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  • #106238
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    Yawn The Manhattan Institute a free market think tank. Yes Medicare 4 All would cost a shitload which is about half what we’re already paying now…>

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    Well, the mainstream-corporate-capitalist -LA-Times is owned by a South African Billionaire who made his money in the Health Care Biz. I dont know much about him, but I imagine the Times’ views on many big-econ-power issues are influenced by Mr Soon-Shiong.

    “…In early January 2017, as announced by Sean Spicer, then President-elect Donald Trump met with Soon-Shiong at his Bedminster, NJ, estate to discuss national medical priorities.[38]…” Wiki

    Article fwiw:https://www.statnews.com/2017/07/20/soon-shiong-conflicts-patients/
    Expanding his medical empire is good for Patrick Soon-Shiong. But is it good for patients?

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    I found this very interesting.

    https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20191001-the-bias-behind-the-worlds-greatest-catastrophes

    The outcome bias erodes your sense of risk and makes you blind to error, explaining everything from fatal plane crashes to the Columbia crash and the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

    By David Robson
    2nd October 2019

    Imagine a pilot is taking a familiar flight along a known route, during which the weather takes a turn for the worst. She knows that flying through the storm comes with some serious risks – and according to her training, she should take a detour or return. But she has flown the same route before, in similar weather – and she hadn’t experienced any problems then. Should she continue? Or should she turn back?

    If you believe that she is safe to fly on, then you have fallen for a cognitive quirk known as the “outcome bias”. Studies have shown that we often judge the quality of a decision or behaviour by its endpoint, while ignoring the many mitigating factors that might have contributed to success or failure – and that this can render us oblivious to potentially catastrophic errors in our thinking.

    In this example, the decision to take the previous flight was itself very risky – and the pilot may have only avoided an accident through a combination of lucky circumstances. But thanks to the outcome bias, she might ignore this possibility and assume that either the dangers had been overrated, or that it was her extraordinary skill that got her through, leading her to feel even happier taking the risk again in the future. And the more she does it, the less concerned about the danger she becomes.

    Besides leading us to become increasingly risky in our decision-making, the outcome bias can lead us to ignore incompetence and unethical behaviour in our colleagues. And the consequences can be truly terrifying, with studies suggesting that it has contributed to many famous catastrophes, including the crash of Nasa’s Columbia shuttle and the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

    The end, not the means

    Like much of our understanding of human irrationality, the outcome bias was first observed in the 1980s, with a seminal study of medical decision-making.

    Participants were given descriptions of various scenarios, including the risks and benefits of the different procedures, and then asked to rate the quality of the doctors’ judgement.

    The participants were told about a doctor’s choice to offer a patient a heart bypass, for instance – potentially adding many more years of good health, but with a small chance of death during the operation. Perhaps predictably, the participants judged the doctor’s decision far more harshly if they were told the patient subsequently died than when they were told that the patient lived – even though the benefits and risks were exactly the same in each case.

    The outcome bias is so deeply ingrained in our brains that it’s easy to understand why they would feel that the doctor should be punished for the patient’s death. Yet the participants’ reasoning is not logical, since there would have been no better way for the doctor to have weighed up that evidence – at the time of making the decision there was every chance the operation would have been a success. Once you know about the tragedy, however, it’s hard to escape that nagging feeling that the doctor was nevertheless at fault – leading the participants to question his competence.

    Negative results lead us to blame someone for events that were clearly beyond their control, even when we know all the facts that excuse their decision-making

    “We just have a hard time dissociating the random events that, along with the quality of the decision, jointly contribute to the outcome,” explains Krishna Savani at the Nanyang Technological University in Singapore.

    The finding, published in 1988, has been replicated many times, showing that negative results lead us to blame someone for events that were clearly beyond their control, even when we know all the facts that excuse their decision-making. And we now know that the opposite is also true: thanks to the outcome bias, a positive result can lead us to ignore flawed decision-making that should be kept in check, giving people a free pass for unacceptable behaviour.

    In one experiment by Francesca Gino at Harvard Business School, participants were told a story about a scientist who fudged their results to prove the efficacy of a drug they were testing. Gino found that the participants were less critical of the scientist’s behaviour if the drug turned out to be safe and effective than if it turned out to have dangerous side effects. Ideally, of course, you would judge both situations equally harshly – since an employee who behaves so irresponsibly could be a serious liability in the future.

    Such flawed thinking is a serious issue when considering things like promotion. It means that an investor, say, could be rewarded for a lucky streak in their performance even if there is clear evidence of incompetent or unethical behaviour, since their boss is unable to disconnect their decision-making from their results. Conversely, it shows how a failure can subtly harm your reputation even if there is clear evidence that you had acted appropriately based on the information at hand.

    “It’s a big problem that people are either being praised, or being blamed, for events that were largely determined by chance,” says Savani. “And this is relevant for government policy makers, for business managers – for anyone who’s making a decision.”

    The outcome bias may even affect our understand of sport. Arturo Rodriguez at the University of Chile recently examined pundits’ ratings of footballers on Goal.com. In games that had to be decided by penalty shootouts, he found that the results of those few short minutes at the end of the game swayed the experts’ judgements of the players’ performance throughout the whole match. Crucially, that was even true for the players who hadn’t scored any goals. “The result of the shoot-out had a significant impact on the individual evaluation of the players – even if they didn’t participate in it,” Rodriguez says. They could simply bask in the victory of others.

    Near misses

    The outcome bias’s most serious consequences, however, concern our perceptions of risk.

    One study of general aviation, for instance, examined pilots’ evaluations of flying under perilous weather conditions with poor visibility. It found that pilots were more likely to underestimate the dangers of the flight if they had just heard that another pilot had successfully made it through the same route. In reality, there is no guarantee that their success would mean a safe passage for the second flight – they may have only made it through by luck – but the outcome bias means that the pilots overlooked this fact.

    Catherine Tinsley, at Georgetown University, has found a similar pattern in people’s responses to natural disasters like hurricanes. If someone weathers one storm unscathed, they become less likely to purchase flood insurance before the next disaster, for instance.

    Tinsley’s later research suggests that this phenomenon may explain many organisational failings and catastrophes too. The crash of Nasa’s Columbia shuttle was caused by foam insulation breaking off an external tank during the launch, creating debris that struck a hole through the wing of the orbiter. The foam had broken from the insulation on many previous flights, however – but due to lucky circumstance it had never before created enough damage to cause a crash.

    Inspired by these findings, Tinsley’s team asked participants to consider a hypothetical mission with a near miss and to rate the project leader’s competence. She found that emphasising factors like safety, and the organisation’s visibility, meant that people were more likely to spot the event as a warning sign of a potential danger. The participants were also more conscious of the latent danger if they were told they would have to explain their judgement to a senior manager. Given these findings, organisations should emphasise everyone’s responsibility for spotting latent risks and reward people for reporting them.

    Savani agrees that we can protect ourselves from the outcome bias. He has found, for instance, that priming people to think more carefully about the context surrounding a decision or behaviour can render them less susceptible to the outcome effect. The aim should be to think about the particular circumstances in which it was made and to recognise the factors, including chance, that might have contributed to the end result.

    One way to do this is to engage in counter-factual thinking when assessing your or someone else’s performance, he says. What factors might have caused that different outcome? And would you still rate the decision or process the same way, if that had occurred?

    Consider that case of the scientist who was fudging their drug results. Even if the drug was safe in the end, imagining the worst-case scenario – with patient deaths – would make you more conscious of the risks he was taking. Similarly, if you were that pilot who chose to fly in unsuitable conditions, you might look at each flight to examine any risks you were taking and to think through how that might have played out in different circumstances.

    Whether you are an investor, a pilot or a Nasa scientist, these strategies to avoid the outcome bias will help prevent a chance success from blinding you to dangers in front of your eyes. Life is a gamble, but you can at least stack the odds in your favour, rather than allowing your mind to lull you into a false sense of security.

    David Robson is a writer based in London and Barcelona. His first book, The Intelligence Trap: Why Smart People Do Dumb Things, is out now. He is d_a_robson on Twitter.

    #105834
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    You guys may have seen this, but Jeff Flake said that if the impeachment vote were private rather than public, about 35 Republican senators would vote to impeach Trump. His support is razor thin and completely dependent upon Fear of Reprisal (from voters or the party machine).

    I wanna say that, in my study of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (as well as my personal experience with narcissists), one characteristic is the complete inability to accept blame for anything. They have a extremely strong compulsion to deflect any criticism at all.

    I think that we could see a Great Unraveling.

    Trump already said to the cameras that Pence’s phone calls should be looked at. Whether there is anything there or not, he is pushing his VP into the spotlight as a deflective shield. And he won’t hesitate to do that to ANYBODY (with the exception of Ivanka).

    There are a lot of people involved in this. Trump didn’t classify all these phone calls in an inappropriate place. He isn’t smart enough to do that, and probably has no understanding of classifications anyway. Somebody else did that. Probably multiple people. And we’ve just started on this. Given what we’ve seen over the past 3 years, does anybody doubt that there is an exceedingly long and impressive list of illegal maneuvers like this that have taken place to cover up the narcissistic lawlessness of this overconfident, entitled, ignorant, and frankly stupid man?

    The more Trump unravels, the more people are going to try to save themselves, and the more people who head for the lifeboats, the more he is going to unravel.

    And there are already people who have left – Tillerson and others – who may decide to speak their minds.

    Dunno. Hate making predictions because I get so many wrong, and that’s humiliating. But this looks like the beginning of the Grand Finale in a 3-year long fireworks show. And I say that based mostly on my certainty of what to expect from Donald Trump. It IS safe to predict that he will lose his shit. A “normal” person might be patient and ride out the storm, tacking this way and that, absorbing a hit here and there with an eye on the shore, but Trump is not that guy. He’s not. And nobody has been able to restrain him yet.

    #104996
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    The name doesn’t matter it’s the policies. When arguing with folks stress that. The Nazis sided against unions, cooperated with capitalists, and declared “the bolsheviks” their great political enemy. Doesn’t matter if the person you’re debating keeps saying “but this one goes to 11.” Ask them to name one single socialist policy the Nazis backed or implemented.

    In my experience, most of them wouldn’t know what a socialist policy was. They don’t know what socialism is. They think they do, but all they really know is the caricature of socialism portrayed by Fox News and Limbaugh.

    I find that if one is patient enough all people will listen respectfully to good rational arguments.

    Lol.

    Sorry couldn’t do that and keep a straight face.

    #104964
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    Los Angeles Rams Head Coach Sean McVay Conference Call – Wednesday, September 11, 2019

    The last time you guys played (it was a) pretty high stakes, high emotion type of ending. Does that matter at all in your mind this week with the Saints coming back to L.A.?
    “No. I think if anything, what it does is it continues to give you a great amount of respect for the caliber of football team that they are. Well coached, great players all over the place. I think really more than anything, just having played them twice last year, just makes you realize what a great football team it is coming in at our place and what a high level of game we’re going to need to play to compete with them.”

    The Saints and Rams have played three times now in the past two years – four if you include a preseason game. Does that familiarity, I mean, is it almost like a division game at this point, just with the amount of times you guys have played each other lately?
    “Well, we’ve seen each other a lot, but I think this is a great football team. They’ve done an excellent job. They’ve had some consistency and continuity on both sides of the ball in terms of obviously with Sean (Payton) running the offense and then coach (Dennis) Allen running the defense, transition with coach (Darren) Rizzi on the special teams. But one of the things that you see that’s consistent in all three phases, (they are) very sound, fundamentals, techniques, good schemes, great coaching and great players. You see why they’re the reigning No. 1 seed in the NFC and why they were one of the best teams in football and why they still are this year.”

    The Saints are getting David Onyemata back from a suspension. You guys saw a lot of him last year. Do you have to account for that this week when you’re preparing for a team that Week 1 you didn’t see any of that guy in there?
    “Absolutely. Yeah. He’s a really productive player. I think when you just look at their front across the board, you see why they were one of the top rush defenses in the league. And really when you look at the latter half of the year starting when we played them and then going on until the end of the season, they were one of the best defenses in the NFL. I thought they played at a really high level. They’re physical. Coach Allen does a great job mixing it up and then when you got great players to match it, it’s a great challenge and getting David back will definitely give them a boost on the interior for sure.”

    We haven’t really necessarily been following it too closely with Todd (Gurley) and the whole knee thing, but it looked like he played pretty well last week. How would you kind of assess that performance for him?
    “He played well. It was good to get him in the flow. I thought he did a great job closing out the game right under a hundred yards. He was productive, but there’s always some things we can improve on. It was great to be able to have Todd out there looking like the Todd that we all know and love.”

    When you’re watching Alvin Kamara either from afar or up-close, what’s kind of the one thing, if there is one thing, that really kind of separates him from other people? What makes him special in your eyes?
    “The versatility and the elite balance. You talk about a guy that’s got an unbelievable forward body lean. He’s always breaking tackles going forward. I’ve heard somebody refer to him that he’s like a kickstand guy. It’s like he’s got an extra leg. He’s able to just stay so balanced and so grounded. He’s got incredible hands. He’s got a great feel for space. And when he’s running the football, he’s one of the best in the league for a reason and one of the most versatile and he’s one of the best players in this league. And it shows up week in and week out.”

    Have you ever had a chance to sit down and talk football with Drew Brees and just kind of pick a brain that’s been around the game for 20 years now?
    “You know what? I really haven’t and I’ve heard so many great things about him from guys like Aaron Kromer and obviously when I talked to coach Payton about him and you can just see from afar, he is somebody that I have an unbelievable amount of respect for the way he handles himself, the way he leads and obviously the way he plays his game. I am a coach but I’m also a fan of this game and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a huge fan of Drew Brees.”

    ***

    Los Angeles Rams HC Sean McVay, September 11 press conference

    (On if he has an update on S Eric Weddle’s injury)

    “He (S Eric Weddle) is feeling good. I think he was asymptomatic, so he’s on track. He has to go through everything as far as passing everything that we need. I anticipate him being ready to go (on Sunday).”

    (On if Weddle will practice on Wednesday)

    “I haven’t had a chance to talk to (Senior Director, Sports Medicine and Performance) Reggie (Scott) about that yet.”

    (On if Weddle has to change his helmet following the injury)

    “That would be something, really as much as anything, for the laceration. Just to make sure because he got some stitches in his head. Those are things we’ll make sure we get squared away, so hopefully that’s not an issue that comes up in the future.”

    (On if he sat down and spoke with CB Nickell Robey-Coleman about the controversial play in the 2018 NFC Championship game)

    “Not really. We kind of talked about it as a team. It was something that, we all know what it looked like. Obviously, nobody’s going to sit here and say that wasn’t a pass interference and that’s why it led to some rules being changed. I think everybody, even though that play benefitted our team, nobody wants anything but a fair game. Those clear and obvious plays that we can avoid, we want to be able to do that and that’s exactly how we feel as a team, too.”

    (On him saying the team wouldn’t complain when a missed call benefits his team)

    “We’re not going to complain either way. That happened to end up working to our advantage. We talked about it all the time, ‘It’s got to be that next play mindset mentality.’ That was one that definitely benefitted us. But, there’s a lot of plays in a game and I think it’s good that the competition committee made the effort to be able to try to avoid some of those things happening in the future, and that’s exactly what we all want.”

    (On the emotions surrounding Sunday’s game against New Orleans and if he has experience with more emotionally-filled games)

    “It’s game two. It’s a great team coming in. For us, we play each game as its own entity. This is a great football team – they were the one-seed in the NFC for a reason, had a great win against a really good football team on Monday night where you can see they’re a resilient football team. They’re very well coached, they’ve got great players. It’s going to be a great challenge and we’re excited about it.”

    (On if coaches and players view Sunday’s game differently than fans)

    “I’m not sure. It’s hard to say. I think our players, our coaches know the level of urgency that’s going to be needed for us to be at our best in order to give ourselves a chance to compete and hopefully come out of this thing 2-0.”

    (On if he watched the end of New Orleans’ Week 1 game and if he was surprised with how Saints QB Drew Brees played at the end of the game)

    “I thought it was a really impressive operation. Whether it be (Saints Head) Coach (Sean) Payton managing the clock, (Saints QB) Drew’s (Brees) command, his ability to recognize the structure where No. 2 (Saints receiver) is kind of off and outside and bang it to (Saints WR Ted) Ginn (Jr.) in the slot and be able to get down and be able to use that timeout. It was a really sharp team executing at a high level in a crunch time moment. All you can do is really tip your hat to them and say, ‘That was an impressive operation right there.’”

    (On if he will change the approach during practice this week for RB Todd Gurley II)

    “It’ll be kind of that every other day. We’ll keep a similar deal. He (RB Todd Gurley II) is going to go – he just went in the walk-thru and he’s feeling good. A lot of it is predicated on – if it’s a normal three-day work week, he’ll work two out of those three days. That was kind of the plan that we had going in. Most importantly is how he’s feeling. He’s feeling good, I thought that he got stronger as the game progressed. It’s like anything else – and it’s not exclusive to Todd – really, our team just getting in football shape. Especially when you look at the approach that we took, playing the amount of snaps that we did in the kind of weather. I thought that was a great first opportunity for us to kind of get ourselves in game shape. You can’t ever really recreate those types of situations that occur when you’re playing live football and the guys that we’re counting on playing 65 to 70 snaps. This week’s going to be a great challenge as well.”

    (On what he believes happened with Gurley in the 2018 NFC Championship game)

    “What I remember the most is how much respect I had for the way that he (RB Todd Gurley II) handled it. I think that’s what separates really elite people, is being able to handle adversity and take ownership for it. Know that there’s some things that I could have done better for him, he could have done better overall. I thought he made a key touchdown run in the two-minute situation at the end of the first half. He had some unbelievably timely pick-ups at the end of the game when we’re driving to get into field goal range. What is as impressive as anything is you’re talking about a guy that’s a first team All-Pro, the reigning Offensive Player of the Year the year before, and just says, ‘Hey, I didn’t play up to the level that I expect to. My teammates lifted me up.’ You can’t say anything but, ‘Man, I respect Todd Gurley for the way he handled that.’”

    (On what kind of mindset rookie S Taylor Rapp has brought to the team)

    “I would say he (S Taylor Rapp) is a rookie mature beyond his years, and that was one of the things that we liked so much about him coming out. You could just see the versatility, the instincts, the short-spaced quickness, just the feel for the game that he had with the way that they utilized him at (the University of) Washington. He’s gotten more and more comfortable. He’s a guy that we consistently talked about because he deserved to be talked about based on just getting better every single day. The best way that you could articulate what he is, he’s a rookie that’s not playing like a rookie. He’s a mature player and he’s just a good football player that has a great feel for the game and that you trust in those situations and he delivered in a big way.”

    (On what he sees from Saints RB Alvin Kamara and if previously facing Panthers RB Christian McCaffrey prepares them for facing Kamara)

    “You’re talking about two of the most complete backs in the league (Saints RB Alvin Kamara and Panthers RB Christian McCaffrey). The versatility, what a great job McCaffrey did. You can see – and really, Kamara is the same type of deal. You look at some of the runs that he’s making, you look at the way that he’s able to be a threat out of the backfield. These are, arguably, two of the most complete backs in the NFL. Unbelievable challenge again for us and they (New Orleans) do a great job utilizing him (Kamara) getting him in space. (Saints QB) Drew’s (Brees) is going to find him, they’ve got creative run schemes to get him involved and then they’ll move him all over the formation. It’s like finding ‘Where’s Waldo?’ (Saints Head) Coach (Sean) Payton does an excellent job with that.”

    (On how he defines success against players like Kamara and McCaffrey)

    “That’s a good question. I would answer that differently, based on each play and the situation. I think, ultimately, we want to protect them from scoring points and try to limit the explosives. This is a great football team, a great offense coming in. First-ballot Hall of Fame quarterback – it’s a great system that they run and they’ve elite playmakers. It’s going to be a great challenge. Their operation is as impressive as what you’ll see, too, in terms of the different personnel groupings, the way that they stress you. They understand exactly what they’re doing and that’s why they’ve been at the top of the league, really, since (Saints Head Coach) Sean (Payton) and (Saints QB) Drew (Brees) have been there for the last handful of years.”

    (On how DT Aaron Donald opens up opportunities for other players on the Rams’ defense)

    “Really, you kind of just mentioned it. When somebody’s going to influence and affect that much attention, it’s going to create some solo opportunities. Some of the movements – one of (OLB) Dante’s (Fowler Jr.) sacks came on a two-man game between those two, where (DT) Aaron (Donald) basically occupied the guard and the tackle and did a great job of accelerating underneath and being able to finish that play. Aaron is a special player and I think a lot of his affect on the game might not even be determined based on him getting the sacks and the production, but what he does to make other people’s job a little bit easier and that’s what makes him great.”

    (On Donald being frustrated following the game and if he has to talk to Donald to help him understand his impact on the game)

    “I think he (DT Aaron Donald) is one of the best in the world at what he does. He’s always looking to get better. I think he was pleased with the win. He’s the ultimate team player, he was pleased with the win, but he has a high level of expectation for himself and what he demands of himself snap in and snap out. I think what’s so special about Aaron, is I don’t think anybody has higher expectations for Aaron than Aaron does. I’m never going to pull back on what he’s been doing, especially when it’s always with the right intentions and the right approach, and I think that’s one of the elite traits that he does have.”

    (On what stood out about the offensive drive at the end of the last year’s game against the Saints)

    “It was a bunch of big-time, crunch-time throws. You look at a big-time play by (TE) Gerald Everett, (WR) Josh Reynolds had a couple big catches. I thought (QB) Jared (Goff) did a great job being able to move in the pocket. Had a big third down-and-three conversion to (WR) Robert Woods breaking over the middle. Then, a situation where at the end, they kind of zeroed us. Fortunately, it went incomplete and then (K) Greg’s (Zuerlein) able to come in and knock it through and send it into overtime. It was blur, I remember just from watching the tape. The fans were going crazy, it was an unbelievable atmosphere. It was a great job by our players demonstrating poise in a crunch time moment.”

    (On how hard it is to execute in game situations like last year’s offensive drive at the end of the NFC Championship game)

    “I think it’s really hard. Especially when you’re in the absence of your verbal communication. Everything’s visual right there. All 11 being on the same page, that’s a stressful environment that our players handled really well right there.”

    (On when he talked to the team about the controversy)

    “Right after. You address it. You could ask (CB) Nickell Robey(-Coleman). He knows that was a pass interference. In the moment that was kind of what was officiated and you’ve got to just kind of play those next snaps and there was a lot of snaps after that as well.”

    (On what the point of talking to the players was)

    “It was, ‘Hey, we know exactly what occurred. Fortunately, that worked out for us, but let’s not make any bigger deal than what it is. All we can do is control what we can control and those things are out of our control.’ You don’t run away from the fact that that was a call that did benefit us. You address it and then you keep it moving.”

    (On if he has seen Robey-Coleman improve)

    “He’s always been a good player. That was one of those situations that they quick snapped the rail from the…the backs running a rail or the receivers running a rail route out of the backfield and he was just kind of urgently reacting to the play and kind of collided with him right there. I don’t think he intentionally ran into him before. He’s been a really competitive nickel all along. We want to try to avoid those clear and obvious and the egregious penalties.”

    (On if he thought that Goff’s performance in overtime with directing those drives got a little lost)

    “I do. I agree. I think so. It can’t be understated what a tough atmosphere, what elements that he was dealing with to be able to even be able to get some yards. They’re a really good defense too. For him to make some of the plays, I definitely think was a big-time representation of him and the ability to handle some of those tough moments. All games don’t always go our way, but that was a great example and reflection of a guy that’s mentally tough and did a great job. Without a lot of the plays he makes, we don’t end up winning that game for sure.”

    ***

    Los Angeles Rams QB Jared Goff, September 11 press conference

    (On what he took away from the season opener against Carolina and which aspects of his game he thinks he need to improve moving forward)

    “I’d like to be a little bit better in a lot of different places. I think it was a good start for our team and a good win for us to start off the year. Personally, I could knock some rust off and be a little better than that.”

    (On what he wants to work on when ‘knocking the rust off’)

    “Everything. I think it’s never one thing in particular, it’s always just trying to get better, trying to continue to put the ball in my receivers’ hands and just continue to get better.”

    (On how he has grown since his first meeting against Saints QB Drew Brees)

    “I think I’ve talked about this, but, the first time we played them, you’re kind of in awe of playing (Saints QB) Drew Brees and everything that goes along with it when I was a rookie – how great he is, how great his career has been. I think at this point now, I feel like we’re more peers. I think at the Pro Bowl with him we were able to experience that with him. Me and him have become friends and I’m a big fan of his.”

    (On if he saw the end of the Saints game on Monday)

    “It was great.”

    (If he expected Brees to bring the Saints back down the field to win the game)

    “Yeah. It was a tough situation, but he did it and that’s why he’s so great. They’re never out of it and I think we know that. With him behind center, they’re never out of it. Have to try to score a lot of points to beat them.”

    (On what was going through his head when he took the field before leading the Rams to a game-tying drive in the NFC Championship game)

    “I really wanted to score a touchdown, honestly. I wanted to go down there and punch one in and finish the game down there with less than 30 seconds and not give them much of a chance to get anything back. But, we had to settle with a field goal and (K Greg Zuerlein) hit a long one and the rest is history. Just tried to go out there and execute.”

    (On if he remembers where he was on the sideline when S John Johnson III recorded an interception in the fourth quarter of the NFC Championship game)

    “Yeah, I remember being on the sideline and you feel pretty helpless that you’re kind of at the mercy of whatever they do offensively. But, (I was) so confident in our defense. At that time they had been playing so well in the second half and were kind of so close to a turnover for so long. You kind of felt like, ‘Okay, we might have a chance to get one here.’ Sure enough, the ball went up in the air – and that was a chance – and ‘John-John’ (S John Johnson III) made a play. Again, (K) Greg (Zuerlein) knocks in the field goal and the rest of history.”

    (On what it was like seeing OLB Dante Fowler Jr. hit the quarterback before the interception)

    “It’s great. (OLB) Dante (Fowler Jr.) is a great player for us, was able to get in there and is someone we were happy to add halfway through the year and has made a lot of great plays since he’s been here.”

    (On how the Rams approach the game with the Saints on Sunday)

    “We’re trying to go 2-0. I think that would be their mindset as well. They’re trying to win the game just like we are. There’s nothing that we’re taking from last year as motivation, if they are, great. It’s just another game for us and it’s our home opener after not being at home in a long time. Excited to see our fans, it’ll be a big one and it’ll be a lot of fun.”

    (On if he feels the Rams benefitted from facing Carolina’s zone defense approach in Week 1)

    “I think it was a game that was testing our patience for sure. It was something where they were getting a lot of depth in the secondary and for whatever reason we had a hard time getting over the top. Just had to continue to take the completions underneath. If that’s what is helping us move the offense forward and win the game, I’m all for it and last week it was. Just continue to stay patient and I thought for myself, me and (Rams Head Coach) Sean (McVay) joked about it earlier in the week, but it was a mature game for both him and myself, just taking what they gave us and not getting impatient.”

