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My 2020 250 player Big Board

A few notes before I get to the list:

1. I have seen every player. Some guys I have only seen in the Shrine Game. Others I have seen a ton. So my grading is not perfect.

2. This is a board built from a scoring system and not where I think they will land in the draft. That is a predictive board. So I get Joe Burrow is going #1 and not where I have him. Its where he scored.

3. As far as scoring, its new to me, and I altered it from last year. I grade a player on several categories (depending on position) on a 1-10 scale. Injuries now do come into play. Some red flags from off the field as well.

4. My top 10 lists per position are coming.

5. I summarized each player to give you an idea of their strengths and weaknesses, if you see one with too many comments one way or the other, it doesn’t mean he should be higher or lower.

6. ask any questions you like.

1. Chase Young – Edge – Ohio St. – 6′-5″ 264 lbs. – Size/speed/strength/athleticism. He is the total package in a prototypical 43 DE body.

2. Jeff Okudah – CB – Ohio St. – 6′-1″ 205 lbs. – Big, quick, fast, smooth and physical. Perfect fit in a press man system, but will work in off man and zone.

3. Derrick Brown – IDL -Auburn – 6′-4″ 326 lbs. – Explosive, strong, excellent hand fighter and has an all-day motor. Total package.

4. Isaiah Simmons – LB – Clemson – 6′-4″ 238 lbs. – ILB, Safety, CB, Edge. Kid can do it all with his blend of elite speed, athleticism and strength. In a league wanting more do it all types, he may be the best of them all.

5. Jedrick Wills – OT – Alabama – 6′-4″ 312 lbs. – Played RT to protect a lefty QB. He can dominate you power wise and has plenty of juice to move, slide hit and rinse repeat. Oh and he is a technician as well as a mauler…

6. Jerry Jeudy – WR – Alabama – 6′-1″ 193 lbs. – Excellent hands, excellent route runner and electric speed. Everything you want in a #1 WR.

7. Tristan Wirfs – OT – Iowa – 6′-5″ 320 lbs. – Some think he’s an OG. They are wrong. Athletic and powerful with good technique. He can play either side and be a 10 year rock star.

8. CeeDee Lamb -WR – Oklahoma – 6′-2″ 198 lbs. – a size/speed WR that is an absolute terror in the open field. Excellent hands are just the cherry on top. Could use some strength.

9. K’Lavon Chaisson – Edge – LSU – 6′-4″ 254 lbs. – My top 34 Edge. Speed to power guy with plenty of athletic ability and a leader mentality. Good motor as well. 3 down edge.

10. Mekhi Becton – OT – Louisville – 6′-7″ 357 lbs. – The Mountain. He is a physical rarity. He is fast, strong big and agile. Has had issues maintaining his weight in the past.

11. Javon Kinlaw – IDL -South Carolina – 6′-5″ 324 lbs. – Another big, explosive lineman that can get after it. may have some character concerns.

12. Kristian Fulton – CB – LSU – 6′-0″ 197 lbs. – Good size to go with a smooth, athletic profile. Always under control and doesn’t panic. Another press man CB.

13. Kenneth Murray – LB – Oklahoma – 6′-2″ 241 lbs. – Sideline to sideline ILBer with power and everything you want in a defensive leader.

14. Joe Burrow – QB – LSU – 6′-3″ 221 lbs. – Above average in most categories. Elite movement in and manipulation of the pocket makes him special. Prototypical size helps.

15. Andrew Thomas – OT – Georgia – 6′-5″ 315 lbs. – Not the athlete the top 3 are, but if hands are on you, be prepared to eat dirt. Excellent hands combined with that power makes for a long day against the run.

16. Tua Tagovailoa – QB – Alabama – 6′-0″ 217 lbs. – Love his athletic ability, accuracy to all levels and competitiveness. Injury history drops him a slot.

17. Grant Delpit – S – LSU – 6′-2″ 213 lbs. – Single high is the safety everyone wants, and Delpit is an excellent single high with great range, smooth change of direction and can drop into the box and blitz.

18. C.J. Henderson – CB – Florida – 6′-1″ 204 lbs. – Explosive, smooth and fast, he has a ballhawk mentality. Didn’t want to tackle this year. Business decision? Off man or zone corner.

19. Patrick Queen – LB – LSU – 6′-1″ 229 lbs. – A new age ILBer that can run, cover and hit. His lack of length is a bit of a concern.

20. Xavier McKinney – S – Alabama – 6′-0″ 201 lbs. – Not a single high, but a tough nosed moveable chess piece that wins everywhere on the field.

21. Laviska Shenault Jr. – WR – Colorado – 6′-1″ 227 lbs. – A physical, workhorse that just punishes defenders in the open field. Injuries are a concern.

22. A.J. Epenesa – Edge – Iowa – 6′-6″ 275 lbs. – A bit stiff, but he works, strong as a bull and I think he gives you End work on early downs and moves inside on 3rds.

23. Henry Ruggs III – WR – Alabama – 5′-11″ 188 lbs. – Here’s your HR threat. a pure speed machine that won’t wow you with his route running ability.

24. Neville Gallimore – IDL – Oklahoma – 6′-2″ 304 lbs. – Good athlete with power, all day motor and tough. Not as dynamic as a pass rusher as the top 2 guys.

25. Cesar Ruiz – IOL – Michigan – 6′-3″ 307 lbs. – Zone or man, excellent pass blocker, can play OG or OC. Best combo of size/strength and athletic ability in the IOL group. I like him as a Zone scheme OC.

26. Justin Herbert – QB – Oregon – 6′-6″ 236 lbs. – Big kid, big arm. Needs to fix some mechanics involving his legs. I worry he isn’t a natural leader.

27. Jonathan Taylor – RB – Wisconsin – 5′-10″ 226 lbs. – A workhorse back with HR speed and excellent vision. Pass catching is his worst trait, and its fine.

28. Yetur Gross-Matos – Edge – Penn St. – 6′-5″ 266 lbs. – Raw, but the tools spill out of his toolbox. 43 DE. Love his length and explosiveness from a 3 point stance. high ceiling.

29. D’Andre Swift – RB – Georgia – 5′-8″ 212 lbs. – Bellcow back with excellent footwork and balance, HR speed and can catch passes. Not a between the tackles type.

30. Trevon Diggs – CB – Alabama – 6′-1″ 205 lbs. – Brother to Stephon, he is a zone/man cb prospect with excellent footwork and fluid movement skills. Add that to his length and he is a handful.

31. Antoine Winfield Jr. – S – Minnesota – 5′-9″ 203 lbs. – Undersized ballhawking, instinctual and extremely physical S. Again, not a sigle high, and more of a halves type safety.

32. Tee Higgins – WR – Clemson – 6′-4″ 216 lbs. – a highpoint, catch radius WR that wins at all levels of the field, but is at his best winning 50/50. Good, not great speed.

33. JK Dobbins – RB – Ohio State – 5′-9″ 210 lbs. – Inside out back that can catch passes, extremely tough after first contact and can go the distance. I wish he was a tad bigger.

34. Noah Igbinoghene – CB – Auburn – 5′-10″ 198 lbs. – Former WR turned college CB, so he needs to be developed, but he is ultra fast, explosive and just an overall smooth athlete. Zone or man fit.

35. Ross Blacklock – IDL – TCU – 6′-4″ 290 lbs. – Incredible feet with good power has him in gaps consistently. Not the fastest react time. Achilles injury 2 years ago.

36. Jordan Love – QB – Utah State – 6′-4″ 224 lbs. – I don’t get the Mahommes comp., He pressed bigtime this year and struggled. Big time athlete with big arm.

37. Justin Jefferson – WR – LSU – 6′-1″ 202 lbs. – Good route runner, good hands, good speed, good blocker. Not explosive, but gets open, makes catches and scores.

38. Jeff Gladney – CB – TCU – 5′-10″ – 191 lbs. – Physical, hard-nosed press man CB with excellent speed. More than willing to help against the run.

39. Josh Jones – OT – Houston – 6′-5″ 319 lbs. – Super athlete with great feet, decent anchor that would work best in a zone scheme. Not the dog the top 4 are, but still will get after it.

40. Van Jefferson – WR – Florida – 6′-1″ 200 lbs. – A route running technician, good hands and is OK in the open field. Not explosive and not what I would call a HR threat.

41. Justin Madubuike – IDL – Texas A&M – 6′-3″ 293 lbs. – An explosive, penetrating type DT with good strength that needs to be more consistent.

42. Austin Jackson – OT – USC – 6′-5″ 322 lbs. – Lost time/strength due to helping his sister with a medical issue. He may need a year, but a full toolbox with a good balance of strength and agility.

43. Clyde Edwards-Helaire – RB – LSU – 5′-7″ 207 lbs. – An easy mover with a powerful lower half. May lack the size to handle a full NFL load.

44. Lucas Niang – OT – TCU – 6′-6″ 315 lbs. – Another nice power/athletic combo blocker that plays with a nice edge. Injury slowed him some, and needs to get consistent.

45. Lloyd Cushenberry – IOL – LSU – 6′-3″ 312 lbs. – Another OG/OC candidate. Strong and tough, not as mobile as the other top OCs. Really improved over the year.

46. Terrell Lewis – Alabama – 6′-5″ 262 lbs. – Another high ceiling guy with injury history. Loooong levered. Smooth. Stong. 34 Edge

47. Marlon Davidson – IDL – Auburn – 6′-3″ 303 lbs. – 3T or 34 DE. I like him as a penetrating DE in a 34 that can also hold his own against the run. Big time motor.

48. Jalen Reagor – WR – Arizona State – 5′-11′ 206 lbs. – He’s a jittery HR hitter that is electric deep or in the open field. His hands are iffy IMO, or he’d be higher on my list.

49. Kyle Dugger – S – Lenoir-Rhyne – 6′-1″ 217 lbs. – Small school kid. Great size and athletic profile that can play free or strong. Excellent blitzer and played really well at the Senior Bowl. Will need some coaching.

50. Donovan Peoples-Jones – WR – Michigan – 6′-2″ 212 lbs. – Good hands and an excellent athlete. Underused in that woeful Mich. offense. He is more of a projection due to lack of production.

