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    Originally posted by Jack in a different thread, moved here

    “Hate Groups March in Portland, Oregon and Police Attack Counter-Protesters”

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    Portland police stand by as Proud Boys and far-right militias flash guns and brawl with antifa counterprotesters

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/22/portland-police-far-right-protest/

    PORTLAND, Ore. — On Saturday afternoon, a large crowd of more than 100 far-right activists, including Proud Boys and armed militia members, descended on Portland, Ore., staging a “Back the Blue” rally in front of the Justice Center that houses the downtown police precinct. Hundreds of antifa and Black Lives Matter protesters gathered to oppose the far-right crowd.

    People in the far-right crowd came armed with paintball guns, metal rods, aluminum bats, fireworks, pepper spray, rifles and handguns. Some people in the opposing left-leaning crowd brought rocks, fireworks and bottles filled with chemical solutions. Both crowds sported shields and helmets.

    The two groups sparred for more than two hours, as people exchanged blows, fired paintballs at each other and blasted chemicals indiscriminately into the crowd. People lobbed fireworks back and forth. At least one person was hit in the abdomen with a device that flashed and exploded, causing bleeding.

    The rally followed a much smaller right-wing event last week that ended with gunfire. On Wednesday, Portland police arrested and seized a gun from 27-year-old Skylor Noel Jernigan, a far-right activist who has frequently rallied against antifascists in the city in recent years. Many of the same people came out again Saturday, including Alan Swinney, who brandished a gun and pointed it at the opposing crowd.

    Violent clashes erupt between far-right groups and racial justice protesters in Portland and other cities

    As the brawls unfolded, Portland police officers remained at a distance. They made several announcements over loudspeakers, encouraging the crowds to “self-monitor for criminal activity,” even as people beat others with sticks, and at least two right-wing activists brandished handguns.

    “Each skirmish appeared to involve willing participants and the events were not enduring in time, so officers were not deployed to intervene,” the Portland Police Bureau said in a statement.

    Police said they did not stop the violence, although the event met the criteria to be declared a riot, because too few officers were available to respond and they deemed it too dangerous to intervene. Officers were tired from responding to a much smaller and less volatile protest that was declared a riot the night before, the bureau said in a statement, and incident commanders also had concerns that officers would be targeted by the crowd.

    “PPB members have been the focus of over 80 days of violent actions directed at the police, which is a major consideration for determining if police resources are necessary to interject between two groups with individuals who appear to be willingly engaging in physical confrontations for short durations,” the bureau said in a statement. “While the activity in the group met the definition of a riot, PPB did not declare one because there were not adequate police resources available to address such a declaration.”

    The Portland Police Bureau has struggled to quell confrontations between far-right groups and antifascists in the city since at least 2017, when a string of violent riots broke out over the summer and fall.

    Violent protest clashes turned Portland into a ‘right-wing boogeyman.’ Here’s how it happened.

    The decision not to intervene was a striking contrast to police tactics at several left-leaning Black Lives Matter protests in recent weeks. Officers have consistently declared unlawful assemblies and riots at nighttime protests that have devolved into property damage and projectiles thrown at police. Although those events have involved significant property damage at times, they have not involved firearms or rampant brawling among demonstrators.

    Several people were injured in the chaos at the warring protests. Dakota Means, 25, was hit in the eye with a paintball fired by a man in the far-right crowd wearing a tactical vest with a “Texas” patch across his chest.

    “I counted six shots — three of them whizzed past me, two of them landed in front of me, but the last one hit me right in the corner my eye, right where the bridge of my nose is,” Means said. “I stumbled back and dropped to my knees and passed out for about a minute, and then when I woke up, there was medics all around me trying to figure out what was happening.”

    Means, who described himself as mixed race and a Marine Corps veteran, said he was at the rally to support Black Lives Matter and to oppose a right-wing crowd that was threatening to shoot civilians.

    “They’re not welcome in the city,” he said. “I’m gonna make sure they’re ran out.”

    The right-wing crowd chanted “USA! USA!” and expletive-filled chants against antifa. The opposing leftists responded with shouts of: “Go home, Nazis.”

    After more than two hours of violent clashes, the far-right crowd retreated to their cars. Antifa demonstrators followed them as they moved through downtown to a parking garage a few blocks away. The two groups lobbed rocks at each other and exchanged more pepper spray.

    Amid the right-wing crowd was a widely known Proud Boy, Tusitala “Tiny” Toese, who has frequently brawled in Portland since early 2017.

    Last year, he pleaded guilty in a 2018 assault in exchange for a two-year probation that requires him to stay away from protests until his probationary period ends in 2021. Even before he showed up at Saturday’s rally, there was an active warrant for Toese’s arrest for violating other terms of his probation.

    As the far-right crowd left downtown Portland, Toese walked past several Portland police officers who did not attempt to apprehend him.

    After the far-right groups had cleared out of downtown, members of the left-leaning crowd reconvened in Terry Schrunk Plaza, which is federal property. Federal police declared the gathering an unlawful assembly and drove the protesters out of the plaza, though the crowd had become largely peaceful as the afternoon waned.

    Experts say this backsliding is predictable — in the face of what feels like chronic risk, we are less motivated to take specific action against the threat.

    Biden offers sharp attack on Trump as a dark force and promises to be ‘an ally of the light’ as president
    His acceptance speech caps a week of unity among sometimes fractious Democrats

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    Jason Cole@JasonCole62
    “If you want a vision of your life under a Biden presidency, imagine the smoldering ruins of Minneapolis, the violent anarchy of Portland and the bloodstained sidewalks of Chicago,” Trump said.

    You mean, the stuff happening in the current presidency.

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    https://www.postaltimes.com/postalnews/postal-workers-union-says-up-to-80000-letters-were-held-back-monday-in-southern-maine/

    Postal workers’ union says up to 80,000 letters were held back Monday in southern Maine
    August 11, 2020

    Customers across southern Maine will be waiting on as many as 80,000 pieces of mail that will arrive late because of new U.S. Postal Service policies, the president of a local postal workers’ union said.

    Rather than wait an extra 10 minutes for the mail to be ready, the trucks left the postal service’s Southern Maine Processing and Distribution Center in Scarborough exactly on time Monday morning, leaving behind roughly 80,400 letters that will be delivered late as a result, said Scott Adams, general president of the American Postal Workers Union Local 458. He estimated the processing center sorts approximately one million pieces of mail on a typical Sunday night.

    Adams sent the Portland Press Herald information Monday morning outlining the amount of delayed mail broken down by destination. He said all the letters left behind had been sorted the previous night and just needed to be loaded onto mail carriers’ trucks for delivery.

    A postal service spokesman said Monday evening that the union’s 80,000 figure was overblown. He also said the delayed letters were distributed later in the day and were not held until Tuesday.

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    Liz Cheney@Liz_Cheney
    Kamala Harris is a radical liberal who would raise taxes, take away guns & health insurance, and explode the size and power of the federal gov’t. She wants to recreate America in the image of what’s happening on the streets of Portland & Seattle. We won’t give her the chance.

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    This is just my own cranky POV. I just don’t do it. It’s like arguing about religion. People don’t listen and don’t want to listen. There’s no point. And tbh I won’t listen when a rightie wants to fill my ears. Fortunately, I have just enough of an “alternative lifestyle” vibe about me that that rarely happens. People see me and if they are righties, they just don’t raise political topics. I know all my neighbors are Trumpies but we all get along cause we discuss gardening and dogs.

    Lately I do have a thing with a couple of people in the extended family where if you are not an angry street fighting “anarchist” (not a philosophical anarchist, a full-blown throw rocks at the police like in Portland type) you are a sell-out. I don’t want to hear that either.

    Fortunately, most of the people I talk to at work or in the family are anywhere from liberal dems to no-party progressives.

    I have just enough in common with liberal dems to hold my tongue and just affirm the shared ground.

    I can’t preach, I don;t like to debate live with people if it can be awkward, and I don’t want to be converted. Online is different because you can walk away and not respond for hours, and you don’t have to let it be emotional in the moment. I am in a debate elsewhere with right-wing covid deniers. Mostly what I do there is back up, support, and assist the avid “on the side of reason” debaters. It’s just different than in person. If someone I knew for example wanted to deny to my face that racism is real, I would just feel this combination of sad and frustrated.

    So no I would never date a republican.

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    In Portland, some Black activists frustrated with white protesters

    ….an internal Department of Homeland Security memo indicated the federal agents didn’t understand the nature of the protests, particularly those attacking the courthouse.
    “We lack insight into the motives for the most recent attacks,” the memo said.
    “There are two different protests. This is beautiful,” said Ngee Gow, 22,…

    ….“It’s about Black lives. Period,” Gow said. “If you really want to respect Black lives, and if you really want to respect Breonna Taylor and George Floyd, then you’d be listening to the movement instead of antagonizing police.”

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    So many cross-currents and layers.

    America’s Political-IQ is so damn low. Not an accident.

    For BIG change to happen,
    first there would have to actually BE a left in America.
    That would take Magic.
    And second the Magical-Left would have to actually VOTE.

    Until then we will see ‘uprisings’ like BLM and Occupy,
    and the system will wait them out, watch them dissipate, and eat themselves,
    as it rolls along toward biosphere-doom.

    Ok, have a nice day.