    (On what makes his receiving core quiet achievers)

    “They are all just extremely hard workers and understand a bigger goal. I think I’m very lucky to have all three, really all four of them and everything that they do. I think it’s a very unique situation where all three of them are unselfish. I’ve never been on a team where is like that. Where one guy goes for 150 (yards) and one guy has one catch, and the one guy with one catch couldn’t care. If we win the game, he doesn’t care at all about the numbers. It’s a very unique situation where I think, all three of them individually, on their own, growing up through football have always been that way and we happened to get them all on the same team. They feed off each other, they work each other, and I think on the practice field you see it every day. I’ve experienced a few different receiver groups, but I can’t imagine another receiver group that works as hard as they do every day.”

    (On if it takes a load off his shoulders as a quarterback when he has receivers that work as hard as they do)

    “I don’t have to push them. I don’t have to say ‘Hey I need you to run harder here. I need you to work harder here.’ There’s never been any of that. It definitely takes a big weight off my shoulders and off the team’s shoulders. I think when you look out and you see them working hard, it brings everyone along. Those guys are three of the silent leaders of the team, I think.”

    (On if he appreciates not having drama with his wide receiver group)

    “Yeah, again, I think I’m just very lucky to be in a unique situation with those three. I try to show my gratefulness every day. I do realize it is rare, very rare to have three guys that, not only work that hard, but are of their talent level and are as selfless as they are. They want to block. They want to win and don’t care about their numbers and they want to other person to succeed. It’s very rare, I’m very lucky.”

    (On what it’s like having WR Cooper Kupp back)

    “He looked great, I thought he did a great job. For me personally, he’s always been a guy I’ve enjoyed throwing to. He looked great and I’m glad he’s back out there.”

    (On if he had anything to say to RB Todd Gurley after last season’s NFC Championship game)

    “Not anything that I wouldn’t normally. It was just very normal. I think I’ve stressed it before, but he’s such a great teammate and great person. He handles everything with such class and the way that you’re supposed to. I couldn’t be more proud of him for the way he’s handled everything over the last year. I’m glad he came out and did his thing the other day. I expect the same moving forward, I know he does too. I think he feels pretty good.”

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    Andy Benoit@Andy_Benoit
    #LARams Film: @dantefowler against Carolina looked the best he has ever looked rushing off the edge. Diverse athleticism.

    Vincent Bonsignore@VinnyBonsignore
    Jared Goff when I asked about the underneath zone beating throws against #Panthers with them taking the deep stuff away: “me and Sean joked about it earlier in the week, but it was a mature game for both him and myself, just taking what they gave us and not getting impatient.”

    The #Rams made a point of emphasis last offseason to come up with answers against that type of zone coverage. Jared said it takes discipline, but: “If that’s what is helping us move the offense forward and win the game, I’m all for it and last week it was.”

    Gary Klein@LATimesklein
    Cornerback Aqib Talib said Rams defensive backs watched together Monday night as Saints quarterback Drew Brees led his team to a last-second victory over the Houston Texans.

    After the Texans scored with 37 seconds left, Talib said safety Eric Weddle pointed at the television and said “Too…much…time!” Talib agreed.

    Football Perspective@fbgchase
    There were 3 teams who had a 120-yard rusher in week one. Those teams went 0-3.

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    Wildflecken

    1.) Uncharacteristic special teams gaffes made contest too close for comfort. Rams have benefitted from stellar teams play last two seasons. I expect Bones to get his squads up to par quickly.

    2.) Make no mistake, McVay has set his sights on winning a title. Love his approach with the running attack and firmly believe come December Rams will have one of the most feared running attacks in entire league.

    Todd Gurley remains the best running back in entire league but incorporating Malcolm Brown and Henderson into the running attack weekly presents opposing defenses with an enormous challenge before Jared Goff unleashes one ball through the air. I have been posting and patiently awaiting the Rams to unleash the beast that is Malcolm Brown for the last two seasons. This season Brown becomes a household name nationally. Come December fans of this organization are going to have a lot of fun watching this running attack operating on all cylinders.

    3.) The offensive line passed its first test of the season. The real test lies ahead however when teams have film. My take, this line will be the best run blocking offensive line Rams have had during the Sean McVay era.

    4.) How can one not be excited about the potential of this defense? They have the talent to exploit teams doubling Donald weekly and can create pressure from any spot of the field.

    Thought Fowler would benefit greatly by attending Wade’s camp. He is athletically nearly as impressive as Donald, now if he improves his consistency since entering league, Rams have another pro bowler this season.

    Wade has a lot of options this season to dial up the pressure weekly and what is shaping up to be a lockdown back end certainly will assist the effort weekly

    5.) Was anyone else impressed with Higbee’s performance?

    6.) Cooper Kupp, enough said.

    Tough test ahead next week with the Saints coming to town wanting revenge. Going to be a war and Sunday cannot come early enough

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    McVay, Shanahan, LaFleur on QBs, playbooks, learning in D.C.

    John Keim
    ESPN

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27447121/mcvay-shanahan-lafleur-qbs-playbooks-learning-dc

    When Kyle Shanahan became the Washington Redskins’ offensive coordinator in 2010 under his father, Mike, he brought in young offensive minds Sean McVay and Matt LaFleur. Now that all three are NFL head coaches, the former Redskins assistants will have a big say in who wins the NFC.

    Shanahan, now the San Francisco 49ers coach, might have provided key breaks for his former colleagues, but it’s McVay who has accomplished the most thus far. The Los Angeles Rams coach has 24 regular-season wins, two postseason appearances and a Super Bowl trip in two seasons. LaFleur got his big break this offseason when he was named coach of the Green Bay Packers.

    Intrigue surrounds all three this season: McVay, 33, is coming off a Super Bowl appearance; Shanahan, 39, hopes to get a full season with quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo; and LaFleur, 39, will be working with 35-year-old quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

    Here’s what they had to say on a variety of topics, including their start in Washington:

    Together in Washington

    Could you tell you had a special group in Washington?

    Shanahan: Definitely. We were all young, but we kept up with each other. We were all eager. We weren’t just studying what we were doing — our own plays — we were always trying to push the envelope and do different things and challenge each other. I would get so frustrated when everyone acted like I brought my friends here. It drove me crazy. These are all guys who got jobs and were really good. That’s why my dad and I needed them.

    McVay: The biggest thing I knew right away is that you could see coach [Mike] Shanahan had so much experience, and his record and what he had done spoke for itself. Then you’re around Kyle and realize the next-level knowledge, the way he’s looking at the game in a very sophisticated way. He’s not seeing 11 pieces move, he’s seeing all 22 and understanding the intricacies of what they’re all doing. In a good way it pushes you. I was pretty green at the time and had a long way to go to be at their level.

    Did you ever envision all three of you being head coaches?

    LaFleur: No. I was just trying to be the best quarterback coach I could be. We had some really good coaches on the staff, not only Kyle but his dad taught me so much in terms of defensive football. In order to be the best coach, you have to learn both sides of the ball.

    McVay: I don’t know if you ever look at it like that. I was a quality control coach. If you said, “Would you ever want to be a head coach?” I’d say sure. But you try to produce in the present. But if you said, “Would it shock you if Kyle and Matt are head coaches?” No. Kyle was always on a fast track and the more you’re around Matt, you realize what a great coach he was.

    Working with the Redskins taught me _____ .

    Shanahan: This league is very tough. It doesn’t matter how good you think you are, you have to go through these situations. Things don’t always work out. You need to realize all you can do is do as good as you can. You can’t have your self-worth built in with this. People will judge you left and right. You have to be confident in yourself. Things were so easy for me in Houston. Then I went to Washington and was thinking it would be the same way and you have to do things totally different and fight some extreme uphill battles. [The Redskins went 24-40 and 0-1 in the playoffs during Shanahan’s four seasons.] It was all very hard and at times you don’t think it’s worth it. But man, Washington helped me become who I am.

    McVay: There are so many different things you learn; it’s really a way of doing things weekly — how you study tape, how you put together a game plan, how you have philosophies and have flexibility knowing it’s about your players. I’m so lucky in a short amount of time to be around great coaches you can emulate. I don’t think you realize you’re picking it up until you see how you game plan and see what they’re looking at and what are their core beliefs that show up Sundays when you’re in crunch situations.

    Dealing with QBs

    With QBs, what is your deal-breaker — the trait you can’t tolerate?

    Shanahan: If a guy is scared to get hit, he has no chance to play in this league. You have to use your brain, and there’s so much going on in the heat of battle, your mind has to be so clear when the ball is snapped, to understand coverages and throw the ball in tight windows to get the ball to the right spots.

    LaFleur: I look for natural throwers, just smooth, fluid deliveries. The greatest throwers of all time all do it in their own way. There’s a natural throwing ability among most of the greatest ever to play the position — the [Tom] Bradys, the Rodgerses. That’s one thing when I start evaluating college quarterbacks coming out, I look and see if they have a natural throwing motion. If they don’t, I lose interest pretty quickly.

    McVay: The biggest thing is consistent accuracy. I’m looking for accuracy, timing and location and give guys a chance to run after the catch and being able to change arm angles. That’s No. 1.

    The most difficult thing to get rookie QBs to learn is _____ .

    Shanahan: How to play in the pocket, especially for guys now. A lot of guys don’t hold on to the ball long in college. You don’t do as much play-action, especially in the spread systems, and the defensive lines don’t even rush except at a few of these big schools because they’re so tired and there are so many plays.

    McVay: The intricacies of what a defense could present and how it affects decision-making based on situations. The game has so many. A game usually has 65 to 75 snaps and the amount of different things based on the situation and the defensive coordinator is a lot of information.

    LaFleur: You get in this league and now you have to step in the huddle and depending on the system, the playcalls can get verbose. That challenge of trying to teach them the command that needs to happen within the huddle and being a master of cadence. A lot now use silent counts or claps when they want the football. We always talk about this, that the cadence for an offense is a weapon. It’s an art and it’s an art you learn over time. How do you become a master of a cadence?

    The most important aspect of a QB/coach relationship is _____ .

    LaFleur: Communication. What do you like? What do you feel comfortable with and what don’t you like? This is the toughest position in sports so the guy better be comfortable pulling the trigger. If you’re not comfortable, you won’t be confident, and if you’re not confident, the play will die.

    Trends, screwups and adding plays…What trends are coming on offense?

    McVay: Motion has always been a core part of the offense. There have been increases in the use of jet-fly motion. The biggest thing we saw a change in was the increase and utilization of the fake jet or jet sweep motion.

    Shanahan: The jet sweep and fake jet is what changed so much the last couple years to where people are doing a ridiculous amount of that in particular. That’s making it hard on defenses. If you’re in a 3 [WR] by 1 [RB] set and you do jet and now it’s really a 2 by 2. So it’s the amount of different calls on a defense … it really messes up a lot of rules. That, to me, makes the defense have to simplify more, which [they] don’t want to do because then an offense knows too much of what they’re doing.

    Five years from now, NFL offenses will all have ____ in common

    McVay: The league goes in trends and I don’t think five years ago I would have been able to tell you fly motion would be a big part of the league and the zone-read in 2012. … But fundamentally in this league it’s about running the ball well, being able to protect up front and spacing and timing and rhythm in the pass game.

    What’s your process for adding to your playbook?

    Shanahan: It’s funny how guys look at that because everyone pictures it’s like “Waterboy,” like we’re carrying around this yellow notebook with all our secret plays drawn up on it. There are only so many ways you can move five eligibles and there are only so many coverages, whether it’s zone or man. How many ways do you want to disperse the field? I rarely think there’s some new thing. You don’t want to just be that person that wakes up on Monday and watches everyone else’s offense and then comes in to the players and says, “I have these 80 plays that are awesome. Let’s run them!” It’s how does it fit into your team and what are you trying to do? Does this play set up another play? That to me is everything I do.

    McVay: A lot of plays we run are the product of what someone else did and we maybe put our own flavor on it. We see a lot of the same stuff show up week in, week out. We’ll watch a lot of other teams that are having success. If they’re doing something that works, you’re not afraid to steal a good idea. Off the top of my head, the teams that consistently operate at a high level the last couple years you look at are the Chiefs, the Saints, the Patriots.

    The time I screwed up the most calling plays, I learned _____ .

    Shanahan: The first playcall I made for Rex Grossman when we benched Donovan [McNabb] in Detroit [in 2010]. We were getting frustrated not moving the ball and Rex’s first play I called a seven-step drop. We made an aggressive decision and the first play I called is such an aggressive play. I forgot who it was, but the defensive end beat our tackle and stripped him and they got a fumble for a touchdown and it was like, “Holy crap, did that end fast.” I should have called a screen to start. I should have been more patient.

    LaFleur: Last year [at] Buffalo we went into that game … with almost a play-not-to-lose mentality. The Bills’ defense doesn’t get enough recognition; they’re much better than I thought. Extremely sound. My mindset is: How do we win as a team. Sometimes you know you have to score a bunch of points. Sometimes it’s, “Hey, if we take care of the ball, I like our chances.” That was one of those games for me. They had a rookie quarterback [Josh Allen]. We went in with the mindset of, “Let’s not turn it over.” We turned it over three times. [But] you don’t get explosive plays unless you call shot plays. If you don’t call them, you probably won’t get them. You’ve still got to be aggressive.

    McVay: I remember the first year calling the plays when we played the Jets and we fell behind and I didn’t have a great plan for a lot of the known passing situations, mixing up concepts. I felt I was calling the same thing and you become predictable.

    The craziest place/time where I thought of a play

    McVay: Sometimes the best ideas come to you when you’re driving, when you’re not pressing as hard. Sometimes you’re reaching so hard for an idea that it doesn’t come organically. Or sometimes you get these crazy ideas when you’re delirious, too. I’ve had some really dumb ideas late at night throwing s— off the wall and seeing what sticks. This past year we came up with the crazy reverse action that Josh Reynolds had a 19-yard run [on] in the NFC Championship Game. We used it at a big moment. That came late at night when you’re throwing s— off the wall. That’s one idea that actually [worked].

    Adversaries, mentors and peers

    Which coach’s defense is the toughest to read and attack?

    LaFleur: There are so many guys and every system is different, but I look at Vic Fangio. Just the fronts and the multiple looks you get from him. That’s incredibly difficult. Shoot, Indianapolis last year we knew exactly what they were going to do to us and we didn’t have a lot of success because they were so sound. They stuffed the run out of a two-safety defense and played extremely fast.

    Shanahan: My hardest has probably always been Vic Fangio. He does so many things with his personnel groupings that he puts you in a bind with protections. He ties a lot of stuff together. Playing against him, I feel he packages stuff very similar to how I would think. [Bill] Belichick is very similar. They do it in a different style. You know they don’t just run their defenses. They figure out what you’re doing and then they think about how to stop what you’re doing and that’s very similar to how I am. I don’t just run my offense. I have no idea what I’m going to call until I know what defense I’m visualizing and trying to attack. It’s fun.

    McVay: For us, I think Fangio and the Bears did an outstanding job of a sound scheme with versatility mixed with great players. And clearly what New England did down the stretch was impressive. Those are the two defenses that gave us the most trouble. I thought the Saints were excellent as well.

    The person I go to for advice or use as a sounding board is ____ .

    Shanahan: My dad. He’s the guy I talk to for advice, but it’s also the people I work with. Those are the guys I bounce everything off of all the time. Matt LaFleur for the longest time. Sean McVay when we were in Washington. Mike McDaniel has been with me the longest and the guy I probably bounce the most stuff off. The line coaches you work with. Chris Foerster is a guy I always respected for his football knowledge. But it’s always my dad.

    LaFleur: I still use the guys I’m closest with — Sean and Kyle, Zac Taylor. I’m always talking to guys on my staff, Nathaniel Hackett and Mike Pettine, who sat in this seat. But there’s really no former coach. I will say it was great this summer because I worked a camp in California and I ran into Mike Shanahan and I was peppering him with questions all night long.

    McVay: Usually it’s relevant who the opponent is. I’d share more with Kyle if we didn’t play them twice a year. Dick Vermeil has been a great mentor and resource for me. The coolest thing about being a head coach is the platform it provides to meet unique people. I’ve gotten to know Doc Rivers a little bit. Being in L.A., you meet guys like Al Michaels; he’s so impressive. You get a chance to meet people who can help you in a leadership role. With Doc, we naturally crossed paths because we’d be at the same restaurants and we connected a little. He’s an impressive guy. I’ve had a chance to connect to a few NBA coaches. What I learned is the same things I learn from any great coach: It’s always about relationships and how you manage personalities and how you handle adversity and what are your core principles.

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    A rookie linebacker moved outside, and perhaps up the Rams’ depth chart, in Hawaii

    By Vincent Bonsignore

    https://theathletic.com/1144990/2019/08/18/a-rookie-linebacker-moved-outside-and-perhaps-up-the-rams-depth-chart-in-hawaii/?=twittered

    HONOLULU — Life moves pretty fast in the NFL, and it’s never been known to sit around and wait on anyone. You either maintain pace or you get lapped. Adapt or get shown the door.

    It’s not a particularly forgiving or understanding system.

    So when Rams coaches approached rookie undrafted free agent Natrez Patrick recently about moving from inside linebacker to outside linebacker, he instinctively knew it wasn’t really a request; it was an iron-clad decision. They weren’t asking him. They were pretty much telling him.

    “I was willing to do whatever they asked me to do,” Patrick said Saturday after a solid all-around performance in the Rams’ 14-10 loss to the Dallas Cowboys at Aloha Stadium, a game in which he recorded three tackles and combined on a sack.

    Injuries to backup candidates Justin Lawler and Trevon Young, and Ogbonnia Okoronkwo’s nagging hamstring injury, depleted some of the depth at edge rusher. With the Rams intent on resting their key defensive players in the preseason and on the lookout for reserve help, they decided to slide Patrick to the outside.

    Of course, they gave him the respect of sitting him down and talking it over. Not that he really needed to be convinced that it was in his best interest to accept the assignment. As a young player trying to work his way up from the bottom of the roster, just trying to get noticed enough to force the decision-makers to think long and hard about keeping him around when cut-down day arrives, he understood his lack of leverage.

    So it didn’t take long, once the coaches described the plan, before Patrick had a simple response: “I’m in,” he basically told them.

    Saturday’s game marked the second consecutive week the Rams’ young linebacker has made his presence felt in a preseason game, after last week’s four-tackle game against the Oakland Raiders. Only this time, he did the bulk of his damage at a new position, having made the move to start at outside linebacker on Saturday.

    Patrick is new to the position, but he looked comfortable creating pressure off the edge, dropping back in pass coverage and nimbly getting around the field in run support.

    “Natrez has done a nice job,” Rams coach Sean McVay said. “Really, we just transitioned him to outside linebacker a couple of weeks ago almost by necessity, as a result of Justin Lawler’s injury and ‘T-Young’ being banged up. He’s really done a good job. I think (outside linebackers coach) Chris Shula’s been outstanding, in terms of helping him develop and progress quickly.”

    Said Patrick: “They just came and told me the plan and honestly, I just handled it and adapted. … You have to be adaptable at this level. And I just rolled with it.”

    Based purely on skill — it’s been obvious, watching him in games and in practice, that he has a great feel for the game and an instinctive and explosive element in how he reads situations and accelerates to action — Patrick probably should have heard his name called during the draft last April.

    But issues off the field — mostly self-inflicted — pretty much guaranteed Patrick would have to fight his way onto a roster as a free agent. A former highly ranked recruit out of Atlanta, Patrick chose Georgia over scholarship offers from Alabama, Clemson, Auburn and Florida. It was a pretty exclusive list, and it speaks to his level of talent.

    He backed that up by earning a starting role as a freshman, and at that point it looked like he was on his way.

    But three arrests for marijuana possession over the next three years and a failed drug test while on probation resulted in a stint in rehab and in Patrick having to watch Georgia play in the national championship game in Jan. 2018 from the sideline.

    What it didn’t mean, thankfully for him, was expulsion from the football team. Georgia coach Kirby Smart never gave up hope that Patrick could find the necessary help and balance to keep his life in order, so rather than kick him out of the program he threw him a life preserver.

    Patrick returned as a senior for the 2018 season as a leader and a productive player, and while he recorded 44 tackles (including 4.5 for loss), that wasn’t enough for the NFL to invest a draft pick in him. He’d get his chance, for sure, but he’d have to do it the hard way.

    Patrick completely understood. The draft came and went without his name being called. And he never once felt sorry for himself.

    Quite the opposite.

    “For me, given everything I’ve been through, it was a blessing just to still be in that conversation,” Patrick said. “So there was no disappointment. In fact, I just feel blessed.”

    Two weeks into the preseason, Patrick has seized the opportunity. McVay puts a lot of emphasis on game tape, believing there are certain aspects of football that simply can not be simulated. And he’s using these preseason games to monitor who can translate practice work into game production. Those who do begin to separate themselves from the pack.

    Patrick is doing just that. And now that he’s shown he can play inside and outside, he’s forced his way into a possible roster spot.

    That’s an incredible amount of progress for someone who was in a treatment center less than two years ago, wondering what his college football future held.

    “It’s a great feeling just to come in here, undrafted as I was, and have this opportunity,” Patrick said. “I’m just trying to take advantage of every opportunity I get. So it’s a great feeling to be able to put good things on film.”

    ‘Obo’ on the field

    Rams outside linebacker Ogbonnia Okoronkwo hadn’t played a game since Jan. 1, 2018, in the Rose Bowl for the Oklahoma Sooners.

    Things got pretty weird after that for the Rams’ 2018 fifth-round pick. A broken foot in OTAs cost him all of his rookie year and a nagging quad injury has limited him during training camp this year and kept him out of last week’s preseason opener.

    In fact, counting last year’s games and this preseason, 24 Rams games passed with Okoronkwo watching from the sidelines. It was highly frustrating for Okoronkwo and the Rams and even their fans, who were eager to see what the athletic edge rusher could bring to the table.

    His day finally arrived Saturday, and he didn’t disappoint.

    It was only the preseason, but Okoronkwo displayed explosion and pass-rush ability in his first action with the Rams. He got pressure on the quarterback — and even drew a holding call — showed skill in some stunt calls and even got his hand up to knock down a pass at the line of scrimmage.

    It was pretty much everything he and the Rams could have expected after a long absence.

    “It felt amazing,” Okoronkwo said afterward. “It’s been a long time coming…just had some bad luck with injuries but so thankful to (trainer) Reggie (Scott) and the rest of the training staff. They do such a great job. They were patient with me. The coaches kept telling me to keep my spirits up. We have a great support system here. It’s a family here and they just kept me into it and every day I just kept on doing what I had to be doing. And I finally got a chance. I had a lot of fun.”

    Said McVay: “You see some of the flashes of why we liked him so much, why he was such a productive player at Oklahoma. He drew a couple of holdings tonight and made his presence felt.”

    It was a stepping stone for Okoronkwo, who is trying to create a role for himself as a situational pass rusher. The Rams’ starting outside linebacker rotation consists of Dante Fowler Jr., Clay Matthews and Samson Ebukam, but there are supporting roles to be earned.

    Okoronkwo, with his ability to potentially bring heat, certainly can create a niche for himself with some more solid outings.

    “I’m just grateful to be sitting here today,” he said. “I felt good. It was fun. It was fast, it’s been a while. But I had a ton of fun. It was cool getting back up to speed with everything. And all my teammates were happy with everything, kept my spirits up, encouraging me. Today was great.”

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    Big praise for CB Darious Williams

    MCVAY: I thought (DB) Darious Williams showed up in a lot of ways as well. … Darious, going back to even last year with some of the looks on the scout team, you could really feel what a talented player he is. Now that he’s able to have some continuity in the system, really learn some of the intricacies of what (Cornerbacks) Coach (Aubrey) Pleasant and (Safeties) Coach (Ejiro) Evero are coaching in that room and being able to learn from the vets, I think his play and his confidence have really shown up.

    Darious Williams | CB | UAB
    Height | 5-10
    Weight | 180

    A former walk-on for the briefly disbanded Blazers, Williams has developed into a legitimate NFL prospect, and one of this year’s more underrated corners. Though he lacks ideal size for a pro cover man, Williams plays with the confidence and physicality of a much bigger defender.

    One of the nation’s most productive corners in 2017, Williams picked off five passes and broke up 19 more during his senior campaign, proving his instincts, ball skills and technique overshadow his smaller frame. His size may limit him to slot work at the next level, but he has all the tools to be a quality starter there, and a solid value in the later rounds of a deep class.

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    DARIOUS WILLIAMS SCOUTING REPORT
    April 13, 2018

    DARIOUS WILLIAMS | CB | ALABAMA-BIRMINGHAM

    Height: 5095 | Weight: 184 | 40 Time: 4.44 | 10-Split: 1.52 | Bench: 13 | 3Cone: 6.85 | Broad: 122″ | Vertical: 39″

    Darious Williams is a fifth-year Senior who has started 19 of 24 games at Left Cornerback for the Blazers. After the UAB football program disbanded after 2014, Williams had offers from Troy, Southern Miss, and South Alabama, but opted to stay at UAB, so he has not played collegiate football since his Freshman year season, making him a bit of a unique case. Despite a two-year hiatus, all Williams did this year was lead Conference USA with 15 pass deflections and lead the NCAA with a four-game interception streak. The Jacksonville, FL native was named to PFF’s First-Team All-American team and was also selected First-Team All-Conference USA. Per PFF, Williams’ 36.0% catch rate allowed ranks fifth-lowest among 2018 NFL Draft CBs.

    Williams lacks prototypical height and boasts cut, developed biceps with good functional strength for his size. Williams flashes terrific foot speed, mirroring ability, and is an explosive leaper that allows him to levitate and make plays on the football at the catch point. Williams lit up his Pro Day, posting the 9th best 40 time, 2nd best vertical, and 10th best three cone of 2018 CBs.

    In Press, Williams will try to punch WRs off their route stem and quickly flips his hips to turn and run in-phase, mitigating separation off the release. In Man coverage, Williams does a good job of positioning himself to take away the deep play over the top and understands the nuances of the position in terms of recognizing when to play the ball and when to play the man. Williams is capable of locating the football in flight and if he knows he cannot adjust his position to get his body in between the ball and the Receiver, he will watch the WR’s hands and swipe it out with terrific timing. Williams demonstrates outstanding ball skills and his production matches the film, registering 5 INTs and returning one for a TD in 2017. In run support, Williams is a feisty player who likes to attack up field and make plays at or behind the LOS. Williams is patient in the open field and does well to mirror shiftier, dynamic runners in open space and wrap up low.

    UAB Head Coach Bill Clark has stated that Williams “a smart, good person, good player, really intelligent player,” adding that the light came on with a new physicality to his game early this season. Williams compares in body type and play style to E.J. Gaines and while his 2017 tape certainly warrants him being a high day three draft pick in my opinion, teams may not trust him and view Williams as a one-year wonder, potentially dropping him down to a late rounder/PFA prospect.

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    How the Rams’ cornerback depth could create difficult roster decisions

    Vincent Bonsignore

    https://theathletic.com/1139238/2019/08/14/difficult-choices-how-could-the-rams-cornerback-depth-chart-play-out-before-the-season/?=twittered

    HONOLULU – With more than two weeks of training camp in the books, it’s becoming clearer by the day the Rams have created some enviable depth at cornerback.

    In fact, with Kevin Peterson returning from a knee injury, adding David Long in the third round of the draft, retaining Troy Hill on a two-year deal and the improvements of Donte Deayon, Darious Williams, Dominique Hatfield and Ramon Richards, the Rams’ cornerback population has taken a decided leap forward.

    And that doesn’t take into account starters Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib and valuable slot corner Nickell Robey-Coleman.