51. Denzel Mims – WR – Baylor – 6′-3″ 207 lbs. – Big, strong with decent speed. He can go up and get it. A real 50/50 ball stud. Lacks any real route running.

52. Zack Baun – Edge – Wisconsin – 6′-3″ 238 lbs. – A bit smaller edge, but he is smart, relentless and refined. Will have trouble against the run due to size. I think he works best as a LBer you move around inside early, out late.

53. Ashtyn Davis – S – California – 6′-1″ 202 lbs. – A physical safety that works in a variety of sets, works best when he’s free to roam in a zone and make plays.

54. Matt Hennessy – IOL – Temple – 6′-4″ 307 lbs. – A OZS OC that is an excellent mover with great technique. Needs to get stronger, but IQ and skill set are outstanding. Reminds me of Garrett Bradbury.

55. Damon Arnette – CB – Ohio St. – 6′-0″ 195 lbs. – Easy moving, physical press man CB with very good instincts.

56. Jeremy Chinn – S – Southern Illinois – 6′-3″ 221 lbs. – Simmons-lite in a safety body. he could be a LBer a S or an edge rusher with crazy athleticism. Love his physicality and the fact that he is always around the ball.

57. Cam Akers – RB – Florida State – 5′-10″ 217 lbs. – Another feature back buried on a horrible offense. Does a little of everything., but he’s a downhill 1 cut style power back at his best.

58. K.J. Hamler – WR – Penn State – 5′-9″ 178 lbs. – Electrifying. In the open field as dangerous as any WR in the draft. Hands can be iffy, and he is small, but a HR hitter and someone a defense needs to plan for.

59. Julian Okwara – Edge – Notre Dame – 6′-4″ 252 lbs. – A 34 Edge with a nice blend of explosiveness and flexibility. Needs to get stronger against the run.

60. A.J. Terrell – CB – Clemson – 6′-1″ 195 lbs. – Fast, big press man that needs to rely on his skill set and not resort to getting so handsy. This is football, not the backseat of your dads Olds on date night.

61. Jordyn Brooks – LB – Texas Tech – 6′-1″ 240 lbs. – An absolute heat seeking missile that is devastating going downhill, lacks pass coverage reps. Sideline to sideline.

62. Brandon Aiyuk – WR – Arizona State – 6′-0″ 205 lbs. – Another big play waiting to happen. Can take the top off the defense and is slippery in the open field. Not a very nuanced route runner, hands are OK.

63. Josh Uche – Edge – Michigan – 6′-1″ 245 lbs. – Smaller edge that will have issues against the run. but he is a flexy, bursty little dude that is also good in space.

64. Jonah Jackson – IOL – Ohio St. – 6′-3″ 306 lbs. – A technician with decent strength that can play anywhere on the inside. Needs to be more consistent. Plays with an edge.

65. Troy Pride – CB – Notre Dame – 5′-11″ 193 lbs. – Under-rated athletically, has good speed and can work in man and zone coverages. A perfect #2 CB.

66. Malik Harrison – LB – Ohio St. – 6′-3″ 247 lbs. – Old school type MLBer that stuffs the run and plugs gaps. Quick to react, strong and will drop the hammer. Too stiff to contribute in a lot of coverage.

67. Bryce Hall – CB – Virginia – 6′-1″ 202 lbs. – Long, physical and smart. Always taking good angles and is in the proper position. Not the world’s best athlete. he will outwork you. Zone CB.

68. Brycen Hopkins – TE – Purdue – 6′-4″ 245 lbs. – Your prototypical new age TE. A mismatch problem in the middle of the field that is a smooth, easy mover. Not an inline blocker, I worry a bit about his hands.

69. Jacob Eason – QB – Washington – 6′-6″ 231 lbs. – Biggest arm in the class, but is a statue and panics a little too easily for my taste.

70. Jaylon Johnson – CB – Utah – 6′-0″ 193 lbs. – Decent size and speed that excels in man coverage. Fast to react and is a ballhawk. Smooth mover.

71. Leki Fotu – IDL – Utah – 6′-4″ 330 lbs. – A monster NT with a little pass rush juice to him. Good motor and is almost impossible to move. Not the athletic freak Lawrence was last year.

72. Ben Bartch – OT – St. Johns (MN) – 6′-6″ 309 lbs. – Small School prospect that held his own at Senior Bowl. TE turned OT. Athletic with a nice anchor, he needs seasoning. Arm length probably moves him inside.

73. Cameron Dantzler – CB – Mississippi State – 6′-2″ 188 lbs. -a big CB that may move to S due to speed restrictions. I like him in press man, but his ability to sniff out routes should help in zone concepts as well.

74. Eno Benjamin – RB – Arizona State – 5′-9″ 207 lbs. – Physical for his size, smooth lower half and can be slippery to tackle. Change of pace back only.

75. Matt Peart – OT – Connecticut – 6′-7″ 318 lbs. – An easy moving OT with decent strength that again, could use a year or 2 learning and adding power, but there is no denying the skills are there.

76. DaVon Hamilton – IDL – Ohio St. – 6′-4″ 320 lbs. – A powerhouse run defender that was never tasked to rush the passer. Early 2 down starter with the athletic profile to possibly add some inside pass rush.

77. Jake Fromm – QB – Georgia – 6′-2″ 219 lbs. – Smartest QB in the draft, has a noodle for an arm and is a little on the small side.

78. Robert Hunt – IOL – Louisiana-Lafayette – 6′-5″ 323 lbs. – 2nd nastiest OG in the draft. He is a punisher. Needs to be a little more patient, but he will finish on all levels.

79. Jonathan Greenard – Edge – Florida – 6′-4″ 263 lbs. – I just love his athletic ability, balance against the run and pass and supposedly a hard worker off the field. Not the most flexible, but his length and strength make up for it. high floor, lower ceiling type.

80. Alohi Gilman – S – Notre Dame – 5′-10″ 201 lbs. – A zone safety that is an absolute hammer coming forward. Another versatile player that can do a little of everything.

81. Prince Tega Wanogho – OT – Auburn – 6′-5″ 308 lbs. – Surprise, an athletic, raw skilled LT from Auburn. He has elite tools, but needs a year learning and gaining strength.

82. Curtis Weaver – Edge – Boise St. – 6′-3″ 265 lbs. – He could either be a 43 or 34. Lacks an ideal athletic profile, but has a hot motor, a good first step, active hands and handles his own against the run. Another high floor, lower ceiling type.

83. Chase Claypool – WR – Notre Dame – 6′-4″ 238 lbs. – A big possession WR, that wins contested catches, 50-50 balls and is tough in the redzone. Tested better then he plays, but is still a great athlete.

84. Akeem Davis-Gaither – LB – Appalachian St. – 6′-2″ 224 lbs. – Highly productive WILL that plays fast, can cover and rush the QB. I like him outside in a 43, but maybe a MO in a 34…

85. Raekwon Davis – IDL – Alabama – 6′-7″ 311 lbs. – a 34 DE, because he will get out-leveraged on the inside. powerful with a solid anchor against the run, pass rush potential is there, but never developed.

86. Albert Okwuegbunam – TE – Missouri – 6′-5″ 258 lbs. – Big target with enough athletic ability to create issues in the seam. A decent and willing blocker inline. Offense and QB really slowed down his progression.

87. Darnay Holmes – CB – UCLA – 5′-10″ 195 lbs.– Smooth and quick are his calling cards. I wish he was more aggressive. off man or zone scheme fit.

88. K’Von Wallace – S – Clemson – 5′-11″ 206 lbs. – Physical, will stick his face in the fan and has some nice ball production. Not overly athletic or fast, but versatile.

89. Bryan Edwards – WR – South Carolina – 6′-3″ 212 lbs. – He wins with his size and physicality in the middle of the field. Not a burner, but plays hard and smart.

90. Thaddeus Moss – TE – LSU – 6′-2″ 250 lbs. – Not the freakish athlete his dad was, but is a monster in the blocking game, is a nuanced route runner and knows how to get open. Competes hard.

91. Troy Dye – LB – Oregon – 6′-4″ 231 lbs. – Another see ball, chase ball LBer that needs to add strength. But he makes plays all over the field.

92. Antoine Brooks Jr. – S – Maryland – 5′-11″ 220 lbs. – Here is that big nickel LBer or third safety I have been talking about for the last year or so. best working around the box in sub packages. Physical, emotional and not extremely rangy.

93. Cole Kmet – TE – Notre Dame – 6′-6″ 263 lbs. – Another size mismatch with decent athleticism. Should be a better blocker then he is. Good hands, decent route runner.

94. Saahdiq Charles – OT – LSU – 6′-4″ 321 lbs. – A smooth mover with good athleticism, but lacks power. A move inside might be in his future. zone scheme prospect.

95. Adam Troutman – TE – Dayton – 6′-5″ 255 lbs. – Exciting athlete that is new to being a TE. Extremely productive, but a raw skill set including route running. A plus blocker.

96. Zack Moss – RB – Utah – 5′-9″ 223 lbs. – A big, bigtime power back with some wiggle to him. Hard to bring down. I like his footwork. Not a HR hitter and a 1 cut and go type back.

97. Darrell Taylor – Edge – Tennessee – 6′-4″ 267 lbs. – Good athlete, with plenty of flex, decent get off and enough size to hold up against the run. hasn’t put it all together. High upside, high bust potential.

98. Steven Montez – QB – Colorado – 6′-4″ 231 lbs. – Big arm, all the tools, has just never put it all together.

99. Logan Stenberg – IOL – Kentucky – 6′-6″ 317 lbs. – Meanest, nastiest OG in the draft. Won’t win on style points and will talk your ear off. Not a great athlete.

100. Tyler Biadasz – IOL – Wisconsin – 6′-4″ 314 lbs. – OC for any scheme. Excellent mover with a great anchor and good strength. Off season hip surgery slowed him down last season. Followed by shoulder surgery this off season. Could be a heck of a steal.

101. Khalid Kareem – Edge – Notre Dame – 6′-4″ 268 lbs. – Long and strong, excellent against the run, not much juice as a pass rusher. A bit stiff. 43 end only.

102. Ezra Cleveland – OT – Boise State – 6′-6″ 311 lbs. – Absolute athlete for his size/length. Real smooth mover with light feet. Needs to add strength and needs technique work. I’d say an OZS LT right now.