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    Taibbi and Weinstein Do Not Understand the George Floyd Uprising

    https://medium.com/@noahmickens/taibbi-and-weinstein-do-not-understand-the-george-floyd-uprising-2b5b34f9198f

    I’ve been watching all these “Intellectual Dark Web” types struggling to comprehend the George Floyd Uprising and the Movement for Black Lives, and the first thing I noticed was that they have NOBODY on their shows with any connection at all to the demonstrations. Here in Portland, home of the longest-running and most intense George Floyd protests that are the subject of these recent shows, there are visible and vociferous leaders of this protest movement who could be interviewed (such as Teressa Raiford of Don’t Shoot Portland and Devin Boss of Rose City Justice). There are ground-level demonstrators, journalists who have been covering the protests, and local politicians (such as City Counsilor JoAnn Hardesty and County Commissioner Loretta Smith) allied with the movement. I’m sure this is also the case in Minneapolis, and everywhere else these George Floyd protests are happening. For that matter, there are established national Black Lives Matter leaders (such as Patrisse Cullors and Alicia Garza) who have little connection to the street movement but could answer questions about the origins and beliefs of the movement as a whole. I would even suggest that police officers should be interviewed to get their side of the story. If I were putting together a panel to put on my big famous podcast in order to help people understand the demonstrations in Portland, I would talk to those people.
    Who do we get instead? A bunch of university professors and media pundits. Look at this “Black Intellectual Roundtable” that Bret Weinstein put together. All professors and journalists, and not a single one of them sympathetic to the Movement for Black Lives. Who gets the spotlight on Taibbi’s podcast with Katie Halper? Omar Wasow, Adolph Reed, Dr. Gerald Thorne, and so on — a more varied bunch, but equally disconnected from this movement. Over on Joe Rogan, the 900-pound gorilla of the I.D.W., Joe’s interviewing… BRET WEINSTEIN???!!!?! Isn’t he a biology professor from Washington? Why is nobody interviewing people who are actually involved in this movement?
    Then I get to thinking: Why is it that, when people like this do a podcast on the Drug War or the Opiate Epidemic, there are no drug addicts, drug counselors, or drug dealers included? Why are there no homeless people or shelter personnel included in panels about homelessness, and no prisoners or prison guards in panels about prison? Wouldn’t a journalist doing a segment about the Healthcare Crisis in the United States be wise to include a chronically ill person who can’t afford healthcare? Why does this happen so rarely?
    It’s these University People. I’m talking about people whose whole lives went like this: They were born, they grew up in prosperous homes, they went to school, they went to university, they got some job based on their degree, marriage and kids maybe, and that’s what they’ve been doing ever since. Some of you read that previous sentence and thought, “Isn’t that everybody?” Well, it’s not everybody, but it’s a lot of people. It’s the Square Culture — a way of living that’s derided by those who aren’t a part of it, and unrecognized by those who are. Squares don’t know they’re Squares. Universities are the Churches of Square Culture, and the University People believe that their Square way of life is the Normal default way of life that all decent people aspire to. It goes without saying, in the Square Culture, that going to University is the one true path to improve oneself and set one’s life on the proper track. It doesn’t even matter what you study, so long as you go to college and study something or other until they give you a piece of paper with your new title on it (Master of Arts!)
    Meanwhile, there are many of us who do not live that way — criminals, artists, queers, addicts, political radicals, and the poor. If you live in the Square World, you cannot imagine what it looks like from outside.
    What are the political and social issues of primary debate among the Square University Class? Homelessness, socialized healthcare, affordable housing, evictions, unemployment, crime, police violence — issues that exist almost exclusively in the lives of poor people. They study us. They debate, among themselves, what is best for us. Yet they see us as unqualified to discuss, or even understand, our own circumstances. Our lack of a Square pedigree means that we can’t grasp what our own lives are all about — what we need, what we want, why we do the things we do. To a University Person, it would be absurd to invite demonstrators to a panel on the George Floyd Uprising. Instead, they invite “experts” who have never been anywhere near those protests.
    To the University People, including a homeless person on a panel about homelessness would be like including a chimpanzee on a panel about primatology. To interview a drug addict about drug addiction would be like interviewing a child about pediatric medicine. We are, in this way, diminished. Our lives are not our own to explain.
    I’ve been out at these George Floyd protests from May 29th to just a couple days ago, and in previous waves of Black Lives Matter and related movements for years before that. It’s not always easy to tell a person’s class background, but from what I know this is chiefly a movement among poor and working class people. The martyrs whose names animate the movement — George Floyd, Breona Taylor, Eric Garner — were poor people whose poverty was just as much a contributor to their deaths as race. Garner was selling loose cigarettes. Floyd might have been passing a counterfeit twenty. Taylor’s boyfriend’s house was mistakenly raided by cops. This is a poor people’s movement, as was King’s movement in its later days. It’s poor people, standing up for other poor people, via a populist strategy of direct street confrontation and a non-hierarchical decentralized model of leadership. Is it any wonder the University People don’t get it?

    The George Floyd Uprising is a movement for radical police reform. This is broadly thought of in terms of Defunding, Disbanding, Dismantling, and Abolishing the Police; and it’s complicated. There is much literature available on the subject, which Bret Weinstein and his Black Intellectuals seem to have ignored or disregarded. They say that Police Abolition would be dangerous, because it would leave us with nobody to stop crimes and protect the citizenry. Every working plan for Abolition or Defunding includes the creation of alternative forms of law enforcement and mutual aid meant to replace the Police, who are an under-trained and over-armed military organization that spends the day writing traffic tickets and the night responding to noise complaints and mental health emergencies. Weinstein and Co. insist that the Uprising is not truly about reforming the police, but rather about advancing a Far Left movement of Political Correctness the likes of which they’ve seen on university campuses. They talk about Struggle Sessions and Cultural Marxism, and before you know it they’re all arguing about Reparations. To the extent that they address the matter of police reform at all, it is to bat around a few old chestnuts about whether or not Black people are actually mistreated by police in the first place (they are). Weinstein says on Rogan’s show that he knows what Black Lives Matter is really all about, because he’s “talked to these people,” but the people he’s talking about are a bunch of rich kids who got him kicked out of Evergreen University for being against some planned Day of Whatever when like the Black teachers were going to do some thing and all the other teachers had to go to some other place or… I don’t know, some university shit. Those college kids who yelled at Bret Weinstein are not behind the George Floyd Uprising.

    Taibbi falls into a similar trap. Like Weinstein, he doesn’t understand the protests, and so he assigns to them the identity of his existing foils du jour— Cancel Culture and the “antiracist” training movement exemplified by the bestsellling book White Fragility. He believes that the George Floyd Uprising is a fight for those values — the bourgeois values of University People and a rich White lady who holds trainings at Intel. Contrary to all the readily-available evidence that BLM and the GFU are grassroots movements to radically reform the Police, Taibbi has determined that we’re out there in the streets getting shot at and tear gassed every night because we want to force these University-spawned concepts on society at large.
    The George Floyd Uprising has nothing to do with any of that. Again, I’ve been at a ton of these demonstrations. There are no struggle sessions. Nobody is talking about Robin DiAngelo — indeed, some movement leaders have expressed a sense of frustration about how corporate “antiracism” is distracting from their true goals. Nobody at the demos is arguing about semantics or “tone policing” or demanding “safe spaces.” The charge of Marxism is challenging to address; since the ideas expressed by Karl Marx in his seminal work Capital are fundamental to the studies of Political Science, Economics, and Sociology as well as the practices of revolution and civil disobedience. If what we’re talking about is Marxism-Leninism, the state philosophy of the Soviet Union, that’s not what this movement is about at all. There are Communists in the movement, to be sure, but it is not a Communist movement — it’s a movement to reform the Police. I personally know Republicans and Democrats, Patriots and Anarchists, Socialists and Capitalists, who are out there demonstrating in the street on a regular basis because they believe that the Police are a violent and racist organization that must be defunded or abolished. That’s what the movement claims to be, and that’s what the movement is.
    You know where these sorts of issues — such as arguing over “Black” vs “African American” or accusing people of being insufficiently “Woke” or demanding that demonstrators observe some made-up code of conduct — get a lot of play? In the hundreds of Facebook groups and Twitter feeds that have sprung up since the Uprising began, where people with no connection at all to the demonstrations spend hours typing at one another while sitting safely in their homes. None of this is happening at the demonstrations themselves, and I think that’s part of the reason we’re making so much progress and having such positive experiences out there. Setting aside our minor disagreements in pursuit of a common goal (such as halting the trend of police murdering hundreds of people every year and getting away with it)— this is a habit we should all be getting into, if we hope to achieve anything. In the George Floyd Uprising, we are doing exactly that. Online and in the Universities, the opposite is happening — instead of getting together, people are Balkanizing themselves into a multitude of warring factions over who gets cast in superhero movies and how we should spell or capitalize words relating to race. Weinstein and Taibbi can’t see the difference, ensconced as they are in the Square Univerity Culture.
    Why do these University People insist on believing this movement is a part of the petty struggles that they know from their own privileged lives? For one thing, it’s because they have experienced so little adversity, so few profound catastophes that must be dealt with in order to survive. Their sense of scale is shot. For another, it’s because University People think of themselves as the smartest people around, and are therefore skeptical of anything that they don’t already know about. They see a video online of somebody setting a fire in a dumpster in front of a police station, and it confuses them — why on Earth would anybody ever do such a thing? Rather than accept that this is something unfamiliar and work to understand it better, they assign it to an existing category that’s within their zone of comfort. Oh, it’s just those Grievance Studies kids again, trying to make me conform to their P.C. ideas!
    This is why the Republicans have made so much hay out of resentment toward “coast elite” and “ivy league intellectuals” in the flyover states. These folks are like, “The factory shut down, then the government stole my land, and now the water coming out of my sink catches fire!” University People want to talk to them about how the new International trade deal is going to lift millions out of poverty in China and Bangladesh. They show up in expensive suits to pantomime handing out relief supplies for a photo opp, then fly back to their big expensive houses while poor people get crammed into FEMA trailers and mass shelters. I feel more of a connection to a poor person in Mississippi who voted for Trump than to a rich person in the Silicon Valley who voted for Clinton. Real life is that connection. We’re poor folks trying to survive in a world run by the rich, and the rich congregate in universities to plan the next steps in our exploitation.
    It strikes me that few students see their education as a primary focus in life. Homework, exams, and study are what they try to get done as quickly and with as little effort as possible; so they can focus on things like playing in a band, writing, getting laid, political activism, or just going to parties. This is not a problem — one can excel in most universities with little effort. Not so much if you’re studying something like Engineering or Chemistry or Medicine — these are complex disciplines, requiring much study and expertise to perform. With anything in the Humanities, be it History or Gender Studies or Philosophy, you’re pretty much in the world’s most expensive book club. You read the book, you write a little book report, you talk about it in class a little, maybe there’s a quiz, then it’s on to the next subject. As many have pointed out, Universities don’t reward the smartest students, but the ones who are best-behaved and least inclined to challenge the status quo. As for professors, they’re often students who never left college, whose careerism and ability to work the system have freed them from any need (or ability) to go forth into the world and make their mark. And these are our experts! We look not to people who have lived experience with the issues at hand, but to people who have studied them from a distance in controlled enclaves of Square thought.
    Detractors like to bring up George Floyd’s colorful background — he’s a former rapper who performed as Big Floyd with the legendary DJ Screw, he has a history of smoking crack, and he was in prison for armed robbery from 2009–2013. None of that bothers me. I honestly think it speaks well of him. Hip Hop is the most vital and important music of our time, and myself and most of my favorite people have smoked plenty of crack. Armed robbery isn’t something to be proud of, necessarily, but poor people like us will tend to get wrapped up in crime when we’re young. Sometimes it’s that or the street. I used to dream of striking it rich through crime and buying a house for my Mom. I believe that George Floyd could shed more light on these demonstrations than Weinstein’s entire Black Intellectuals Roundtable put together, but nobody like him is on that panel. I guess people like George Floyd aren’t Intellectuals, or at any rate they don’t have degrees. He went to Texas A&M on a football scholarship, but he dropped out. That happens with us poor people a lot, too, dropping out of college when life gets crazy. Then before you know it, we’re face down on the pavement.
    I dropped out of community college in Los Angeles after getting good grades there for two years. Before that, I dropped out of high school the very day I could legally do so. Because of the chaotic nature of my childhood, I didn’t graduate middle school (my family was homeless at the time that would have naturally happened) or elementary school (I was skipped out of the middle of 6th grade and into the middle of 7th grade after a log period of truancy). I like to say the only thing I ever graduated from was Bartending School. Mine has been, for the most part, a self-education. Thank goodness for libraries.
    I know all about the Police. The Police kick down your door and evict you from your apartment. The Police arrest your Dad or your Mom or your Brother and take them away to prison for years, maybe forever. The Police pull you over and rough you up for fun, laughing and joking while they smash your face into the hood of the car and kick your legs out from under you. The Police put up tape around the neighborhood when they kill one of your neighbors, and they fly overhead with their helicopters all night, shining spotlights through your window to remind you they’re always watching. I know about the Police. George Floyd knew about the Police. The George Floyd Uprising is made up of people who know too. If the Squares want to know what’s going on, they should interview those people instead of interviewing each other.