    It’s a crowded room, to say the least. And with four roster spots essentially already accounted for with Peters, Talib, Robey-Coleman and Hill, it creates a major battle among the remaining candidates to win jobs on the 53-man roster.

    “I think it’s a positive problem for us with the depth that we do have,” Rams coach Sean McVay said.

    Complicating matters, somewhat, is the long-term status of Peters and Talib, as each is entering the last year of his contracts. Knowing there is a possibility they might lose one or both of their current starting cornerbacks, would the Rams keep an extra cornerback this year (compared to past seasons) in order to preserve control of a player they believe can help them down the line?

    Recent history suggests Rams general manager Les Snead will keep the big picture in mind when constructing his roster. If he deems one of the young cornerbacks worthy of future consideration, don’t be surprised if he finds the necessary room even if the chances of playing time this year are slim.

    In the Rams’ perfect world, they win the Super Bowl and bring back the majority of this year’s roster – Peters and Talib included. But that’s a lot of cards to perfectly turn over between now and next March. Given the harsh salary-cap restrictions, contract expectations and competing with 31 other teams on the open market, that doesn’t appear feasible.

    No matter what happens on the field this year, chances are the Rams might need to replace one or two starting cornerbacks next season.

    Whether that reality plays into the roster decisions they make over the next three weeks remains to be seen. For now, they welcome the difficult choices they’ll have to make, as they speak to the overall depth they’ve created.

    Here is a closer look at that position, and the players involved.

    The Locks
    Marcus Peters

    It was obvious from the start of training camp that Peters was prepared to continue the strides he made over the second half of last season, which put him in position to earn a long-term contract. He reported to camp in astounding shape and has played fast, smart and effectively throughout.

    It was a weird first year for Peters in 2018, especially during his well-chronicled struggles over the first half of the season. What stood out, though, was his accountability. He never blamed a calf injury he suffered in Week 3 or the fact that the Rams essentially were misusing him for the struggles he incurred.

    “I said during the season, I put him in situations we shouldn’t have,” Rams defensive coordinator Wade Phillips said.

    As the year progressed, the injury healed and Phillips began utilizing Peters in more zone coverage looks. That allowed Peters to keep the play in front of him, enabling him to use the watchful eye he keeps on the quarterback, rather than losing sight by having to turn and run with receivers. Because of this, Peters became a much more dependable player.

    “Now, we got him playing with more help in some situations, so he can take more chances,” is how Phillips explained it. “He knows when to and when not to”

    It’s carried over into camp.

    “He’s been locked in, he’s been engaged,” McVay said.

    Peters is set up for a big year as a result. The question becomes: if he continues the upward trend as expected, what will that mean for the Rams in terms of bringing him back on a long-term deal?

    Aqib Talib

    Talib suffered an ankle injury in Week 3 that cost him eight weeks of last season, but when he was healthy he showed no signs of slowing down, and at 33 he still looks like he has a handful of good years ahead of him.

    “Aqib Talib has been outstanding thus far,” McVay said.

    Talib should continue to be a major asset for the Rams. But the salary cap eventually will rear its ugly head, and with difficult decision coming up and star players who need to be re-signed, It’s just hard to envision him sticking around beyond this season.

    Nickell Robey-Coleman

    Robey-Coleman has quietly and steadily become a valuable piece for the Rams as a slot cornerback in nickel and dime packages, and as last year showed, as he enters the prime of his career he’s playing as well as he ever has. He is under contract through the 2020 season.

    Troy Hill

    Hill sometimes gets a bad rap from internet folks – mostly on social media – who fret over his occasional mistake. Hill certainly is not a Pro Bowl-caliber player, but he’s added great value over the years as a dependable reserve who, when called upon, can hold down the fort as a starter. When you’re talking about the fourth guy on the pecking order, that’s exactly what you need.

    The Rams understood, which is why they rewarded him with a new contract.

    It isn’t easy being an NFL cornerback – and Hill has had his rough moments – but on balance he’s been much more of an asset to the Rams than a liability. He’s also a very good special-teams player, and that’s important.

    The rookie
    David Long

    The Rams drafted Long in the third round out of Michigan last April and the profile he brings, as a rugged man-to-man cover corner, fits perfectly in Phillips’ 3-4 scheme. That said, it’s a major transition going from the Big Ten to the NFL, and Long is presently dealing with that learning curve.

    Nothing has happened in camp or the first preseason game to suggest Long won’t eventually complete the process and develop into a productive player, and history has shown the light can completely turn on at any moment. Long has all the physical skills necessary to be a quality cornerback, and his roster spot is essentially set given the draft investment in him. As far as regular-season playing time goes, Long likely faces a bit of a climb given the talent in front of him and the improvements of some veterans. The Rams will be patient with him, as the upside absolutely is there.

    Making a move
    Darious Williams

    Every time you look up at training camp, it seems Williams is doing something positive. Of all the Rams’ young cornerbacks, he’s probably been the steadiest player thus far and, as a result, the biggest surprise.

    The Rams claimed Williams off waivers from the Baltimore Ravens last October and he played in one game. With little opportunity to show what he could do on the field, Williams made the Rams take notice during practice as a scout-team standout.

    “You could really feel what a talented player he is,” McVay said.

    That’s carried over in training camp.

    Said McVay: “Now that he’s able to have some continuity in the system, really learn some of the intricacies of what (cornerbacks) coach (Aubrey) Pleasant and (safeties) coach (Ejiro) Evero are coaching in that room and being able to learn from the vets, I think his play and his confidence have really shown up.”

    There is no doubt Williams is putting himself in a great position to earn a job.

    Kevin Peterson

    A knee injury during the preseason last year cost Peterson all of 2018, which is unfortunate because he was pushing hard for a roster spot. He’s returned completely healthy and, like Williams, has really opened eyes thus far, including the interception he came up with during the preseason opener against the Oakland Raiders. The position is loaded, but Peterson is again making a strong case for himself.

    Where does that leave …
    Donte Deayon, Dominique Hatfield and Ramon Richards

    Deayon’s ability to play slot corner and traditional corner could help his chances, as versatility becomes paramount at this level of the depth chart. Hatfield is primarily a slot corner, and with no clear-cut backup for Robey-Coleman he remains under strong consideration. But other players have certainly stepped up, and that could cost him. Richards, who spent all of last season on the practice squad, is an intriguing prospect but on this team he could get squeezed out

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    But like the Rams, the Memphis offense subsisted on a heavy dose of outside zone runs, which asked backs to run off tackle while patiently reading the defense before cutting upfield.

    Matt Waldman actually responds to that statement:

    Matt Waldman@MattWaldman
    The context that data like this fails to provide is the vital qualitative analysis that examines what is pro-level pacing and execution on these plays vs what’s simply being more athletic and getting away with behavior not optimal to running that scheme in the NFL.

    Coleman was inconsistent enough with OZ as a rookie, Kyle Shanahan actually installed gap plays for him, which doesn’t require the diagnosis and footwork of zone. It took him a couple of years to get it down.

    At first, folks cited Coleman’s ISU scheme as a 1:1 fit with Atlanta but didn’t realize that high production in a scheme in college doesn’t always translate to NFL because the back can actually need work on the nuance of the scheme but win elite athletic skill. Where we are w/DH.

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    henderson’s coaches said he ran outside zone.

    From the OC Register article:

    But like the Rams, the Memphis offense subsisted on a heavy dose of outside zone runs, which asked backs to run off tackle while patiently reading the defense before cutting upfield.

    The Rams ran more outside zone than any other team in the NFL last season. That scheme can be a difficult adjustment for some backs, but for the 5-foot-8 Henderson, it shouldn’t be an adjustment at all. Over the past two seasons, according to Pro Football Focus, he led all of college football with a staggering 10.7 yards per carry on such runs. Highlight reels offer endless examples of how Henderson’s extraordinary vision could translate to an NFL zone blocking scheme.

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    In reply to: tweets … 8/11 & 8/12

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    Darrell Henderson has admitted difficulty adapting to a zone heavy Rams’ scheme after running mostly gap runs at Memphis. Zone runs rely on vision, processing & patient, controlled footwork to access whichever hole pops open. Pre-Week 1 showed DH has much work to do.

    i thought he ran in a zone scheme in college?

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    What a Pediatrician Saw Inside a Border Patrol Warehouse
    Dolly Lucio Sevier evaluated dozens of sick children at a facility in South Texas. She found evidence of infection, malnutrition, and psychological trauma.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/border-patrols-oversight-sick-migrant-children/593224/?utm_content=edit-promo&utm_medium=social&utm_term=2019-07-03T16%3A52%3A36&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0Zp9fYbMKIzVdSX9r8jJz92WDnj1AiTohHYzZQML-9bhD8pqTXiITgd4k

    MCALLEN, Texas—Inside the Border Patrol warehouse on Ursula Avenue, Dolly Lucio Sevier saw a baby who’d been fed from the same unwashed bottle for days; children showing signs of malnutrition and dehydration; and several kids who, in her medical opinion, were exhibiting clear evidence of psychological trauma. More than 1,000 migrant children sat in the detention facility here, and Sevier, a local pediatrician, had been examining as many as she could, one at a time. But she wasn’t permitted to enter the area where they were being held, many of them in cages, and find the sickest kids to examine. Instead, in a nearby room, she manually reviewed a 50-page printout of that day’s detainees, and highlighted the names of children with a 2019 birth date—the babies—before moving on to the toddlers.

    When it was almost time to leave, Sevier asked to see a 3-year-old girl, and then two other children. But by that point, the friendly and accommodating Border Patrol agent assisting her earlier in the day had been replaced by a dour guard, wearing a surgical mask, who claimed that he couldn’t find the toddler. “We can wait,” Sevier said, as she recalled to me in an interview. Her tone was polite but firm; she knew that she had the right under a federal court settlement to examine whomever she liked.

    “She’s having a bath,” Sevier recalled the guard as saying, a luxury one official told her is available only to babies removed from their guardians. In the facility’s standard cages, there is no soap or showering for the kids. Though 72 hours is the longest a minor can be legally confined in such a facility, some had been there almost a month. Sevier waited.

    Finally, the guard returned with news. He had found the girls after all. “We located the bodies,” he said, in paramilitary slang. “I’ll bring them right in.”

    Ivisited sevier’s medical practice last week in the border town of Brownsville, Texas, 60 miles from the Ursula facility, where she’d been a few days before. In mid-June, a team of immigration attorneys had asked Sevier to come with them to their next appointment in Ursula, after they’d had an alarming visit there earlier in the month. They wanted a doctor to evaluate the children and then use the findings to force the government to improve conditions in Texas immigration facilities. It wasn’t the kind of work Sevier usually does.

    Sevier grew up in Brownsville, and to Rio Grande Valley kids like her, then as now, the border was not a crisis but a culture. Sevier went to nearby Matamoros, Mexico, for dinner, dentist appointments, weddings, and baptisms. Each year on All Saints’ Day, she scrubbed relatives’ tombstones in Matamoros with soap and water, then shot BB guns with her cousins at the cemetery. She had American classmates who lived in Mexico and commuted to school over the international bridge.

    She left the area for college and medical school. From afar, she told me, she began to understand that she had grown up in one of the poorest places in the United States, where low-quality, high-calorie food leaves kids both hungry and obese. Diabetes is widespread, and because access to health care is so limited, diabetic amputations are far more common than in the rest of the country. She thought that here was a place in need of a doctor like the one she was becoming. So after she completed her pediatric residency at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, in Dallas, five years ago, she returned home.

    The morning I visited, Sevier’s pediatric clinic was bustling. A mural with characters from the Disney movie Inside Out, about the emotional lives of children, brightened the hallway. For Sevier, the role of a pediatrician includes “being the voice for the kid, the advocate.” In some families, she explained, children’s experiences “are just not valued.” A child who is overweight or has a preteen crush may be the subject of ridicule, not attention and understanding. “I get to chip away at that in my office,” Sevier told me.

    She tried to take this same approach in Ursula. Neighboring the immigration facility are cold-storage warehouses that keep produce fresh despite the oppressive Texas sun and triple-digit temperatures outside. Opened under former President Barack Obama, the Border Patrol warehouse is chilly too; migrants have long referred to it as the hielera, or ice box. Even its official name sounds agricultural: the Centralized Processing Center. But while the crisp produce moves swiftly across the border, a reminder of the close ties between Mexico and the United States that Sevier knows so well, the migrants inside Ursula spend their first nights in America stuck beneath lights that never turn off, shivering under sheets of Mylar.

    Sevier set up a makeshift clinic—stethoscope, thermometer, blood-pressure cuffs—in a room, lined with computer stations, that agents use for paperwork. Each of the agent stations had its own bottle of hand sanitizer and disinfectant wipes. But when Sevier asked the 38 children she examined that day about sanitation, they all said they weren’t allowed to wash their hands or brush their teeth. This was “tantamount to intentionally causing the spread of disease,” she later wrote in a medical declaration about the visit, the document that the lawyers filed in federal court and also shared with me. (Asked for comment on this story, a Customs and Border Protection official wrote in an email that the agency aims to “provide the best care possible to those in our custody, especially children.” The agency’s “short-term holding facilities were not designed to hold vulnerable populations,” the official added, “and we urgently need additional humanitarian funding to manage this crisis.”)

    As agents brought in the children she requested, Sevier said, the smell of sweat and soiled clothing filled the room. They had not been allowed to bathe or change since crossing the Rio Grande and turning themselves over to officials. Sevier found that about two-thirds of the kids she examined had symptoms of respiratory infection. The guards wore surgical masks, but the detainees breathed the air unfiltered. As the children filed in, Sevier said she found evidence of sleep deprivation, dehydration, and malnutrition too.

    Beyond the children’s physical ailments, Sevier also began to worry about their mental health. She asked to see a 2-year-old from Honduras along with his teenage brother, who she hoped could provide the baby’s medical history. The older boy was excited because officials had kept them separate for more than two weeks. But when the guards brought the toddler over from the “day care” where the littlest detainees are held, he stared with wide eyes, Sevier recalled, and began panting heavily, hoarsely, and persistently for the rest of the encounter.

    During the exam, she noticed that the toddler behaved differently from the kids his age she sees every day. In an exam room at her clinic decorated with a Lion King mural, I watched her do a routine checkup on a slightly younger boy. This toddler pulled back when Sevier touched him, but was easily soothed by his mother. The reaction was normal—“a small oscillation between worried and okay,” Sevier explained. A little shyness is typical, she said, but toddlers “shouldn’t be fearful of a stranger.” When they are afraid—when the memory of their last shots is fresh in their mind, for instance—they resist Sevier by crying, clinging to their caregiver, or squirming beneath her stethoscope.

    At Ursula, however, the children Sevier examined—like the panting 2-year-old—were “totally fearful, but then entirely subdued,” she told me. She could read the fear in their faces, but they were perfectly submissive to her authority. “I can only explain it by trauma, because that is such an unusual behavior,” she said. Sevier had brought along Mickey Mouse toys to break the ice, and the kids seem to enjoy playing with them. Yet none resisted, she said, when she took them away at the end of the exam. “At some point,” Sevier mused, “you’re broken and you stop fighting.”

    Sevier made her way down the list of names. A 15-month-old baby with a fever had been in detention for three weeks. His uncle had fed him from the same dirty formula bottle for days on end, until a guard replaced it with a new one. Because “all parents want the best health for their infant,” Sevier later wrote in the medical declaration, denying them “the ability to wash their infant’s bottles is unconscionable and could be considered intentional mental and emotional abuse.” Before her visit, the uncle had asked for medical attention because the baby was wheezing. In response, a guard had touched the baby’s head with his hand and concluded, “He’s not hot,” the uncle told Sevier.

    “Denied access,” Sevier wrote. “Status: ACUTE.”

    At her workstation, Sevier saw some quiet displays of resilience. A 17-year-old girl, with long black hair and a flat affect, entered the room carrying a green plastic bundle—her four-month-old son, wrapped in the kind of bed pad used for incontinent patients in a hospital. The mother explained that the boy had had diarrhea for several days and had soiled his clothes. Guards declined to provide clean baby clothes, she told Sevier, so she managed to obtain two extra diapers and flatten them out into rectangles—one for the baby’s back, one for his chest. She had connected them like a disposable tunic, then wrapped him in the plastic pad. Inside the package, the baby was dirty and sticky, Sevier said. Diaper fluff clung to his hands, his armpits, and the folds of his neck. He wore no socks.

    “I carry my baby super close to me to keep his little body warm,” the mother told Jodi Goodwin, one of the attorneys with Sevier, who interviewed her the same day. Goodwin included her testimony in the court filing, which was a request for a temporary restraining order against the government on the migrants’ behalf. On Friday, a federal judge read her testimony, among others, in court and ordered the government to work with a mediator to improve Border Patrol holding facilities “post haste.”

    These aren’t even the sickest children in the government’s care—those kids are quarantined at a different station, in Weslaco, Texas. When the team of lawyers visited Ursula without Sevier, “every single kid was sick,” Goodwin told me. When they returned three days later with the doctor, Goodwin asked to see four kids whom another attorney had previously flagged to the guards as especially sick. But they were already gone. The guards told Goodwin that their illnesses were severe enough that they had been admitted to the intensive-care unit at a local hospital.

    The source of illness in a facility like Ursula is largely the facility itself, though the idea that immigrants carry infectious diseases is a durable conspiracy theory that even the American president has perpetuated. It is the filth, sleep deprivation, cold, and “toxic stress” of these human warehouses that diminish the body’s capacity to fight illness, Julie Linton, a co-chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics Immigrant Health Special Interest Group, told me. Linton, a South Carolina–based pediatrician, visited Ursula last June and later testified before Congress to urge better access for health-care providers to children in detention.

    Border Patrol has long maintained that it is not equipped to handle children, who are supposed to be transferred into the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement within three days. After that, many kids are housed in licensed child-care facilities that look more like the average public school than a jail. The federal government has attributed slow transfers to the sharp uptick in the number of migrants at the southern border; in May, 144,200 migrants were taken into custody—the highest monthly total in 13 years.

    Days before Sevier’s visit, reports of poor conditions at a similar facility in Clint, Texas, drew outrage around the country. Kevin McAleenan, the acting head of the Department of Homeland Security, told reporters the outcry was based on “unsubstantiated allegations regarding a single Border Patrol facility.”

    But his own agency’s watchdogs soon contradicted him—the problems are not restricted to Clint. Ahead of Sevier’s visit, government inspectors toured Border Patrol camps in South Texas, including Ursula. Their report, released Monday, described “dangerous overcrowding and prolonged detention of children and adults in the Rio Grande Valley.” One Border Patrol supervisor, according to the report, called his holding facility “a ticking time bomb.” Congress last week authorized an additional $4.6 billion for Border Patrol and other agencies, despite the objections of progressive lawmakers, who said the bill did not go far enough to protect children in government custody.

    Sevier spent years cultivating a physician’s empathetic-but-detached habits of mind. During her medical residency, an 8-year-old rescued from near-drowning arrived at the hospital. For the first time, Sevier had to insert a breathing tube down a child’s throat. Vomit began filling his esophagus and lungs. “Suction,” she commanded without missing a beat, surprising even herself, she told me. It’s what she was supposed to do—how she was supposed to act.

    At Ursula, traumatized children with untreated illnesses sat before her. She probed, pressed, and listened. She took notes; she entered their data into a spreadsheet; she compartmentalized. She thought about a social event she’d promised to attend at 6 o’clock.

    At 5:53, the guard with the surgical mask brought in the 3-year-old Sevier had requested to see, holding her by the armpits, like a puppy. Thin and subdued, the girl was crying but didn’t turn away. “Underweight, fearful child in no acute distress,” Sevier wrote. “Only concern is severe trauma being suffered from being removed from primary caregiver.”

    After the exam, the child lingered, and Sevier offered to hold her. She climbed into the doctor’s lap and fell asleep in less than a minute. The squalor, the lighting, the agents, and the event that evening fell away from Sevier’s consciousness. As if in rebellion against her careful training, her mind shut down, she told me. And for what seemed like an eternity, she sat in vacant silence with the child.

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    marshmallow test fails:https://getpocket.com/explore/item/why-rich-kids-are-so-good-at-the-marshmallow-test?utm_source=pocket-newtab

    The marshmallow test is one of the most famous pieces of social-science research: Put a marshmallow in front of a child, tell her that she can have a second one if she can go 15 minutes without eating the first one, and then leave the room. Whether she’s patient enough to double her payout is supposedly indicative of a willpower that will pay dividends down the line, at school and eventually at work. Passing the test is, to many, a promising signal of future success.

    But a new study has cast the whole concept into doubt. The researchers—NYU’s Tyler Watts and UC Irvine’s Greg Duncan and Hoanan Quan—restaged the classic marshmallow test, which was developed by the Stanford psychologist Walter Mischel in the 1960s. Mischel and his colleagues administered the test and then tracked how children went on to fare later in life. They described the results in a 1990 study, which suggested that delayed gratification had huge benefits, including on such measures as standardized test scores.

    Watts and his colleagues were skeptical of that finding. The original results were based on studies that included fewer than 90 children—all enrolled in a preschool on Stanford’s campus. In restaging the experiment, Watts and his colleagues thus adjusted the experimental design in important ways: The researchers used a sample that was much larger—more than 900 children—and also more representative of the general population in terms of race, ethnicity, and parents’ education. The researchers also, when analyzing their test’s results, controlled for certain factors—such as the income of a child’s household—that might explain children’s ability to delay gratification and their long-term success.

    Ultimately, the new study finds limited support for the idea that being able to delay gratification leads to better outcomes. Instead, it suggests that the capacity to hold out for a second marshmallow is shaped in large part by a child’s social and economic background—and, in turn, that that background, not the ability to delay gratification, is what’s behind kids’ long-term success.

    This new paper found that among kids whose mothers had a college degree, those who waited for a second marshmallow did no better in the long run—in terms of standardized test scores and mothers’ reports of their children’s behavior—than those who dug right in. Similarly, among kids whose mothers did not have college degrees, those who waited did no better than those who gave in to temptation, once other factors like household income and the child’s home environment at age 3 (evaluated according to a standard research measure that notes, for instance, the number of books that researchers observed in the home and how responsive mothers were to their children in the researchers’ presence) were taken into account. For those kids, self-control alone couldn’t overcome economic and social disadvantages.

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    Nathan J. Robinson continues to grow on me.

    https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/06/the-best-theyve-got?fbclid=IwAR3REhvuJkNyUs8rocp8Iya_7mdLJQwMok8u054a-qy5q4BPjRPRP0-PUL4

    JUNE 09, 2019
    THE BEST THEY’VE GOT

    Examining the National Review’s “Against Socialism” issue…

    by NATHAN J. ROBINSON

    The resurgence of socialism is going well. So well, in fact, that the nation’s premier conservative magazine has just published a special “Against Socialism” issue, in a frantic attempt to stop the virus from spreading. The edition includes 13 different brief articles on why socialism is bad. In each, a different National Review contributor goes after socialism from a slightly different angle. (The phrase “throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks” comes to mind.)

    As a socialist, I was grateful and flattered to see my fringe opinions dealt with so substantively. It is always helpful to see the counterargument to one’s position stated in the strongest possible terms. If the conservative intellectuals bring their heaviest hitters to produce the most thorough possible demolition of socialism, we will be able to evaluate once and for all whether the case holds up. If it does, it will be bad news indeed for the socialists.

    Let us go through the issue, then, look at the arguments, and see if we’re convinced that socialism is bad and we should all take up National Review subscriptions.

    1. Charles C.W. Cooke — Socialism Is Not Democratic (Nor Is It Compatible With The Constitution)
    Cooke begins not by citing a socialist writer or academic, but a man he met at Occupy Wall Street who wore a cardboard box around his torso with the word “democracy” on it. The box-wearer called Cooke “man” and told Cooke that “it’s up to us.” Cooke scoffs at this man’s naive faith in democracy, explaining that democracy is not an absolute. After all, democracy does not mean we put everything up to a majority vote. Cook says that the free market should be a sphere that democracy cannot abridge, and we should think of “democratic socialism” the way we would think of “democratic speech restrictions” or “democratic warrantless searches.” The fact that something is sanctioned by popular plebiscite does not confer legitimacy on it. As he writes:

    Just as the individual right to free speech is widely comprehended as part of what we mean by “democracy” rather than as an unacceptable abridgment of majority rule, so the individual rights protected in property and by markets are necessary to the maintenance of a democratic order—in this, deeper, sense of the word. In the West, choosing to trade with a person in another country is, itself, a democratic act. Electing to start a company in your garage, with no need for another’s imprimatur, is, itself, a democratic act. Banding together to establish a cooperative is, itself, a democratic act. Selecting the vendor from which you source your goods and services—and choosing what to buy from it—is, itself, a democratic act. Keeping the lion’s share of the fruits of your labor is, itself, a democratic act. When governments step in with their bayonets and say “No!” they are, in effect, keeping your choices off the ballot.

    This sort of “sounds good until you think about it for more than a second” reasoning underpins most libertarian thinking. (Cooke calls himself a “conservatarian” actually, which he insists is different.) A shopping mall is a democracy: You are given the choice of a range of shops and products, and you may “vote” for the ones you desire. The free market economy is one big shopping mall where people get to make whatever contracts they please, with complete control over their lives. Restrictions on this free exchange, even if sanctioned by a majority vote, are undemocratic. Taxes on the fruits of labor, even if passed through a democratically-elected legislature, reduce an individual’s control over her life and therefore inhibit democracy.

    I am not sure whether Cooke has ever heard the socialist critique of this idea before, because he certainly doesn’t deal with it. Socialists point out that, if the market is a democracy with money as its votes, it is a strange kind of “democracy” indeed—one in which some people get zero votes or negative votes and some people get 152,000,000,000 votes. Socialists point out that in a laissez-faire economy, people do not seem to get what they want, nor do they get the full fruits of their labor. After all, Amazon’s warehouse workers presumably do not want to have to skip their bathroom breaks to keep their jobs. They do it because they need their jobs to pay rent to their landlords so that they can have a place to live. The libertarian says “Ah, but you made the free choice to take this miserable job, therefore you wanted it!” The socialist replies “Come the fuck on. Clearly people do not want to work bad jobs, they work bad jobs because they need jobs.”

    Socialists realize that while “freedom of contract” is very “democratic” for extremely wealthy people, for people without wealth, it doesn’t provide much choice at all. Take the guy who died when his insulin GoFundMe fell short. Under Cooke’s “market-as-democracy” idea, this was democracy at work. The market simply turned out not to value his life as much as he did. For socialists, this is horrifying. At a time when “wealthy people and corporations have so much money they literally don’t know what to do with it,” we think “the government with its bayonets” should have given the guy his insulin, and taxed some rich lawyer to pay for it. Perhaps “undemocratic” for the lawyer, who wants “the lion’s share of the fruits of his labor” (i.e., the millions he got defending corporate malfeasance and getting favorable settlements for wealthy rapists). We socialists beg to differ. (I recommend my friend Rob Larson’s book Capitalism vs. Freedom for an excellent primer on the difference between the socialist and libertarian conceptions of freedom.)

    It is difficult to have arguments about what “democracy” is, because there is no definitive answer. Certainly it involves popular participation in governance, but to what degree and in what form? Cooke may think that a law requiring companies to give employees seats on corporate boards, even if it has been passed by a legislature, is “undemocratic” in that it restricts the absolute freedom of corporations and their owners. We socialists, on the other hand, think having a say in decisions at your workplace is a crucial part of democracy, and that since corporations are created by the state to begin with (they are legal constructions, not metaphysical entities) it’s perfectly fine to set some requirements that ensure workers’ interests are represented.