103. Rashard Lawrence – IDL – LSU – 6′-2″ – 308 lbs. – What you would expect in an LSU DL, tough, strong and excellent against the run. Doesn’t offer much in the way of a pass rush.

104. Isaiah Wilson – OT – Georgia – 6′-6″ 350 lbs. – from the No duh file, dude is massive. An absolute mauler that is in desperate need of technique work. Right tackle.

105. Jalen Hurts – QB – Oklahoma – 6′-1″ 221 lbs. – Athletic, alpha dog that has problems with seeing the whole field and accuracy issues. Needs to be coached up.

106. Bradlee Anae – Edge – Utah – 6′-3″ 257 lbs. – Can rush the passer and hold his own against the run, excellent hand fighter, with a top-notch motor. Not the greatest athlete. 43 or 34 compatable.

107. Hunter Bryant – TE – Washington – 6′-2″ 248 lbs. – Smooth moving, explosive pass catcher. Offers nothing in the way of blocking and his size won’t scare anyone.

108. Larrell Murchison – IDL – NC State – 6′-2″ 297 lbs. – A nose for the ball with a great motor. Not the rangiest 3 tech, but he will apply constant pressure.

109. Brandon Jones – S – Texas – 5′-11″ 198 lbs. – A smaller, tad more rangey version of Brooks. He is a thumper with an all-day motor, and a nose for the ball.

110. Quartney Davis – WR – Texas A&M – 6′-1″ 201 lbs. – A skilled route runner with excellent footwork. Not slow, but not exactly a deep threat. hands are spotty.

111. Jordan Elliott – IDL – Missouri – 6′-4″ 302 lbs. – Strong and bursty, he can cause havoc in the backfield. Easy mover with excellent hands. Not the fastest off the snap, timing issues slow him down.

112. Terrell Burgess – S – Utah – 5′-11″ 202 lbs. – He’s an exciting athlete with good speed and a bigtime motor. Lack of size might be an issue.

113. Amik Robertson – CB – Louisiana Tech – 5′-8″ 187 lbs. – slot corner due to his size. But he is a mean, physical little dude that will bring the fight to you.

114. Lamical Perine – RB – Florida – 5′-11″ 216 lbs. – A patient power back with just enough juice to get to the house. Enough wiggle to get outside, but is at his best working north to south.

115. Collin Johnson – WR – Texas – 6′-6″ 222 lbs. – Touted as the next Randy Moss, it didn’t happen, but he has good speed, wins with his size and is a contested catch, 50-50 ball machine. Size mismatch.

116. Jabari Zuniga – Edge – Florida – 6′-3″ 253 lbs. – Decent burst, OK against the run, good athlete with range. Another boom bust prospect.

117. Michael Pittman Jr. – WR – USC – 6′-4″ 223 lbs – Another physical WR that is starting to put everything together. Not a burner, but a good athlete with a great work ethic. A big Robert Woods.

118. Kenny Willekes – Edge – Michigan State – 6′-4″ 264 lbs. – Relentless, tough, strong, try hard with average athletic ability for the position. I think due to that he is a 43 DE.

119. Anthony McFarland – RB – Maryland – 5′-8″ 208 lbs. – An undersized, raw talented HR threat from anywhere on the field. Not a 3 down guy.

120. Ben Bredeson – IOL – Michigan – 6′-5″ 315 lbs. – A LG prospect I love that has played in Gap/man/OSZ at Mich so he is versatile. Decent mover with good balance and very good power that looks to finish blocks.

121. Shaquille Quarterman – LB – Miami – 6′-1″ 234 lbs. – A real old school MLBer that reads, reacts and then thumps. I think he moves well enough to help in some coverage.

122. Damien Lewis – IOL – LSU – 6′-2″ 327 lbs. – Aggressive and powerful, lacks the lateral movement skills to work in a zone scheme. Will overwhelm you in man power.

123. Antonio Gibson – RB – Memphis – 6′-1″ 223 lbs. – A wr/rb/do it all back with home run ability. Elusive with a bit of power. A jack of all trades, master of none.

124. Evan Weaver – LB – California – 6′-2″ 237 lbs. – Not the world’s greatest athlete, but he is so instinctual he’s always around the ball. Super productive. Not a hammer and not great in coverage.

125. Tyler Johnson – WR – Minnesota – 6′-1″ 206 lbs. – A nuanced route runner that knows how to get open. Plays with some physicality. I question his speed and he didn’t run so…

126. Netane Muti – IOL – Fresno St. – 6′-3″ 315 lbs. – Skill set, power and movement ability should have him as the top IOL in the draft. he can flat out dominate. And looks to dominate you. Cannot stay healthy. Serious medical red flags.

127. Willie Gay Jr. – LB – Miss. St. – 6′-2″ 243 lbs. – Athletic and quick, will pop you in the mouth. And he did punch his own QB in the face, so there is that. Could be a 3 down ILBer with some seasoning.

128. AJ Dillon – RB – Boston College – 6′-0″ 247 lbs. – A bigger bodied back with more speed than one would think. A gap power fit. Loses a lot when stretched out east to west.

129. Alex Highsmith – Edge – Charlotte – 6′-4″ 248 lbs. – Dynamic athlete off the edge with plenty of range, good flexibility and a great motor. Not the sturdiest run defender. 34 Edge.

130. David Woodward – LB – Utah State – 6′-2″ 230 lbs. -Not fast or super athletic, but he is smart, instinctual and has a big motor. He is everywhere. ILB

131. Nick Harris – IOL – Washington – 6′-1″ 302 lbs. – Smaller, smooth moving OC that lacks the power to go heads up against any kind of power. Good technique. Zone scheme only.

132. Shane Lemieux – IOL – Oregon – 6′-4″ 310 lbs. – mauler, not an athlete. Choppy footwork. Works well in a man scheme.

133. Nick Coe – Edge – Auburn – 6′-5″ 280 lbs. – Big, long and strong. Played from 2 and 3 point at Auburn. He is going to end up being a 34 End in the NFL. I question his passion for football.

134. Jared Pinkney – Vanderbilt – 6′-4″ 257 lbs. – Great hands, good athlete, good enough blocker to play inline. Needs to cleanup route running. Not a monster after the catch.

135. Ke’Shawn Vaughn – RB – Vanderbilt – 5′-10″ 214 lbs. – Decent vision with good balance and ok speed. Good pass catcher. Lacks wiggle and not explosive.

136. Quintez Cephus – WR – 6′-1″ 202 lbs. – Wisconsin – Big strong physical. Good route runner that can get himself open. Lacks deep speed. Faced 2 counts of sexual assault, case was dismissed.

137. Jason Strowbridge – IDL – North Carolina – 6′-4″ 275 lbs. – A gap jumper that lacks the size to hold his ground against double teams. Once he is into gaps, causes issues for the offense. A 34 DE or 43 DE is his future.

138. Alton Robinson – Edge – Syracuse – 6′-3″ 264 lbs. – A toolbox full of length, athletic ability, bend and explosiveness. Decent against the run. Just needs to put it all together. 34 Edge with a high ceiling.

139. Joe Bachie Jr. – LB – Michigan State – 6′-2″ 230 lbs. – a ILB with good instincts and decent range. Will pop you in the mouth when given the chance. Probably a 2 down ILBer in the NFL. Steroid suspension…

140. Michael Ojemudia – CB – Iowa – 6′-1″ 200 lbs. – Great size for the position. Plays hard, plays smart and is always under control. Not the best athlete for a CB. Zone scheme.

141. Solomon Kindley – IOL – Georgia – 6′-3″ 337 lbs. – Another mammoth Georgia lineman. A OG with beastly power that loves to use it. Again, needs a lot of technique work. His hand usage is a mess.

142. Joshua Kelley – RB – UCLA – 5′-11″ 212 lbs. – Strong, tough with good balance and hard to bring down, but lacks wiggle and HR speed. A one cut and go type of back.

143. Lynn Bowden – WR – Kentucky – 5′-11″ 204 lbs. – a gadget WR that can play RB and QB (wildcat) A real team guy that you will need to game plan to get the ball in his hands as he learns to be a slot WR.

144. Logan Wilson – LB – Wyoming – 6′-2″ 241 lbs. – A easy flowing downhill ILBer with average athletic ability, plays with smarts and under control. Don’t think he has the range to cover on passing downs. 2 Down ILBer.

145. K.J. Hill – WR – Ohio State – 6′-0″ 196 lbs. – A good route runner with decent ability in the open field. Not a burner, but not a slug either.

146. Colby Parkinson – TE – Stanford – 6′-7 252 lbs. – Big with a big wingspan, he will torture defenders in the middle of the field and the endzone. Not a great blocker and needs to get stronger.

147. Jack Driscoll – OT – Auburn – 6′-5″ 306 lbs. – A smaller RT with a good athletic profile. In other words. Perfect for a zone scheme only. Needs to add power and some technique work.

148. Antonio Gandy-Golden – WR – Liberty – 6′-4″ 223 lbs. – Crazy catches are littered throughout his highlights. Outstanding catch radius combined with flypaper hands make him a bigtime contested and 50-50 ball receiver. Not a great athlete or burner.

149. Darrynton Evans – RB – Appalachian State – 5′-10″ 203 lbs. – Lightning in a bottle. His change of direction and lateral jump cuts will have defenders tackling air. HR speed. Narrow frame with little room for growth. Better outside then inside. OZS committee back.

150. J.R. Reed – S – Georgia – 6′-1″ 202 lbs. – An old school SS that works best moving forward as he doesn’t have the foot speed to be ultra rangy.

151. Harrison Bryant – TE -Florida Atlantic – 6′-5″ 243 lbs. – Athletic with good hands and is a good route runner. He isn’t a blocker. His calling card is in the middle of the field.

152. Anfernee Jennings Edge – Alabama – 6′-2″ 256 lbs. – A strong, good run defender lacking the juice and athletic ability to be a consistent pass rusher. Is he a 43 DE or 34 Edge on early downs? Not pass rusher regardless.

153. Javelin Guidry – CB – Utah – 5′-9″ 191 lbs. – Quick, oily and super fast. Size is going to limit him to slot/nickel/dime work.

154. Hakeem Adeniji – OT – Kansas – 6′-4″ 302 lbs. – Another smaller LT that moves well and could slide into a zone scheme easily. needs to add power.