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    In Portland, some Black activists frustrated with white protesters

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-protests-portland-activis/in-portland-some-black-activists-frustrated-with-white-protesters-idUSKCN24W2QD

    PORTLAND (Reuters) – A small group of Black teenage girls carrying megaphones stood in front of the federal courthouse in downtown Portland near midnight on Thursday facing a largely white band of protesters.

    “I’m done with y’all focusing on all these white folk,” said 17-year-old Erandi, who asked to be identified only by her first name. “This is a Black Lives Matter movement.”

    And as it happened, Portland had its first night in weeks without tear gas here after state police took over from federal agents guarding a courthouse that has been the focal point of violence between protesters and those agents.[nL2N2F20XI]

    For over two months, the nightly Black Lives Matter protests have followed a familiar pattern.

    A peaceful demonstration against racial injustice and police brutality begins at nightfall at the central police precinct.

    They are more organic than organized. Protesters chant: “George Floyd. Breonna Taylor. Black Lives Matter.” A microphone is passed around to whoever wants to speak. The scenes feel festive at times, with drumbeats and tambourines, and a grill that serves food at all hours. On one night, a man holding a microphone raps to the crowd: “On the Portland streets/We’re taking it back/Wearing a mask ‘cuz they shoot me with gas.”

    President Donald Trump at a White House news conference on Thursday called the protesters “professional agitators, professional anarchists” and said the federal agents deployed there would “clean out this beehive of terrorists.” Portland has become a prime target of Trump’s “law and order” re-election campaign.

    But the reality on the ground is as murky as the nightly clouds of tear gas had been. There are no clear leaders or structure to these demonstrations, and as midnight looms the focus moves to a small band of mainly white people trying to attack the courthouse throwing fireworks and objects at police and agents over a fence guarding the building.

    The New York Times this week said an internal Department of Homeland Security memo indicated the federal agents didn’t understand the nature of the protests, particularly those attacking the courthouse.

    “We lack insight into the motives for the most recent attacks,” the memo said.

    “There are two different protests. This is beautiful,” said Ngee Gow, 22, pointing to the main body of demonstrators at the central police precinct. “This is destruction,” he said, nodding to those waiting to confront federal agents outside the courthouse.

    Suburban mothers, veterans and healthcare workers joined anti-racism demonstrations in early July to oppose the federal intervention and to try to tone down the violence. The Black demonstrators initially welcomed the moms – and dads who came with leaf blowers to disperse the tear gas – but are now frustrated with the band of midnight provocateurs at the courthouse.

    Portland is one of the whitest cities in the United States, with only three percent of residents identifying as African-American. Though residents there are overwhelmingly progressive, the city itself is still very segregated, a legacy of Oregon’s racist past as the only state to ban Black people when it was founded.

    “We’re fighting with our hearts here,” Erandi, the Black teenager told Reuters. “We need these white people to acknowledge that this isn’t a bonfire. This isn’t just a party.”

    Huddled with Erandi and a few other Black demonstrators, Gow looked on disappointedly at the boisterous crowd in front of the courthouse, chanting “Feds go home.”

    “It’s about Black lives. Period,” Gow said. “If you really want to respect Black lives, and if you really want to respect Breonna Taylor and George Floyd, then you’d be listening to the movement instead of antagonizing police.”

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    Ted Cruz’s Hearing on Anarchist Protest Violence Was a Total Farce
    Cruz kept mentioning Democrats’ failure to condemn a murder that was actually carried out by the far right — and refused to be corrected.

    https://theintercept.com/2020/08/05/ted-cruz-hearing-antifa/?utm_campaign=theintercept&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR1eXNXPv-qv6a2zF40a3WgyeTSWsBnBeCP7T_ouIhExHZe_gw00H2udffU

    ON TUESDAY AFTERNOON, with Congress still failing to agree on an urgent pandemic relief package, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, brought together a Senate Judiciary Subcommittee to propagandize. Instead of helping the pandemic-stricken, Cruz chaired an hourslong spectacle of a hearing designed to peddle misleading narratives about anarchists and anti-fascists.

    If the propagandistic title of the hearing — “The Right of the People Peaceably to Assemble: Protecting Speech by Stopping Anarchist Violence” — wasn’t enough to show his aims, Cruz’s own comments made clear the proceedings’ purpose as political theater. In a telling moment, Cruz twice chastised his Democratic colleagues for praising peaceful Black Lives Matter protesters while failing to condemn “antifa” and the “terrorists” who killed a federal security officer, Dave Patrick Underwood, during a May protest in Oakland. Cruz’s implication was clear: The left killed Underwood.

    Yet Underwood was killed by a member of the far right — one of 329 murders carried out by right-wing extremists since 1994.

    In the same period, a grand total of zero murders have been attributed to antifa participants.

    The political affiliations of the man charged in Underwood’s murder have been public knowledge for nearly two months. The alleged killer, Air Force Sgt. Steve Carillo, who also killed another federal officer during the premeditated ambush, is an open adherent of the boogaloo movement, which is aimed at hastening a second civil war.

    Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., pointed out Cruz’s error after the Texas Republican’s first mention of Underwood, noting that the killer was on the far right. This did not stop Cruz raising the killing again later in the hearing, once again within the context of a blustering speech about antifa.

    The hearing was just the latest stage for baseless overtures on the threat of the far left. Sen. Mazie Hirono, D-Hawaii, made numerous attempts to change the afternoon’s focus onto a more worthy target — deadly white supremacist violence — to little avail.

    FOR THE GOVERNMENT to ignore white supremacist violence and focus instead on the far left is nothing new. The Intercept reported last month, based on leaked law enforcement documents, that while the Trump administration has sought to demonize and target antifa, reports amassed of deadly white supremacist violence and substantive threats — including to the police themselves.

    Not that the police should be let off the hook for the right’s pernicious priorities. U.S. law enforcement has an unbroken history of deprioritizing, if not outright aiding, white supremacist movements. During Tuesday’s unnecessary hearing, U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Texas Erin Nealy Cox said that she was overseeing a task force to investigate current anti-government threats, which was not focused on white supremacists.

    One of the few voices of reason throughout the afternoon, Michael German, a former FBI agent specializing in domestic terrorism who is now a fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice, noted the “sensationalized” focus on the far left has “distracted from focus on the deadly threats” posed by the far right. “As a matter of policy, far-right violence is deprioritized,” German said.

    In line with German’s criticism, the hearing proceeded with paranoiac speeches about the tactics of anti-racist, anti-fascist protesters. Acting Deputy Secretary of of Homeland Security Ken Cuccinelli discussed protesters using laser pointers and small projectiles, like frozen water bottles, against brutal federal agents in Portland, Oregon. He spoke as if he was describing weapons of mass destruction when he said that demonstrators were taking up “the oldest weapon in history” — rocks.

    Meanwhile, as German previously told The Intercept, on the far right “you have these heavily armed groups right there, who have a much more direct and lengthy history of violence than anything antifa or anarchist-involved does.”

    The only member of the media called to testify was right-wing provocateur Andy Ngo. Ngo spoke of the long history of antifa organizing in Portland, but unsurprisingly omitted the most obvious reason for it: In recent years, Portland has become an epicenter of far-right violence, to which anti-fascist action is a rightful response.