    Cooke seems to believe he is breaking news to the socialists by pointing out that in any authentic democracy, minority rights have to be protected, and that simply majority rule is not a satisfactory definition of the term. That’s certainly true—it also explains why many leftists like variations on consensus decision-making processes that try to incorporate minority objections. Pointing out that it will never be easy to balance everybody’s rights and interests does not refute the socialists who say that the interests of workers are poorly represented when so much of what happens to them is determined by unaccountable people far, far wealthier than themselves.

    Cooke then gives us the three objections to socialism that he believes are absolutely inescapable and irrefutable:

    History has shown us that socialism exhibits three core defects from which it cannot escape and which its champions cannot avoid. The first is what Hayek termed “the knowledge problem.” This holds that all economic actors make errors based on imperfect knowledge but that a decentralized economy will suffer less from this, partly because the decision-makers are closer to the information they need, and partly because each actor does not wield total control over everything but is only one part of a larger puzzle. The second problem is that, because socialism eliminates both private property and supply and demand, it eliminates rational incentives and, thereby, rational calculation. The third problem is that socialism, following Marx’s dialectical theory of history, lends itself to a theory of inevitability or preordination that leaves no room for dissent, and that leads in consequence to the elevation of a political class that responds to failure by searching for wreckers and dissenters to punish. Worse still, because socialists view all questions, including moral questions, through a class lens, these searches tend to be deemed morally positive—bound, one day, to be regarded by History as Necessary. Together, these defects lead to misery, poverty, corruption, ignorance, authoritarianism, desperation, exodus, and death.

    First, we can immediately dismiss point three as a critique of socialism. It may be a critique of Marx’s theory of history, albeit a lazy one.* But to those socialists who already know that it’s important not to believe in “inevitability,” and who value dissent and debate, this is not news. Conservatives always have to ignore the existence of the libertarian socialist tradition, and stick to attacking orthodox Marxism-Leninism. But there are plenty of socialists who do not hold the opinions that Cooke says we hold. Perhaps if he had picked up a book instead of talking to a lone man wearing a cardboard box, he would know that.

    Points one and two are variations on the same theme: The total elimination of markets and private property creates economic havoc. Note that this objection would only apply to those socialists who are advocating the elimination of markets and private property. How about those who are advocating the equitable distribution of that property, say through the establishment of a social wealth fund? Seth Ackerman has written a long and fascinating discussion of the “knowledge” and “calculation” problems in Jacobin, explaining how one can socialize a firm without eliminating important incentives. (By the way, even libertarian economist Bryan Caplan has admitted that “economic history as well as pure economic theory fails to establish that the economic calculation problem was a severe challenge for socialism,” but Cooke still states the problem as insurmountable without further explanation.) Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski, in The People’s Republic of Walmart argue that these objections have been answered by corporations themselves. Does Cooke engage with any of the counterarguments made by Jacobin and the People’s Policy Project? He does not.

    Already we see a tendency that recurs throughout the “Against Socialism” issue. The National Review does not just wish to disagree with socialists, but to portray them as childish idiots incapable of grasping even the basic dilemmas of political theory and economics. Since this picture of socialists is false, it requires the writers to avoid the ideas and proposals of today’s real-world U.S. socialists and instead talk about Lenin.

    *He doesn’t show, for example, that defenders of the theory are wrong, but says that it “lends itself” to a thing that “leads to” another thing. The same could be said about the concept of “reason,” which lends itself to people taking their instincts for rational deductions and leads to them thinking other people should just shut up and listen. But the concept of reason is still valuable.

    2. Joshua Muravchik — Socialism As Epic Tragedy
    Muravchik presents the history of socialism as a tragic cautionary tale about idealism: Millions of people came to believe in the possibility of a world where people were equal, only to have the whole thing end in a bloody catastrophe. He claims there are two kinds of socialists: those who never learned the lesson, and those who learned it, and therefore stopped being socialists. He cites the example of German leftist Eduard Bernstein, who questioned Marxist orthodoxy:

    Bernstein drew the logical conclusion. He abandoned socialism. He determined to continue struggling to wrest better conditions for the workers, but he said, “The ‘final goal of socialism’ is nothing to me.” Others, however, were not ready to abandon the “final goal.” […] Not all socialists followed the bloody trail Lenin blazed. Some, usually under the banner of parties calling themselves “labor” or “social democratic,” insisted on pursuing only democratic and peaceful paths to the promised land of collective ownership and equal distribution. Over many decades they discovered, as Bernstein had foreseen, that these routes led no farther than the welfare state undergirded by a capitalist economy. The “socialism” that so many thought they could see over the horizon, that millions killed and died for, turned out to be a mirage. Its pursuit spelled one of history’s saddest chapters.

    So, be like Eduard Bernstein: Give up on the goals of socialism and accept that a capitalist economy is inevitable. Except… Bernstein didn’t give up on socialism. In a truly stunning act of intellectual dishonesty, Muravchik deliberately leaves off the second half of Bernstein’s quote, which is actually: “The final goal of socialism is nothing, the movement is everything.” Bernstein did not abandon socialism, and as explained in an introduction to Bernstein’s The Principles of Socialism, he was frustrated when people misinterpreted his statement:

    Dismayed by the outcry which his declaration provoked, Bernstein made several attempts to explain himself… [H]e said that he saw the final goal of socialism not as a future state of affairs but as the set of principles that governed the day-to-day political activity of the party. What he had really meant, he said, was therefore that “the movement is everything to me because it bears its goal within itself.”

    Bernstein himself said that his statement meant:

    What is normally called the final goal of socialism was nothing; and in this spirit I still endorse it today… t was quite obvious that it could not express indifference towards the ultimate implementation of socialist principles, but only indifference—or more correctly, lack of anxiety—to “how” things would ultimately take shape. At no time has my interest in the future gone beyond general principles, and detailed depictions of the future were never something I could read through to the end.

    I don’t mean to dwell on a minor historical fabrication, but I think it’s actually quite important, because it’s necessary for the National Review’s project. They can’t admit that there were reasonable socialists who retained their belief in the principles of socialism while questioning Marxist orthodoxy. That would open up the possibility that one could be both sensible and a socialist, which of course one could not. So it has to be either-or: Either you subscribe to Marxist orthodoxy, or you are not a socialist and believe in “capitalism with a welfare state.” Bernstein’s thoughtful reformist socialism does not fit into the framework, thus his quotes must be trimmed and his actual beliefs ignored.

    Bernstein’s formulation of socialism as “principles” rather than a hypothetical future end state is one I’ve endorsed myself. I think it’s something that many socialists subscribe to today. They don’t see socialism as a particular clearly-defined economic blueprint, but as a set of criteria by which institutions and policies are to be evaluated. Because today’s capitalist economies fall radically short of satisfying those criteria, a socialist believes that large-scale changes are necessary. But we have internal debates as to what changes would work best. This “pragmatic utopianism” is discomforting to National Review types, because it is insufficiently ridiculous to dismiss. If we do not in fact believe in a rigid totalizing ideology that would break any number of eggs to get its omelet, then Muravchik is providing a useful historical cautionary tale, but not a critique of contemporary socialist politics.

    3. Jeffrey Tucker – If You Want To Want (How Socialism Causes Shortages)
    4. Kevin D. Williamson – The Ignorance That Kills
    Both Tucker and Williamson put the “calculation debate” at the center of their critique of socialism. This is a little bit strange, because the calculation debate is about whether one can have a functional economy in the absence of money and prices, and I searched the text of Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party manifesto in vain to find the part where it proposes the abolition of money. I see proposals for a more progressive tax system, a national investment bank, public ownership of major utilities, free school meals for children, funding the NHS sufficiently. I don’t even find the abolition of money advocated for in the pages of Jacobin, where, as I say, you can find Ackerman’s sophisticated discussion of market socialism.

    Elsewhere, Williamson has implied that all public provision of goods and services should be called “socialism.” (In fact, anything the government does is socialism. He says ObamaCare is “an obvious exercise in socialistic central planning” because, while it may simply regulate a market of private insurers, the product they are selling is “designed in Washington, D.C.” Public schools, too, are socialism. In his Politically Incorrect Guide To Socialism, Williamson says that “primary-secondary education is conducted under an almost exclusively socialist model” and is indeed “more deeply socialized than Soviet agriculture was under Stalin,” since “about 90 percent of U.S. students attend government schools.”

    Williamson’s use of the word socialism is idiosyncratic and extreme. But it also means the case against socialism collapses utterly. Williamson’s proof that “socialism” is a disaster is that U.S. public schools aren’t doing a very good job, which he blames on their being government schools rather than private schools. But if socialism gets the blame for the poor performance of U.S. students, why doesn’t socialism get the credit for the superior performance of students in other countries’ public schools? Why aren’t the Chinese public school system and the Finnish public school system and the Canadian public school system taken as evidence of socialism’s potential? Even accepting that all public institutions are socialism, the U.S. public school system cannot possibly demonstrate an “inherent” defect of socialism, because we know that there are public school systems that do very well around the world. The argumentation here is just pitiful: take a U.S. government program that has failed and use it to draw absolute conclusions about government itself, without looking at other governments where the program has succeeded.

    I don’t want to get too much into the technical stuff about the calculation debate, except to point out even more interesting left thinkers who are posing challenges to the central assumptions. See, for example, Evgeny Morozov’s detailed new article “Digital Socialism? The Calculation Debate in the Age of Big Data” in the latest New Left Review.

    (I have previously critiqued Tucker for his defense of child labor and insistence that Taco Bell is a place of beauty and splendor.)

    5. John O’Sullivan — Of Socialism and Human Nature
    John O’Sullivan believe socialists are in denial about the facts of human nature, beginning his article with Margaret Thatcher’s quote that the “facts of life are conservative.” He also wishes to explore the aspects of human nature that lead people to embrace socialist thinking:

    [M]any different sides of human nature conspired to support the socialist transformation of society. Some were transparently objectionable vices— for instance, envy. If greed is supposedly the characteristic capitalist vice, envy is the typical socialist one. Envy, indeed, has most of the unpleasant consequences of capitalism—it is socially divisive, productive of conflict, encouraging of hostility towards those envied, and discouraging of everyone else’s improving their lives and status— without the saving grace of greed, which leads to work, saving, and investment. Compare the relative damage to society caused by the crimes of socialism and capitalism. Both impoverish their victims, but crimes of envy can kill them too and spread a disabling fear throughout society. As Madsen Pirie of the Adam Smith Institute in London once asked: “When was the last time you were afraid to go out at night in case you were embezzled?”

    This, as you will see, makes no sense. The distinction between socialist “envy” and capitalist “greed” doesn’t hold up well. Embezzlement is theft, robbery is theft, both can be said to be the product of greed or envy. If we take greed to simply mean “maximizing what one has” and envy to mean “specifically desiring a thing that another presently has” both can kill, and it’s not clear to me that greed automatically “leads to” work rather than, say, fraud.

    I always get annoyed at the charge that socialists “envy” the rich. It’s hurled at us without any regard for whether it’s actually true. Personally, the socialists I know do not want to be rich. (As for myself, I don’t really want much more money than my tiny magazine-editor salary, though I rather wish I didn’t have $140,000 in student debt.) Many socialists do dislike the rich, but if they do it’s because they find it grotesque to hoard wealth when people are suffering terribly and that suffering could easily be alleviated with a small fraction of that wealth. You can define that position as “envy,” but it’s more properly called “elementary moral reasoning.”

    Here is another passage in which O’Sullivan diagnoses the psychological problems of socialists:

    When [the existence of corruption and atrocities in “socialist” states] becomes undeniable, most comfortably-off foreign admirers of socialist regimes condemn them only formally and then carry on as before. Their admiration for leftist despotisms is really a roundabout neurotic rejection of their own societies and as such not to be taken seriously. It’s the political equivalent of a society hostess’s dressing like a dominatrix: It’s intended to show contempt for dull middle-class virtues. Hard-core progressives are a different matter. They are serious revolutionaries and either invent contorted justifications for socialist scandals—virtues are transformed by theory into vices and vices into virtues— or simply deny the plain evidence of their own senses: As each socialist paradise is shown to be a kleptocratic hellhole, the caravan of Sandalistas simply moves on to the next one without apology. They make a trivial and contemptible contrast to those who in the late 19th and early 20th centuries sensed and predicted the paths of genocide, tyranny, and impoverishment down which their societies were trending. Before a single socialist regime had established itself, writers including Dostoevsky, W. H. Mallock, and, of course, Kipling glimpsed the horrors that lay concealed within socialism’s humanitarian promise. Surely their glimpses into its future in country after country refute the fraying excuse that socialism has never been tried. For if indeed socialism has never been tried, how could they predict its consequences with such eerie accuracy?

    The first part of this is speculative and difficult to even discuss. I am not sure who They are, because they are not named. Are They the members of the DSA? I’m interviewing members of the DSA right now for a series of articles, and the thing I’m consistently struck by is how totally unlike the stereotypes about socialists they are. They do not dogmatically defend authoritarian regimes. If you shout “Venezuela” at them, they might point out to you—as economist Jeffrey Sachs would—that U.S. actions are exacerbating the humanitarian crisis. But they do not justify bad actions by nominally socialist governments. They are not partisan toward particular governments, but toward egalitarian principles, and if governments violate those principles, then the socialists will condemn them. (Honestly, I strongly recommend that all of these authors get to know a few young socialists, and go to some meetings, before they write another word on this subject. As we will see in article #10, the one National Review writer who did give socialists a fair hearing ended up agreeing with them on major points.)

    I have pointed out before that predictions about authoritarian “socialist” governments were not just made by people like Rudyard Kipling. They were also made by socialists like Mikhail Bakunin. The argument they made, and it is persuasive to me, is that the problem with authoritarian “socialist” governments is the authoritarianism rather than the socialism. Authoritarianism leads to horrible results when it is instituted in the name of any ideology. And while you may argue that socialism is “inherently” authoritarian, you’ll be arguing against those socialists who have always stood up for free speech and respect for civil liberties. It is peculiar, if the socialism of Emma Goldman was inherently authoritarian, that she spent so much time denouncing the Soviet government for its restrictions on liberty. The only way to argue that all socialists are authoritarians is to ignore all the ones who aren’t.

    6. Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry – All The Benefits You’ll Never See: French statism has been anything but progressive
    Gobry, a Frenchman, begins with a story about Charles de Gaulle:

    One of Charles de Gaulle’s most notorious moments of public wit came when he was asked at a press conference whether “Europe” wasn’t the solution to France’s problems. After a long defense of his policies, he exclaimed “Of course, people can jump up and down on their chairs like mountain goats and shout ‘Europe! Europe! Europe!’ but it means nothing and leads nowhere.” It seems that when it comes to health-care reform in the U.S., progressives often think it’s enough to jump up and down like mountain goats and shout “France! France! France!” But it is not.

    Is this what we do? I did not realize this was what we did. (To the extent that we actually shout countries’ names we also shout: Sweden! Canada! The U.K.! Spain! Italy! Iceland! Every other country that has universal healthcare!) Gobry then makes his case against the imaginary person whose entire political argument boils down to shouting the word “France” over and over.

    Gobry tries to show us that the French healthcare system is overpraised. He begins with quite an admission: “Yes, the French health-care system is, at the moment, almost amazing as they say.” He recounts a recent experience:

    Taking my frighteningly sick daughter to Necker, the main children’s hospital in Paris, made me proud to be a French taxpayer. Not only was the building gleaming and everything in it high-tech, but the staff was first-class, efficient, and, above all, kind, a world away from bureaucratic cliché. When, on my way out, after my daughter had recovered, I asked whether I had to pay for anything, the staff looked at me as if I’d just flown in from Mars.

    Ah, but there are problems! For example:

    While progressives are rightly enthralled with the idea of “evidence-based medicine” (while failing to realize that mandating it is sure to bring dysfunction), the French government has found a, let’s say, ingenious way to get French people to ingest fewer drugs: It promotes the notorious fraud of homeopathy and, in some cases, even pays for it. The French are also inexplicably obsessed with psychoanalysis, to the point that French mental-health care is essentially stuck in the 1930s.

    Okay, well, there are absolutely good reasons not to promote homeopathy and 1930s Freudianism, but I don’t see a reason why a universal healthcare system has to promote homeopathy and 1930s Freudianism. I don’t think anyone who proposes borrowing from the French model thinks it’s an “all or nothing” deal. (There’s a weird related tendency in conservative arguments where the arguer will pick one arbitrary difference between country X and country Y to show that the system in country Y could never work in country X. For instance: Ah yes, Sweden has paid family leave, but it is ethnically homogeneous.)

    I am unfairly singing out one of Gobry’s worse points. He also points out a series of real defects in French healthcare, from budget troubles to dissatisfaction among practitioners. A hospital in Toulouse was found to be seriously dysfunctional. But as I will emphasize in #9, the fair way to judge global health care systems is not by stringing together worst-case anecdotes and pointing out shortfalls, but by holistically and systematically assessing them using data. This Gobry does not do.

    He does point out other ways in which France is imperfect. For instance, there are not enough spots in French public daycares, and many staff are not as qualified as they ought to be. It sounds like a problem France ought to work on! The French school system is unequal and elitist. You will find no argument here, for we socialists do not argue that France is a workers’ utopia in which divisions of class and race have disappeared. Gobry says that while France does have free public universities, they are not always particularly good:

    My top-ranked law school’s library, for instance, on top of being crumbling and having Wi-Fi that didn’t work most days and only a handful of computer terminals, had a glass wall oriented so that sunlight hit it directly. That wall, combined with a lack of air conditioning and ventilation, turned the library into a locker-room-scented sauna—especially in the spring, which is exam season…

    I do not envy Gobry his law school experience. My own top-ranked law school in the United States had a very attractive library, and the sunlight caused no trouble. There was good air conditioning and the Wi-Fi worked. Unfortunately, as I say, the place also left me with $140,000 in debt. I think I might have taken the free law school with the bad ventilation!

    7. Andrew Stuttaford — Before There Was Thatcher
    Stuttaford’s attack on socialism is, well, not really an attack on socialism so much as a brief discussion of the British economy in the 1970s. Much of the Western world entered a recession in the mid-70s. Under the British Conservative government of 1970-1974, the economy was weak and labor relations deteriorated. The Labour Party came to power, and things further deteriorated, with giant public-sector strikes in 1978 that the Labour government proved unable to deal with. Before Margaret Thatcher came to power in 1979, the economy had recovered somewhat, but the Labour government had lost popular support.

    Drawing timeless lessons from the experience of one country during a period of global economic turmoil is something that should be done very carefully. Stuttaford implies that particular Keynesian economic policies pushed by Labour to try to boost the economy can be blamed for the party’s failure. The reality is more complicated. A summary of the consensus among historians:

    [The Labour Party] was unable to control inflation, unable to control the unions, unable to solve the Irish problem, unable to solve the Rhodesian question, unable to secure its proposals for Welsh and Scottish devolution, unable to reach a popular modus vivendi with the Common Market… It was little wonder, therefore, that Mrs. Thatcher resoundingly defeated it in 1979.

    Much of this seems particular to a time and place, rather than able to be blamed on “socialism.” The Labour government may well have stayed in power were it not for the fallout from the public sector strikes. I am not sure what Stuttaford believes he has proven about socialism.

    8. Shawn Regan — Price Not, Conserve Not: Why Markets Are Better For The Environment
    Regan argues that capitalism is better for the environment than socialism. He returns to the “calculation debate,” arguing that if resources do not have prices, they will be squandered, and a non-market economy will have no incentive to protect the environment. He shows that the Soviet Union had a dismal environmental record and recites a series of disturbing facts about the way the natural world was despoiled by Soviet industry. He also points to pollution problems in Cuba and Venezuela, and concludes:

    As socialist ideas capture the American imagination—and are often portrayed, as with the Green New Deal, as necessary to avoid environmental catastrophe—it’s important to remember socialism’s dismal environmental legacy. Capitalism may be a dirty word these days, but when it comes to producing the prosperity and creativity necessary to sustain a clean environment, it’s still the best system we’ve got.

    But what on earth does Soviet pollution have to say about whether the Green New Deal is a good idea? Notably, while Regan says that “a capitalist firm has ample incentive to act on such information to economize on the use of natural resources,” he does not respond to the argument made by today’s socialists, which is that capitalist firms have inadequate incentive to avoid actions that cause climate change, and in fact profit from actions that contribute to climate change. Fossil fuel companies misled the public for years about climate change in order to protect their business. “We pollute less than Soviet industry” is not an argument for how we can reverse the damage caused by our own actions. The United States has emitted more CO2 than any other country, and the U.S. and Europe are together responsible for the majority of cumulative emissions. Climate change is a problem that has been dumped on the Global South by the actions of multinational corporations. (This may be why Regan focuses on air pollution rather than climate change, though even then, U.S. environmental regulation doesn’t figure into his story of how the U.S. managed to reduce certain kinds of pollution.)

    These days, the democratic socialists are making an argument. The argument is that, looking at the data from both the U.S. government and the IPCC, it is clear that laissez-faire capitalism is not going to prevent catastrophic climate change. They have argued that a drastic national mobilization is necessary. The people making this argument are not economic illiterates. Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz has said that a Green New Deal is affordable and necessary. Instead of debating Stiglitz, however, Regan prefers to point out that Soviet factories were wasteful and dirty.

    9. Avik Roy — Socialized Medicine Is Bad For Your Health
    Avik Roy, to his credit, has a clear definition of what socialism is, at least in the sphere he is talking about. He says that universal health coverage schemes in which people are required to buy private health insurance, a la Switzerland, are not socialism. (Roy presumably disagrees with Kevin Williamson, who has argued that ObamaCare is socialism, raising the question: Wouldn’t it be helpful if the National Review’s writers had a consistent definition of the thing they’re dedicating an entire issue to arguing against?) Roy says that “single-payer” healthcare, like Canada’s system or Medicare For All, is socialized insurance, while medical services directly provided by the government, like the British NHS, are full socialized medicine.

    Roy first attacks the NHS. He says that while one might be impressed by the fact that Britain has far lower healthcare spending (with better results, though he doesn’t mention this), if you “open a random edition of a British daily newspaper and you will likely encounter an article about some egregious problem the NHS has failed to solve.” He gives examples: doctors not telling patients about innovative new therapies that the NHS doesn’t pay for, terminally ill patients being classified as “close to death” when they are not in order to avoid paying for expensive life support, failure to revise guidelines on the management of cholesterol, and more. Plus, of course, the infamous wait times.

    All of these are very bad. But Roy does not mention that one can open a U.S. newspaper and find plenty of healthcare horror stories—badly injured people begging people not to call an ambulance because of the expense, teenagers being denied cancer treatment by their insurance companies, drug treatments that cost $375,000 a year, hospitals recommending people crowdfund their heart transplants, an $18,000 bill to treat a baby with a nap and a bottle of formula, a woman being sent to jail over an unpaid ambulance bill, a person going blind in one eye because Medicaid didn’t cover reattaching their retina, and people dying because they can’t afford insulin.

    Now, look, we can swap horror stories all day. There are plenty you can tell about the NHS, but you are not having an honest discussion if you list a series of anecdotes found in the newspaper, but decline to examine the system’s overall performance or look at the downsides found in both the British and American systems. The U.K. system outperforms the U.S. on a number of metrics including overall efficiency. There are, of course, tradeoffs to a socialized healthcare system: When you treat everybody, people have to wait longer. (Though American critics of the British system usually fail to note that there are private hospitals in the U.K., and just as in this country rich people can skip the line. This goes unmentioned because it destroys Roy’s argument that the British system “tramples on individuals’ rights to seek the care and coverage they want.”)

    Roy does not mention the performance of public health services around the world. We have lots of different models for providing care, with greater and lesser roles for private sector providers. A sensible approach, one guided by facts rather than fanaticism, would look at how different countries achieve success in their health system and advocate a model that had been tried and tested. Instead, Roy simply mentions U.K. and Canadian wait times.

    Roy concludes with an obnoxious passage on the way in which health care is a “right”:

    Health care is indeed a right, in the same way that any use of liberty is a right. And that liberty—to freely seek the care we need, to pay for it in a way that is mutually convenient for us and our doctors, in a system that is sustainable for the generations to come—is one that we must not merely defend, but expand.

    Answer me this, Roy: When you talk about “paying for care in a way that is mutually convenient,” are you including the people who crowdfund their cancer treatment? How about this woman in Georgia, urgently trying to get $50,000 to treat her sister for pancreatic cancer? How about this man in Alabama, who has spent a year trying to get $1,000 toward his insulin? The case socialists have always made is that being “free to die” is a bad definition of “liberty,” and that freedom should instead be defined as your meaningful capacity to act. What have you to offer these people? Is this really a system we must “not merely defend, but expand”? Expand toward what more dystopian end?

    10. Timothy P. Carney — Community of All, Community of None
    Carney’s article is the most interesting in the issue. He argues that socialism has experienced a resurgence because there is “something missing in people’s lives,” citing spikes in opioid deaths and suicides. “The root cause” of millennial socialism, he says, “is something like loneliness. To borrow a term from Marx himself, you could blame alienation.” Carney says we are suffering from a lack of community, and because of that, people seek the community-spiritedness they find in socialist movements and ideas. Carney visited Occupy Wall Street in 2011 and noticed that what its participants seemed to care about the most were the feelings of participation, solidarity, and direct democracy. He concludes:

    The root cause of both Occupy Wall Street and Bernie 2016 was a prevailing sense of political alienation. Young people felt that they had lost the ability to make a difference in the world… People need other people. The American Right sometimes neglects this basic fact and ends up deifying the individual or the nuclear family. When Hillary Clinton said “it takes a village to raise a child,” conservatives replied, “It takes a family.” Being pro- family is one thing. Denying that child- rearing is in part a community undertaking is another.

    By this point Carney has come on board with large parts of what the left is saying. He has agreed with Marx about alienation, he sees that people have been shut out of the political system and feel powerless, he sees that venerating the individual and saying things like “there is no such thing as society” produces loneliness and isolation. But up until this point, he has implied that while the sources of socialist sentiment are understandable, the political reaction is not.

    Yet when Carney, being the most thoughtful participant in the National Review’s symposium, comes to actually assess a part of the socialist agenda, he finds it very difficult to disagree. Carney takes the time to actually read Matt Bruenig’s set of policy proposals designed to help make raising children affordable:

    The People’s Policy Project, a socialist think tank, recently released its “Family Fun Pack,” a proposal for a raft of federal programs designed to help poor and working-class people raise families. The policy paper explains that the capitalist system is not oriented to helping families. “Because income is paid out to the factors of production without any regard for its final family-level distribution,” it states, “families with children wind up in dramatically worse financial circumstances than families without children.” The paper then calls for 36 weeks of federally funded paid parental leave, federally funded child care, a federal benefit for stay-at-home mothers, federally funded (and even federally operated) pre-K, and plenty more expansions of the state into the lives of parents and kids. Two of the ideas undergirding these efforts are correct: The market itself doesn’t account for the costs and difficulties of being a parent; and raising a child without help is very difficult, even for married parents with income. If you read “Family Fun Pack,” you come away asking, “How does anyone manage to raise a family without already being rich?” Then you remember: community. Extended family, neighbors, parishes, shuls, civic associations, dinner clubs, swim clubs, and so on. These institutions help families keep their stuff together, help mothers and fathers stay sane, help new parents navigate the daunting path of parenthood.