155. Jacob Breeland – TE – Oregon – 6′-5″ 252 lbs. – An average at best athlete, but plays with an edge and isn’t afraid of contact. Good hands and can get deep. Decent inline blocker.

156. Isaiah Hodgins – WR – Oregon State – 6′-4″ 210 lbs. – A good route runner for a man his size, good catch radius. Good hands. Not a deep threat.

157. Geno Stone – S – Iowa – 5′-10″ 207 lbs. – Another kid from Iowa with smarts, instincts and lacks a big athletic profile. Works best in the box or zone coverage.

158. Markus Bailey – LB – Purdue – 6′-1″ 235 lbs. – A Kiser clone in the fact that he is a smart. between the tackles, run stopping machine. Not enough athletic ability or speed to cover against the pass. 2019 knee injury muddies his water. 2 down ILB.

159. Anthony Gordan – QB – Washington State – 6′-2″ 205 lbs. – Tough leader with an OK arm. Air Raid muddies the water, but he can manage a football team.

160. McTelvin Agim – IDL – Arkansas – 6′-3″ 309 lbs. – Strong off the snap with plenty of juice to shoot gaps and finish. Really losses interest playing the run. If you can get that turned around, you have a 310 man with rare athletic traits for that size.

161. Josiah Deguara – TE – Cincinnati – 6′-2″ 242 lbs. – Good inline blocker regardless his size, is also a good route runner and pass catcher. Not a tremendous athlete, but is first team try hard TE. A balanced TE.

162. Gabriel Davis – WR – UCF – 6′-2″ 216 lbs. – Exciting athlete with decent speed and plays with a bit of an edge. hands are meh, and he didn’t run a ton of different routes.

163. D.J. Wonnum – Edge – South Carolina – 6′-5″ 258 lbs. – An above average athlete that can do a little of everything, but isn’t great at any one thing. Perfect size for 34 Edge with a great motor.

164. Justin Strnad – LB – Wake Forest – 6′-3″ 238 lbs. – Smooth moving forward and backward, can run and cover and go sideline to sideline. Would rather run around blockers then stack and shed. Still learning the nuances so his arrow is pointing up. ILBer in an odd front or WILL in an even front.

165. Raequan Williams – IDL – Michigan State – 6′-4″ 308 lbs. – Not a great athlete, but is strong, can stack and hold his ground and when he does get in the backfield, he finishes well. Needs to get more consistent on effort.

166. Terence Steele – OT – Texas Tech – 6′-6″ 312 lbs. – Great hands and a powerful upper body, needs some sand in his pants. More of a man blocking guy, as he lacks movement skills for zone.

167. Myles Bryant – CB – Washington – 5′-8″ 183 lbs. – another slot CB, plays faster than he ran, explosive movement skills.

168. Lamar Jackson – CB – Nebraska – 6′-2″ 208 lbs. – Big, long and physical. Speed will give him issues. Press man CB.

169. Julian Blackmon – S – Utah – 6′-0″ 187 lbs. – Fun kid on tape. Plenty of speed and range, great physicality, but at the same time, not a tremendous athlete.

170. Devin Duvernay – WR – Texas – 5′-10″ 200 lbs. – a speed demon that would rather run you over then around you. A RB in a WRs body. A smart OC can do alot of stuff with this kid. Small catch radius.

171. Essang Bassey – CB – Wake Forest – 5′-9″ 191 lbs. – a nickel/slot CB that gets after it and is a smooth enough athlete to mirror really well.

172. Charlie Heck – OT – North Carolina – 6′-8″ 311 lbs. – As Alyo has stated, the son of a coach. Smart, good technique and excellent length. Needs to add some weight and power. Great developmental type of L/RT.

173. James Lynch – IDL – Baylor – 6′-4″ 289 lbs. – Monster sack production from a guy with not a ton of athletic ability. Not twitchy and not explosive. Just average strength. Really just wins on an all-day motor and a give ’em hell attitude.

174. Trevis Gipson – Edge – Tulsa – 6′-4″ 261 lbs. – an easy mover with decent burst and good flexibility. Can get bullied against the run. Developmental 34 Edge.

175. James Morgan – QB – FIU – 6′-4″ 229 lbs. – A toolsy gunslinger with no fear. Not sure he has the tools above the neck to be a pro QB.

176. John Simpson – IOL – Clemson – 6′-4″ 321 lbs. – A power blocker that can get over-extended at times, but will run you over. Lacks horizontal movement ability. Man power scheme fit.

177. A.J. Green – CB – Oklahoma State – 6′-1″ 202 lbs. – Physical CB, sometimes too physical. Decent speed and a decent athletic profile.

178. Harrison Hand – CB – Temple – 5′-11″ 197 lbs. – Smart, tough and has some ballhawk to him. Not the quickest CB. Zone CB

179. Jalen Elliott – S – Notre Dame – 6′-0″ 205 lbs. – Slow, moderate athlete, but man he loves to blow up ball carriers. IMO a box safety or a big nickel LBer.

180. Mitchell Wilcox- TE – South Florida – 6′-3″ 247 lbs. – Hard working combo TE that had good production, but won’t wow you as an athlete. I worry a bit about his hands.

181. Michael Onwenu – IOL – Michigan – 6′-3″ 344 lbs. – An absolute tank in the trenches. Surprisingly decent footwork. Great power. Not a great mover. Man scheme.

182. Trevon Hill – Edge – Miami – 6′-3″ 248 lbs. – Athletic, bursty edge with a nice pass rush. Needs to add weight to handle the run. Pass rush specialist early. 34 Edge.

183. Binjimen Victor – WR – Ohio State – 6′-4″ 198 lbs. – Another big catch radius guy with nice hands. Not a deep threat, but is kinda dangerous in the open field.

184. Carter Coughlin – Edge – Minnesota – 6′-3″ 236 lbs. – an undersized 34 edge rusher with some burst and fluid movement skills. Cannot match power with anyone, and his run defending suffers from that.

185. Josiah Scott – CB – Michigan State – 5′-9″ 185 lbs. – A nickel back with good speed and decent toughness for his size. Good ball skills. Too small to survive on the outside.

186. Jonathan Garvin – Edge – Miami – 6′-4″ 263 lbs. – 43 DE that can set a strong edge and keep everything inside. Not a ton of burst, and average athletically. Decent pass rush on physical traits alone.

187. Scott Frantz – OT – Kansas State – 6′-5″ 300 lbs. – Mauler strength and a maulers mentality. Not a great athlete and needs to add weight.

188. – Patrick Taylor Jr. – RB – Memphis – 6′-1″ 217 lbs. – big, powerful and hard to bring down. Not great feet and not very imaginative with the ball. Short yardage back IMO.

189. Khalil Davis – IDL – Nebraska – 6′-2″ 308 lbs. – Not real long, but a quick first step and a good motor is where he wins. Not a great run defender due to his lack of length.

190. Myles Dorn – S – North Carolina – 6′-2″ 205 lbs. – A decent all-around S with good work in the box and some solid pass defense stats. His lack of speed may limit his upside.

191. Kendall Coleman – Edge – Syracuse – 6′-3″ 257 lbs. – Average athlete that is really still developing his skill set. Good motor and plays with nice physicality. Needs to be developed. Developmental 34 Edge.

192. Jake Hanson – IOL – Oregon – 6′-4″ 303 lbs. – A zone scheme OC. A technician and good athlete, lacks the strength to trade power with defenders.

193. Mykal Walker – LB – Fresno State – 6′-3″ 230 lbs. – Has played DE, Edge and ILB. So, he is a movable chess pc. I like him as an ILB in an odd front. Certainly knows how to blitz, can drop into coverage and will stick his nose in the fan in run support. Needs development time, due to so many position changes.

194. Lavert Hill – CB – Michigan – 5′-10″ 190 lbs. – A hard-nosed press man. Lacks speed to stay with the fast WRs. Might work inside. Man only.

195. Cheyenne O’Grady – TE – Arkansas – 6′-4″ 253 lbs. – A natural pass catcher with good route running. A willing blocker, although it isn’t a strength. Tough to bring down. His biggest issue is he was dismissed from the team for saying he was going to quit after the Bama game.

196. – Michael Warren II – RB – Cincinnati – 5′-9″ 226 lbs. – Decent feet for his build (a bowling ball) with good power and contact balance. Not making you miss and isn’t a HR hitter. Another short yardage back IMO.

197. Tanner Muse – S – Clemson – 6′-2″ 227 lbs. – A big S, maybe a LBer…4.41 speed, can play deep due to his speed and athleticism, can play in the box due to his size. Never put it all together for his profile.

198. Aaron Parker – WR – Rhode Island – 6′-2″ 209 lbs. – A good blend of physicality combines with his ability to go up and get it makes him a contested catch monster. He needs to develop his route running.

199. Jacob Phillips – LB – LSU – 6′-4″ 229 lbs. – Great size, great production, but is lacking that toughness you want in a LBer. Good speed, but not exactly explosive. Plays with patience and under control. ILB or WILL

200. Sewo Olonilua – RB – TCU – 6′-3″ 232 lbs. – Another short yardage specialist. Not fast, quick or nimble. He is a load to bring down and will wear you out.

201. Kyle Murphy – IOL – Rhode Island – 6′-3″ 316 lbs. – Overpowered FCS competition, needs to add size and power to do that at the NFL level. He’s an easy mover with good footwork. Scheme versatile.

202. Joe Reed – WR – Virginia – 6′-0″ 224 lbs. – A deep threat with good hands and can return in STs. Has some wiggle. Another gadget kid early as he learns to run routes properly.

203. Stephen Sullivan – TE – LSU – 6′-5″ 248 lbs. – Massive seam buster that got lost in the shuffle of an all star offense. Long, middle of the field mismatch. Not a tremendous blocker.

204. Benito Jones – IDL – Ole Miss – 6′-1″ 316 lbs. – a fire hydrant with very good strength. Won’t slide thru gaps but holds more than his own against the run. A true NT with a little pass rush push.

205. Jaylinn Hawkins – S – California – 6′-1″ 208 lbs. – Smart, physical with some range. Not a ton and won’t wow you going sideline to sideline. Decent ball skills, but he has room for improvement.