    Kyle Shideler of the Center for Security Policy also testified as an alleged expert on the nature of antifa as an organization of international terrorism, drawing comparisons to Al Qaeda. As Hirono pointed out at the hearing, the Center for Security Policy is designated by the Southern Policy Law Center as an anti-Muslim hate group. Only one witness identified as an anti-fascist and a participant in the ongoing anti-racist protests for Black lives, Nkenge Harmon Johnson of the Portland Urban League; she was asked no questions by the committee after her brief statement in support of the movement. Cruz, meanwhile, gave Shideler extra speaking time to defend his hate group against criticism.

    Cruz closed the proceedings with a frenzied tirade about the dangers of Black Lives Matter — purported criticisms that bear no repeating. Suffice it to say that Cruz, a racist police apologist, is no fan of Black liberation icons like Angela Davis and Assata Shakur.

    #118829

    In reply to: Riots helping Trump

    waterfield
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    In Today’s N.Y.Times there is an article about the black police captain in Portland who says the violence is not helping the BLM movement and that it’s so ironic that the protesters are mostly all white compared to the number of black policemen they are protesting against,

    link https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/opinion/portland-protests-police-chief.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    #118822

    In reply to: Riots helping Trump

    waterfield
    Participant

    No violence or destruction since the Feds left Portland.

    And…I think this entire argument is going to be eclipsed by what happens next anyway.

    Between now and November, each week is going to be an Eternity. And the next thing to come – that is going to wipe out concerns about Portland – is evictions. Business failures. Covid outbreaks in the schools that think science doesn’t matter.

    The next 6 months will be worse, and will dwarf what’s happened so far.

    I hope your right. And you may well be. I see the main focus by the Trump campaign is now turning to somehow doing what’s necessary to reduce the number of voters especially minority voters. I don’t look forward to any of this.

    #118805
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    from https://www.opb.org/news/article/police-violence-portland-protest-federal-officers/

    Only after that last tactic gathered national headlines would the country take notice and ask: Was Portland really a “city under siege,” as acting Department of Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf described it? Protesters and journalists who regularly showed up at the nightly demonstrations agreed a siege was happening — but over 14 days, federal law enforcement increasingly became the occupying force.

    Here is how we got here:

    June 5
    As in cities across the county, Portlanders turned out to protest racism and violence in the criminal justice system after police killed George Floyd in Minneapolis. After a week of widespread use of tear gas and impact munitions to disperse mostly nonviolent protesters, a federal judge issued a temporary restraining order against the Portland Police Bureau, limiting their use of tear gas to instances “in which the lives or safety of the public or the police are at risk.”

    In his order, U.S. District Judge Marco Hernandez said that, given the evidence, there was a “strong likelihood” the bureau had violated protesters’ Fourth Amendment rights, which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures and covers excessive use of force.

    June 26
    The city and protesters agreed to expand the restraining order beyond tear gas, to include crowd control devices like pepper spray and rubber bullets. Portland police still continued to use tear gas and impact munitions, but the bar to justify their use was significantly higher. State lawmakers in the Oregon Legislature also passed a law requiring police to first warn protesters before using tear gas. Under the new law, officers must determine that a “riot” is occurring. Oregon law defines a riot as just five people acting in a violent manner.

    That same day, Trump signed an executive order to protect statues and monuments across the country and to combat what he described as “criminal violence” arising from protests against police violence and systemic racism.

    The order came as statues of Confederate generals and other slave-owning historic figures were either removed or pulled down by protesters, including one of George Washington in Northeast Portland on the eve of the Juneteenth holiday and another of Thomas Jefferson days before that. In response, the Department of Homeland Security sent officers to Portland, Seattle, Gettysburg National Park in Pennsylvania and Washington, D.C. A U.S. Customs and Border Protection memo dated July 1 noted that the executive order created a DHS task force to “surge” federal law enforcement resources to protect against potential civil unrest. (The Nation first reported on the documents.)

    July 1
    Federal officers started playing a more obvious and active role during nightly protests in Portland, pulling protesters’ attention away from the Multnomah County Justice Center and refocusing it across the street on the Mark O. Hatfield Federal Courthouse. That night, federal officers emerged from the boarded-up courthouse to fire pepper balls at demonstrators who came too close to the building. Their appearance changed the protests.

    “People felt like they knew what they were getting into with Portland police,” said Portland-based independent journalist Tuck Woodstock, who has been covering the protests since late May. The protesters had specific demands for Portland police — they wanted officers held accountable for specific acts of violence and the bureau defunded.

    Woodstock said that in the wake of the temporary restraining order, demonstrators felt like some accountability for the Portland Police Bureau was possible. Weeks before, protesters had successfully pressured city government to disband the bureau’s controversial Gun Violence Reduction Team, end the school resource officer program and reallocate nearly $16 million from the police budget into community programs.

    “With the federal officers, it feels like everyone in the city of Portland is almost powerless to hold them to any kind of account,” Woodstock said.

    July 4
    Hundreds of protesters gathered around the Multnomah County Justice Center and Mark O. Hatfield Federal Courthouse. Fireworks shows across the country, including Portland, had been canceled because of the pandemic, but protesters filled the gap.

    After more than a month of police using tear gas, impact munitions and flash bang devices to disperse enormous crowds and largely nonviolent demonstrations, the protesters on Independence Day had a fireworks display of their own. They aimed at times at the two government buildings — and the government officers — who had come to represent everything the demonstrators were protesting: racism, police brutality and an unjust criminal justice system.

    Just before 11 p.m, protesters fired a variety of fireworks, including some commercial-grade fireworks, at the federal courthouse. Some also aimed green laser pointers at the exterior. Demonstrators yelled at the officers hiding behind small hatches cut in the plywood facade of the boarded-up building; the holes were used as blinds to fire pepperball munitions on the crowd.

    After about 15 minutes, federal officers grew impatient. Officers from the U.S. Marshals Special Operations Group, Customs and Border Protection’s Border Patrol Tactical Unit or BORTAC, and the Federal Protective Service quickly filled the courthouse’s covered entryway with tear gas. Flash bangs detonated as protesters scattered, and officers poured out of the boarded-up front entrance.

    From there, officers continued across the street into Lownsdale Square, a city park. They continued marching west, joined by the Portland Police Bureau, pushing the crowd farther and farther along city streets. By the time federal officers stopped marching, the line of law enforcement officers was blocks away from federal property at the courthouse.

    July 8
    After multiple failed strategies in response to the protests and a continued inability to end the nightly demonstrations, Portland Deputy Chief Chris Davis met with the media. He characterized the protesters as criminals who had co-opted a peaceful movement, a tried and true tactic used by government officials over the decades to delegitimize social movements. Protesters of nearly every stripe rejected the characterization.

    In response to the July 4 events, Davis said Portland’s police had no control over federal officers and that their presence made local officers’ jobs more difficult.

    “I don’t have authority over federal officers,” Davis said. “They’re governed by their own policies and procedures. They’re acting under federal law, federal authority. … It does complicate things for us.”

    Still, Davis said, an officer from the federal agencies was stationed in the Portland Police Bureau’s nightly command post to coordinate as needed.

    July 10
    During a military briefing in Doral, Florida, Trump brought up the federal presence in the city of Portland unprompted. He said he had sent the officers to Oregon because “the locals couldn’t handle it.”

    “It was out of control,” the president said.

    July 11
    Protesters once again gathered at night in the city park across the street from the federal courthouse. They taunted federal officers, telling them to get out of Portland.

    One demonstrator, 26-year-old Donavan La Bella, stood at the edge of the park closest to the courthouse. He held a boombox over his head with both hands. When a tear gas canister landed at his feet, he bent over and pushed it a few feet away. He stood back up and lifted the boombox again, and a U.S. marshal shot him in the head with an impact round, fracturing his skull and leaving him in critical condition.

    The shooting prompted outcry from Oregon elected officials. Gov. Brown said it was the result of Trump continuing to push for force and violence in response to protests.

    Unlike several of his fellow city commissioners, the governor and Oregon’s two U.S. senators, Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler took almost 18 hours to respond. His written statement bemoaned the violence, but didn’t go as far as other elected officials in condemning federal behavior.

    “I’m concerned that the actions of federal officers last night escalated, rather than de-escalated, already heightened tensions in our city,” said Wheeler, who is also Portland’s police commissioner.

    July 13
    U.S. Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, said Trump had a dangerous fixation with strong-arming peaceful protesters.

    “What America does not need is Donald Trump parachuting federal law enforcement into U.S. cities as if they’re enemy strongholds requiring an occupying army to suppress,” Wyden said.

    The next day, Sens. Wyden and Jeff Merkley, and U.S. Reps. Earl Blumenauer and Suzanne Bonamici — all Democrats — sent a letter to the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Justice seeking answers about the federal officers’ deployment in Portland.

    At the White House, Trump said nothing of the injuries to protester LaBella, and praised the federal law enforcement’s response.

    “We’ve done a great job in Portland,” Trump said. “Portland was totally out of control. They went in and I guess they have many people right now in jail. We very much quelled it. If it starts again, we’ll quell it again, very easily. It’s not hard to do.”

    July 15
    In the early morning hours of July 15, video surfaced on Twitter showing two officers in camouflage getting out of an unmarked van. They walked toward a person in a black hoodie and a helmet.

    Officers put the person’s hands behind their back and walked them back to an unmarked van before driving away.

    Related: Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets

    In a separate incident, around 2:30 a.m., Mark Pettibone was also grabbed by federal agents in camouflage.

    “A van pulls up right in front of us,” Pettibone later told OPB. “I am basically tossed into the van. I had my beanie pulled over my face so I couldn’t see, and they held my hands over my head.”

    Pettibone said he was taken to the federal courthouse where federal officers searched and photographed him but gave no reason for his arrest.

    “They patted me down, took my picture and rummaged through my belongings,” Pettibone said. “One of them said, ‘This is a whole lot of nothing.’ He seemed disappointed that I didn’t have any weapons or anything on me.”

    Pettibone was placed in a cell by himself and read his Miranda rights, he said. Officers asked if he wanted to waive his rights, he said, but Pettibone declined and asked for a lawyer. He was released about 90 minutes later.

    “It was clear to me that this was just a totally indiscriminate detainment,” Pettibone said.