    Carney finishes up by lamenting that “more and more of us live in an alienated landscape” and “when the choice appears to be between getting screwed over and getting socialism, it’s not a hard call… The less we’re connected to one another via community institutions, and the more isolated we are, the more we grasp for something big to protect us. For young Americans, that’s often the state.”

    It would seem then, that in the absence of strong supportive communities that can make it possible to raise children if you’re not rich, the proposals of the Family Fun Pack are necessary. And since Carney says that many young people don’t have these communities, it’s perfectly rational for them to become socialists. He doesn’t offer an alternative, just laments that things have come to this.

    Carney’s essay shouldn’t really have been included in the issue, because it’s not really a case against socialism. I like it, because it’s quite honest in admitting the shortcomings of individualist free-market ideology, acknowledging that Marxist concepts are useful, and declining to argue against Matt Bruenig’s sound and rational proposals for improving the social safety net. Socialism is a fair response to existing conditions, and a decent attempt to fill the void left by individualism. I’m sold.

    11. Deirdre McCloskey — Socialism For The Young At Heart
    McCloskey’s is the most patronizing essay in the bunch, beginning with the old cliche about how if you’re not a socialist when you’re young you’re heartless and if you’re not a conservative when you’re old you’re brainless. McCloskey cites the well-known stories of those who have abandoned youthful socialism. George Orwell inconveniently never renounced it, so McCloskey concludes that “had he survived tuberculosis and seen more of the animal farm of the USSR” he probably would have stopped being a socialist. Personally, I don’t think Orwell needed any more education on the realities of Soviet life. He didn’t shed his socialist faith because he was intelligent enough to understand that you can criticize both capitalism and authoritarian communism simultaneously, that we do not face a binary choice between the miseries of our system and the horrors of theirs, because we can hold out hope for a world that does not have preventable misery and horror in it at all.

    McCloskey repeats the same fallacious argument that others do:

    The parts of a “mixed” economy that work are the free parts, the Chinese shops and factories as against the state enterprises and the glorious vanity projects of the same state. In the U.S., the private clinics for cosmetic procedures work pretty well. The VA hospitals, one of many socialized parts of U.S. medicine, do not.

    Again, you cannot reach this kind of conclusion on the basis of this kind of evidence. If you’re going to argue that public hospitals are worse than private hospitals, you need data. If you’re going to argue that public universities, and state enterprises, and social wealth funds, cannot succeed, then you need to actually look at whether that’s true, not just cite “a thing that works in the private sector” and “a thing that doesn’t work in the public sector” and treat the case as closed. “Look at Amtrak!” they’ll say. “Public rail is slow and creaky. That’s what bureaucracy gets you.” But hang on, what about France’s state-owned TGV? What about China’s high-speed rail network? “Oh, well, [insert anecdote about a problem that one of these systems has, use it to conclude that the public sector is unsalvageable.]”

    Like O’Sullivan, McCloskey spends less time arguing against socialists’ policy proposals than declaiming on the cause of their ideological illness. She offers two reasons why socialism is “so very often [a young person’s] first love.” Number one:

    When an adolescent in a free society discovers that there are poor people, her generous impulse is to bring everyone into a family of 330 million members. She would not have this impulse if raised in an unfree society, whether aristocratic or totalitarian, in which hierarchy has been naturalized. Aristotle, the tutor of aristocrats, said that some people are slaves by nature. And Napoleon the commissar/pig said, All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. The literary critic Tzvetan Todorov reports that Margarete Buber-Neumann (Martin Buber’s daughter-in-law), “a sharp-eyed observer of Soviet realities in the 1930s, was astonished to discover that the holiday resorts for ministry employees were divided into no less than five different levels of ‘luxury’ for the different ranks of the [Communist] bureaucratic hierarchy. A few years later she found such social stratification reproduced in her prison camp.”

    And Number Two:

    [A]s the economist Laurence Iannaccone argues, the more complex an economy becomes, and the further people are, down astonishingly long supply chains, from working with direct fruits, the less obvious are the rewards of their labor. To a person embedded in a large company, and still more to someone in a government office, nothing seems really to matter. Consult the comic strip Dilbert. By contrast, a person, even an 18-year-old person, who works on a subsistence farm has no trouble seeing the connection between effort and reward. Saint Paul of Tarsus had no trouble seeing it in the little economy of Thessalonian Christians: “If any would not work, neither should he eat.” Such rules are the only way in anything but a highly disciplined or greatly loving small group to get a large pizza made.

    Not sure I understand any of this, but I’m an unsophisticated thinker. I prefer explanations like “because they look around at the world and see how so many people work hard all their lives and end up with nothing, while other people inherit fortunes.” But maybe it’s to do with supply chains.

    12. Theodore Dalrymple — Preserved In Their Poverty: Socialism Destroys The Human Character
    Dalrymple, to his credit, has read a thing by a socialist: Oscar Wilde’s 1891 essay “The Soul of Man Under Socialism.” He quotes some of Wilde’s more ridiculous passages about how well a human being will flourish in a socialist society, such as:

    It will be a marvellous thing—the true personality of man—when we see it. It will grow naturally and simply, flower-like, or as a tree grows. It will not be at discord. It will never argue or dispute. It will not prove things. It will know everything.

    Dalrymple scoffs: “It seems to me astonishing that anyone could believe such drivel, let alone a man as intellectually gifted as Wilde.”Alright, yes, it’s silly. But Oscar Wilde wrote literature, not economics, and his essay is best thought of as a challenge to think about what it would really mean for people to reach their full potential, and the conditions it would require for that to happen. “The Soul of Man” contains a lot that is zany and I doubt anyone will find themselves agreeing with all points, but it’s the sort of brilliantly wrong essay that is worth reading and arguing about. Orwell himself said as much, arguing that while some of the more outlandish passages “make for painful reading” “sometimes seem ‘dated’ and ridiculous,” utopian dreamers like Wilde can “remind the Socialist movement of its original, half-forgotten objective of human brotherhood.”

    Dalrymple argues that when he worked as a doctor among London’s poor, he saw a kind of unrestrained libertinism that Wilde would have endorsed, and it was socially corrosive. The welfare state and an erosion of traditional morals produced a population trapped in a cycle of poverty. I am not going to attempt to refute this part, because there is nothing to refute. Dalrymple says he saw jealousy, violence, and dependency among the underclass, and environment in which “man was not so much a wolf as a sexual predator to man.” I do not doubt that Dalrymple saw what he saw, but causal claims in social science require some evidence. While Dalrymple speculates on a link between socialist values and what he sees as behavioral dysfunction among the poor, he backs it up with nothing except assertion plus sneers.

    There is one more passage in his article worth quoting, though:

    Socialism is not only, or even principally, an economic doctrine: It is a revolt against human nature. It refuses to believe that man is a fallen creature and seeks to improve him by making all equal one to another. It is not surprising that the development of the New Man was the ultimate goal of Communist tyrannies, the older version of man being so imperfect and even despicable. But such futile and reprehensible dreams, notwithstanding the disastrous results when they were taken seriously by ruthless men in power, are far from alien to current generations of intellectuals. Man, knowing himself to be imperfect, will continue to dream of, and believe in, schemes not merely of improvement here and there but of perfection, of a life so perfectly organized that everyone will be happy, kind, decent, and selfless without any effort at all. Illusion springs eternal, especially among intellectuals.

    Now, this part has a bit of truth to it. Socialism is not principally an economic doctrine, and I’ve suggested that the best way to understand it is as the set of principles that arise from feelings of solidarity. But it is not a “revolt against human nature.” We simply have a difference of opinion on what “human nature” means and what it allows to be possible. We believe human beings can be a cooperative species and do not see our fellow creatures as helplessly “fallen” (or rather, if they’ve fallen, it’s our job to extend a hand and get them back up.) It’s true, we like to daydream about everyone being happy, kind, and decent, perhaps because we know so many people who fit the description and we find it easy to imagine the ethos spreading further. But we’re also realistic: We are not focused on mashing our fellow people into a vision of the New Human Being, but on achieving concrete goals that will materially improve people’s lives. I’m a utopian by twilight, but during the day I’m a practical sort, and so are the other lefties I know. Their goals are actually so modest that it’s remarkable they’re so controversial: a good standard of living for all, freedom from exploitation and abuse, democracy in the workplace, a culture of mutual aid and compassion. Can we not manage these things? We can’t really be that fallen.

    13. Kyle Smith — The First Socialist
    Smith’s brief article is a broadside against “the first socialist,” who turns out to be Plato. Plato believed in rule by a “class of the professionally wise” and “wanted a communal feeling to be society’s permanent mode of thinking.” Smith points out that the ideal society depicted in Plato’s Republic would be undesirable in many ways. I cannot disagree, though I always rather liked the part about exiling poets.

    Smith also peppers his writing with jokes and cheekiness. For example:

    Try imagining everything [Bernie] Sanders says in Grandpa Simpson’s voice, especially when he’s railing against the variety of deodorants or shouting that there were banks in post offices half a century ago. It works.

    How to respond? Fine, Bernie Sanders is old, and Platonist literalism is a poor political philosophy. I see nothing more to say in response to Smith.

    We have reached the end of the “Against Socialism” issue. Has there been close engagement with the writings of the contemporary socialists it is supposedly criticizing? There has not. Have we seen why the manifesto of Corbyn’s Labour and domestic proposals for single-payer healthcare, free college, and a Green New Deal are bad ideas? We have not. In fact, while the National Review has not defined what it means by “socialism,” most of its writers seem to mean “the abolition of money” and proceed to argue that abolishing money would be unwise. Charles Cooke told us that democracy does not mean putting everything up to a vote, and then asserted that the free market is democracy, and closed his case. Shawn Regan showed us that the Soviet Union polluted, while Andrew Stuttaford showed us that the British economy of the ’70s was doing somewhat worse than other economies, many of which were not doing well. We learned that Oscar Wilde and Plato should not be formulating U.S. macroeconomic policy. We were told that we are envious and childish.

    But we were not proved wrong. In fact, the sole writer who spent time engaging with 21st century socialists found them downright reasonable, and couldn’t really come up with a good alternative except to hope for more “community,” which we do too. I hope that when the other writers stop slinging pejoratives and shouting “Venezuela,” they too will shed their youthful free market naïveté and join the international proletarian movement. I am not optimistic. More open-minded individuals, however, will surely read the “Against Socialism” issue and be convinced once and for all that the left is right.

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    from NFL’S BEST GMS 2019

    Patrick Daugherty

    https://www.rotoworld.com/article/goal-line-stand/nfls-best-gms-2019?page=0&sf213030458=1

    The dam has broken. The most analytically-minded front offices are not only winning, they are putting distance between themselves and the rest of the league. It’s how a team like the Eagles can win playoff games with a No. 2 quarterback in back-to-back years. It’s how Bill Belichick keeps hoisting Lombardis even though he’s let his left tackle walk each of the past two springs. They are adapting. The others will die if they don’t follow suit.

    For the purposes of this article, I consider the “general manager” to be whomever is believed to have the biggest role in shaping the roster, irrespective of who has the official title. The criteria is the same as always. All front office activity — from players and coaches to draft picks and contracts — is taken into consideration. Past achievements are not written off, but recent history is given greater emphasis. Even in a results-based business, the process is vital. Last year’s list can be found here. 2017’s is here.

    1. Bill Belichick, Patriots

    How did Bill Belichick celebrate his sixth Super Bowl victory as head coach? By letting his left tackle and top pass rusher walk in free agency. Neither time nor winning have softened Belichick’s heart. He continues to do the things no other coach or general manager will do. Belichick found Trey Flowers in the fourth round, but he does not overpay for sacks. He pulled Trent Brown off the scrap heap, but he refuses to let bargains become boondoggles. He lets someone else spend the money. If it proves worth it — like Chandler Jones in Arizona — then so be it. There is always another find to be made. Whether it is the restricted free agent market or compensatory pick process, Belichick scours all available avenues for talent, playing the longest, most patient game. He is completely unbeholden to sentiment. This may not be a recommended personality trait in a normal human being, but Belichick has never pretended to be normal. The only game he plays is on the field. The rest is unrelenting logic. Perhaps that leaves you cold. It also keeps the trophy case warm.

    2. Howie Roseman, Eagles

    One of the league’s youngest general managers is also one of its most impressive survivors — and winners. Still only 43, Roseman was barely two years removed from outlasting Chip Kelly when he assembled the Eagles’ first championship squad. Roseman has built such a deep roster that it managed to win at least one playoff game each of the past two seasons with its backup quarterback. He has stockpiled so much talent in the trenches that elite skill players have not been necessary. 2018 was arguably as impressive as the Eagles’ Lombardi-lifting 2017 considering the team’s injury issues. A forward thinker who is both willing to trade draft picks and stockpile them via the compensatory process, Roseman has taken on a Belichick-ian air as a team builder. Market inefficiencies — expiring contracts — will be identified. Edges — like a rookie quarterback deal — will be ruthlessly exploited. No one, either as a coach or executive, is in Belichick’s tier. Roseman leads the “best of the rest.”

    3. Kevin Colbert, Steelers

    Kevin Colbert has been the Steelers’ general manager since 2000. His rosters have won 65.2 percent of their games, second to only Bill Belichick’s Patriots Death Star. The last time Pittsburgh finished below .500 was 2003. Impressive, unassailable. Keeping it going will require overcoming some heady issues. Head coach Mike Tomlin finally lost control of an ever-volatile locker room in 2018, with Antonio Brown going rogue after one Ben Roethlisberger slight too many. Which brings us to Big Ben. If Tomlin failed to put out the fire, it was Roethlisberger who started it. Colbert responded by extending his quarterback through 2021. Roethlisberger’s blank check complicates Colbert’s most pressing question — is Tomlin still the right man to lead this group of players? Never regarded as an in-game maestro, Tomlin is paid for what he does in the locker room. In 2018, it wasn’t enough. For his part, Colbert must do a better job on the defensive side of the ball. The team was caught flat-footed at linebacker following Ryan Shazier’s injury, while cornerback is a recurring trouble spot. Colbert showed some urgency in the draft with his uncharacteristic trade up for Devin Bush. Colbert has lasted this long by answering the big questions and getting the little details right. Both are currently threatening to derail what has been an underappreciated front office run.

    4. Les Snead, Rams

    Apparently a general manager takes on the character of his head coach. When Jeff Fisher running the Rams, Les Snead was busy doing things like extending Tavon Austin. On Sean McVay’s watch, it has been one excellent move after another, with an unusual focus on the non-draft avenues of team building. After signing LT Andrew Whitworth in 2017, McVay and Snead added Nickell Robey-Coleman and Ndamukong Suh in 2018. They then went on an unprecedented trading spree, acquiring each of Brandin Cooks, Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib. Although Suh is now gone, all six players were core members of last season’s Super Bowl squad. The M.O. remained the same this spring, with mid-season acquisition Dante Fowler being re-signed and Eric Weddle and Clay Matthews coming aboard in free agency. There is a reason teams do not usually build through the veteran market: It is expensive as sin. For now, the Rams can afford it with Jared Goff on his rookie deal. Although Goff’s extension is a looming conundrum — just how good is Goff, really? — Snead and McVay have two more years to figure it out. Despite all the moves, the Rams do not yet have a future salary cap crisis on their hands. Goff could change that, but it stands to reason Snead and McVay would then adjust their approach. Through three offseasons, it has been nearly flawless.

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    Rookie Darrell Henderson might be perfect fit in Rams ‘change-of-pace’ role
    Some are comparing third-round draft pick’s explosiveness to Saints running back Alvin Kamara

    RYAN KARTJE

    link: https://www.ocregister.com/2019/05/11/rookie-darrell-henderson-might-be-perfect-fit-in-rams-change-of-pace-role/

    In March 2017, two months after he was hired as Rams coach, Sean McVay brought in a little-used veteran running back on a free-agent visit.

    Over five injury-riddled seasons in Dallas, Lance Dunbar didn’t play a featured role. He’d never reached 50 touches in a season and had just one career touchdown. Nonetheless, McVay saw in Dunbar an underutilized, all-purpose puzzle piece that could unlock his multifaceted offense. The slashing 5-foot-8 back, McVay believed, would be a perfect pass-catching complement to Todd Gurley. He told Dunbar his skillset reminded him of Chris Thompson, whose explosiveness as a diminutive change-of-pace back helped take his offense to another level in Washington.

    It seemed like a promising fit with Dunbar. Until his knee intervened.

    Soon after signing a $3 million deal with the Rams, the oft-injured back landed on the “physically unable to perform” list. He touched the ball in just two games in 2017, never quite regaining his explosiveness. The next March, he was cut.

    Ever since, the Rams have been searching for the right fit for a role McVay has long viewed as crucial to his offense. They considered a few options in the middle rounds of last year’s draft – a group which included the likes of Colts running back Nyheim Hines and Atlanta’s Ito Smith. But, Rams general manager Les Snead said, “a couple of enemies chose those change-of-pace backs ahead of us.”

    They couldn’t let the same scenario play out again. Whether or not Gurley’s knee is worse than the team has led on, the Rams already acknowledged the need to lighten his load. So they did their due diligence on many of the draft’s running backs. They were looking for “a very specific human being,” as Snead put it – a compact, explosive runner, with great hands and great vision, who could motion into the slot and run routes, but also take an off-tackle handoff, break through tackles and go the distance on a stretch play.

    By draft night, the Rams were sure they’d found their guy. His measurables suggested he was a perfect fit. They wondered if he might add “a Kamara element” to an offense that was already quite explosive without such a weapon. They even considered pouncing with the 45th overall pick to make sure another team wouldn’t swoop in.

    “We’ll play against him and you’ll feel it,” Snead warned the war room.

    So the Rams traded up, sacrificing a valuable compensatory third-round pick to move to No. 70.

    University of Memphis coach Mike Norvell was watching as picks ticked off the board in the third round, crossing his fingers that the Tigers’ top running back would wind up in an offense that suited his unique abilities. When the Rams finally selected Darrell Henderson, Norvell rejoiced.

    It was a perfect marriage, he thought.

    “I don’t know if there’s a better fit in the NFL for him than the Rams,” Norvell said.

    Norvell had already digested hours of the Rams offense over the past year, gleaning what he could. He noted how similarly he and McVay used running backs, deploying them all over the field. Memphis handed off to its backs out of shotgun formation more frequently. But like the Rams, the Memphis offense subsisted on a heavy dose of outside zone runs, which asked backs to run off tackle while patiently reading the defense before cutting upfield.

    The Rams ran more outside zone than any other team in the NFL last season. That scheme can be a difficult adjustment for some backs, but for the 5-foot-8 Henderson, it shouldn’t be an adjustment at all. Over the past two seasons, according to Pro Football Focus, he led all of college football with a staggering 10.7 yards per carry on such runs. Highlight reels offer endless examples of how Henderson’s extraordinary vision could translate to an NFL zone blocking scheme.

    “The number of explosive runs he’s had on stretch plays is incredible,” Norvell said. “I think he was the most dynamic back in college football last year because of it.”

    Henderson won’t even be the most dynamic back in his own backfield with the Rams, assuming Gurley returns to full health. But operating out of a committee isn’t a new concept for him, either. Even as he finished second in the nation in rushing last season, Henderson accounted for fewer than 35 percent of his own team’s rushing attempts.

    For Memphis, that was by design … to a point. Often, when Norvell resolved to give Henderson more carries, he broke off huge gains that rendered longer drives unnecessary. Norvell didn’t complain. Over the past two seasons, Henderson tallied 18 runs of 50-plus yards — an insane two-year total that no collegiate running back over the past decade can match.

    Still, in spite of that historic efficiency, Henderson shared carries with fellow running backs Patrick Taylor Jr. and Tony Pollard, who combined for 1,674 rushing yards and 22 touchdowns of their own last season.

    “To have multiple explosive backs that are able to stay fresh and able to put together a complete season, that’s important,” Norvell said. “When you look at the situation there, having Gurley, a guy who’s experienced, who’s one of the best, that can help both of their careers. They can be a dynamic duo.”
    It’s not difficult to envision such an arrangement, with Gurley, health pending, in the lead role. The Rams already dabbled with a two-back approach last season, as C.J. Anderson became a crucial part of their run to the Super Bowl. Now, with Henderson, they’ll have a more explosive second option to complement Gurley.

    What the Rams will ultimately get from the 2017 NFL Offensive Player of the Year in 2019 remains somewhat of a mystery. After missing two games at the end of last season with knee inflammation, then struggling through the playoffs, Gurley said in mid-April that his knee felt “pretty good”, but otherwise didn’t offer much detail. When asked if Henderson’s selection had anything to do with Gurley’s health, McVay shook his head.

    “This had to do with (Henderson’s) skillset,” McVay said. “He was a player that we identified as a unique playmaker. He can obviously do some things as a runner, but the versatility that he provides and some of the things he can do are what’s so enticing for us.”

    How quickly might we see that skillset at work? Norvell has seen enough of Henderson to know it probably won’t take long. Whether Gurley is healthy or not.

    “I don’t think Darrell is a guy that you want to put any limitations on what he can or can’t do,” Norvell said. “I believe he can do it all.”

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    Daniel Jeremiah@MoveTheSticks
    3 takeaways after studying player grades vs where they were picked:

    1) Bunch of LB’s were drafted above their talent level due to lack of depth this yr.

    2) Teams were patient drafting WR’s. The pool is deep, you can afford to wait.

    3) Speed & man skills drive safety value.

    Michael Silver@MikeSilver
    Speaking of smart coaches… Sean McVay, to me, earlier today: ‘There will be no game 7.’ But, no KD. ‘Yeah, but they have Steph and Klay and Draymond and Steve Kerr, and I know they will find a way.’

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    https://www.osdbsports.com/news/876442/natrez-patrick-plans-to-capitalize-on-chance-with-rams-after-turbulent-tenure-at-georgia

    Natrez Patrick plans to capitalize on chance with Rams after turbulent tenure at Georgia

    May 9th 2019 08:45 AMBy : OSDB

    By Cameron DaSilva —

    Natrez Patrick always had dreams of playing in the NFL. He was a standout in high school, a top recruit for the University of Georgia and someone who “looked the part” when it came to being a linebacker at the next level. Sure, he had flaws like every other player, but Patrick’s talent has always been apparent.

    What wasn’t certain was his maturity. Patrick was arrested three times in college for marijuana-related offenses, raising red flags about his character and off-field decision-making. His last arrest was in 2017, and since, he’s more than cleaned up his act. He’s become a different person and now has the opportunity to pursue his dream of making it to the NFL.

    “It definitely changed me as a person,” Patrick told OSDB Sports in a recent phone interview. “I had to grow up. I was making immature, young mistakes. I had to grow up. It helped me, I think. I wouldn’t change anything if I was to do it all over. Because it made me the person that I am today.”

    Patrick signed with the Los Angeles Rams as an undrafted free agent, getting the chance to prove he can make it as a pro. He was disappointed to not get selected by any of the 32 teams at the NFL Draft in Nashville, but Patrick is grateful just to have the chance to showcase his skills at the next level.

    If not for Georgia coach Kirby Smart, Patrick may not be where he is today. He wasn’t recruited by Smart, but Georgia’s then-new coach stood by Patrick and gave him the opportunity to continue playing football for the Bulldogs.

    “It meant everything. I had a pretty good relationship with Coach Smart going through the recruiting process (for Alabama), so he was no stranger,” said Patrick, who is from Atlanta. “Just for him to believe in me, to still want to keep me on the team and for the guys to rally around me. It just shows what type of man he is and how he wants to help kids rather than just his own personal gains or wins. I’m really grateful for it.”

    The lowest point of Patrick’s career was being checked into an in-patient rehab center in Augusta, Ga., where he addressed and received help for his addiction. While getting treatment, Patrick was forced to miss the Rose Bowl in 2018.

    The Bulldogs won a riveting shootout against Oklahoma, 54-48, to advance to the national championship. Patrick watched the Rose Bowl from the rehab center.

    “It was my low point. The only place I could go after that was up,” he said, “I elevated, I made my mind up and I made a conscious decision to do what was best for me, what was best for my family. I had no more selfish intentions and like I said, I went up – I elevated.

    “I went into my senior season with no issues. Nothing bad. Everything was just non-existent. I just feel like that situation helped me, being away from my team, being away from my coaches, being away from my family. Everything, it gave me some perspective.”

    Rehab wasn’t the only thing that helped Patrick become the person he is today. In addition to a scared-straight visit to a max-security prison, a motivational speaker by the name of Damon West guided Patrick, too.

    The former North Texas quarterback was sentenced to life in prison for drug abuse and burglary charges, but was released after seven-plus years. Since, West has used his mistakes to help steer youth away from a path he traveled.

    “Me and Damon found each other to have a great relationship, probably from circumstances I didn’t like. But he was a great help,” Patrick said. “He came in as a speaker and talked to the team at one fall camp. And after he heard my situation, he reached out and wanted to help and lay his hands on me and talk to me and kind of be a mentor for me to get my life in the right direction. I was really grateful for it. I was really appreciative of him for doing it because he didn’t have to. He’s busy, man. He’s touring everywhere and for him to just come and try to help me, one individual, it meant a lot to me.”

    Patrick was asked by teams about his past mistakes throughout the pre-draft process, and didn’t shy from the truth. He was honest about his situation and showed maturity by overcoming addiction.

    “It’s never really about what you are when you’re down. It’s about what are you like when you get up? Can you get up, and can you keep going?” he said. “Just the fact of those teams seeing my drive and being able to change my situation and make it a better situation for myself, I feel that spoke volumes. A team would really appreciate it that I’ve been through things. They know that I appreciate more, they know that I appreciate the opportunity.”

    Patrick is heading to Los Angeles for the Rams’ rookie mini-camp, which begins on Monday. On the field, he can play inside or outside linebacker, bringing physicality – which he says is his best trait – to the defense. Off the field, he’s hoping to prove the coaches and front office right for giving him the chance to join the Rams.

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    Yeah, thanks, but I think you are generous to call it a “knack for discussing.” That wasn’t a “discussion.” It was me doing my Filet thing, whatever the hell THAT is.

    Okay, then…you have a knack for explaining things to the Other Side. Even-keeled, clear, patient. Not everyone does have that knack.

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    They say before playing with a hurt shoulder in 2018, Edwards ranked higher. Well I tested that. Here are some early player rankings from before the 2018 season. (They’re usually from July or August). There’s 2 kinds of lists–top 10 (or top 5) at their position, or top 100 players lists. On top 10 (or 5) at a position lists, he’s usually around 4 or 5. In top 100 players lists, he gets slotted anywhere from 25 to 50-something.

    2019 NFL Draft: Here’s a super-early look at the top 100 prospects
    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-draft-heres-a-super-early-look-at-the-top-100-prospects/

    40. David Edwards, OT, Wisconsin

    Top 10 Offensive Tackles
    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2774100-2019-nfl-draft-matt-millers-early-big-board#slide6

    5. David Edwards, Wisconsin
    6. Bobby Evans, Oklahoma

    Top 150 college football players to watch in 2018: Nos. 1-50
    By Chad Reuter
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000931599/article/top-150-college-football-players-to-watch-in-2018-nos-150

    43. David Edwards – OT
    School: Wisconsin | Year: Junior (RS)

    Looking at Edwards now, it’s tough to picture him as the option quarterback he was in high school. He’s filled out his frame, and that’s paid major dividends, as he’s strong enough to handle bull rushes and still agile enough to reach linebackers to break open big runs for Jonathan Taylor and the rest of the Badgers’ running back crew.