206. Trajan Bandy – CB – Miami – 5′-8″ 180 lbs. – Smooth footed DB that moves well in space and has OK speed. Lack of size and strength is an issue.

207. Jauan Jennings – WR – Tennessee – 6′-3″ 215 lbs. – A runaway beer truck in the open field. Tough to bring down. Slow play speed and ran a 4.74 so that matches what you see.

208. Davion Taylor – LB – Colorado – 6′-1″ 228 lbs. – Late comer to football. Kid is a PAC 12 track star, so he can fly, great athlete, smooth mover. Great motor. Needs to get stronger and needs massive development. WILL or ILB in a 34.

209. Kyahva Tezino – LB – San Diego State – 6′-0″ 235 lbs. – Plays the run well, decent athlete that can get to the sidelines and plays with patience and intelligence. Lacks length and quickness.

210. Devin Asiasi – TE – UCLA – 6′-3″ 257 lbs. – a combo blocker/receiver with good size for the position. Needs technical work in all aspects. Developmental type traditional TE.

211. Jace Whittaker – CB – Arizona – 5′-11″ 185 lbs. – a ballhawk with good instincts and good speed. Not very physical and lacks great size.

212. Colton McKivitz – OT – West Virginia – 6′-6″ 306 lbs. – Big, strong RT prospect that has issues against speed. Can get out over his feet when he lunges at targets.

213. Dalton Keene – TE – Virginia Tech – 6′-4″ 253 lbs. – Here is your late round, H-back, fullback, TE. He can block and catch but was never really given much opportunity. Decent athlete, but plays like an old school TE.

214. Kindle Vildor – CB – Georgia Southern – 5′-10″ 191 lbs. – Ballhawking athletic CB with the size and footwork to work in any scheme. Not great in run support. Can be over-aggressive.

215. Stephen Guidry – WR – Mississippi State – 6′-3″ 201 lbs. – Long with long arms and decent deep speed. Can go up and get it, or win over the top. Not a great route runner.

216. J.J. Taylor – RB – Arizona – 5′-5″ 185 lbs. – Scat back with good receiving skills. Plays fater then he ran, but obviously not a between the tackles type.

217. James Robinson – RB – Illinois State – 5′-9″ 219 lbs. – A hammer that did it all for ISU. Surprising speed can catch you off guard. not very shifty.

218. Justin Herron – OT – Wake Forest – 6′-4″ 308 lbs. – A OG in the NFL. Good pass blocker with decent footwork, has trouble trading power in the run game. Zone scheme OG.

219. Reggie Robinson II – CB – Tulsa – 6′-1″ 205 lbs. – Long with decent athletic profile, does his best work in a zone and things are in front of him. Nice production. Modest athlete.

220. Tyrie Cleveland – WR – Florida – 6′-2″ 209 lbs. – Long and fast. Never ran a diverse route tree, but he can eat up a DB in a hurry. Will need some development.

221. Jon Runyan – OT – Michigan – 6′-4″ 306 lbs. – I think he moves inside to OG. Son of an NFL OT. So he is smart. Good athlete but lacks strength. zone scheme OG.

222. Tipa Galea’i – EDGE – Utah State – 6′-5″ 235 lbs. – An explosive, oily, easy mover. Needs to add mass if he wants to hold up against the run.

223. Nigel Warrior – S – Tennessee – 6′-0″ 190 lbs. – Vols played him everywhere from what I saw. So he can do some of everything. Good athlete, good run defender for hsi size. Lack of ball production is a concern.

224. Nevelle Clarke – CB – UCF – 6′-1″ 190 lbs. – I called him a mini Ramsey. Plays with a swagger and a ballhawks mentality. Great size for a CB. Easy mover. Needs to add strength and some weight to reach his full potential.

225. Salvon Ahmed – RB – Washington – 5′-11″ 197 lbs. – Long speed despite what he ran at the combine. Decent wiggle in the open field. Due to size, a 3rd down back only. Lacks power and vision.

226. James Proche – WR – SMU – 5′-11″ 201 lbs. – Natural hands and just catches everything. Smooth athlete, with great college production. Not a burner. Needs to work on route running.

227. Cameron Brown – LB – Penn State – 6′-5″ 233 lbs. – Long for a LBer. Also raw. Can cover a ton of ground quickly and goes sideline to sideline. Not great in coverage. Not sure his position fit. 43 OLB or maybe add 15-20 lbs and make him a 34 edge?

228. Sean McKeon – TE – Michigan – 6′-5″ 242 lbs. – A combo TE that can block in line and be used as a pass catcher. Not the most dynamic route runner, or athlete, but he competes hard. Good 3rd TE for a roster.

229. Cole McDonald – QB – Hawaii – 6′-3″ 215 lbs. – An absolute howitzer of an arm. Good NFL size. A rhythm passer that loves getting the ball deep. Everything breaks down once he is off schedule.

230. Quez Watkins – WR – Southern Miss – 6′-0″ 185 lbs. – Will take the top off a defense. No idea how to run a route, gets open from DBs being scared of being ran by. Electric in the open field. Needs to add some good weight.

231. Bravvion Roy – IDL – Baylor – 6′-1″ 333 lbs. – Not your typical NT. He can dominate against the run, but has some juice to get after the QB (6 sacks this year) Short length will limit his upside.

232. Kamal Martin – LB – Minnesota – 6′-3″ 240 lbs. – A 34 ILB that fills that downhill run plugger role that is tight hipped and lacks the range to work 3 downs. Will stick you when given the chance.

233. Grayland Arnold – CB – Baylor – 5′-9″ 186 lbs. – Nickel CB with great ball production. Smooth lower body makes him sticky, has a ballhawk mentality. Lacks size to hold up on the outside.

234. Trey Adams – OT – Washington – 6′-8″ 318 lbs. – Power blocking scheme only, once a top 25 pick, now maybe undraftable due to multiple injuries. Carries bad weight. A better athlete then mauler so his skill set doesn’t match his power (or lack thereof)

235. Charlie Taumoepeau – TE – Portland State – 6′-2″ 240 lbs. – Literally a move TE. He played H-back, RB, TE, WR for Portland State. So he can block and catch and be a nice depth piece. Nothing athletically extrordinary.

236. Darryl Williams – IOL – Mississippi State – 6′-2″ 304 lbs. – A OG/OC prospect with decent power and good technique. Needs to add some power. A tad stiff movement wise. Developmental depth for a power blocking team.

237. Tyler Clark – IDL – Georgia – 6′-4″ 300 lbs. – nice get off with good hand usage to keep himself clean. Kinda frenetic, and will wash himself out at times. Good power.

238. Levonta Taylor – CB – Florida State – 5′-10″ 190 lbs. – a CB turned safety, smooth lower half and good speed and lack of strength make him an ideal zone fit, either as a nickel or S. had back problems in the past.

239. Kalija Lipscomb – WR – Vanderbilt – 6′-0″ 207 lbs. – Good route runner with reliable hands. Just an OK athlete and not a burner.

240. Tyler Huntley – QB – Utah – 6′-1″ 205 lbs. – A real athlete with the ball in his hands. Can scramble, throw on the run and generally work his way around in the pocket. Accuracy is OK. Pretty good arm strength. I don’t think he can read a defense yet.

241. Stanford Samuels III – CB – Florida State – 6′-1″ 187 lbs. – Long and a bit clumsy. Would be a good zone CB with some developmental upside.

242. Robert Landers – IDL – Ohio State – 6′-1″ 285 lbs. – A 34 DE that lacks the usual length. Strong with a good burst. Decent athlete. At his best in a straight line.

243. Shyheim Carter – S – Alabama – 5′-10″ 194 lbs. – A CB/S that was used as a hybrid 3rd safety for the Tide. Could be a movable piece in the secondary. Not overly fast or athlete. Declined to test at the combine reinforcing that idea.

244. Freddie Swain – WR – Florida – 6′-0″ 197 lbs. – Good athlete with good hands and good speed. Not a very nuanced route runner and lacked college production. Punt returner bonus.

245. Mohamed Barry – LB – Nebraska – 6′-1″ 245 lbs. – A bull in a china shop ILBer with sideline to sideline athleticism. Tough and strong just kinda running around out there hitting things and overrunning other things…

246. John Reid – CB – Penn State – 5′-10″ 187 lbs. – A physical press man CB that due to lack of size will end up being a Nickel Back. Average speed to match his average athletic ability.

247. Jordan Fuller – S – Ohio State – 6′-2″ 203 lbs. – A single high safety that is too slow to play single high in the NFL IMO. Racked up a ton of tackles and loves to hit. I like him as a depth/3rd safety with plenty of upside in the box.

248. Darius Anderson – RB – TCU – 5′-10″ 208 lbs. – A tough little runner with plenty of takeoff, lacks the top end to be a HR threat and lacks the size to be a between that tackles guy.

249. Derrek Tuszka – Edge – North Dakota St. – 6′-5″ 251 lbs. – A 43 end that will transition to a standup 34 edge. Tough, strong and can hold up vs the run. Great pass rush production. Decent athlete, but lacks flexibility to bend around the edge.

250. Rodrigo Blankenship – K – Georgia – 6′-1″ 197 lbs. – He kicks footballs and I love his nerd glasses. I dare you to find that kind of draft analysis anywhere but here. LOL

2020 Small School Prospects In The Senior Bowl.

Kyle Dugger SS 6’2″ 220 Lenoir-Rhyne
Adam Trautman TE 6’6″ 255 Dayton
Ben Bartch C 6’6″ 306 St. Johns(MN)
Antonio Gandy-Golden WR 6’4″ 216 Liberty
Charlie Taumoepeau TE 6’3″ 245 Portland State
Jeremy Chinn FS 6’3″ 212 Southern Illinois

Small School Prospects I like, but should be able to get them late in the draft, to UDFAs.

Dajour Nesbeth CB 6’1″ 195 Tennessee State
Andrew Dickinson OG 6’3″ 312 Finlay(OH) College

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waterfield wrote:

I did not know opinions had a “value”. I mean aren’t they simply “opinions”.

Remember, it’s the online right-wing hitman (rwh) who brought up the idea that opinions have “value” depending on who you are. The vid WV posted shoots that idea to pieces. RWH claims “the left” (or his imaginary version of it) discounts opinions if you’re not oppressed, which…is something no one on the left has ever said.