    Speaking in the Oval Office later that day with Attorney General Bill Barr, Trump again spoke about the protests in Portland and alluded to a larger role federal law enforcement could play in cities across the country, similar to Portland.

    “We’re doing a great job in Portland,” Trump said. “Portland was very rough and they called us in, and we did a good job, to put it mildly. Many people in jail right now. But we have other cities that are out of control. They’re like war zones.”

    July 16
    Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Mark Morgan told Fox News that Trump was planning an announcement about enhanced federal law enforcement actions involving the Department of Justice and Homeland Security “next week.”

    “We’re going to do what needs to be done to protect the men and women of this country,” he said.

    Department of Homeland Security Acting Secretary Chad Wolf also made an unannounced visit to Portland, where he toured graffiti on the federal courthouse and talked to federal officers and Portland Police Association President Daryl Turner.

    Portland’s mayor refused to meet with Wolf, saying he disapproves of the federal presence and that there’s nothing he can do to stop federal action. Oregon’s governor told OPB she spoke with Wolf on the phone earlier in the week.

    “I said, ‘Please take your officers home,’” Brown told OPB’s “Think Out Loud®.” “’They are only escalating things here in the city and you need to go home.'”

    Before leaving, Wolf went live on Sean Hannity’s show on Fox News, where he said the Department of Homeland Security would continue to have a presence in Portland despite opposition from local, state and federal officials from Oregon.

    “We need to make sure that we’re supporting our law enforcement officers here and making sure that they’re continuing to protect the federal courthouse here; that’s what DHS does,” Wolf said. “We’re going to do our job, we’re going to do it professionally.”

    Shortly after Wolf toured the federal courthouse, OPB published Pettibone’s story, confirming federal law enforcement agents have been grabbing protesters off the streets in unmarked vehicles and without giving any explanation to the people being detained.

    The U.S. Marshals Service issued a statement denying their officers participated in Pettibone’s arrest. Homeland Security officials did not respond to written questions about the arrest.

    July 17
    National scrutiny of the Department of Homeland Security increased, with a fresh round of condemnation from Oregon lawmakers, as well as national figures such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Massachusetts, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California.

    U.S. Attorney for the District of Oregon Billy Williams stood on the steps of the federal courthouse in front of a large group of protesters and called for an investigation into the actions of DHS agents in Portland.

    “Based on news accounts circulating that allege federal law enforcement detained two protesters without probable cause, I have requested the Department of Homeland Security Office of the Inspector General to open a separate investigation directed specifically at the actions of DHS personnel,” Williams said in a statement.

    Later in the day, the ACLU of Oregon filed a lawsuit seeking to restrain how federal law enforcement interacts with journalists and legal observers at protests. The Oregon Department of Justice also sued federal agencies, and the Oregon attorney general said state prosecutors may pursue criminal charges against the officer who shot LaBella.

    In a written statement, the Department of Homeland Security confirmed officers from Customs and Border Protection had been arresting protesters in Portland using unmarked vehicles. The agency defended the arrests as lawful and justified.

    “In Portland, they have. I wouldn’t say this is used anywhere else,” Ken Cuccinelli, the acting deputy secretary of Homeland Security, told NPR. “Upon questioning, they determined they were — they did not have the right person — and that person was released.”

    Cuccinelli said he didn’t know if the case he was asked about was Pettibone’s and wouldn’t say how many times similar arrests involving unmarked vans have happened.

    But he said the practice would continue.

    “I fully expect that as long as people continue to be violent and to destroy property that we will attempt to identify those folks,” he said. “We will pick them up in front of the courthouse. If we spot them elsewhere, we will pick them up elsewhere. And if we have a question about somebody’s identity — like the first example I noted to you — after questioning determine it isn’t someone of interest, then they get released. And that’s standard law enforcement procedure, and it’s going to continue as long as the violence continues.”

    July 18
    The backlash against border patrol actions on Portland streets did little to deter federal law enforcement.

    In the early hours of the morning, with no clear provocation, federal officers dressed in camouflage used tear gas, pepper balls and other impact munitions to push hundreds of protesters far from federal property. Portland police officers marched beside them at times. The scenes prompted Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty to demand that Mayor Ted Wheeler turn over day-to-day management of Portland police to her.

    After more than two weeks in Portland, federal officers have come to be seen as a wild card.

    “PPB is usually predictable in their response to something,” said freelance reporter Garrison Davis. “The federal officers are not. It’s harder to get a sense of what their goal is and what they’re going to do. It makes being there safely very difficult.”

    The increasingly aggressive actions by federal officers have also energized the protest movement in Portland, a city known for its cultural defiance to authority. Crowds grew significantly July 17 and 18.

    At one point Friday night, a naked woman sauntered to a police line and pointed her finger at federal officers, who were dressed in camo and carrying less-than-lethal weapons. She dared the officers to shoot, and they obliged — spraying the ground inches from her feet with pepper balls.

    The woman didn’t move.

    #118798
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    “…Further complicating the matter, on Wednesday, Don’t Shoot Portland accused Wall of Moms of “anti-blackness” for “leaving vulnerable Black women downtown after marching, failing to support those on the ground that put trust in them” and not informing Black leadership about officially registering as a nonprofit with the state. They said the organization “was not started for BLM, but to get the feds out of PDX” and that “combined with a lack of care for and disregard of Black women, we were used to further an agenda unrelated to BLM.” As a result, a separate group called Moms United for Black Lives has splintered off from the organization. Family members of Wall of Moms founder Bev Barnum said she would not comment on the allegation….”
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    Yup. Put ten leftists in an organization, and within three weeks you will end up with 11 factions.

    Leftists.

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    ‘It’s About the Core Values of Black Lives Matter.’ Portland Activists Are Trying to Remind People Why They Started Protesting to Begin With

    https://time.com/5872883/portland-activists-black-lives-matter/?fbclid=IwAR3OBB9pi_g7kOj-clll7sLgBOA7YLPdf4z0u9vR2U6PnJEYp1BTFK1KV5k

    Since federal agents entered Portland over the July 4 weekend, national headlines have highlighted how federal officers and Portland police have harmed protesters, medics, legal observers and journalists. The actions have sparked lawsuits and drawn scrutiny from DOH and DOJ internal watchdogs as well as Congress.

    Many protesters say federal officers from the Department of Homeland Security, the Marshals Service and Customs and Border Protection have “added fuel to the fire” of what had been largely peaceful protests. However, federal agencies have maintained that they were needed to protect federal properties and the city from violence despite video evidence showing them acting aggressively at demonstrations.

    But police brutality was a “problem way before the (federal) troops came,” says Demetria Hester, a Black mother and grandmother who has frequently been showing up to protests since May and is an administrator with Moms United for Black Lives. “That’s what we were protesting about in the first place—that the police have a record of killing Black people here and (…) having the OK from everybody to get away with it.” She has no faith in the city and state’s politicians, saying they have “allowed this to go on for so long” despite saying they will help.

    “These politicians, they don’t care that Black Lives Matter,” Hester says. “They care about getting their pockets rich, about getting their photo op, about saying we’re going to help you but (they) never do. They have so much money here that they’re giving to police to be brutal to the Black community.”

    While Portland protesters welcomed news on Wednesday that federal officers would begin phasing out their presence in the city, which are intended to be replaced with Oregon state police, it’s unclear exactly how and when that will happen. Acting DHS secretary Chad Wolf said in a statement that the department would maintain its current presence until it received assurance federal property wouldn’t be attacked. President Donald Trump said Thursday morning in a tweet that federal officers would not leave “until there is safety.” Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler said Thursday that Portland police would be working with other city and county agencies to clear Lownsdale Park “at the request of (Oregon State Police) as part of the plan for federal officers to leave our community.)”

    In the wake of the news about federal officers starting to leave, Wheeler, who is also the city’s police commissioner, reinforced the importance of police and criminal justice reform. While Wheeler repeatedly demanded federal officers leave the city and even got tear gassed while joining demonstrations one night, he remains extremely unpopular among protesters, many of whom are calling for Wheeler’s resignation. Several activists tell TIME that they view Wheeler’s recent rhetoric as disingenuous, with several pointing out that he is seeking reelection. They worry about systemic problems with Portland’s police that will continue to disproportionately harm Black communities, and say that current plans to direct money away from the police have not gone far enough. What’s more, protesters worry that all the attention on the presence of federal forces is derailing the reason they’re out there in the first place: to protest police brutality and support the Black Lives Matter movement.

    Wheeler’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Wheeler has said that the focus on federal officers has shifted attention away from activists’ core demands. “The daily coverage of (federal officer’s) actions has distracted our community from the Black voices at the center of this movement, and the urgent work of reform.” he said Wednesday on Twitter.

    “Obviously we do not want the federal government here, we don’t want them anywhere. But the whole movement started because of Black Lives Matter and that’s what’s getting lost in this,” says “Beans”, who was a volunteer at a community hub and group that has provided free food called Riot Ribs. She asked to use her nickname out of fear of retribution for her high-profile work in the city. “It’s not about fighting Trump or whatever. It’s about the core values of Black Lives Matter,” she adds.

    Black adults in Multnomah County, where Portland is located, are overrepresented at the stages of arrest and imprisonment, compared to their white counterparts, according to a November 2019 report on the county’s racial and ethnic disparities from the W. Haywood Burns Institute. A one-day snapshot of the jail population on June 30, 2019 shows stark disparities across races; only 1.3 of every 1,000 white adults were incarcerated in jail, while more than six times as many (8.2 of every, 1,000 Black adults) were incarcerated in jail, according to the analysis. The trend appears to be stark for arrests, too. Because arrest data was not available, the report relied on a proxy — the “number of referrals received by the Multnomah County District Attorney’s Office.” This data revealed that 26 cases were received for every 1,000 white adults and almost five times as many cases were received for every 1,000 Black adults.

    In addition, a November 2019 analysis of traffic and pedestrian stops from the Oregon Criminal Justice Commission found that Portland police “searched African Americans at more than twice the rate of white motorists and pedestrians during a 12-month period ending in June” 2019, The Oregonian reported.

