sanders “would have won”. Maybe.
But i dunno. America does not seem like a nation that would elect a socialist to me.

Granted, Bernie ran as an FDR progressive.

I dunno. I think it woulda been REAL close.

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wv wrote:

Theres an element of racism among SOME trump supporters. A FACTION of Trump supporters.
Not ALL Trump supporters. We dont know what the percentages are.

We can guestimate. What would be a high number of overt racists? By that I mean, the kinds that go out and spray paint hate messages on churches. 20,000? That’s .03% of his supporters. If we’re trying to determine how many closet racists there are that support Trump, I think that would be a disingenuous endeavor. Racists are racists, and they can be found everywhere. I’ve already given several examples of high profile people who exhibited racial tendencies who are left-leaning.

wv wrote:

InvaderRam wrote:

and that’s not to say there isn’t an element of racism among trump supporters. there is.

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Theres an element of racism among SOME trump supporters. A FACTION of Trump supporters.
Not ALL Trump supporters. We dont know what the percentages are.

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you’re right. i’m not trying to say among all trump supporters. i mean some trump supporters.

this is gonna keep getting uglier.

i just saw this article about a west virginia mayor who resigned after her response to a facebook post comparing michelle obama to an “ape”…

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/15/politics/west-virginia-mayor-michelle-obama-racist-facebook-trnd/index.html

The mayor of Clay, West Virginia, has resigned and another county official is out following their exchange over a racist Facebook post that compared first lady Michelle Obama to an “ape in heels.”

The county employee, Pamela Taylor, worked as director of the Clay County Development Corporation and wrote on Facebook: “It will be so refreshing to have a classy, beautiful, dignified First Lady back in the White House. I’m tired of seeing a (sic) Ape in heels,” according to a screengrab obtained by CNN affiliate WSAZ.

Mayor Beverly Whaling commented on the post saying: “Just made my day Pam,” the screengrab shows.
Clay County Commissioner Greg Fitzwater confirmed to CNN that Whaling resigned, but did not know if Taylor was terminated or resigned her post. But he said that she was no longer working for the county.
CNN has attempted to reach both Whaling and Taylor for comment and have not heard back.

Mackeyser wrote:

bnw wrote:

Gays attacked for no good reason? There are countless knock out videos of black on white violence that never make the MSM with the exception of FOX News on occasion. That is what Obama has brought. Violence on the left is far more the norm than on the right. Flying the stars and bars isn’t uncommon in the South. Usually the stars and bars flies with the stars and stripes. You should know that living there and it isn’t a protest against a trans child. Why you fear Trump I cannot fathom.

I live in Florida and at least in this corner of the deep south… the stars and bars do NOT fly with the American flag. That’s just horseshit. Patently false. If there’s room for two flags, you get two stars and bars.

It’s rare to see them together. RARE.

But more importantly, I refuse to engage in equivocation. WRONG IS WRONG. PERIOD.

So, not only don’t I give a shit about “knock out videos”, I’m not talking about them nor will I. If you wish to champion that cause, then do that. I’ll be glad to hear your arguments and maybe if the argument is valid, I’ll change my mind and begin to care.

Beyond that, my child has real concerns because real violence is happening in the LGBTQ+ community. That’s real and doesn’t require equivocation, defense or mitigation. It’s just a fact and violence based on identity is simply unAmerican.

So apparently you do see both flags flying together since you said “rare”. Then your part of FL is not culturally the “Deep South”. Same for perhaps most of FL at that. So many transplants from the NE, midwest, caribbean the last 20 years.

I’ve asked you this before, what does the Q+ mean?

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— X — wrote:

bnw wrote:

I’ve asked you this before, what does the Q+ mean?

Queer/Questioning, and others.

Thanks. What “others” could there be besides hermaphrodites?

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bnw wrote:

— X — wrote:

bnw wrote:

I’ve asked you this before, what does the Q+ mean?

Queer/Questioning, and others.

Thanks. What “others” could there be besides hermaphrodites?

I have a trans child. I could tell you if you’d like to know.

The acronym is LGBTQPIAK (some spell it LGBTQIAPK)

I’d be happy to go through each one, what each means and briefly why they are important.

If you’re serious about understanding. Honestly.

Please don’t inquire for sport or fodder.