But leaving intersectionality out of it, yes opinions can have value. That’s why we have the phrase “I value your opinion.” Some things can only BE opinions, and can’t be determined by facts, science, or law.

So let’s say you wanted to eat out in Portland Maine, and you posted and said zn, where should I eat in Portland Maine. What I say in response to that can only be an opinion, but it’s a decently informed one. Imagine then adding, but remember zn your opinion of that does not matter any more than someone who has never been there.

Opinions can matter, it depends.

And sometimes they don’t count for much. Someone’s OPINION of climate change has far less standing than actual factual knowledge of what it is and what the science has said about it.

Anyway. Everything I say here is factual and is backed by science, law, the bible, and some very accomplished psychics.

wv wrote:

Sometimes i like fresh tomato slices on my grilled cheese. Sometimes i like more than one kind of cheese on them.

Promise me soup and grilled cheese for life, and i would probly vote for Trump.

w
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What kinda soup. It matters.

One of the advantages of living near Portland ME, besides short summers and having to use a snow blower to get out of the driveway several times a year, is the concentration of big time foodie culture in the area and the virtually endless list of good places to eat. Sometimes I look up the daily specials of a few places on line, and plan my route to work or on errands depending on who has what soup that day.

I will break out the ole AK47 and use it to cut in line when a good place has Lentil soup that day.

For the national security people who might still be monitoring this board, the AK47 bit was a joke. It’s a hyperbolic metaphor comically amping up the while idea of intensity of purpose. Have a nice day.

…

I unfortunately have a cold.

So whatever plans I THOUGHT I had have been lost. They will have to wait for the next Rams superbowl. Unless getting a cold when the Rams are in the superbowl turns out to be an annual tradition.

So for me? Chicken noodle soup. And lots of it too. Fortunately, as you know the Portland area does not lack for eateries, and a lot of the nearby places like making soup. So I got a bunch at one place. In fact, the place where I got it calls their chicken soup “the flu chaser.” It’s good. I am content.

Let the game begin.

They aren’t going ANYWHERE without financial help, and Los Angeles – the 2nd largest city in the country – couldn’t get a football stadium together anywhere in the region going back 35 years. The only reason there is a stadium in LA is a billionaire bought all the property himself, and built the stadium himself. Spanos is just not a member of that club, and nowhere in the LA area is going to come through NOW when there’s a big fucking palace in Inglewood that the Chargers can play in for $1 a year, especially since the Chargers can’t draw 20,000 fans a game without help from fans of other teams. It just does not pencil out for anybody. No way is Anaheim going to house the Chargers.

I think Ag is right. St. Louis isn’t going to pony up a dowry to attract another fickle bride. The NFL would have to finance that, and that isn’t a business move. So…no.

Mexico City is an intriguing possibility for a lot of reasons, but may have some obstacles that make it less desirable. I imagine the money is there. And I imagine there would be some significant desire in Mexico, but…I have never heard a peep about any kind of proposal at all. I mean…nothing.

I don’t know, but I suspect Portland and San Antonio simply aren’t big enough to join the NFL.

My guess is that Spanos gets bought out under pressure eventually. That they just ultimately find that they can’t meet the ante at the Big Boy table anymore, and have to fold.

I think one thing is for sure. As long as the Rams’ Glory Run continues, the Chargers are going to live in the shade, and LA is a lousy place to live without a tan.

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Rams agree to terms with free agent defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh on one-year contract

By Gary Klein
Mar 26, 2018 | 3:20 PM

From the moment the 2017 season ended with a playoff defeat, Rams general manager Les Snead planned to spend the offseason making the teams’ defense more on par with its high-scoring offense.

“We get that thing to dominant,” Snead said of the defense, “it would be kind of fun.”

The Rams are looking dominant, on paper anyway. And they continued a frenzied offseason Monday by agreeing to terms with free-agent defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh on a one-year contract.

Terms of the deal were not disclosed but the deal is reportedly worth $14 million.

Suh is the third major addition to a defense that the Rams were working to put on the level of its offense, which ranked among the league’s best in 2017.

In February, Snead traded for cornerback Marcus Peters. This month, before the start of free agency, he traded for cornerback Aqib Talib. The cornerbacks, with a combined five Pro Bowl selections between them, come with combined salaries that totaled less than it would have cost to retain Trumaine Johnson.

Now the Rams have added the 6-foot-4, 307-pound Suh, giving them a potentially dominant front that also will feature NFL defensive player of the year Aaron Donald and Michael Brockers.

Suh, 31, chose the Rams over the New Orleans Saints, Tennessee Titans, New York Jets and, perhaps, the Seattle Seahawks. The Rams were the final stop on Suh’s free-agent tour. He visited the Rams’ facility last Tuesday and had dinner that night with coach Sean McVay and team executives at Nobu in Malibu.

“We came away impressed with just the human being,” McVay said Sunday night at the NFL owners meetings. “He’s got a good perspective.”

The Jets were thought to have made the largest offer, but team owner Christopher Johnson told reportersSunday that the Jets had rescinded.

“That can’t be anything but good news for us,” McVay said Sunday night.

On Monday, before the deal was announced, Snead said he was not antsy.

“It would probably be different if you needed a decision from him, let’s call it ASAP, because it might affect another decision,” Snead said. “In this case, because this is more, ‘Hey, you know what? This bonus became available’… the timeline is not holding us back.

“That’s what makes this situation probably different than some.”

This will be the third NFL team for Suh, a Portland, Oregon native who attended college at Nebraska and was the second overall pick by the Detroit Lions in the 2010 draft.

Suh, a five-time Pro Bowl selection, played five seasons with the Lions before signing a six-year, $114-million contract with the Miami Dolphins that included $60 million in guarantees.

Suh has 51½ sacks, but the vast majority came early in his career. Last season, he had 4½ sacks, the lowest total of his career in a 16-game season.

The Dolphins released Suh on March 14, making him a free agent for the second time.

This time, money was probably not the decisive factor.

The Jets and the Titans were thought to have more salary-cap room for a richer deal, but the opportunity to play for McVay and defensive coordinator Wade Phillips on a team that appears to be ascending might have won Suh over.

This will be the first time in Suh’s NFL career that he will play in a 3-4 rather than a 4-3, so Phillips must design ways to get the best out of Suh and Donald.

Rams encouraged after New York Jets rescind offer to Ndamukong Suh

GARY KLEIN

http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-suh-20180325-story.html

The math in the Ndamukong Suh sweepstakes took a turn in the Rams’ favor Sunday, and coach Sean McVay sounded encouraged by the development.

New York Jets owner Christopher Johnson told reporters at the NFL owners meetings that his team had rescinded its offer to Suh, a five-time Pro Bowl defensive tackle.

“That can’t be anything but good news for us,” McVay said after a reception for attendees.

Said Rams general manager Les Snead: “Time will tell, right? I’m sure in all these situations there’s multiple teams usually involved and you never really know when the other teams pull out or not. So we’ll wait and see.”

Suh, released two weeks ago by the Miami Dolphins, has visited the Rams, Tennessee Titans and New Orleans Saints. The Portland, Ore., native also has reportedly spoken with the Seattle Seahawks.

Suh visited the Rams last Tuesday, and then canceled a scheduled visit with the Oakland Raiders before the Jets entered the bidding with what was reportedly the largest offer.

Suh’s visit with the Rams went “really well,” McVay said.

“We came away impressed with just the human being,” he said. “He’s got a good perspective.

“We’re hopeful that a lot of the things he said he’s looking for is kind of what our organization can provide. And hopefully we’ll figure out soon if he’s going to be a Ram or not.”

Suh, an eight-year veteran with 51½ sacks, would add an intimidating element to a Rams front that includes NFL defensive player of the year Aaron Donald and Michael Brockers.

During Suh’s visit, the Rams focused on how he would fit in defensive coordinator Wade Phillips’ 3-4 scheme.

“We wanted to really get him in and show him who we were,” Snead said, adding, “and how we were going to play him, and how he’s going to fit in the 3-4 next to Brock and Aaron Donald.”

zn wrote:

Several thousand demonstrators are ready to ‘March For Our Lives’ down Congress St. in Portland.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-defensive-line-20180320-story.html

Rams try to convince Ndamukong Suh to come to L.A.
Gary Klein
By Gary Klein
Mar 20, 2018 | 4:55 PM

Recruiting overtures from the Rams began last week, just after the Miami Dolphins released five-time Pro Bowl defensive lineman Ndamukong Suh.

Hall of Fame running back Eric Dickerson made the initial pitch.

.@NdamukongSuh come to the @RamsNFL. Los Angeles, @NFL Super Bowl contender, legendary DC @sonofbum, defensive POY @AaronDonald97, All Pro secondary, great offense. This dream can become a reality. Let's win a Super Bowl for LA!#Suh2LA #Rambassador

— Eric Dickerson (@EricDickerson) March 13, 2018

Then newly acquired Rams cornerback Aqib Talib, winner of a Super Bowl title with the Denver Broncos, weighed in.

@NdamukongSuh let’s get it!!! Last time I went to a organization and they brought in 3 big time players on defense we won the chip!!!🤔 https://t.co/rcDrN2W1YN

— AqibTalib21 (@AqibTalib21) March 14, 2018

On Monday, the day before Suh’s visit with the Rams in Thousand Oaks, Pro Bowl punter Johnny Hekker offered his thoughts.

Hey @NdamukongSuh,
Please come and play for our team.
Love,
The Punter

— Johnny Hekker (@JHekker) March 19, 2018

The tweets might have warmed the heart of the 6-foot-4, 307-pound Suh, but the real sales job commenced Tuesday. Suh was scheduled to meet with Rams coaches and have dinner with head coach Sean McVay and other front-office personnel.

The Rams are the latest stop on Suh’s free-agent tour. It has included visits with the Tennessee Titans and the New Orleans Saints. Suh, who grew up in Portland, Ore., also has reportedly expressed interest in the Seattle Seahawks and is scheduled to visit the Oakland Raiders on Wednesday, according to ESPN.com.

But it is the Rams, and the potential pairing of Suh with reigning NFL defensive player of the year Aaron Donald on the same line, that has NFL observers buzzing.