    There were at least five police-involved shootings that resulted in deaths in 2019, according to Portland Copwatch, a grassroots group promoting police accountability. The police killings of Black people from years ago, include Aaron Campbell who was fatally shot in the back while in the parking lot of an apartment complex in 2010, and Kendra James, who was fatally shot during a traffic stop in 2003.

    Portland has so far fallen short of activists’ demands to defund the police by at least $50 million and redistribute money towards investing in Black communities and anti-violence programs unrelated to law enforcement. (Care Not Cops and Don’t Shoot Portland, community groups that advocate for defunding the police, want an annual reduction of at least $50 million for “each year going forward,” according to an official list of their demands.) Wheeler has committed to diverting $7 million from the police bureau and $5 million from other parts of the city budget towards communities of color, as well as promising to remove police officers from schools and disbanding the city’s Gun Violence Reduction team, which activists said would “target Black and brown people, especially youth.” A budget passed by the Portland City Council last month would cut more than $15 million from the police bureau.

    Wheeler is also facing criticism from Portland’s city council, which on Wednesday voted unanimously in favor of a police oversight board to review misconduct investigations. Portland City Commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty said in a July 18 statement that if Wheeler “can’t control the police,” that he should give her control over the agency. “We need you to stop denying the violence being perpetrated by our own police force and make it clear and unambiguous: Portland police are directed from the top to never collaborate with 45’s goon squad, to take off their riot gear, and to stop contributing to the violence that was occurring before the feds arrived and still continues night after night,” she said. Wheeler rejected Hardesty’s request, saying he would continue to oversee the department.

    Effie Baum, spokesperson for Popular Mobilization (or PopMob), a Portland coalition of anti-fascist groups, points out the similarities between the violence perpetrated by federal officers and Portland police as well as why she’s skeptical about Wheeler’s motivations to join protesters. That’s one of the reasons “Wheeler coming out and pulling that PR stunt is so disingenuous because this has been happening here for so long and he didn’t care when it was his (police force) going after us but it’s like—Trump sends in his soldiers to attack us and suddenly Ted Wheeler cares.” It’s “absolutely a political ploy,” they say.

    Tensions are emerging among protesters, too. The Wall of Moms, an organization that has gained national attention as it brought mothers dressed in yellow to the front lines of many protests, recently indicated that it would be shifting its leadership after acknowledging in a statement that “too many of our admins were White women”; it said it decided to hand leadership of the organization over to Don’t Shoot Portland — a local group that supports Black Lives Matter by providing mutual aid to communities and protesters and has sued the city and federal government for what they characterize as the indiscriminate use of force.

    Further complicating the matter, on Wednesday, Don’t Shoot Portland accused Wall of Moms of “anti-blackness” for “leaving vulnerable Black women downtown after marching, failing to support those on the ground that put trust in them” and not informing Black leadership about officially registering as a nonprofit with the state. They said the organization “was not started for BLM, but to get the feds out of PDX” and that “combined with a lack of care for and disregard of Black women, we were used to further an agenda unrelated to BLM.” As a result, a separate group called Moms United for Black Lives has splintered off from the organization. Family members of Wall of Moms founder Bev Barnum said she would not comment on the allegation.

    Teressa Raiford, executive director of Don’t Short Portland, says that despite Wheeler’s assurances that he won’t cooperate with federal officers, they did not “see the police rendering aid or supporting anyone that’s being assaulted by any federal officers.” Raiford also finds it ironic that the local and state government has spoken out against the federal response but not the police “use of violence and tear gas.”

    Raiford says the demand to acknowledge that Black Lives Matter is not a new one, despite the recent increase in protests across the nation. “What we’re saying now in 2020 is no different than what people of the Black community have been saying forever, since we were brought here to America,” she says.

    Jennie Vinson was one of the first Wall of Moms volunteers and joined after seeing a Facebook post calling to mobilize moms. “Portland is a very white city” and “there’s an obligation that I have as a white woman have to step up and say enough is enough,” Vinson says. More than three-quarters of Portland’s residents are white and Oregon has a long racist history; the state’s constitution banned Black residents until 1926.

    “Black women have been out fighting for their kids and their families for years and now is the time that we need to really listen because this is life and death,” Vinson adds.

    Amid the chaos, Riot Ribs because a popular resource for protesters—but has also been swept up in the city’s tension. “The goal is to feed people, whatever it takes to make that happen,” Beans said, days before the organization dissolved. This week, Riot Ribs disbanded as an organization, saying they have “been personally targeted and assaulted” and “have someone who is trying to profit off of our movement who continues to volunteer in the park.” They intend to distribute the remaining donations to other community groups and rebrand as Revolution Ribs—a more on-the-go version of the operation, which will continue to feed people in different states with the help of two recently purchased vans.

    Beans said that their operation had been “tear gassed every night” with staff sometimes still trying to cook through the haze. She adds that Portland police as well as federal officers have targeted Riot Ribs, slashing open water bottles, intentionally spraying the grills with pepper spray and tear gas and raiding the spot and arresting people at 4 a.m.

    She says the group was going through 10,000 plates a day as they served all sorts of meals—from hot dogs to hamburgers to ribs to steamed rice and curry and received more than $330,000 in donations.

    Babatunde Azubuike, an activist who uses the pronouns, ze/hir or goddexx, and is Afro-indigenous, disabled and trans, says that while federal officers are “essentially limited to a very small area in downtown,” the police are everywhere and have “consistently been given a lot of access and power to brutalize people.” Babatunde, who is programs coordinator for Freedom to Thrive, is hopeful that police abolition will become a realistic option going forward, questioning how you can reform an institution “that is so brutal and violent” to begin with. Wheeler said on the night that he joined protesters that he would not commit to abolishing the police—remarks that were met by jeers by the activists surrounding him, The New York Times reported.

    Aslan Newson, a 16-year-old who identifies as queer Afro-Indigenous woman from the Klamath Tribes, has been protesting every Friday through Fridays4Freedom, a collective of Black youth and their allies in Portland who are fighting for police abolition among a variety of causes. “This work is exhausting,” Newson says. But she adds that it’s something she will be fighting for, for the rest of her life. “This isn’t an adult problem. This isn’t a youth problem,” she says. “This involves everybody.”

    #118775

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    No violence or destruction since the Feds left Portland.

    And…I think this entire argument is going to be eclipsed by what happens next anyway.

    Between now and November, each week is going to be an Eternity. And the next thing to come – that is going to wipe out concerns about Portland – is evictions. Business failures. Covid outbreaks in the schools that think science doesn’t matter.

    The next 6 months will be worse, and will dwarf what’s happened so far.

    #118768

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    We don’t know that do we? What if the “misrepresentation” does work against Biden and helps re-elect Trump? That is not out of the question as you seem to believe it is. In fact I think Trump and his campaign people do believe it. And that is my worry if it continues. What Trump wants is for these protests to continue as long as there is violence displayed. Regardless of whether the violence is a lot or its “a small militant faction with its (laughingly unthreatening) graffiti” his goal is to scare people. To get them to think that Willie Horton is coming to get them after he burns down a few cities.

    I just received a lengthy survey from his campaign asking me to respond to issues that they think is crucial to the election. From these questions it is clear that their message will be about law and order and big government socialism. Add to that the 2d amendment, lower vs higher taxes and what you will have is a very formidable sitting President. I want this guy gone for the sake of my grandchildren and I want to close all the ways he can use to be elected. If that means no more protests-so be it.

    No one here is in favor of Trump getting elected, W. We just differ on what is happening at the actual moment when it comes to his law and order rhetoric and the elections. And we’re also debating how we ourselves see the protests. You actually called for the protests to be shut down because they COULD BE (you think) distorted into Willie Horton. But W, at a certain level, there’s no difference between believing the protests are Willie Horton, and wanting to shut them down because others MIGHT believe they are Willie Horton. Either way a movement for racial justice is supposed to be compromised because of Willie Horton rhetoric.

    And it’s not necessary to make that move, to come out against the protests because of Willie Horton fears. What is ACTUALLY happening is this–the population is NOT accepting Trump’s law and order rhetoric and his effort to act like graffiti warriors in Portland are (1) a really significant crisis, and (2) representative of the protests in general (if nothing else millions of people attended protests this summer so they know better.)

    The info on that is just too abundant to ignore.

    ***

    from https://truthout.org/articles/poll-majority-of-americans-have-negative-view-of-trumps-handling-of-protests/

    Most Americans do not believe the aggressive tactics which President Donald Trump has employed to quell uprisings in cities across the country are making the situation better, a new poll has found. According to an ABC News/Ipsos poll released on Friday, just 36 percent of the country approves of the way Trump is responding to protests against racism and police violence. An overwhelming majority, 64 percent, say they disapprove of what he’s done.

    ***

    from https://buzzflash.com/articles/probably-why-trump-pulled-his-stormtroopers-from-portland-new-poll-indicates-overwhelming-majority-of-americans-have-negative-view-of-trumps-handling-of-protests

    Most Americans do not believe the aggressive tactics which President Donald Trump has employed to quell uprisings in cities across the country are making the situation better, a new poll has found…. Trump’s use of federal law enforcement officers from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Customs and Border Protection (CBP) as well as the U.S. Marshals Service to deal with protesters is having a negative effect, according to a majority of those polled.

    #118764

    In reply to: Riots helping Trump

    waterfield
    Participant

    And I believe that a “powerful” movement loses it’s power if it ceases to accomplish it’s goal.

    W, you’re telling people protesting systemic racism to stop what they’re doing because you’re afraid of a situation that does not exist–that misrepresentations of them as violent will re-elect Trump.

    And so you are saying something no different from the people who confuse the small militant faction and its (laughably unthreatening) graffiti violence with the ongoing peaceful protest all over the country. Doesn’t that just put you on their side? They go, hey no more riots in the name of racial justice. And you go, hey no more protests in the name of racial justice because I am afraid of the group that (wrongly) sees you as rioting. From the point of view of caring about racial justice, what’s the difference?

    You open up this thread with a quotation from a BLM spokesperson in Portland. Do you know your source takes his words out of context?