    2019 NFL Draft prospect rankings — top 5 at every position
    BY PFF ANALYSIS TEAM • AUG 14, 2018
    https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-2019-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-top-5-at-every-position

    5. David Edwards, Wisconsin
    Strengths – Already incredibly patient in his pass sets, rarely overextending himself to land first punch.

    Room to improve in 2018 – Play strength is average at this point and isn’t much of a people mover.

    2019 NFL draft rankings
    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2018/8/30/17794992/2019-nfl-mock-draft-players-rankings-nick-bosa-ed-oliver-justin-herbert-dexter-lawrence

    21. David Edwards, OT, Wisconsin
    Wisconsin has the most talented offensive line in college football, and its packed with NFL players. Edwards, Wisconsin’s right tackle, is the best draft eligible player of the bunch. Edwards is a powerful run blocker and loves to finish plays.

    2019 NFL Draft Prospects
    link: https://www.nfldraftgeek.com/100-days-of-2019-nfl-draft-prospects/

    53. David Edwards OT Wisconsin
    Today’s #100Days of #NFLDraft Prospects looks at Wisconsin’s David Edwards and why he is considered an elite tackle prospect #Badgers https://t.co/4id1sGBgOW

    PRESEASON 2019 NFL DRAFT BIG BOARD
    https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/ledyards-preseason-2019-nfl-draft-big-board

    25. DAVID EDWARDS, OT, WISCONSIN
    Edwards shows excellent power, toughness and technique, but not offering the same range as a pass protector. His hand usage is so impressive for a recently-converted tight end that he may be able to survive most matchups without great traits.

    NFL Draft 2019: Early look at top five offensive linemen
    https://n.rivals.com/news/nfl-draft-2019-early-look-at-top-five-offensive-linemen

    4. DAVID EDWARDS, WISCONSIN

    Recruiting: Rated as a three-star athlete who was 6-foot-6 and 225 pounds in high school, Edwards committed to Wisconsin in the summer before his senior season. Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa State, Syracuse and Vanderbilt had also offered but Edwards stuck with Wisconsin through the coaching change from Gary Andersen to Paul Chryst.

    Stats: The Badgers averaged 223 rushing yards per game, five yards per touch and Jonathan Taylor emerged as one of the best running backs in the country after rushing for 1,977 yards and 13 touchdowns in his freshman season.

    Farrell’s take: Talk about a tough evaluation, Edwards has gone from athlete (quarterback) to offensive lineman, so I’m happy with our mid three-star rating out of high school. He could have projected to a few positions and was a good athlete who we thought would end up as a tight end. He also played defensive end, but had a huge frame so he could have ended up as a defensive tackle down the line as well. He is the perfect example of an offensive lineman with the feet of a tight end.

    A Very Early Look at the Potential Top 10 Picks
    By ALBERT BREER July 11, 2018
    https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/07/11/2019-nfl-mock-draft-nick-bosa-greg-little-jarrett-stidham

    TEN MORE PLAYERS TO WATCH
    David Edwards, OT, Wisconsin: He may have been the best right tackle in America last year, and he considered declaring for the draft. The NFL’s had success with OLs from Madison.

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    from 2019 NFL Draft: Ranking all 40 trades

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2019-nfl-draft-ranking-all-40-trades-from-cardinals-poor-return-for-josh-rosen-to-the-first-round-deal-at-no-1/

    39. Rams add Gurley insurance
    Rams get No. 70 (RB Henderson)
    Buccaneers get No. 94, 99
    I’m not surprised the Rams would want to bring in a plan B at the running back position after Todd Gurley dealt with injuries at the end of last year. I’m just surprised how big a price they paid to do it. They lost the value of the No. 167 pick to make the move, and I’m not sure about overpaying that much to go get running backs in this era of the NFL. I like Darrell Henderson as a prospect, but after bringing back Malcolm Brown, I think the Rams would have been smarter just keeping their pair of late third-round picks and going a different route at running back.

    38. Rams, Patriots make another deal
    Rams get No. 97 (OT Evans), 162
    Patriots get No. 101, 133
    The Rams initially got No. 101 by moving down in the second round in a deal with the Patriots, then got impatient once the end of Round 3 drew near and traded it back to the Patriots to move up a few spots for tackle Bobby Evans. The problem isn’t just the four-pick jump wasn’t worth falling back 29 picks in the rest of the deal, but that the Patriots at No. 101 took a tackle that could very well be better than Evans in Yodny Cajuste.

    17. Rams jump for D-line help
    Rams get No. 134 (DT Gaines), 243
    Patriots get No. 162, 167
    Good value here for the Rams thanks to getting that extra pick back in the deal, and Greg Gaines is a solid prospect who can help offset the loss of Ndamukong Suh to free agency. After they missed out on the top D-line talent in Round 1 and decided to trade back, Gaines was a solid fall-back option who didn’t come at a prohibitive price.

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    Junior entry and three year starter at RT. From Downers Grove, IL. Two year All-Big 10 second-team honours. Former high school QB who entered Wisconsin as a TE. A long torso tackle with good feet and base. Plays in both a two and three point stance. Excels in pass protection. Has the feet to kick step quickly or shuffle. Plays with a strong two-arm extension. Good initial arm push, balance, and use of hands. Alert on blitz pick up. Has physical tools as well as technique. Controlled aggression. Plays with attitude and effort. Has been known to get a few holding calls to protect his QB. Physical on double team blocks. Will overextend at times. Can be put on skates if loses his knee bend. Has functional strength but needs more upper body strength just putting up 16 reps at his pro day. Quick to cut off the inside path of a pass rusher. Powerful on down blocks. Smooth and patient on twists and “x” stunts. Rarely gives up pressure to put a QB in harm. Effective sealing linebackers at the second level. (second/third round).

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    I see why McVay values Henderson highly. He looked insanely good running outside-zone plays in college. He’s quick to the corner, and when he sees the crease, he plants his foot and explodes. He rips off big chunks with ease. He has instant acceleration.

    He’s a compact runner with a well-built frame at 5’8″ 208 pounds. He doesn’t have a lot of elusiveness, so he’s a guy who won’t create something out of nothing if you allow penetration. However, when he gets moving, he’s not easy to tackle. He has impressive contact balance when moving. When you combine that with his speed, him being a small target, and his physicality, he’ll break more tackles than you expect. Henderson also finishes runs with authority when he gets going. My one big complaint with him as a runner is that I don’t think he’s patient enough. He doesn’t anticipate what will happen and then use that to create seams. He sees it and goes instead of creating it himself (like elite runners can).

    In the passing game, he’s a very sure-handed player with speed to burn. He’ll have to get a better feel for route running and attacking coverages. He also needs to improve as a blocker. He has the strength, frame, and physicality, but the developed skill isn’t there.

    All in all, I understand why they chose Henderson. He fits the scheme well.

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    https://www.nfl.com/prospects/david-long?id=32194c4f-4e21-1243-8d29-d872277bf4f7

    Player Bio

    The Wolverines grabbed Long out of Los Angeles as a four-star and top-100 national recruit from Loyola High School. While Long played cornerback and was an outstanding receiver in high school, he suited up at corner for Michigan in four games as a true freshman in 2016 (no tackles). He had more of an impact on defense as a sophomore, posting 21 tackles, two for loss, two interceptions, and six pass breakups in 13 starts. Long broke up eight passes in 13 games (all starts) in 2018, also making 17 tackles and intercepting one pass, to earn first-team All-Big Ten honors.

    Analysis
    By Lance Zierlein
    NFL Analyst
    Draft Projection
    Round 3
    NFL Comparison
    J.C. Jackson

    Overview
    Death, taxes and David Long sitting under a receiver’s chin waiting to jam and bully the release – all three are inevitable. He lacks height, length and makeup burst, but it is hard to find tape where those areas came back to haunt him very often. He’s patient from press, stays connected to routes underneath, but may have to adjust to off-man and prove he can withstand vertical challenges against taller targets. He’s not as long, loose or fast as teams like, but he’s a consistent cover man with the talent to find reps early in his career.

    Strengths
    Weather-tested
    Quarterbacks rarely tried him and rarely completed those attempts
    Compact and physical
    Plays with cozy coverage in receiver’s chest underneath
    Strength and footwork to grind through the release
    Plays with excellent focus on the route
    Has speed to pace hip-to-hip downfield
    Parks under opponent’s chin from press
    Patiently waits out release fakes
    Rarely gets over-extended and out of balance
    Quick interchange of routes from short zone
    Tenacious competitor in all phases

    Weaknesses
    Short for an outside cornerback
    May need time to adjust if moved to slot
    Can be stacked by big bodies
    Lacks length to play around opponents and into passing lane
    Doesn’t have big makeup burst to chase
    Could struggle to handle downfield jump balls
    Shorter target to throw over in Cover-2
    Not much tape to gauge ability to survive outside of press
    Teams may view him as scheme-dependent

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    Los Angeles Rams NFL Draft big board
    Sosa shares his big board for the 2019 NFL Draft. Could the Rams think similarly?
    By Sosa Kremenjas@QBsMVP Apr 19, 2019, 8:30am CDT

    After much studying, deliberating, comparing, and dissecting, I’ve completed my Los Angeles Rams centric big board for the 2019 NFL Draft.

    Before we start, I want to outline how I managed to cut the list down to just these names. First, I excluded guys I’m 100% certain wont reach at least the late 20’s, or pick #31. Those exclusions include these players:

    iDL Quinnen Williams
    iDL Ed Oliver
    iDL Christian Wilkins
    LB Devin White
    EDGE Josh Allen
    EDGE Joey Bosa
    EDGE Montez Sweat
    EDGE Rashan Gary
    iOL Cody Ford
    OT Jonah Williams
    OT Andre Dillard
    OT Jawaan Taylor

    Second, I didn’t include any names from positions I believe the Rams wont have any interest in adding (at least with the early pick(s)). Those positions include quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers, and tight ends. Everything else is fair game.

    Enough talking, let’s jump into the big board. I’ll name the player, the position, the school, and a small outline of each guy. Let’s go:
    Round 1:

    We start off the big board with guys I’d be thrilled to stay put at pick #31 and select.

    1) EDGE Brian Burns, Florida State Seminoles

    Burns has it all. The guy is long and lanky, can drop in coverage, uses his hands well, bends like crazy, and is an explosive athlete. If by any chance (not much of one) God’s graces makes Burns available to the Rams, you sprint the card up to the podium.

    2) CB Byron Murphy, Washington Huskies

    The best corner in the class, Murphy is a zone specialist. His ball skills, football intelligence, and smooth transitions make him a sure bet to be a stud in the NFL. He’s such a comfortable projection that I’m willing to take him without thinking twice if he’s available.

    3) iDL Jeffery Simmons, Mississippi State Bulldogs *

    Simmons can do it all. Strong and active hands, plenty of moves when pass rushing, instant penetration, and strong at the point-of-attack. Simmons is a sure-fire top-10 talent in this draft class, though a torn ACL just a month or so ago (as well as a bad video from high school) might hold him out of the first round.

    4) EDGE Jachai Polite, Florida Gators *

    I’m not really sure what to make of Polite at this point. Work ethic concerns and immaturity are not things I can confirm or deny, but his game is fantastic. His game is predicated of speed rushing, though he can counter back inside when it isn’t there.

    5) C Erik McCoy, Texas A&M Aggies

    McCoy is the best pass blocking center in this draft, and that’s what gives him the edge for me over Bradbury. His ability to anchor and stonewall defenders is best-bar-none. Not to mention, he has good mobility and can work his way to the second level sealing off defenders.

    6) C Garrett Bradbury, North Carolina State Wolfpack

    Bradbury is the best run-blocking center in this draft. His ability to seal defenders, reach block, and work to the second level and grabbing linebackers is outstanding. He’s a masterful fit for a zone blocking scheme, and either he or McCoy would be massive additions. Another factor to consider here is the fact that McCoy is over two years younger than Bradbury, though both participated at the Senior Bowl.

    7) CB Greedy Williams, LSU Tigers

    Williams is a risky pick at this spot, but his upside does it for me. He’s a fluid, smooth mover with exceptional ball skills and has great spatial awareness. He’s also a fantastic athlete. On the other hand, he’s a horrible tackler and generally has no interest in tackling.

    8) iOL Dalton Risner, Kansas State Wildcats

    I’m not sure what Risner’s best spot is at the next level, but I do know he’ll be great at whichever he’s asked to play. Risner is an effortless mover who can pull and lead block for backs. He works his way to the second level and finishes blocks with the best of them. Pass pro looks simple for him.

    9) EDGE Clelin Ferrell, Clemson Tigers

    Fantastic effort and is a good run defender who uses his power to remain stout at the point-of-attack and re-set the line of scrimmage. He also has the quickness and hand usage to disengage blockers and knife his way into the backfield. He needs to develop a counter for when his initial pass rush is stifled. Ferrell possesses active hands and likely has a high floor and a high ceiling.

    10) S Nasir Adderley, Delaware Blue Hens

    In my opinion, Adderley is the best single-high safety in this class who has the versatility to do much more. He’s athletic enough to compete in the nickel spot, as well as physical enough to play near the line of scrimmage. Back to what he does best, his ball skills, range, and coverage ability on the backend edge everyone out for me.
    Round 2 (prefer trade back):

    These players I would be okay with at pick #31, though I would love if the Rams were capable of trading back from pick #31 and selecting them in the second round (with the new top-pick).

    11) iOL Chris Lindstrom, Boston College Eagles

    Lindstrom is a good athlete who passes off stunts in pass pro, has good quickness and the ability to move in space, and good hand usage in pass pro. He can be a lead blocker on screens and looks for work in pass pro.

    12) iDL Jerry Tillery, Notre Dame Fighting Irish

    Tillery has a good arsenal of pass rush moves, knows how to use his shoulders and bend around offensive lineman. He’s a good athlete who carries his weight well. Not great against the run, but his prowess as a pass rusher make him worth it alone.

    13) LB Devin Bush, Michigan Wolverines

    Bush is your typical linebacker in 2019. He’s not the best at stuffing the run or taking on massive offensive lineman, but he can use his athleticism to avoid blockers and make tackles. His speed, aggressiveness, and nastiness make him a highlight type player. He can play coverage because of his closing speed. He’s violent and has the ability to blitz. Great burst and can flip his hips quickly.

    14) S Darnell Savage Jr., Maryland Terrapins

    Savage trusts his eyes and he’s almost always right. He’s a punishing tackler who’s fantastic in open space. He’s got loads of closing speed and speed in general. Can play a variety of spots in the secondary. Sticky in coverage and can recover as a DB if he’s beaten. Good awareness in zone coverage.

    15) CB David Long, Michigan Wolverines

    Long is one of the best press-man cornerbacks in this draft class. He’s physical, does a great job pressing at the line of scrimmage, has great football intelligence, is sticky in coverage, and does a good job staying on a receivers hip. He turns his head and plays the ball when in coverage. Decent tackler.

    16) CB Sean Bunting, Central Michigan Chippewas

    Bunting lines up in press most of the time, though he can play some zone and even bail at the line of scrimmage. He’s abusive (in a good way) at the LOS. Bunting possess patient feet and hands and generally gets a good strike into a receivers chest plate to help re-route them right off the snap. His smooth hips allow him to transition smoothly. Good in coverage as well, and knows how to use the sidelines as help perfectly. Bunting will be the steal of the draft.

    17) EDGE Zach Allen, Boston College Eagles

    Can rush from either end spot or over guards. Has active hands and can time his swipe move well. Has a variety of ways to win off the edge which includes his swipe, counters, long-arms, power, rips, bull rushes, and even bend. Consistently pressures the QB. Gets his hands up when rushes aren’t near the QB, looks to swat passes. Solid run defender who sets the edge effectively. Good tackler. Not much wasted movements, gets to his assignment quick. Only question his fit in a 3-4 (could work but maybe not perfect), and if he can hold up full time on the edge in the NFL (lack of speed rush).

    18) EDGE Chase Winovich, Michigan Wolverines

    Winovich plays with relentless effort. His ability to run down ball carriers from the backside as an unblocked end are second-to-none. Can generate good power and knock back OL as a run defender. Smart enough to peel off rushes and play screens, and has active hands when rushing the passer. Variety of moves.

    19) CB Joejuan Williams, Vanderbilt Commdores

    Williams is a mountain of a man with unprecedented size at the cornerback position. He’s generally great at re-routing receivers at the LOS and delaying their released in press coverage. Good tackler who’s not afraid of contact. Can line up in off and break on a receiver effectively. Good job staying on a receivers hip pocket. Needs to be better turning his head around and playing the ball. When he does look at the ball, does a good job playing it and forcing receivers into contested catch situations.

    20) CB Rock Ya-Sin, Temple Owls

    Feisty player and willing tackler. Ya-Sin lined up a ton in press-man though he didn’t press a ton. Generally let a lot of receivers off the LOS clean, though it wasn’t necessarily a bad thing. Decent press skills. Looks to remove vertical threat first. Carries receivers vertically very well. Gets head around to play the ball and has great ball skills.

    21) CB DeAndre Baker, Georgia Bulldogs

    Lines up in press though he bails a lot. Can get flat footed at the snap which instantly leads to trail technique. Good in off coverage. Plays the ball well in the air, dislodges catches often. Deep speed is a question, though he wasn’t tested a ton in that regard. Is good in press when he actually does it, doesn’t allow clean releases.

    22) S Juan Thornhill, Virginia Cavaliers

    Incredible athlete with true positional versatility. Played CB, nickel, linebacker, cover-2, and single-high safety. Uses athleticism to duck under/avoid blocks as a LB. Solid tackler. Good football intelligence. Instinctive player who trusts his eyes and can read QB’s. Takes good angles to ball carriers. Very good in coverage, could even play CB in the NFL.

    23) CB Amani Oruwariye, Penn State Nittany Lions

    Not a great tackler, but generally gets the job done. Can line up in press or off, though he plays better with a cushion. Good job turning his head and playing the ball. Likes to use a cushion, sit on routes, read the QB, and break on the ball playing it in the air. Good job mirroring WR’s at the LOS. Smooth player who transitions well. Good awareness in zone coverage and good hands.

    24) S Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, Florida Gators

    Can literally line up anywhere on the backend, from cover-2, nickel, single-high, in the box, and more. Good job using his athleticism to avoid blockers and getting in on tackles. Has sideline-to-sideline range and always makes pass catchers pay with big hits. Can mask coverage and rotate post snap. Good in run support. Could play full-time nickel if he was asked to. Excellent tackler.
    Round 2 (need trade back):

    25) iDL Dexter Lawrence, Clemson Tigers

    Lawrence is a monster of a nose tackle. His power and quickness are akin to that of Vita Vea who was a high selection just one year ago. Active hands, powerful at the point of attack, stacks and sheds effectively, and can even use athleticism to knife into the backfield as a run defender.

    26) S Deionte Thompson, Alabama Crimson Tide

    One of the more complete single-high safety options in this draft, though he’s not strictly limited to that role. Can be useful in run support even though he’s not a safe tackler as his technique is all over the place. Can close in on a run quickly from a deep safety spot. Good coverage ability as a zone safety. Has some range. Super skinny.
    Round 3:

    27) S Taylor Rapp, Washington Huskies

    Rapp is an absolutely vicious hitter. Plays every snap like it’s his last. Capable blitzer. Not dynamic in coverage and a limited athlete. So good in run-and-chase situations. Can play coverage in split-coverage duties (cover-2). Not too sure on his man coverage ability, though have seen small flashes of ability. Takes great angles when attacking ball carriers. Great clock-and-close ability, breaks on receivers quickly.

    28) S Johnathan Abram, Mississippi State Bulldogs

    Explosive and fast athlete with good size. Super physical and very violent, lots of big hits. Played nickel, sub-package LB, some deep looks. Not great in deep coverage, though the upside is there to improve in man coverage. Similar to Keanu Neal/Jamal Adams. Great in run-and-chase situations. Often used as a blitzer. Great closing speed and pursuit as a run defender. Susceptible as a deep coverage option.

    29) CB Justin Layne, Michigan State Spartans

    Does a good job challenging receivers at the catch point, especially on in breaking routes. Can line up in press or off coverage, has the versatility to play in man or zone. Good tackler. Breaks on receivers pretty quickly. Think he has the potential to be much better on the line of scrimmage., can allow immediate separation on in-breaking routes. Nice backpedal and awareness in zone coverage. Good at carrying receivers vertically. Can play wide receiver and is a former receiver. Long and lanky frame. Does a good job riding receivers up the sidelines and staying on hip pocket when they outside release. Turns his head and looks for the ball.

    30) OT Kaleb McGary, Washington Huskies

    Looks to minimize distance between himself and rushers by jumping out right out of his stance. Powerful run blocker who moves his guy off the ball. Capable of pulling and being a lead blocker. Can seal out defenders by using their leverage and his own rotational strength. Whiffs sometimes. Has the ability to work up to the second level, though wasn’t asked to do it a ton. Generally solid in pass pro, though a quick speed rush can give him some issues. Capable of running guys right up the arc.

    31) S Sheldrick Redwine, Miami Hurricanes

    Awesome tackler and very physical player who makes sure ball carriers feel him. Versatility allowed him to play nickel, cover-2, single-high, sub-package LB, and in the box as a strong safety. Excellent at chasing down ball carriers and securing tackles. Just has a nose for the football. Takes solid angles to track down ball carriers. Would love to see more consistency in coverage, generally allowed easy completions on slants though his quick breaks on the ball and physicality allowed him to jar some catches loose. Can blitz. Has ball skills.

    32) iDL Khalen Saunders, Western Illinois Leathernecks

    Short squatty and powerful guy. When he gets off the ball he can be stout at the POA. Sometimes has a slow first step/get off. Powerful, keeps eyes in the backfield. Can stack blockers and shed when RB’s reach the LOS. Can rush off the edge, plays a lot of 0/1T. Good swim move, powerful bull rush, though generally not a pass rusher. When he vacates his gap, does a good job spinning back into it.

    33) iDL Dre’Mont Jones, Ohio State Buckeyes

    Incredibly active hands, loves to chop/swipe OL’s arms/hands. Likes his counter spin. Good athlete with good speed. Better than anticipated against the run, though he still isn’t great at it. Will make the occasional play against the run mostly. Nimble enough to use athleticism to go around blockers in the pass rush. Good push-pull move. Will do great as a penetrator at next level, no 2-gapping.

    34) CB Jamel Dean, Auburn Tigers

    Patient at the LOS and loves to re-route receivers with effective jams that cause difficult releases. Can line up in off coverage as well. Hardly ever gives receivers easy access to inside releases. Has an upright style. Gets stuck on blocks. Uses his leverage well to legally funnel receivers towards the sidelines. Can be beat on routes with sudden stops that work back towards the QB. Does a good job locating the ball when its thrown and making a play on it. Gets his head turned when the ball is in the air. Major injury concerns. Uses his hands very well. Very physical player, whether that’s in coverage or against the run. Pretty much always in good coverage, puts himself in a position to make a play quite often. Destroyed the combine.

    35) C Elgton Jenkins, Mississippi State Bulldogs

    Understands how to use a defenders’ leverage against him. Does a good job turning out defensive tackles to open a gap for a RB. Not the best anchor, can get walked back or jolted with initial punch. Most of his issues in terms of getting jacked back seem to be because he can get upright very quickly after the snap. Generally, looks for work in pass pro. Not a nasty finisher by any means, and not a powerful impact blocker. Decent athlete though I’d like to see more of him climbing to the second level and sealing off LB’s, not sure if he has the ability to consistently do it. Very effective in pass pro, hardly ever allows pressure.
    Round 4-7:

    36) EDGE Christian Miller, Alabama Crimson Tide

    Very active hands, looks to chop/swat OL’s arms away and not allow them into his chest. Has the ability to counter, used a long arm on one example. Can play on either side of the DL standing up or hand in the dirt. Can peel off rush and cover an RB into the flat. Can set the edge and funnel runs back inside against the run. Does a good job flattening to the QB in his rush. If initial chop doesn’t work, usually gets blocked easily. Sometimes he looks like he’s rushing with no plan, good athlete but not twitchy. Long arms. Burst off the ball isn’t great.

    37) ILB Mack Wilson, Alabama Crimson Tide

    Decent speed, over pursues too often. Pretty good at stacking and shedding, more often than not doesn’t allow blockers into him. Gets good depth in zone coverage between hashes. Solid tackler, wraps up in open field. Uses shoulder when ball carrier going down. Not a great space player. A lot of hit power. Solid burst, aware in zone coverage. More traditional LB. Peeled off blitz to run down screen. Solid blitzer. Almost always jumps to block passes.

    38) iDL Daylon Mack, Texas A&M Aggies

    Mack is a short squatty and powerful run stuffer who’s strong at the POA and has enough quickness and get off to occasionally effect the quarterback as a pass rusher. Powerful bull rush that can walk blockers back into the lap of QB’s. Active hands that he uses to leverage offensive lineman. Can get blown off the ball by double teams, and not a tremendously effective pass rusher.

    39) EDGE Jaylon Ferguson, Louisiana Tech Bulldogs

    Decent bend around the edge. Likes the swipe/rip combo when rushing. Pretty good at playing the run. Has enough power to set the edge and even re-set the LOS against tackles. Pretty slow. Historically terrible 3-cone and short shuttle. Strong and effective push-pull move. Not much of a counter. Didn’t play against great competition.

    40) EDGE Malik Reed, Nevada Wolfpack

    Positional versatility to play off-ball and at edge. On the floor far too often. Doesn’t really have a pass rush plan, generally just engages with blockers and is taken out of the play. Non-active hands, needs to improve a lot in that area. Good athlete who has bend around the edge and can win in that manner by dipping his shoulder. Good enough athlete to be useful in short zones in the NFL. Tweener size. At his best speed rushing, using his bend, and dipping his shoulder around the tackle. Seen a nice spin-counter on one occasion.

    There it is. Now, if for whatever reason a player isn’t there, it’s either because I excluded him (like I explained in the beginning) or simply haven’t watched him. I’ll try to watch more over the next week prior to the draft kicking off, and if that’s the case, I can always update the board. Regardless, this is what I’ve got for now.

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    My 2019 250 player Big Board

    A few notes before I get to the list:

    1. I have seen every player. Guys like Pipkins I have only seen in the Shrine Game. Others I have seen a ton. So my grading is not perfect.

    2. This is a board built from a scoring system and not where I think they will land in the draft. That is a predictive board. So I get Kyler Murray is going #1 or #2 or not #29 where I have him. Its where he scored.

    3. As far as scoring, its new to me. I grade a player on several categories (depending on position) on a 1-10 scale. Injuries do not come into play. Neither do red flags from off the field. Athletic testing is a category, so it will affect a score a bit. The one exception this year is #113, Polite, his combine and pro Day was such an epic failure I moved him into the 4th.

    4. I put break points in where my grades dropped from round to round. Not where the actual round ends, like #32 and #64 etc…

    5. I want to thank some people that helped me out directly or indirectly. Alyo, 21Dog, Dzrams, Leafnose, Sun, and Butcher. They answered questions, brought up players I missed or overlooked or just made me go over a prospect again.

    6. My top 10 lists per position are coming.

    7. I summarized each player to give you an idea of their strengths and weaknesses, if you see one with too many one or the other, it doesn’t mean he should be higher or lower.