Donald, 6-1 and 280 pounds, is regarded as perhaps the league’s most disruptive defensive player. He has amassed 39 sacks in four NFL seasons. Suh has 51½ career sacks in eight seasons, though only 15½ during his three with the Dolphins. Last season he had 4½ sacks, the lowest total for a season in which he played all 16 games.

Suh also has cultivated a reputation for sometimes overly aggressive play. During his five seasons with the Detroit Lions, he was fined nine times for nearly $300,000 for penalties and incidents during games. In 2013 he was fined $100,000 for an illegal low block on then-Minnesota Vikings center John Sullivan, who’s now with the Rams.

Suh was sidelined for two games in 2011 while serving a suspension for stomping the arm of a Green Bay Packers lineman, the only starts he has missed in 128 regular-season games.

Donald, 26, and Suh, 31, could line up next to Michael Brockers in defensive coordinator Wade Phillips’ 3-4 scheme and wreak havoc in opposing backfields.

Donald already is familiar with Suh — particularly Suh’s last contract: a six-year, $114-million deal the Dolphins gave him in 2015, that included $60 million in guarantees.

Donald earned $1.8 million last season. He did not participate in organized team activities, minicamps or training camp because he wanted a new deal, and he sat out the opener. He still finished with a team-high 11 sacks in 14 games.

Donald, scheduled to earn about $6.9 million this season, is seeking a contract that would make him the highest-paid defensive player and among the richest in the NFL.

Rams general manager Les Snead said last week that a “timeline” for continued discussions with Donald’s representatives was in place, but he declined to be more specific.

The Rams have about $30 million in salary-cap space. They are not expected to be the top bidder for Suh. But the opportunity to play for McVay and Phillips and alongside Donald, for a playoff team that appears to be ascending, might entice him to join the Rams’ remade defense on a short-term deal.

Signing Suh would be the latest in a series of moves to strengthen a defense that last season ranked 28th against the run, 13th against the pass, 19th overall and 12th in fewest points allowed.

Snead rebuilt the secondary by trading for Talib and cornerback Marcus Peters, signing veteran cornerback Sam Shields, and re-signing slot cornerback Nickell Robey-Coleman. But the Rams need depth for their pass rush and at linebacker.

After trading veteran linebackers Robert Quinn and Alec Ogletree, the Rams are counting on second-year pro Samson Ebukam to fill Quinn’s edge-rushing role and provide better run defense. Third-year pro Cory Littleton could step in for Ogletree.

Suh was expected to encounter at least one familiar face during his visit with the Rams.

Ted Rath, the team’s strength and conditioning coach, was an assistant strength coach for the Lions from 2009 to 2015 and held the same position with the Dolphins in 2016 before he was hired by the Rams last season.

3 old articles on Rams / Jags ownership evolution…….

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/377977-kroenke-vs-khan-fight

Stan Kroenke Vs. Shahid Khan: The Fight for St. Louis Rams Ownership

David Leon

April 13, 2010

So the other ownership shoe dropped last night for the Rams. Adam Schefter announced on ESPN’s NFL Live that Silent Stan Kroenke has decided to exercise his contractual right of first refusal to purchase the Rams.

The report is correct. Enos Stan Kroenke has decided to exercise his contractual right of first refusal to purchase the remaining 60 percent of Ram stock he does not already own. This puts him squarely at odds with league rules and with Shahid Khan.

First, the League Rules

As you all know, the league has bylaws forbidding NFL majority owners from owning a majority share in any other sports franchise in an NFL city . The rule used to prohibit ownership of any other pro franchise in any city.

The rule was mildly re-interpreted to allow Paul Allen (owner of the Portland Trailblazers) to purchase the Seattle Seahawks. The league owners wanted Paul Allen in the clubhouse and on the golf course. The owners wanted a league connection to the new silicon economy, and to Microsoft.

League insiders have been divided on whether Kroenke might obtain a similar wavier, and/or whether the league might be prepared to do away with this archaic rule entirely. Many believe that this rule is an archaic relic of a bygone era. Many others believe the league will not change its policy for Kroenke’s sake. We are about to find out, one way or the other.

Owning both an NBA and NHL franchise in Denver should automatically disqualify Kroenke, but it just so happens he is a buddy and business partner of Pat Bowlen. Bowlen is the owner of the Denver Broncos, and co-owner of the Colorado Crush of the Arena League…along with Stan Kroenke.

Insiders expect Bowlen will plead his friend’s case. Pat Bowlen is a powerful owner, and he is also the theoretical aggrieved party , according to the strange philosophy behind the cross-ownership rule. Given Bowlen’s blessing, the deal might roll.

Several factors mitigate in Kroenke’s favor:

•The NFL Finance committee already announced that it doesn’t like one of the several financial devices Khan intends to use to purchase the Rams.
•Kroenke is already an insider. He has been partial owner of the Rams since the early 1990s. He has been vice chairman of the Rams’ board for some time, and served on several NFL committees.
•Kroenke has more money than Khan. Kroenke is worth an estimated $3 billion. His wife—Anne Walton, a Walmart heir—is worth $3.5 billion. Together they are worth approximately three times as much as Shahid Khan ($2.14 billion).
•The NFL ownership booth is one of the most exclusive clubs around. It is a consummate old boys’ network. Kroenke is much more their type of guy than Khan.

What is my take on the situation?

On the one hand, I would have been shocked if Kroenke hadn’t exercised his right to purchase the rest of the Rams. My memory fails, but I remember Kroenke buying into the Rams back in 1993 or 1994, when the Rams were having serious financial trouble keeping up with the Joneses

(Jerry Jones and Eddie DeBartolo).

It was understood at the time that he wanted to buy the whole enchilada. This was the reason for the contractual right of first refusal he has chosen to exercise now. Ever since then, Kroenke has been waiting on line to buy the Rams.

Why didn’t he just attempt to buy outright? One word: Strategy. He wanted the market to set a low price in accordance with the financial distress our nation is going through at the moment. There is also the cross-ownership rule which needs to be gotten around. Kroenke wanted to see what sort of ownership interest the Rams might scratch up, and see whether the owner’s club might prefer Kroenke to own the Rams.

Will this blow up in his face? I seriously doubt a man of Kroenke’s sense would have exercised his right of first refusal if he had not been given some indications, if not outright assurances, that the NFL would hear his case with favor. I think he is confident that he will be approved, or he would not have made this move.

Now, the Fight with Khan

If the league rejects Khan and elects Kroenke, the move could be interpreted in racial terms. Would this be a case where collection of white Europeans just didn’t want a Pakistani fellow in the clubhouse? This could make for some very interesting legal wrangling inside league circles.

Pray, for the good of the Rams, that this doesn’t happen. This could hold the Rams’ ownership status in limbo for several years. This could make for several years of lost franchise history.

URL = http://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=5496516

Stan Kroenke is new Rams owner

ATLANTA — Stan Kroenke will get his team.

He’s just got to give up two others.

The NFL unanimously approved a proposal for Kroenke to take over as majority owner of the St. Louis Rams on Wednesday, as long as he turns over control of his NBA and NHL teams to his son.

Kroenke, a 63-year-old Missouri billionaire, first became involved with bringing pro football back to St. Louis in 1993 with a failed attempt to land an expansion franchise. When the Rams moved from Los Angeles two years later, he joined the Rosenbloom family as a minority owner, increasing his stake to 40 percent in 1997.

Now, for a reported $750 million, the entire team will be his.

“I’m a 17-year overnight success,” Kroenke quipped.

But first he had to deal with NFL rules against ownership of major league franchises in other pro football cities. He owns the NBA’s Denver Nuggets and NHL’s Colorado Avalanche.

Kroenke agreed to turn over operational and financial control of those teams to 30-year-old son, Josh, by the end of the year. He must give up his majority stake in the teams by December 2014.

Kroenke marked the occasion by making a rare appearance before the media. He has steadfastly maintained a low profile as minority owner of the Rams, earning the nickname Silent Stanley.

“I just have a really busy life,” he said. “I like the members of the press. I really do. I almost went to journalism school. I just don’t have the time. It takes a lot of time to build those relationships, to nurture them.”

He scoffed as his reputation for being publicity shy.

“I’m not trying to offend anyone,” Kroenke said. “I know there’s this wonderful little picture of Silent Stan. I guess it makes good copy. But it just isn’t so.”

The NFL is confident Kroenke will follow through on his pledge to divest himself of control in the Nuggets and Avalanche, which are only part of his impressive collection of professional sports teams.

“He has tremendous experience in other sports, which is a plus,” commissioner Roger Goodell said. “One of the issues is we want owners who focus on football. That’s what Stan will be doing. He’ll be focusing more on football.”

Kroenke also owns the Colorado Rapids of Major League Soccer and the Colorado Mammoth of the National Lacrosse League. In addition, he is the largest shareholder in Arsenal of the English Premier League.

“He’s a quiet man who’s very effective in what he does,” said Bob Kraft, owner of the New England Patriots. “We learned about his other businesses and what he does, how he handles things overseas. He just does things the right way, and I know he wants to win.”

The Rams haven’t done much winning lately. Kroenke is taking control of a former Super Bowl champion that has gone 6-42 over the last three years — including an NFL-worst 1-15 a year ago.

He plans to run the Rams with the same behind-the-scenes style he had as minority owner. But there will be no mistake who’s the boss.

“I don’t think it’s a mystery the way we’re running our other clubs,” Kroenke said. “I like to know what’s going on; I like to be involved. But the No. 1 thing is finding the right people, putting them in place and trying to help them out.”

After years of sellouts, the Rams have fallen on hard times. The crowds have thinned considerably at the 15-year-old Edward Jones Dome, leading to speculation that St. Louis could lose its NFL team for the second time. The Cardinals moved to Arizona in 1987, and the NFL has made no secret that it would like to get a franchise back in Los Angeles, the nation’s second-largest market.

Kroenke’s purchase of the team would appear to make the Rams less likely to move.

“I’ve been around St. Louis and Missouri a major portion of my life,” he said. “I’ve never had any desire to lead the charge out of St. Louis. That’s not why we’re here. We’re here to work very hard and be successful in St. Louis.”

Then, he added, “Now, the realistic part of that. I live to be competitive. To be competitive, you have to have revenue. We’re going to work really hard to have a model that produces revenue where we can be consistently competitive. Anyone can be a contender in the pro sports business every so often. The real challenge is to be competitive every year.”