    “you’re afraid of a situation that does not exist–that misrepresentations of them as violent will re-elect Trump.”

    We don’t know that do we? What if the “misrepresentation” does work against Biden and helps re-elect Trump? That is not out of the question as you seem to believe it is. In fact I think Trump and his campaign people do believe it. And that is my worry if it continues. What Trump wants is for these protests to continue as long as there is violence displayed. Regardless of whether the violence is a lot or its “a small militant faction with its (laughingly unthreatening) graffiti” his goal is to scare people. To get them to think that Willie Horton is coming to get them after he burns down a few cities.

    I just received a lengthy survey from his campaign asking me to respond to issues that they think is crucial to the election. From these questions it is clear that their message will be about law and order and big government socialism. Add to that the 2d amendment, lower vs higher taxes and what you will have is a very formidable sitting President. I want this guy gone for the sake of my grandchildren and I want to close all the ways he can use to be elected. If that means no more protests-so be it.

    #118762

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    And I believe that a “powerful” movement loses it’s power if it ceases to accomplish it’s goal.

    W, you’re telling people protesting systemic racism to stop what they’re doing because you’re afraid of a situation that does not exist–that misrepresentations of them as violent will re-elect Trump.

    And so you are saying something no different from the people who confuse the small militant faction and its (laughably unthreatening) graffiti violence with the ongoing peaceful protest all over the country. Doesn’t that just put you on their side? They go, hey no more riots in the name of racial justice. And you go, hey no more protests in the name of racial justice because I am afraid of the group that (wrongly) sees you as rioting. From the point of view of caring about racial justice, what’s the difference?

    You open up this thread with a quotation from a BLM spokesperson in Portland. Do you know your source takes his words out of context?

    #118758

    In reply to: Riots helping Trump

    waterfield
    Participant

    The “RIGHT THING TO DO” for this country and future generations is to get rid of Trump !

    Of course. We’re just disagreeing about the idea that we should sacrifice a powerful movement and its peaceful protests just cause Trump tried (and failed) to make an issue out of that small faction of graffiti warriors in Oregon.

    And I believe that a “powerful” movement loses it’s power if it ceases to accomplish it’s goal. Rewarding Trump does nothing to further the “movement”. ( I realize you disagree on whether it rewards Trump) Finally, I don’t know how anyone who wasn’t there can say there was only a “small fraction of graffiti warriors”. To say that you either have to have been there or know a trusted person who said that. Other than the tv my only knowledge comes from a Presbyterian minister who I grew up with and who lives in Portland. He said it was “pretty dangerous” and wouldn’t want to have been there. He is a solid Biden supporter and said there were many, many outsiders there who were purely bent on destruction “in the name of protest”. My talk with him didn’t sound like it was a “small faction of graffiti warriors” . Then again while he was there he wasn’t where the destruction was occurring and like you, and I, he most likely got his info from TV. However, my impression was that he knows people who were there-in peaceful protest. No matter what really happened, at its core is the fact that Joe Public sees what is on tv and Trump ties into that.

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    #118752

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    waterfield
    Participant

    Before this is over Trump will have convinced the “deplorables” and those on the lower end of the brain stem that only his law and order will prevent those leftist thugs from breaking into your home, stealing your guns, raping your wife, and killing all your kids.

    Why even give him that path.

    Well…you give him that path because taking a stand against the police acting as unlawful executioners of black people is the RIGHT THING TO DO.

    And even if the protesters all went home to deny Trump that angle, he would make up some other shit to stoke his base. It doesn’t matter. I mean…Caravan. Muslims. Socialists. Emails.

    It doesn’t matter. They will make some shit up, and fire up the base.

    So stick to doing what is right. Take a stand. Push back. I agree with zn anyway; I think he lost this round. He will be back, but he lost the battle in Portland to moms and vets and kids.

    The “RIGHT THING TO DO” for this country and future generations is to get rid of Trump !

    #118751

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    The polls I want to see are those in Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. And the question I want the polls to ask is : “right now do you support the protests that you are seeing on tv” (because 99% of those polled only know about the protests from what they see on tv). Those four states are the key. Biden has to win them all.

    BTW Trump wouldn’t be making such a deal about the leftist thugs causing violence if he didn’t think it was working. The one thing he does very well is knowing how to get to people’s fears. “Run for the hills. Antifa is coming and their out to get you and your family. Run, I tell you, RUN”

    W, he DID make a big deal out of the little graffiti warrior faction in Portland, AND that did not work.

    #118745

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    Look at how you phrased that: There’s a lot of evidence the old playbook MAY not be working.

    I dunno.

    And the poll you posted said something like 54 percent or 52 percent — whats the margin of error on that?

    w
    v

    Well it;s not just a poll, there’s an entire perception out there if you read around. And it’s not just 52%, it’s 52% v. 30%.

    If I didn’t post a poll and asked you to guess the percentage who would NOT buy the law and order rhetoric v. those who did, would you ever have come up with 52% on the former v. 30% on the latter?

    Those numbers mean something.

    Trump is doing worse on that than he is on the pandemic, in terms of approval ratings.

    For right now, though, I am content to say just this: keep an eye on it. Because what’s happening is unique.

    Now in terms of this:

    but thats not the same thing as supporting the violent-protestors.

    But…that’s not important. NOBODY supports the violent protesters. Even BLM in Portland has been criticizing them. All you need to deal with that issue is to recognize it’s just few hundred graffiti warriors in a 2 block area of Portland (I don’t have the same amount of detail on Seattle). They have no significance. When Trump tried to make it seem like they were significant, it did not work.

    Compare that to the fact that according to different estimates 15-26 M Americans participated in at least one protest. It’s boulders on one side of the scale, and a few pebbles on the other side.

    ….

    ==================

    Yeah, yeah, you said not to worry before the playoff game against the Vikes in 99.

    And look how THAT turned out, Mr Numbers.

    w
    v

    #118742

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    Look at how you phrased that: There’s a lot of evidence the old playbook MAY not be working.

    I dunno.

    And the poll you posted said something like 54 percent or 52 percent — whats the margin of error on that?

    w
    v

    Well it;s not just a poll, there’s an entire perception out there if you read around. And it’s not just 52%, it’s 52% v. 30%.

    If I didn’t post a poll and asked you to guess the percentage who would NOT buy the law and order rhetoric v. those who did, would you ever have come up with 52% on the former v. 30% on the latter?

    Those numbers mean something.

    Trump is doing worse on that than he is on the pandemic, in terms of approval ratings.

    For right now, though, I am content to say just this: keep an eye on it. Because what’s happening is unique.

    Now in terms of this:

    but thats not the same thing as supporting the violent-protestors.

    But…that’s not important. NOBODY supports the violent protesters. Even BLM in Portland has been criticizing them. All you need to deal with that issue is to recognize it’s just few hundred graffiti warriors in a 2 block area of Portland (I don’t have the same amount of detail on Seattle). They have no significance. When Trump tried to make it seem like they were significant, it did not work.

    Compare that to the fact that according to different estimates 15-26 M Americans participated in at least one protest. It’s boulders on one side of the scale, and a few pebbles on the other side.

    ….

    #118737

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    I dunno. Law And Order is not just some ordinary issue that he’s made up. Its an issue that has a long history of working with the middle-classes in many places.
    Thats why Biden is making sure not to alienate the police too much.

    I think the protests may be starting to cut towards Trump AT THIS POINT. Not at the beginning, but i suspect, maybe, the Mainstream White Middle-Class is getting tired of them. I’d like to see some poll numbers that show the TRENDs, month by month on the protests, etc.

    At any rate, Waterfield is just a worrier. So am I. This is like, in 99, when the Rams had clinched the playoff berth…but we knew they had to play the Vikings.
    Its no use reasoning with us. We are haunted. Trump is Joe Kapp.

    w
    v

    I get worriers. But the law and order thing was ALWAYS racial…at heart, if not just plain openly. And now? This is what I mean about the shift in perceptions. Poll after poll shows the MAJORITY side with the protesters when it comes to issues of racial justice, and a majority also says that something like the Floyd killing is not an isolated incident illustrating a “bad apples” problem but an example of systemic racism in law enforcement.

    We did not have numbers like that before this summer. Ever. Ferguson had the majority siding with the police and denying systemic racism.

    Polls are polls, you can’t hang too much on them, but they are never JUST polls…and this is a big change. Now I don’t know if it lasts, but that’s only because I am always wary about saying things in the social/political world last.

    The significance is this. Put the polls side by side. So again, the majority sides with the protests and with the idea that law enforcement has a problem with systemic racism. AND ALSO, the majority does NOT buy Trump’s law and order rhetoric about the protests and in fact, sending the Feds to Portland actually backfired on him. To borrow (not inappropriately) from Harry Potter, turns out the wand’s not really his and the curse rebounded on him.

    Those 2 things go together. Majority sides with protests against systemic racism, majority not buying the law and order schtick.

    There’s a lot of evidence that the old playbook may not be working.

    =====================
    Look at how you phrased that: There’s a lot of evidence the old playbook MAY not be working.

    I dunno.

    And the poll you posted said something like 54 percent or 52 percent — whats the margin of error on that? And what was the exact wording? And when was it taken? And is the TREND going in one direction or the other?

    I wont dismiss the polls, and in some ways a lot of things are encouraging these days…but things are still very fluid. Thats what i think, anyway. Very fluid. Which means i see Waterfield’s point.

    And its one thing to say in a survey “I support the protestors” — but thats not the same thing as supporting the violent-protestors.

    Can Trump convince mainstreamers he supports the protestors just not the ‘violent protestors’? Thats the question. Thats the worry.

    Trumps approach worked with immigration. Same playbook. He supports immigration — just not ‘illegal’ immigration. Etc, and so forth.

    w
    v

    #118736

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    I dunno. Law And Order is not just some ordinary issue that he’s made up. Its an issue that has a long history of working with the middle-classes in many places.
    Thats why Biden is making sure not to alienate the police too much.