    8. ask any questions you like.

    1. Nick Bosa – EDGE – Ohio State – 6′-4″ 266 lbs. – A kung fu fighter level expert with his hands, equally effective vs. run or pass. Polished skill set. immediate starter.

    2. Quinnen Williams – IDL – Alabama – 6′-3″ 303 lbs. – Explosive, with a great first step, nice lateral mobility and a high end motor. No glaring weaknesses.

    3. Josh Allen – EDGE – Kentucky – 6′-5″ 262 lbs. – Explosive, well oiled machine that can bend the edge and also drop into coverage effectively.

    4. Devin White -LB – LSU – 6′-0″ 237 lbs. – ILB with sideline to sideline speed and finishes with a thump. Stout against the run and fluid enough in space for pass coverage.

    5. Christian Wilkins – IDL -Clemson – 6′-3″ 315 lbs. – Another quick, penetrating DT with added size to hold his own against the run. I didn’t see a player with better pad level then Wilkins. Ultra high character from all reports.

    6. D.K. Metcalf – WR -Mississippi – 6′-3″ 228 lbs. – a size/speed/strength trifecta. Plays like an alpha, his explosiveness combined with his size is just too much for most CBs to handle. His physicality makes press man a bad idea, allowing him even more cushion.

    7. Jeffery Simmons – IDL – Mississippi State – 6′-3″ 301 lbs. – Graded strictly on on-field play. A quick, penetrating DT, best suited for a 1 gap scheme. A punisher when he gets home.

    8. Clelin Ferrell – EDGE – Clemson – 6′-4″ 264 lbs. – Can play from a 2 or 3 point stance, has multiple pass rush moves and holds the edge against the run.

    9. Jonah Williams – OT – Alabama – 6′-5″ 302 lbs. – Strength, a good anchor and light on his feet. Has played RT and LT and would work inside. Good technique and plays under control.

    10. Byron Murphy – CB – Washington – 5′-11″ 190 lbs. – Physical, great ball skills, with an oily lower half, works in any coverage scheme and the smarts to play right away.

    11. Ed Oliver – IDL – Houston – 6′-2″ 287 lbs. – Ultra athletic with enough strength to force the issue against the pass and the run. Lives in opposing backfields. 1 gap 3 tech.

    12. Brian Burns – EDGE – Florida State 6′-5″ 249 lbs. – Another twitchy, quick pass rusher that uses a variety of moves and angles to get to the QB. My top pure pass rusher. Not as strong against the run.

    13. Rashan Gary – EDGE – Michigan – 6′-4″ 277 lbs. – Could play inside and out on the DL. Flashes crazy skill set at times, but hasn’t had the stats to back it up.

    14. Andre Dillard – OT – Washington State – 6′-5″ 315 lbs. – A highly athletic LT, light on his feet with a great mirror. Pass blocking is alot more advanced then run blocking simply due to WSUs offense. Needs to add some strength.

    15. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson – S – Florida – 5′-11″ 210 lbs. – A scheme transcendent FS that can play man, zone and even in the slot. A rare blend of instincts, range, speed and ball skills make him a versatile defender for a teams back end.

    16. Cody Ford – IOL – Oklahoma – 6′-4″ 229 lbs.– played heavier than listed weight. Excellent athlete for his size and could play RT, power for days and a great anchor makes him impossible to move, oh and a mauling finisher.

    17. K’Neal Harry – WR – Arizona State – 6′-2″ 228 lbs. – another big, strong WR. Great straightline speed, a bit tight creating some seperation issues, but overcomes with size and clamp like hands. Tough runner after the catch. Would work wonderfully in a vertical offense and in the redzone in any offense.

    18. Noah Fant – TE – Iowa – 6′-4″ 249 lbs. – Crazy athletic for a TE, combined with his route running and 4.5 speed, makes him a matchup problem. Run blocking improved this year. Can play in-line, flexed out or out of the backfield.

    19. Jawaan Taylor – OT – Florida – 6′-5″ 312 lbs. – RT that outplayed his LT-mate. Strong, big and athletic, an easy mover with heavy hands. Technique is still a work in progress. Can he slide over to the left side?

    20. Garrett Bradbury – IOL – NC State – 6′-3″ 306 lbs. – ultra-athletic for an OC, a technician, can anchor, high IQ. Always under control. Zone blocking scheme fit.

    21. Montez Sweat – EDGE – Mississippi State – 6′-6″ 260 lbs. – long and explosive, uses his hands well but lacks that flexibility to make him an elite pass rusher. At his best in a 3 point stance.

    22. Chris Lindstrom – IOL – Boston College – 6′-4″ 308 lbs. – strong with a powerful lower half to anchor, moves very well and with good form, he plays to the whistle all game long. A no holes but not elite OG. Fits any scheme.

    23. Devin Bush jr. – LB – Michigan – 5′-11″ 234 lbs. – Another sideline to sideline playmaker at ILB, he plays with a high end motor and looks to finish. Strong against the pass and the run.

    24. Nasir Adderley – S – Delaware – 6′-0″ 206 lbs. – Another swiss army knife FS that can play anywhere and comes with a CB background. Physical and not afraid of contact, sideline to sideline with ball skills. FCS competition isn’t much of a concern.

    25. AJ Brown – WR – Mississippi – 6′-1″ 226 lbs. -Another strong, athletic WR that is slippery in the open field. I like him in the slot, but you can move him around. Good, not great speed.

    26. T.J. Hockenson – TE – Iowa – 6′-5″ 251 lbs. – your more traditional seam splitter with the ability to inline block. More athletic then your typical “big” TE. Decent speed, but not the HR hitter Fant is. he works in any offense.

    27. Dexter Lawrence – IDL – Clemson – 6′-5″ 342 lbs.– A true NT that can dictate the LoS against the run and has rare athleticism for a man his size to press the gaps as a pass rusher. Immediate 2 down starter.

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    28. Greedy Williams – CB – LSU – 6′-2″ 185 lbs. -another big, fast (sub 4.4) Cb that plays with swagger. Fluid athlete and has good ball skills. Allergic to tackling and was a bit up and down this season. Legit #1 size, athleticism and skill set.

    29. Kyler Murray – QB – Oklahoma – 5′-10″ 207 lbs. – Ok in the accuracy dept., he is a playmaker with a fantastic arm and good mechanics, elite level athlete, his size scares the heck out of me, 1 year starter.

    30. Joshua Jacobs – RB – Alabama – 5′-10″ 220 lbs. – Great vision and enough juice to play inside and enough power to grind inside. Good pass catcher. Lacks a HR gear. Plenty of tread left on the tires from low usage at Alabama.

    31. DeAndre Baker – CB – Georgia – 5′-11″ 193 lbs.– ball skills are tremendous, plays physically and with the swagger of a #1, not as fast you want in a #1. Works in a variety of schemes imo.

    32. Chase Winovich – EDGE – Michigan – 6′-3″ 256 lbs. – Under-rated speed and athleticism, high motor and high IQ, sideline to sideline defender that can play the run and the pass, 3 down defender.

    33. Dalton Risner – OT – Kansas State- 6′-5″ 312 lbs. – Mauler, a strong, nasty mauler. RT that wants to finish you play after play. Experienced with good technique. 24 years old, so a bit older. man power scheme. I like him at RT, some may like him inside.

    34. Mack Wilson – LB – Alabama – 6′-1″ 240 lbs. – Probably the top pass defender at LBer in the draft. Could play with more physicality against the run. Didn’t play as instinctually as White or Bush.

    35. Irv Smith Jr. – TE- Alabama – 6′-2″ 242 lbs. – measured smaller then I expected. A do it all TE that blocks well, can work the seam and has a bit of juice after the catch that makes him a tough matchup.

    36. Erik McCoy – IOL – Texas A&M – 6′-4″ 303 lbs. – An OC/OG prospect with a nice blend of power and athleticism. plays under control with good technique. power or zone fit.

    37. Jerry Tillery – IDL – Notre Dame – 6′-6″ 295 lbs. – Great size and strength to handle the run and get after the QB. When he puts everything together, he is tough to stop. I thought he ran too hot and cold to be a first round pick.

    38. Charles Omenihu – IDL – Texas – 6′-5″ 280 lbs. – great length with a great get off, really put pressure on offensive lineman with his blend of size, strength and athleticism. He was a DE, but if he grows a bit into that frame, he could be another penetrating 3 tech.

    39. Taylor Rapp – S – Washington – 6′-0″ 208 lbs. – a SS with ok range. He’ll earn his paycheck playing closer to the LoS and being that extra run stopper. Physical with an edge.

    40. Amani Oruwariye – CB – Penn State – 6′-2″ 205 lbs. – sub 4.5 speed, and tested out of the gym at the combine. smooth athlete that plays up to his size. Works in any scheme.

    41. Deebo Samuel – WR – South Carolina – 5′-11″ 214 lbs. – Good hands, excellent route runner with a well oiled frame, and you have a slot WR that you can do a bunch of things with.

    42. Rock Ya-Sin – CB – Temple – 6′-0″ 192 lbs. – great name, good, not great speed and is a bit stiff in his movement, although its not something that hinders him too much. Physical and makes plays on the ball. man corner

    43. Kelvin Harmon – WR – NC State – 6′-3″ 221 lbs. -Another over the top vertical threat that plays with a bit of an edge to him. Not an all world athlete, but enough combined with his release and route running to create enough seperation.

    44. Damien Harris – RB – Alabama – 5′-10″ 216 lbs. – More of a power back, but is a smooth mover that can catch the football. Good vision and an ability to bounce it outside.

    45. Marquise Brown – WR – Oklahoma – 5′-9″ 166 lbs. -a HR hitter that is quick, fast and hard to get your hands on. A threat to house it every time he touches the ball. Big question: can that frame handle NFL abuse?

    46. Julian Love – CB – Notre Dame – 5′-11″ 195 lbs. – smooth, but not fast. Physical, with outstanding ball skills. Advanced footwork. I think he works in a variety of schemes.

    47. Jace Sternberger – TE – Texas A&M – 6′-4″ 251 lbs. – a free moving TE with very good hands and good speed. Won’t be confused with Hockenson as a blocker, but hilds his own. A prototypical TE with only 1 year of production under his belt.

    48. D’Andre Walker – EDGE – Georgia – 6′-2″ 251 lbs. – Stout against the run with a developing pass rush skill set, high motor, 1 year starter so room to grow.

    49. Trayvon Mullen – CB – Clemson – 6′-2″ 199 lbs. – Grabby and inconsistent, but man are all the traits there to be a #1. Size, speed, and he doesn’t shy away from contact. Press man seems like his best position.

    50. Daniel Jones – QB – Duke – 6′-5″ 221 lbs. – NFL size, great mechanics, enough arm to make all the throws and real good short and intermediate accuracy. A plus athlete. Came from a play action offense so his learning curve is small.

    51. David Edwards – OT -Wisconsin – 6′-6″ 308 lbs. – Another strong, mobile OT from Wisconsin. RT or possibly RG, he is well coached but lags a bit behind because he is still transitioning from TE.

    52. Juan Thornhill -S – Virginia- 6′-0″ 205 lbs. – If your shopping for a ballhawk FS, here you go. On top of that, his combine testing was otherworldly. He doesn’t play that explosively, but he has plenty of juice. Solid tackler.

    53. Deionte Thompson – S – Alabama – 6′-1″ 195 lbs. – Another rangey FS, Like most Alabama defenders, he’s aggressive. 1 year starter and his inexperience or instincts (not sure which) got him in trouble at times.

    54. Christian Miller – EDGE – Alabama – 6′-3″ 247 lbs. – tough and aggressive, more fluid than explosive, still fairly inexperienced as a starter, solid against the run. Love his upside.

    55. Hakeem Butler – WR – Iowa State- 6′-5″ 227 lbs. – Yet another size/strength/long speed trifecta. For a big guy he runs good routes, but his money is deep along the boundry, back shoulders and redzone catches. Tough to bring down 1 on 1.

    56. Johnathan Abram – S – Mississippi State- 5′-11″ 205 lbs. – A old school hammer dropping SS that sets the tone from the backend. Sideline to sideline with bad intentions. Lack of coverage ability drops him down in my book.

    57. Dwayne Haskins – QB – Ohio State – 6′-3″ 231 lbs. – NFL size, a good arm, overall good accuracy. Mechanics are a mess and will need to be retooled from the floor up. 1 year starter that needs time.

    58. Greg Little – OT – Mississippi – 6′-5″ 310 lbs. – Has the size, agility and strength to be a high calibur LT, but yet he just is too inconsistant at this point in his development. I am not sure what is holding him back.

    59. Drew Lock – QB – Missouri – 6′-4″ 228 lbs. – Prototypical size and big arm, plays with some swagger (some like some don’t, I don’t), OK mechanically and ok as an athlete. Most experience amongst the top tier of QBs.

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    60. David Montgomery – RB – Iowa State – 5′-10″ 222 lbs. – Not bursty, but his balance/ footwork is great, size for a #1 back, can catch and block on 3rd down, power back.

    61. Zach Allen – EDGE – Boston College – 6′-4″ 281 lbs. – another tough and aggressive run defender, high motor, high IQ. Enough experience to start day 1. 43 end from a 3 point stance.

    62. Michael Deiter – OT – Wisconsin – 6′-5″ 309 lbs. – He has played every line position, very athletic, with functional strength, and like every Wisc. OL, he has been well coached and has advanced technique.

    63. Riley Ridley – WR – Georgia – 6′-1″ 199 lbs. – dynamic WR that is a good route runner that maintains speed in and out of his breaks, fluid athlete and has that #1 wr attitude.

    64. Justin Layne – CB – Michigan State – 6′-2″ 192 lbs. – WR convert with ball skills that has some physicality to his game, but is going to need to be taught the finer points of being a CB.

    65. Yodny Cajuste – OT – West Virginia – 6′-5″ 312 lbs. – He has power for days and is a smooth mover in space given his size. I think he works in a zone or man power blocking scheme.

    66. Dru Samia – IOL – Oklahoma – 6′-5″ 305 lbs. – Great athlete for a OG, that uses superior technique over power and plays to the whistle all day. perfect zone blocker.

    67. Parris Campbell – WR – Ohio State – 6′-0″ 205 lbs. – Great speed, great athlete, route running and play strength need to improve. Get him the ball early and let him use that speed.

    68. Devin Singletary – RB- FAU – 5′-7″ 203 lbs. – Great vision, jitter bug in his movement, didn’t catch much in college. Always looking to hit the big one.

    69. Vosean Joseph – LB – Florida – 6′-2″ 230 lbs – a WLBer with side to side speed and the skill set to matchup with TEs or RBs in the passing game. Play strength and slow reaction at times is an issue, making him a 43 WLB only.

    70. Dre’Mont Jones – IDL – Ohio State – 6′-3″ 281 lbs. – lack of an anchor against the run pushes him down the board, his burst, athletic ability and a nice changeup of pass rush moves gives him a place to rush the passer from the inside on passing downs.

    71. Elgton Jenkins – IOL – Mississippi State – 6′-5″ 310 lbs. – OC that has good size and a nice blend of athletic ability and power. Neither will wow you, but he will work in any scheme.

    72. Daylon Mack – IDL – Texas A&M – 6′-1″ 336 lbs. – Size, strength and surprising explosiveness. He’s a NT that can anchor at the point of attack or use that 1st step to disrupt a gap. Not going to be a real pass rush threat.

    73. Miles Sanders – RB – Penn State – 5′-11″ 211 lbs. – bell cow size and a nice blend of power and good footwork, 1 year starter behind Barkley, good pass catcher, lead all RBs with 4 fumbles lost last year.

    74. Gerald Willis – IDL – Miami – 6′-2″ 302 lbs. – runs a bit hot and cold, but when hot he is tough to stop. has shown multiple pass moves, has decent get off at the snap and his power is decent for the position.

    75. Ben Powers – IOL – Oklahoma – 6′-4″ 307 lbs. – the power of the 2 Oklahoma OGs, plays controlled and just out works the guy across from him. Not the most fluid athlete. Power block scheme.

    76. Amani Hooker – S – Iowa – 5′-11″ 210 lbs. – a SS with good range and excellent ball skills. Not bursty, but his intelligence and anticipation keep him in every play. Excellent tackler.

    77. Khalen Saunders – IDL – Western Illinois – 6′-0″ 324 lbs. – Length is an issue, but he is a stout anchor with his built in leverage and strength. Has enough athletic ability to rush the passer, although its not his strong suit. Wore down in the games I saw. FCS level of competition.

    78. Dax Raymond – TE – Utah State – 6′-5″ 255 lbs. – another smooth mover with natural hands and will create problems for S/LBers down the middle of the field. Effort blocker.

    79. Oshane Ximines – EDGE – Old Dominion – 6′-3″ 253 lbs. – a one man wrecking crew at OD with a variety of pass rush moves and a high rev motor. Will need some coaching to fulfill his potential.

    80. Joejuan Williams – CB – Vanderbilt – 6′-4″ 211 lbs. – Really tall for a corner, but isn’t as stiff as I imagined him. Add his physicality and you have a big press corner or a FS.

    81. JJ Arcega-Whiteside – WR – Stanford – 6′-2″ 225 lbs. – A big possession reciever in the NFL that makes contested catch after contested catch. A chain mover and a redzone threat with good hands.

    82. Terrill Hanks – LB – New Mexico State – 6′-2″ 242 lbs. – another 43 WILL. Plays faster then his timed speed and is a converted S. Coverage and range are his bread and butter, needs to get stronger (which shouldn’t be an issue)

    83. Dawson Knox – TE – Mississippi – 6′-4″ 254 lbs. – NFL size with sneaky speed, under-used in a crowded pass catching group. Good hands with a bit of wiggle that makes him dangerous in the open field. Willing blocker.

    84. Will Grier – QB – West Virginia – 6′-3″ 217 lbs. – A gunslinger, good, not great arm. good mobility, plays fearlessly, good accuracy, needs to clean up some mechanical things and take care of the ball better.

    85. Renell Wren – IDL – Arizona State – 6′-5″ 318 lbs. – strength and length are his calling cards (30 reps with 34″ arms is really impressive) easy mover both laterally and going forward. Leverage can be an issue and really just needs to be coached up.

    86. Devine Ozigbo – RB – Nebraska – 5′-11″ 222 lbs. – He’s got a nice power/ speed combo that you can’t teach, runs hard and has some explosion to him, good pass catcher, only 1 real year of production.

    87. Connor McGovern – IOL – Penn State – 6′-5″ 308 lbs. – A nice blend of power and athleticism that is more fluid then one would expect. needs technique work and lunges at times, but has a nasty demeanor.

    88. Darnell Savage – S – Maryland – 5′-10″ 198 lbs. – What I consider a combo safety that has excellent ball skills like a FS, yet plays a fast, aggressive thumping style that you expect from a SS. Can bite a bit too much and get over-aggressive at times, but I love his game.

    89. Elijah Holyfield – RB – Georgia – 5′-10″ 217 lbs. – Not c=going to be mistaken for a HR threat, but light on his feet and good vision, a thumper. Now mileage, not used to catch passes.

    90. Emanuel Hall – WR – Missouri – 6′-2″ 201 lbs. – A ridiculous athlete in a great frame for a WR. Not the most natural of hands, will needto be coached up on route running. But he has the full package.

    91. David Long – CB – Michigan – 5′-11″ 196 lbs. – Solid in a word. Solid speed, solid athletic profile, solid in his movement from the waist down. Nothing that wows you. An NFL weight room is going to do him wonders.

    92. Nate Davis – IOL – Charlotte – 6′-3″ 316 lbs. – Interesting blend of power and flexibility. G/T prospect that has to move inside due to lack of length. I think he works in power man or zone blocking schemes.

    93. Marquise Blair – S – Utah – 6′-1″ 195 lbs. – A nice size/speed S with an ultra-physical demeanor. Needs to clean up missed tackles and didn’t make a ton of plays when the ball was in the air, but has all the tools. played some LBer which limited his coverage opportunities.

    94. Clayton Thorson – QB – Northwestern – 6′-4″ 222 lbs. – Good arm strength, ability to read the field, moves around ok, accuracy is off and on, solid mechanics. Good size for the position.

    95. Kahale Warring – TE – San Diego State – 6′-5″ 252 lbs. – High upside prospect that was late to football after being a water polo player. Good speed and great size/frame for a TE. His blocking is OK.

    96. Ben Banogu – EDGE – TCU – 6′-4″ 250 lbs. – Long and athletic build, I love his balance of being solid against the run and his ability to convert speed to power as a pass rusher. Still a bit raw.

    97. Jamel Dean – CB – Auburn – 6′-1″ 206 lbs. – ran a 4.31 but doesn’t play that fast, a bit stiff thru the middle allowing separation coming out of his backpedal. That said, he plays tough (including playing with a cast on his hand) is fast enough and has all the physical attributes a team is looking for.

    98. Cameron Smith – LB – USC – 6′-2″ 238 lbs – ILB with the best instincts in the class. Solid run defender with excellent pursuit skills, a bit stiff which limits his pass coverage.

    99. Kaleb McGary – OT – Washington – 6′-7″ 317 lbs. – A mauler with plenty of size and experience. He isn’t the most nimble or athletic OL, but he gets the job done. Technique could use some cleaning up to get the most out of his skill set. Man power scheme fit.

    100. DaMarkus Lodge – WR – Mississippi – 6′-2″ 202 lbs. – Mostly unknown due to Brown and Metcalf, but he is a physical, athletic WR that has run a limited tree. Drops are my biggest issue with him.

    101. Darrell Henderson – RB – Memphis – 5′-8″ 208 lbs. – Slippery in space with HR speed, didn’t catch a ton of passes, doesn’t carry the size to consistantly run between the tackles, but is willing.

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    102. Germaine Pratt – LB – NC State – 6′-3″ 240 lbs. – Another S convert with good coverage skills, but is slow to process everything in front of him. I think he is best as a Will in the NFL.

    103. Josh Oliver – TE – San Jose State – 6′-5″ 249 lbs. – Good, not great speed, plays with some physicality to his game, athletic with a large catch radius makes him a tough matchup in hte seam before and after the catch. Blocking could use work.

    104. Myles Gaskin – RB – Washington – 5′-9″ 205 lbs. – Operates well in space. Good pass catcher, can work inside and out. A lot of touches.

    105. Terry McLaurin – WR – Ohio State – 6′-0″ 208 lbs. – Stumbled on him watching Campbell. Outstanding deep speed (4.34), nice route runner that has run an advanced tree at OSU. Route running combined with 4.3 speed makes for a tough matchup for a CB.

    106. Daniel Wise – IDL – Kansas – 6′-3″ 281 lbs. – A 1 gap scheme penetrator that has enough get off to get after the QB. Not enough sand in his pants to hold up against the run. Had a nice Shrine Bowl Week.

    107. Joe Giles-Harris – LB – Duke – 6′-2″ 234 lbs. – A stack and shed ILBer with some coverage ability. Won’t wow you sideline to sideline, but makes up for it with excellent instincts and reaction times.

    108. Tytus Howard – OT – Alabama State – 6′-5″ 322 lbs. – quite the package of size, strength and athleticism. But he is raw. Sushi raw. He could work inside or out, in probably any scheme. I say that because he is raw. Did I mention how raw he is?

    109. Te’Von Coney – LB – Notre Dame – 6′-1″ 234 lbs. – A between the tackles, tough, thumping gap filler. Athletic limitations make him a poor defender against the pass. ILB only, lacks the range to play outside.

    110. Benny Snell – RB – Kentucky – 5′-10″ 224 lbs. – a power back that works smoothly from the inside out. Has enough wiggle to make you miss and enough strength to run you over. Good in pass pro. lacks HR speed.

    111. Isaac Nauta – TE – Georgia – 6′-3″ 244 lbs. – He is a ferocious blocker and a load to bring down with the ball in his hands, but his athletic profile and 4.9 speed reinforces that he is more of a sit down in zones type of TE in the passing game.

    112. Jaquan Johnson – S – Miami – 5′-10″ 191 lbs. – A bit of a tweener, size of a FS, aggressiveness of a SS. Good range, but hasn’t made a ton of plays on the ball. Does give you some scheme flexibility.

    113. Jachai Polite – EDGE – Florida – 6′-3″ 258 – A well oiled, explosive pass rusher with a high motor. needs to play around 245 to 250. I have changed how I grade and have taken red flags out, but his showing at the combine and pro day cannot be overlooked. If he pulls his head out, he will be a day 3 steal, or he’s out of the league in a year or 2.

    114. Kyle Shurmur – QB – Vanderbilt – 6′-4″ 230 lbs. – great size for the position, good arm, comes from a play action, under center offense so learning curve will be smaller, erratic with accuracy.

    115. KeeSean Johnson – WR – Fresno State – 6′-1″ 201 lbs. – Advanced route runner with strong hands (never saw him drop a ball in any game I watched) average athletic ability. His size, route running and hands will allow him to line up anywhere as a possession WR.

    116. David Long – LB – West Virginia – 5′-11″ 227 lbs. – a tweener Big nickel backer/ 43 Will backer. Good instincts with a bit of thump and ability to drop into coverage. Lacks the size to hold up well against the run or shed effectively.

    117. Max Scharping – OT – Northern Illinois – 6′-6″ 327 lbs. – I love his size/athletic combination. Will need to be developed, but he could play either tackle spot, or inside at OG.

    118. Bruce Anderson – RB – NDSU – 5′-11″ 210 lbs. – great size and power, good lateral movement to bounce runs outside, plus pass catcher, good in pass pro, lacks long speed. kick returning is a plus.

    119. Ryan Connelly – LB – Wisconsin – 6′-2″ 242 lbs. – Heady player doing his best work coming forward. ILB only, coverage isn’t his strong suit.

    120. Jaylon Ferguson – EDGE – Louisiana Tech – 6′-5″ 270 lbs. – 43 end only, holds a strong edge against the run, excellent hand fighter as a pass rusher, lacks athleticism to be anything more then a mediocre rusher at the NFL level.

    121. Beau Benzschawel – IOL – Wisconsin – 6′-6″ 309 lbs. – Not a smooth mover, but his forte is moving large bodies with his power. Technique needs some refining. OG in a power blocking scheme.

    122. Justice Hill – RB – Oklahoma State – 5;-10″ 198 lbs. – a hr hitter (4.40) with excellent balance/footwork. Plenty of pass catches in college, offers little in the form of power.

    123. Joe Jackson – EDGE – Miami – 6′-4″ 275 lbs. – 43 end only, solid against the run, not explosive enough to be a feared pass rusher. Power over agility as he matured.

    124. Brett Rypien – QB – Boise State – 6′-2″ 210 lbs. – Accurate with good mechanics from the ground up, won’t wow you with athleticism but isn’t a statue either, plays under control, lacking a bit of arm strength.

    125. Andy Isabella – WR – UMass – 5′-9″ 188 lbs. – DZ special right here. He talked me into going back and looking him over. glad I did. Elite speed affords him a cushion, elite explosiveness in and out of breaks allows him separation. Can get manhandled in press coverage, but he’s a fighter. Slot only, but could be extremely dangerous. in the right offense.

    126. Justin Hollins – EDGE – Oregon – 6′-5″ 248 lbs. – A quick twitch pass rusher that wins on speed and quickness, needs to add strength before he is a 3 down 34 edge. The package is there though.