The Rams’ brother-sister ownership team of Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez inherited the Rams from the late Georgia Frontiere. They decided to sell because of inheritance tax issues and had a bid from Illinois businessman Shahid Khan to purchase their 60 percent share in February.

Kroenke stepped in, exercising his right to buy the rest of the team with a matching bid.

Khan issued a statement praising the man who scuttled his bid for the Rams.

“This adventure didn’t turn out the way I had hoped,” Khan said, “but it was otherwise a worthwhile experience in every respect and I’ll always be a fan of the St. Louis Rams.”

Josh Kroenke is a former Missouri basketball player. He’ll serve as governor of the NHL team and set the budget, but team president Pierre Lacroix will retain control over personnel decisions.

Given his background, the younger Kroenke will likely have a larger role with the Nuggets, who are restructuring their front office after parting with executives Mark Warkentien and Rex Chapman.

One of the Nuggets’ biggest priorities is deciding what to do with Carmelo Anthony, who has so far declined to accept a three-year, $65 million contract extension.

Stan Kroenke declined to comment on Anthony’s status at the NFL owners meeting.

“I’m here to talk about the Rams,” he said. “We’ll talk about Carmelo some other time. I’m sure Josh will have a lot of good answers for you on that.”

https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2011/11/29/2596241/stan-kroenke-shahid-khan-jacksonville-jaguars-sold

Jilted In 2010 By Stan Kroenke, Shahid Khan Buys The Jaguars

by Ryan Van Bibber Nov 29, 2011, 10:38am CST

The Jacksonville Jaguars connections to the St. Louis Rams are simply frightening today. The most recent tangent, Illinois auto parts magnate Shahid Khan will buy the Jaguars. Rams fans know Khan from his attempt to buy the Rams in 2010.

Khan was close to signing on the dotted line to purchase the 60 percent share Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez, passed to them by Georgia Frontiere. Stan Kroenke swooped in at the last minute and exercised his right to purchase the remaining portion of the team, giving him 100 percent ownership.

According to Peter King, Kroenke move “disappointed” Khan for very personal reasons.

Khan’s Americanization as a kid was centered around a love of football. Very disappointed when Kroenke trumped his bid for Rams in 2010.

Not that it matters much to me, ultimately, but there is a bit of cosmic justice in Khan finally getting to purchase an NFL team. Like he did with the Rams, Khan is promising to keep the Jags in their current city.

Now, let’s just hope Kroenke gets the Rams functional sooner than the Jags find their direction.

I’ll chime in here.

I’m 57 years old. And I’ve never met an avowed white supremacist who was part of an organized movement. Sure, I’ve met more than a few racist white people (“I’m not prejudiced, but”…Yeah, you are). But I’ve met plenty of racist POC, too. To me, it’s a sick human condition borne of, on the white side, fear of diversity and on other, resentment and anger over historical injustices. And a whole lot of ignorance all the way around.

I watched Charlottesville and seethed at the tiki-torch march while 200 fucking loons chanted anti-semitic filth. See, my girlfriend is Jewish. And I’ve never understood anti-antisemitism, even when it was explained to me by a person with a deep background in Jewish studies. That said, I put it in perspective…it was 200 loons, not 2000, 20,000 or 200,000. Out of a population of 310 million in the country. But as ugly as it was, they had every right to march and demonstrate. At the very least, they can be watched as long as they’re out in the open.

Which brings us to Antifa which -is- underground..I live in San Jose and saw the violence downtown at the infamous Trump rally where his supporters were spat on, egged and assaulted while the cops sat back and watched. It was sick and chilling. But Antifa wasn’t involved…most of the troublemakers were -allegedly- bussed in by the SEIU labor union…Up in Berkeley, that is/was another story. Antifa marched in – like Nazis- intent on cracking heads and breaking shit. Just for the sake of cracking heads, breaking shit and silencing by force any message they didn’t like (the Milo riot). Again, the cops stood by while this all happened, evading the fireworks shot at them in order to avoid “escalation.” It was chilling to watch it all unfold.These Antifa types are what they profess to hate- fascists. And I think they should labeled as a domestic terrorist organization or at least use Gang suppression laws to deal with what I believe is a true threat to our freedoms, particularly the FA. I was pleased to see so many Antifas charged with Felony Rioting in Washington during the inauguration and also the mounting arrests here and in Portland (Yvette Felarca, Bike-Lock Professor, etc) To me, this is serious shit and has to be dealt with before 100 people are killed at one of their riots…

Now I know what’s coming…what about the right-wingers who came just to rumble with communists and anarchists? Arrest them, too. All these fuckers are a threat to us all, left, middle or right…

— X — wrote:

It’s not a matter of looking at selective ‘sites’ to get a perspective of how out-of-whack the number of these Antifa fucks are in comparison to neonazis, or the KKK, or racists, or Supremacists, or whatever else we Conservatives are now. I’m not a fan of White Supremacists either, but let’s not pretend they’re suddenly some huge organization that benefited from Trump being elected President by having their ranks swell exponentially via the awakening of dormant supporters (which is what the media is leading people to believe). Their numbers are miniscule in comparison to the population. Antifa, on the other hand, isn’t some club you can join. It’s a movement consisting of members from all walks of life who don’t possess the intellectual capacity to differentiate between Conservatism and pure, unadulterated hate groups. And for that, I blame the education system. Specifically Universities. The shit young adults are being taught now is negligent.

Talk about the need for border security – you’re a racist.
Talk about the need for a stronger military – you’re an imperialist.
Talk about the decline of morality – you’re a religious zealot (and intolerant)
Dispute the claim that global warming is indisputable – you’re a moron.
Failure to acknowledge income inequality – you’re privileged (horeshit)
You’re white? Holy shit are you evil.
and so on, and so on.

I don’t expect you (or 99% of this board) to acknowledge that the left is destroying Western Civilization. It’s only my opinion based on the way I see things unfolding now (and over the past decade). But I do expect some of you to acknowledge that this whole “White Supremacy” thing is WAYYYYYY overblown, and only became a dangerous threat about 8 months ago. And again, for no other reason than it was suggested and/or conjured. Not because it’s any more prevalent than it was 8 years ago.

I want to ask you a few things because I think I can ask you and get a straight answer, whereas talking online with other conservatives usually goes badly. I mean…these conversations often go off the rails, and become hopeless. I know you well enough that I think if I accidentally offend you, you won’t take it personally.

First of all…an observation. This isn’t meant to be a judgement, just an observation. A few of the attitudes you express here seem to me to be what must be circulating amongst the conservative media outlets because I see the same stuff repeated by others.

Namely:

1. Neo-Nazis are a small, insignificant group and the Left is over-reacting.
2. Antifa is worse, and more violent. (This is always couched in terms of, “I’m not a racist, but…).
3. Universities are basically leftist indoctrination machines, and not to be trusted.
4. The Left says that being a white male is bad in and of itself.
5. The issue with Illegal Immigration has nothing to do with race; it has to do with Legality

On 1 & 2: From my point of view, the logic here doesn’t hold up. The very standard of measurement you and other conservatives hold up here seems to me to lead to the opposite conclusion. First of all, you are dismissing nazis by saying there aren’t many of them. But there are far fewer Antifa. There are hardly any. They popped up in Berkeley, and Portland, I think. But they are not showing up in any significant numbers anywhere. They are a minority amongst the counter-protesters even at the events they do show up at. You complained earlier about the Left’s lack of intellectual ability to distinguish subgroups…well….? And secondly, we KNOW that the folks in Charlottesville showed up ready to rumble, and not just because they came literally armed. There are emails and forum posts that talk about mixing it up before they even went up there. And look who got arrested. So the narrative doesn’t even match what the police did and said. Furthermore, FFS, it was a nazi who drove a car into counter-protesters killing one and injuring 19, as you well know, and they weren’t Antifa, either. As zn pointed out, on the one hand there is a group that stereotypes large numbers of people and actively promotes discrimination (and worse!) against all of those people, and on the other side, a group of people whose ONLY motive is to stop that movement from taking on any legitimacy whatsoever. And, yes, they use violence to do so, and shouldn’t. In my view, the nazis or worse. They discriminate with a very broad brush, whereas Antifa is targeted exclusively on stopping the legitimacy of hatred. So when you come out and say, “Fascists are bad, but they don’t really matter because there aren’t many of them. Anti-fascists are worse” even though there are even fewer of them, the conclusion I draw is this (and tell me how I’m wrong): You don’t like the fascists, but you recognize that you share other common purposes outside the realm of race, so they are a shitty ally, but they are an ally nonetheless in the war against the Left, and that matters more to you than the “numerically insignificant” racist stuff. That’s what I get.

On number 3: I don’t know what to say. I don’t think there is any way to have dialogue on this because people see what they want to see here. I can only say this point of view makes me very sad because I personally have a great deal of faith in mankind’s collective ability to advance knowledge and understanding, and universities are the best institution for those advances for a variety of reasons. I think distrust of universities is literally imperiling civilization.

#4: They don’t say that, and by “they,” I mean thoughtful, calm, educated people on the Left, including Liberals. I completely understand how it feels that way, and I have personally been attacked for being a white male myself. But…to me…that gets back to the Broad Brush issue. Personally, I don’t believe that there is a correlation between political ideology and intelligence. There are plenty of idiots on my side of the fence. My son and I have made a hobby of pointing out the morons we largely agree with.

#5. Well. This isn’t going to go well. My problem here is that if this was really about Law and Order, and Legality, the people complaining about this would also have complained about Joe Arpaio. We have all kinds of legal violations going on in this country, and the Right is selective in its outrage about this fact. This just really looks to me like sophistry, to some extent the same kind of rationalization that is used in 1 & 2 above. “We really care about law and process HERE, but over there it doesn’t really matter.” We can’t let foreign countries get away with violating international laws, but we can violate them because we have a good reason to. Obama’s executive orders are a gross violation of government, but the fact that he issued fewer than Reagan and either of the Bushes isn’t mentioned. You know…illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than many Fortune 500 corporations do.

Finally…last thing…and maybe, actually, the thing I most want to know…

How the hell is Left destroying Western Civilization? What does that mean?