    127. Trayveon Williams – RB – Texas A&M – 5′-8″ 206 lbs. – Decent power and elusiveness for his size, he is excellent in all aspects of the passing game, lacks vision (I saw him just run right into piles too often).

    128. Kaden Smith – TE – Stanford – 6′-5″ 255 lbs. – Soft, reliable hands and excellent size, doesn’t win with speed or strength, relies on going over the top of defenders and highpointing balls or sitting down in a zone. Needs to add strength to be a better all around TE.

    129. Stanley Morgan Jr. – WR – Nebraska – 6′-0″ 202 lbs. – Very nuanced route runner with natural hands and 4.5 speed. Not the most explosive athlete, but is athletic. Gets after it as a blocker.

    130. Terry Godwin – WR – Georgia – 5′-11″ 184 lbs. – Shifty athlete with decent hands and is a great route runner. Has a narrow frame that might not carry much more weight, so slot is his NFL spot,

    131. Bobby Evans – OT – Oklahoma – 6′-4″ 312 lbs. -A smooth moving, athletic OT with decent power and a good anchor. Run blocking is ahead of his pass blocking. ZBS fit.

    132. Kingsley Keke – IDL – Texas A&M – 6′-3″ 288 lbs. – an advanced set of pass rush moves coupled with his athletic traits make him a decent pass rush specialist lacking an anchor against the run. Needs to play with more energy.

    133. L.J. Collier – EDGE – TCU – 6′-2″ 283 lbs. – Exact opposite of Banogu, not a twitchy athlete, more of a brute both against the run and the pass. Plays with a good motor. 43 DE only.

    134. Bryce Love – RB – Stanford – 5′-9″ 200 lbs. – Elusive runner with speed to take it to the house, a former Heisman candidate that has fought injuries for 2 years.

    135. David Sills V – WR – West Virginia – 6′-3″ 211 lbs. – QB turned WR, so he understands coverage. He’s a sneaky vertical threat. Mechanically sound route runner with good, not great, hands. Size to work in the redzone, otherwise a possession receiver.

    136. Mike Edwards – S – Kentucky – 5′-10″ 205 lbs. – Another solid run defending FS with great instincts, but lacks real range. Aggressive, but not to a hinderance. Slot CB/Big Nickel/FS/SS depending on what a team wants from him.

    137. Michael Jackson – CB – Miami – 6′-1″ 210 lbs. – Strong and physical style of play with decent play speed and good not great movement skills. Good in run support. translate to an NFL press man corner.

    138. Lonnie Johnson Jr – CB – Kentucky – 6′-2″ 213 lbs. – great speed and agility for a big CB but has no ints. to show for it. Would liked to have seen more aggression out of him.

    139. T.J. Edwards – LB – Wisconsin – 6′-0″ 230 lbs. – A nice fit as a 34 ILB, a tad undersized, but that is the way the NFL is going. Plays well moving forward and can hold his own in zone coverage. Too tight to turn and run with TEs. Like his teammate Connelly, good instincts.

    140. Rodney Anderson – RB – Oklahoma – 6′-0″ 224 lbs. – as his size suggests, he’s a power back that has surprising athleticism and burst. Not a long speed back, but at the same time is a good pass catcher. ACL tear Sept. 8th of 2018.

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    141. Drew Sample – TE – Washington – 6′-5″ 255 lbs. – Used primarily as a blocker, he is a decent pass catcher with good hands and a huge catch radius. Decent speed, average athleticism.

    142. Antoine Wesley – WR – Texas Tech – 6′-4″ 206 lbs. – Nice route runner for his size, solid hands and plays tough. Obviously needs to add some weight, but has a great frame for a WR. Love his upside.

    143. Chase Hansen – LB – Utah – 6′-3″ 222 lbs. – Another converted S that fits now as a 43 Will that can use the space to seek and destroy. Good coverage skills and athletic profile, but not unsurprising, struggles disengaging from blocks.

    144. Isaiah Johnson – CB – Houston – 6′-2″ 208 lbs. – Converted WR with ball skills. Still learning the position, so time is needed to develop, but hard to teach his size, speed (4.4) and fluidity.

    145. Will Harris – S – Boston College – 6′-1″ 207 lbs. – A size/speed (4.4) SS with an aggressive nature against the run and tons of range against the pass. The TE eraser. (fun note, against Iowa, helped hold Fant and Hockenson to 3 catches for 17 yards…)

    146. Demarcus Christmas – IDL – Florida State – 6′-3″ 294 lbs. – An odd prospect because his size would scream 3 tech, while his skill set says more of a 2 gap NT. He is stout against the run, but doesn’t offer much in the pass rush dept.

    147. Dennis Daley – OT – South Carolina – 6′-5″ 317 lbs. – He is a mauler with a very good anchor, decent athlete for his size, but I think he’s a RT or OG in a man power scheme.

    148. Ross Pierschbacher – IOL – Alabama – 6′-4″ 307 lbs. – good size for a OC and is a surpringly smooth mover. Needs to get stronger, but is not a weakling.

    149. Hunter Renfrow – WR – Clemson – 5′-10″ 184 lbs. – Your typical slot WR that has enough speed to be effective. Great hands, good route runner, understands coverages and huge effort.

    150. Foster Moreau – TE – LSU – 6′-4″ 251 lbs. – Another underused reciever at LSU, physical and a bit stiff, he is a blocker first and foremost with some zone catching upside, maybe pushing the seam a bit.

    151. Wyatt Ray – EDGE – Boston College – 6′-3″ 257 lbs. – A speed to power converter that holds his own very well for his size against the run. Harold Landry’s understudy so I like him more then most I think.

    152. Saivion Smith – CB – Alabama – 6′-1″ 199 lbs. – Big and physical with suspect speed, he needs more coaching, but I think the skill set is there.

    153. Mike Bell – S – Fresno State – 6′-3″ 210 lbs. – Good range, good ball skills and good against the run, nothing pops out at you. His lack of speed scares me a bit.

    154. Chuma Edoga – OT – USC – 6′-4″ 308 lbs. – Athletic and light on his feet, plenty of length to man the LT position. Wildly inconsistent film this year and lack of strength means he is going to need time to be developed. ZBS is his fit.

    155. Isaiah Buggs – IDL – Alabama – 6′-3″ 306 lbs. – Physical, over-hyped, underachiever. His strength and physicality makes him solid against the run, but he just never ramped it up to make himself a pass rushing force often enough for my taste. Do not like his motor.

    156. Ben Burr-Kirven – LB – Washington – 6′-0″ 230 lbs. – Another undersized ball of fury. 43 Will that struggles taking on blockers but plays fast and likes contact.

    157. Tre Watson – LB – Maryland – 6′-2″ 235 lbs. – ILB that can bring the lumber. 5 ints on the year shows he’s ok in coverage as well. A stat machine that would work in a defense that can keep him clean.

    158. Marvell Tell – S – USC – 6′-2″ 198 lbs. – Great size for the position, but was terribly inconsistent this year, then tested real well, making me think its a lack of ability to diagnose quickly or lack of effort. Both scare the heck out of me.

    159. Penny Hart – WR – Georgia State – 5′-8″ 180 lbs. – A nuanced route runner that will have to work out of the slot and plays with a toughness that will help him thrive there along with having a little shiftiness to him.

    160. Anthony Nelson – EDGE – Iowa – 6′-7″ 271 lbs. – As a 43 End, think all Hulk, no Spiderman. Great anchor against the run, bull rush only against the pass. Base end in an even front.

    161. Kris Boyd – CB – Texas – 6′-0″ 201 lbs. – Good size and 4.4 speed, physical and aggressive, that aggressiveness works against him at times. Not the smoothest in and out of his transitions.

    162. Darius Slayton – WR – Auburn – 6′-1″ 190 lbs. – He’s was AUs vertical threat, so in that HUNH he was either running deep or catching WR screens. Needs route tree and route running work, but I like his sudden-ness and deep speed.

    163. Sutton Smith – EDGE – Northern Illinois – 6′-0″ 233 lbs. – A savvy yet undersized pass rusher that lacks the physical traits to hold his own against the run. His best bet might be to switch to an OLB.

    164. Miles Boykin – WR – Notre Dame – 6′-4″ 220 lbs. – Talk about a size/ speed combo. under-used at ND, that has plenty of upside. He will need to be coached up, but all the talent is there. Question is: Can he get it all to click?

    165. Ryan Bates – OT – Penn State – 6′-5″ 306 lbs. – I think he could be a super sub for a zbs team. He has played all over for Penn State and has decent movement skills and enough strength to play inside.

    166. Ryan Finley – QB – NC State – 6′-4″ 213 lbs. – in a word: OK. Ok arm strength, OK accuracy, OK mechanics, OK athleticism.

    167. Karan Higdon – RB – Michigan – 5′-9″ 206 lbs. – A patient, controlled runner with decent power and good speed. Excellent viion meshes well with his 1 cut and go style. Doesn’t move the needle in the passing game.

    168. Bobby Okereke – LB – Stanford – 6′-1″ 239 lbs. – He’s a thumper. I like him as a Will so he can seek and destroy while avoiding blockers, once engaged in a block, he cannot disengage. Surprisingly stiff considering his angular frame.

    169. Sheldrick Redwine – S – Miami – 6′-0″ 196 lbs. – Nice combination of speed and physicality. A CB turned S, still feeling his way in his new position, team will need to coach him up.

    170. Blake Cashman – LB – Minnesota – 6′-1″ 237 lbs. – A Will LBer that lacks speed, but makes up for it with effort. Flows well to the ball, but needs to be kept clean and could use a year in an NFL weightroom which could give him some positional flexibility.

    171. Dillon Mitchell – WR – Oregon – 6′-1″ 197 lbs. – Smooth athlete with fluid movement and explosive, making him a RAC terror. Iffy hands at times and needs route work, so he is a bit of a project, but all the parts are there.

    172. Dontavius Russell – IDL – Auburn – 6′-3″ 319 lbs. – High effort, high motor run plugger with a bit of gap penetration. A 1 or 2 gap NT. A poor man’s Dexter Lawrence seems to fit.

    173. Mark Fields – CB – Clemson – 6′-0″ 192 lbs. – sub 4.4 speed in a 6′ body with loose joints. injuries and stuck behind guys on depth chart make him a bit unpolished.

    174. Oli Udoh – OT – Elon – 6′-6″ 323 lbs. – Another Shrine game and Senior bowl kid. 35 3/8″ arms to go on an almost 6′-6″ frame make for plenty of length. He is raw, but has the athletic ability and size to make a run at a roster spot to be developed.

    175. Austin Bryant – EDGE – Clemson – 6′-4″ 271 lbs. – works either in a 2 point or 3 point stance, a try hard pass rusher with great length, decent athletic ability, needs coaching up. Should be stouter against the run then he is.

    176. Jordan Ta’amu – QB – Mississippi – 6′-3″ 221 lbs. – Can make throws to every level of the field and do so with accuracy, plus athleticism, good mechanics, needs time to be developed in a NFL offense.

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    177. Khalil Hodge – LB – Buffalo – 6′-1″ 235 lbs. -stat machine that won with athletic ability and a high motor. Balloned in weight as the season wore on and is now a reported 255 lbs and he ran a 5.03 40 at his pro day.

    178. Jalen Hurd – WR – Baylor – 6′-5″ 226 lbs. – Pretty fluid athlete for his size. Played in the slot for Baylor, I think he works inside or out. Played for 3 years as a RB for Tenn. before a concussion made him want to switch positions to WR so he is a development type.

    179. Isaiah Prince – OT – Ohio State – 6′-6″ 305 lbs. – A good mover, but stiff which is weird. Doesn’t get good bend in his sets. That diminishes his strength some. He has the size the NFL wants. ZBS is his best fit.

    180. Armon Watts – IDL – Arkansas – 6′-5″ 300 lbs. – 1 year starter that needs to clean up a lot of technique, but held his own against the run and did show some pass rush ability. He could be scheme flexible.

    181. Hamp Cheevers – CB – Boston College – 5′-9″ 169 lbs. – Smooth mover with good speed and plus hands. He is a great fit as a nickel CB in the slot.

    182. Malik Gant – S – Marshall – 6′-0″ 209 lbs. – Physical finisher in the run game and fast enough to cover. Does not possess much in the way of ball skills. SS that could match up against TEs and be that 8th man in the box.

    183. Jakobi Meyers – WR – NC State – 6′-2″ 203 lbs. – He works outside as a vertical threat or inside as a “big slot” due to his willingness to go over the middle of the field.

    184. Zach Gentry – TE – Michigan – 6′-8″ 265 lbs. – a mountain of a TE, his catch radius is insane with is 34 plus inch arms added into that 6′-8″ body. His length gets him in trouble leverage wise blocking, but he is a matchup problem in the middle of the field.

    185. Drue Tranquill – LB – Notre Dame – 6′-2″ 234 lbs. – Physical, high IQ, high motor guy that lacks the athletic traits needed to be a 3 down backer. 2 ACL surgeries are a concern. Tested really well at the combine.

    186. Sean Bunting – CB – Central Michigan – 6′-0″ 195 lbs. – Good size, speed and is a fluid athlete. He’s getting by on athletic ability alone, needs technique work.

    187. Greg Gaines – IDL – Washington – 6′-1″ 312 lbs. – A fire hydrant. Built in leverage and all day power make him ideal as a early down run stuffer that offers little in the form of a pass rush.

    188. Mecole Hardman – WR – Georgia – 5′-10″ 187 lbs. – A slot reciever with legit 4.34 speed. Shifty in the open field with great vision. Under-used at Georgia so there is room to grow, + return man.

    189. Tommy Sweeney – TE – Boston College – 6′-5″ 251 lbs. – A natural pass catcher, doesn’t play outside of his skillset and just outworks you. Not a tremendous athlete. Good routerunner in a class of average routerunners. High effort blocker makes him an in-line dual threat TE in 12 personnel.

    190. Tyler Jones – OT – NC State – 6′-3″ 306 lbs. – At his size, he’s moving inside to OG, a technician with above average athletic ability and average at best strength, he profiles well into a ZBS with a year or 2 to add NFL muscle and mass.

    191. Michael Jordan – IOL – Ohio State – 6′-6″ 312 lbs. – played G & C, I think he is a OC. Good strength and a good anchor, lacks lateral movement skills. Power blocking scheme only.

    192. Jahlani Tavai – LB – Hawaii – 6′-2″ 250 lbs. – He plays decisively and not afraid to exchange power, doesn’t offer much in the way of pass coverage. Built like an old school Mike and I’m not sure how that plays in todays NFL.

    193. Gary Jennings Jr. – WR – West Virginia – 6′-1″ 214 lbs. – Nice size/athlete profile that can get deep and has strong hands. Needs to work on route running and getting stronger.

    194. Trysten Hill – IDL – UCF – 6′-3″ 308 lbs. – Nice burst with some power, a totally unrefined skill set, high end motor. Would be best served in a rotation.

    195. Preston Williams – WR – Colorado State – 6′-4″ 211 lbs. another speed/strength/size guy with an impressive toolbox and some impressive film. Bad pro day and an arrest for shoving his GF – red flags galore.

    196. Deshaun Davis – LB – Auburn – 5′-11″ 237 lbs. – A force in the middle, tough, strong and stiff in his movement skills. Lacks the traits necessary to defend the pass. Gives me a London Fletcher vibe.

    197. Shareef Miller – EDGE – Penn State – 6′-5″ 254 lbs. – quick, smooth and good range, not a run defender, I wished he played tougher or with more edge to him. There is untapped potential in him.

    198. Travis Homer – RB – Miami – 5′-10″ 201 lbs. – Good balance, and a smooth athlete, works well in the passing game blocking and recieving, doesn’t do anything that wows you and I’ve got questions about his vision.

    199. Ricky Walker – IDL – Virginia Tech – 6′-2″ 304 lbs. – A squatty one gap DT that does his best work going forward with a nice intital get off. Lacks the length and athleticism most teams are looking for.

    200. Cody Barton – LB – Utah – 6′-3″ 237 lbs. – A thumper with surprising range for his build, he isn’t afraid of mixing it up and plays with a high motor. inconsistency really hurts his grade. He could fit in a variety positions and schemes.

    201. Chris Slayton – IDL – Syracuse – 6′-4″ 307 lbs. – Powerful, with a good build, not overly athletic. Excellent motor.

    202. Anthony Ratliff-Williams – WR – North Carolina – 6′-1″ 200 lbs. – Good hands and is very good after the catch. Nice acceleration, decent field vision. A willing blocker.

    203. Iman Marshall – CB – USC – 6′-1″ 207 lbs. – I love his frame and his physical demeanor, but he was too up and down and gives away too many easy catches underneath.

    204. Montre Hartage – CB – Northwestern – 5′-11″ 190 lbs. – A ballhawk (9 ints) that will stick his nose in and tackle. He is a bit stiff and his long speed is not great (4.68 confirms this) so should go to a zone team.

    205. Ugochukwu Amadi – S – Oregon – 5′-9″ 199 lbs. – A nickel safety, lacks the size to cover bigger WRs or TEs, but not afraid of contact and is a good punt returner. Did some slot work in the game I saw.

    206. Qadree Ollison – RB – Pittsburgh – 6′-1″ 228 lbs. – Thick and powerful make him a tough runner to bring down and a punisher between the tackles. Lacks burst and a top gear, but isn’t real slow.

    207. Trey Pipkins – OT – Sioux Falls – 6′-6″ 309 lbs. – truth in advertising, I have only seen him in the shrine game. He showed a nice combination of size, athletic ability and strength, he’s going to need time to develop I would imagine.

    208. Maxx Crosby – EDGE – Eastern Michigan – 6′-5″ 255 lbs. – Long, athletic and highly productive, needs to add some muscle in the NFL, which makes him a ST regular with rotational edge upside.

    209. Alize Mack – TE – Notre Dame – 6′-4″ 249 lbs. – A seam weapon with good hands and good athleticism, he is underwhelming as a blocker and might be best used split out wide (ND did use him in-line and out)

    210. Malik Reed – EDGE – Nevada – 6′-1″ 237 lbs. – Athletic and loose limbed, high motor and high character, might suffer from tweener-itis. Is he a 34 edge or a 43 lber? I like him as a 34 edge as a situational pass rusher.

    211. Ryan Davis – WR – Auburn – 5′-10″ 189 lbs. – Your typical undersized slot WR with good hands and slippery in traffic. Auburn didn’t use him deep.

    212. Carl Granderson – EDGE – Wyoming – 6′-5″ 255 lbs. – Long with above average athleticism, occasionally flashes some speed to power. Underwhelming as a run defender.

    213. Derrick Baity – CB – Kentucky – 6′-2″ 197 lbs. – Great size for the position, but needs to add some lbs for the next level. A bit disjointed in his movement skills, good fit in a zone scheme.

    214. Gardner Minshew – QB – Washington State – 6′-1″ 225 lbs. – strong arm, unflappable in the pocket and decent mobility, his accuracy comes and goes and needs to be developed in a pro offense.

    215. Cece Jefferson – EDGE – Florida – 6′-2″ 266 lbs. – He’s a high effort power rusher that lacks the athleticism to press the edge. Solid against the run.

    216. Edwin Alexander – IDL – LSU – 6′-3″ 340 lbs. – a space eating 2 gap NT that does a nice job of keeping his lbers clean, offers little in a pass rush.

    217. Travis Fulgham – WR – Old Dominion – 6′-3″ 215 lbs. – Excellent body control for a 6′-3″ frame which aids in excellent route running, making the tough catch or RAC. Decent long speed.

    218. Tyree Jackson – QB – Buffalo – 6′-7″ 249 lbs. – Monster arm and a good athlete, his mechanics and accuracy are not good. Will need time and a great QB coach to develop.

    219. C.J. Conrad – TE – Kentucky – 6′-5″ 249 lbs. -good hands and give em hell attitude. Won’t wow you athletically, a zone sitter and chain mover TE. Needs to add NFL strength.

    220. Kevin Wilkins – IDL – Rutgers – On my radar during shrine week, had a nice week according to all reports. Has a nice initial burst with decent hand usage.

    221. Jalen Jelks – EDGE – Oregon – 6′-5″ 256 lbs. – TV guys would consider him “twitched up”, add to that his long body and if some team can develop him, might have a 34 pass rusher. Does not hold up well against the run.

    222. Dakota Allen – LB – Texas Tech – 6′-1″ 232 lbs. – Sideline to sideline playmaker with some steam when he gets there. Less tactician and more bull in a china shop. Upside player with ST written all over him.

    223. Lil’ Jordan Humphrey – WR – Texas – 6′-4″ 210 lbs. – He’s a “big slot”, strong hands and willing to fight for footballs. Doesn’t possess long speed. but he is a handleful underneath.

    224. Jordan Brailford – EDGE- Oklahoma State – 6′-3″ 252 lbs. – Beefed up from the regular season, so is he a OLB or a 34 Edge? Explosive and fast, could use polish as a pass rusher, more strength to hold up against the run.

    225. Jarrett Stidham – QB – Auburn – 6′-2″ 218 lbs. – for the most part accurate, a decent arm and good NFL size, when things break down he self destructs, not a leader and I think he plays it too safe.

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    226. Blace Brown – CB – Troy – 6′-0″ 194 lbs. – Nice size and good instincts and can make plays on the ball, his 4.75 40 time is worrisome considering he had an ACL surgery in 2017, maybe never regained quickness…

    227. Porter Gustin – EDGE – USC – 6′-5″ 255 lbs. – A hard working, effort edge with 2 years of injury history slowing him down. handles himself well agaonst the run. Tested well, so he might finally be getting healthy.

    228. Anthony Johnson – WR – Buffalo – 6′-2″ 209 lbs. – Good route runner, strong hands and seems to understand the nuances of WR. Possession WR in NFL.

    229. James Williams – RB – Washington State – 5′-10″ 197 lbs. – Smooth and nimble, lacks the power to run consistently between the tackles. Outstanding pass catcher.

    230. JoJo McIntosh – S – Washington – 6′-1″ 205 lbs. – Rapp’s running mate, he’s a downhill punisher that lacks ball skills. He fits that box safety role in sub packages.

    231. Caleb Wilson – TE – UCLA – 6′-4″ 240 lbs. – He is an upside TE that has all the tools in the toolbox, yet has never realized his potential. Needs to add strength and start playing up to that 4.56 40 speed.

    232. Martez Ivey – OT – Florida – 6′-5″ 315 lbs. – He probably moves inside, he has good size, is an ok athlete and has decent power, but mechanically he’s a lemon.

    233. Lukas Denis – S – Boston College – 5′-11″ 190 lbs. – An undersized ballhawk that is a converted WR. Needs to add bulk to handle run defender duties. Could play some slot CB.

    234. Tim Harris – CB – Virginia – 6′-2″ 205 lbs. – Big and instinctual, likes to get his hands dirty and mix it up a bit. lacks long speed and can get beat over the top. injury history.

    235. Malik Carney – EDGE – North Carolina – 6′-2″ 251 lbs. – Decent athleticism with high effort, a bit undersized that struggles against the run. Situational pass rusher.

    236. Alex Bars – IOL – Notre Dame – 6′-6″ 312 lbs. – A nasty demeanored power blocker with a great anchor that will work in a power blocking scheme. Not overly athletic or a smooth mover.

    237. Kendall Sheffield – CB – Ohio State – 5′-11″ 193 lbs. – Oily hips and plenty of quickness, but really needs technique work. Draft and stash as you develop him type.

    238. Mike Weber – RB – Ohio State – 5′-10″ 211 lbs. – Smart, patient runner with pass catching skills, lacks athleticism and has some durability concerns.

    239. Jonathan Ledbetter – EDGE – Georgia – 6′-3″ 275 lbs. – I like him outside on early downs and on the inside on passing situations. Physical with good, not great athleticism and not much flexibility in his frame.

    240. Mitch Hyatt – OT – Clemson – 6′-5″ 303 lbs. – An average athlete for the position, needs to get stronger. Zone blocking team could use him as a reserve that can play inside or out in a pinch.

    241. Ulysees Gilbert III – LB – Akron – 6′-1″ 225 lbs. – more athlete, less instinctual lber at this point. Fluid movement and sideline to sideline. Will never be mistaken as a stack and shed guy. ST demon upside.

    242. Jamal Peters – CB – Mississippi State – 6′-2″ 218 lbs.– a bigger CB that might have to transition to S. Demeanor and tackles like a S. Intriguing size/skill set that an inventive team could do something with.

    243. John Cominsky EDGE – Charleston – 6′-5″ 286 lbs. – another inside/outside DL that loved using the 4 point stance, excellent run defender, lacks flexibility to win in space as an edge rusher.

    244. Tony Pollard – RB – Memphis – 6′-0″ 210 lbs. – The pass catcher for Memphis, a fluid athlete and has a ton of versatility. KR, WR, RB – he’s a swiss army knife.

    245. Javon Patterson – IOL – Mississippi – 6′-3″ 307 lbs. – An athletic IOL that has played OG and OC, needs to get stronger, but projects well to a zone scheme.

    246. Jimmy Moreland – CB- James Madison – 5′-11″ 175 lbs. – FCS level, He’s a ballhawking CB that will obviously move inside over the slot in the NFL due to size. 18 career ints with 6 returned for TDs.

    247. Khari Willis – S – Michigan State – 5′-11″ 213 lbs. – A physical S with decent range that will do his best work closer to the box and against TEs.

    248. Lamont Gaillard – IOL – Georgia – 6′-2″ 295 lbs. – Powerful IOL that projects into a power run game due to a lack of athleticism. Good anchor and has been a OC for last 2 years.

    249. Emmanuel Butler – WR – Northern Arizona – 6′-3″ 215 lbs. – A nice FCS WR that has just enough juice to be dangerous. A draft and stash upside wideout.

    250. – Jordon Brown – CB – South Dakota State – 6′-0″ 207 lbs – A nice size/ speed combo from the FCS. He’s a bit raw as he started college as a WR. But his instincts and natural physical ability is unteachable.
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    In reply to: Taibbi on the thingie

    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    Who does this serve? No one. Does it feed a single hungry person? No. Does it stop a single bomb from falling? No. Trump has actually escalated ALL of our military ventures.

    Who is this helping?

    And, again, we only have Barr’s summary. We all need to be patient for a bit longer.

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    Well, comrad, we agree on the big-picture. The big stuff. So, I’m not inclined to debate/argue about Russia (or Syria, where we probly disagree?).

    I am prettysure we both think the corporo-tacracy, or deep-state, or plutocracy or oligarchy, or
    corporate-capitalist-State, or Mega-theo-patriarchal-racist-corporate-batshit-crazy-biosphere-terminating-nationalist-jingoist-thingie — or whatever we wanna label it — is a very bad thingie.

    A very bad thingie, indeed.

    …how long have we been at this now, BT? Since…1998? 99? We are getting old, my friend. Its been an honor, btw. An honor to post with you radicals. Hard to believe we’ve been doing this, this long.

    Go Rams
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    WV, don’t do that. :>) I’m gonna get all emotional from reading stuff like that. Aside from the sentiment, which I share, too much is going on in my life right now, including recent losses of close family, and my own health struggles.

    Anyway, yeah. We do agree on the Big Picture. And the honor is all mine, going back to the 1990s. I consider you and the rest of the “radicals” here to be real friends and great people.

    And, WV, I’ve always thought you missed your true calling. You’re one of the funniest people I’ve ever met online. I’m betting you’re a great lawyer, but you coulda been a contender as a stand up comic.

    Be well, always.

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