    I think the protests may be starting to cut towards Trump AT THIS POINT. Not at the beginning, but i suspect, maybe, the Mainstream White Middle-Class is getting tired of them. I’d like to see some poll numbers that show the TRENDs, month by month on the protests, etc.

    At any rate, Waterfield is just a worrier. So am I. This is like, in 99, when the Rams had clinched the playoff berth…but we knew they had to play the Vikings.
    Its no use reasoning with us. We are haunted. Trump is Joe Kapp.

    w
    v

    I get worriers. But the law and order thing was ALWAYS racial…at heart, if not just plain openly. And now? This is what I mean about the shift in perceptions. Poll after poll shows the MAJORITY side with the protesters when it comes to issues of racial justice, and a majority also says that something like the Floyd killing is not an isolated incident illustrating a “bad apples” problem but an example of systemic racism in law enforcement.

    We did not have numbers like that before this summer. Ever. Ferguson had the majority siding with the police and denying systemic racism.

    Polls are polls, you can’t hang too much on them, but they are never JUST polls…and this is a big change. Now I don’t know if it lasts, but that’s only because I am always wary about saying things in the social/political world last.

    The significance is this. Put the polls side by side. So again, the majority sides with the protests and with the idea that law enforcement has a problem with systemic racism. AND ALSO, the majority does NOT buy Trump’s law and order rhetoric about the protests and in fact, sending the Feds to Portland actually backfired on him. To borrow (not inappropriately) from Harry Potter, turns out the wand’s not really his and the curse rebounded on him.

    Those 2 things go together. Majority sides with protests against systemic racism, majority not buying the law and order schtick.

    There’s a lot of evidence that the old playbook may not be working.

    #118733

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    Avatar photowv
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    Before this is over Trump will have convinced the “deplorables” and those on the lower end of the brain stem that only his law and order will prevent those leftist thugs from breaking into your home, stealing your guns, raping your wife, and killing all your kids.

    Why even give him that path.

    Well…you give him that path because taking a stand against the police acting as unlawful executioners of black people is the RIGHT THING TO DO.

    And even if the protesters all went home to deny Trump that angle, he would make up some other shit to stoke his base. It doesn’t matter. I mean…Caravan. Muslims. Socialists. Emails.

    It doesn’t matter. They will make some shit up, and fire up the base.

    So stick to doing what is right. Take a stand. Push back. I agree with zn anyway; I think he lost this round. He will be back, but he lost the battle in Portland to moms and vets and kids.

    ==================

    I dunno. Law And Order is not just some ordinary issue that he’s made up. Its an issue that has a long history of working with the middle-classes in many places.
    Thats why Biden is making sure not to alienate the police too much.

    I think the protests may be starting to cut towards Trump AT THIS POINT. Not at the beginning, but i suspect, maybe, the Mainstream White Middle-Class is getting tired of them. I’d like to see some poll numbers that show the TRENDs, month by month on the protests, etc.

    At any rate, Waterfield is just a worrier. So am I. This is like, in 99, when the Rams had clinched the playoff berth…but we knew they had to play the Vikings.
    Its no use reasoning with us. We are haunted. Trump is Joe Kapp.

    w
    v
    “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
    ― Frank Herbert, Dune

    #118730

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    Avatar photoZooey
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    Before this is over Trump will have convinced the “deplorables” and those on the lower end of the brain stem that only his law and order will prevent those leftist thugs from breaking into your home, stealing your guns, raping your wife, and killing all your kids.

    Why even give him that path.

    Well…you give him that path because taking a stand against the police acting as unlawful executioners of black people is the RIGHT THING TO DO.

    And even if the protesters all went home to deny Trump that angle, he would make up some other shit to stoke his base. It doesn’t matter. I mean…Caravan. Muslims. Socialists. Emails.

    It doesn’t matter. They will make some shit up, and fire up the base.

    So stick to doing what is right. Take a stand. Push back. I agree with zn anyway; I think he lost this round. He will be back, but he lost the battle in Portland to moms and vets and kids.

    #118719
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    Who’s escalating this? It’s not us’: Portland protester says federal agents deliberately intensifying violence

    https://news.yahoo.com/whos-escalating-not-us-portland-191936244.html

    Protesters in Portland claim federal agents occupying the city are intentionally escalating violence in the city.

    Donald Trump deployed federal agents to protect a federal courthouse in Portland, against the wishes of the city’s mayor, Ted Wheeler.

    The federal agents were tasked with protecting the courthouse and subduing the protesters. They have been filmed arresting people without explanation and forcing them into unmarked vans, beaten protesters with batons, and used tear gas and pepper spray against demonstrators since arriving in the city.

    A protester told MSNBC that the federal agents were escalating tensions at the protests.

    “We came out here in t-shirts, they started gassing us. We came back with respirators, they started shooting us. We came back with vests, they started aiming for the head… And now they call us terrorists. Who’s escalating this? It’s not us,” the protester said.

    On Wednesday, Governor Kate Brown of Oregon said that all Customs and Border Protection and ICE agents would leave Portland and be replaced by Oregon State Police.

    Her statement may have come too soon, as US Department of Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf contradicted her, stating that federal agents would stay in the city “until we are assured that the Hatfield Federal Courthouse and other federal properties will no longer be attacked”.

    Mr Trump weighed in on the matter as well in a tweet on Thursday.

    “Kate Brown, Governor of Oregon, isn’t doing her job. She must clear out, and in some cases arrest, the Anarchists & Agitators in Portland. If she can’t do it, the Federal Government will do it for her. We will not be leaving until there is safety,” he wrote.

    Mr Wolf said federal troops would leave once they had assurance that the federal facilities would be protected. Mr Trump appears to have moved the goalposts and threatened to leave the agents in Portland until political dissidents are “cleared out”.

    Ms Wolf replied with her own tweet, calling Mr Trump’s invasion of Portland a “failure”.

    “I think we’ve had enough political grandstanding from DC. The President’s plan to ‘dominate’ the streets of American cities has failed,” she wrote. “We will protect free speech and the right to protest peacefully.”

    #118716
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    Republicans attack Fauci and defend Trump at coronavirus hearing

    https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-attack-fauci-and-defend-trump-at-coronavirus-hearing-173957811.html

    WASHINGTON — Republicans used a House hearing on the coronavirus pandemic to praise President Trump and sometimes criticize Dr. Anthony Fauci, a leading member of the White House coronavirus task force who has sometimes earned the ire of conservatives.

    The hearing took place Friday before a coronavirus subcommittee of the House Oversight Committee. Democrats had provocatively titled it “The Urgent Need for a National Plan to Contain the Coronavirus.”

    In his opening statement, subcommittee Chairman James Clyburn, D-S.C., a leader of the Democratic caucus in the House of Representatives, referred to a Vanity Fair report published the day before that outlined how the Trump administration decided not to implement a national response early in the course of the pandemic because the viral outbreak appeared to be confined mostly to Democratic states.

    “Instead, the president has downplayed the severity of the crisis, claiming the virus will disappear, sidelining government experts who disagree and seeking to legitimize discredited remedies,” Clyburn charged.

    “The result of these decisions is that the virus has continued to rage out of control and our nation’s economic misery has continued,” Clyburn went on, arguing that the administration’s decision to cede responsibility for pandemic response to the states, while also urging those states to reopen, has only worsened the human, economic and societal costs of the pandemic.

    Republicans argued that a coherent federal plan did exist, and launched counterattacks directed at Fauci, Democratic governors and China, where the virus originated in late 2019.

    At one point, Rep. Steve Scalise, R-La., a leading Republican in the House and a Trump ally, brandished hundreds of sheets of paper to demonstrate how many plans already did exist. Scalise praised the stack as representing “President Trump’s effective plan to keep Americans safe” from a pandemic that has killed more than 152,000 people in this country.

    The problem, critics have said, is that the administration has never committed itself fully to one of those plans. Instead, led by Trump himself, it has vacillated almost daily between calls for greater safety measures and celebrations of early-reopening states like Texas and Florida. Recent outbreaks in those states have led the administration to reconsider its rush to reopen, but not enough to order the kinds of lockdowns that shut down much of the economy in the spring.

    The dramatic high point of the hearing came during a heated exchange between Fauci, who heads the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health, and Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, one of the president’s most devoted supporters in Congress.

    Jordan seemed to argue that the antiracism protests that shook the nation throughout much of June could have led to the spread of the coronavirus. Research suggests that the protests did not lead to any outbreaks, perhaps because the protesters were outside and were mostly wearing masks.

    Jordan, however, was determined to make his point, peppering Fauci with questions about the need to limit all large gatherings.

    “Crowding together, particularly when you’re not wearing a mask, contributes to the spread of the virus,” Fauci said.

    “Should we limit the protesting?” the famously pugnacious Jordan demanded.

    Fauci seemed confused by the question, since freedom of peaceful assembly is widely understood to be guaranteed by the First Amendment.

    “I don’t think that’s relevant to —” Fauci began to say.

    Trump himself was watching the hearing from the White House and, as he is sometimes wont to do, weighed in on the proceedings via Twitter.

    “Somebody please tell Congressman Clyburn, who doesn’t have a clue, that the chart he put up indicating more CASES for the U.S. than Europe, is because we do MUCH MORE testing than any other country in the World. If we had no testing, or bad testing, we would show very few CASES,” one message said.

    A follow-up message from the president attacked the “Lamestream Media and their partner, the Do Nothing Radical Left Democrats.”

    After clips of Jordan’s exchange with Fauci began being spread across social media, Trump fired off another tweet addressing it specifically.

    “Great job by Jim Jordan, and also some very good statements by Tony Fauci,” the president wrote. “Big progress being made!”

    The highly politicized atmosphere left little room for a substantive discussion of how to combat the coronavirus, which has recently devastated states across the Sun Belt and now appears to be moving to the Midwest. Trump himself has vacillated between solemnity and dismissiveness in his own approach to the pandemic. That has left him with low approval ratings ahead of November’s presidential election.

    But defending Trump at Friday’s hearing proved a difficult and potentially politically perilous task, as evidenced by Jordan’s attack on Fauci regarding the Black Lives Matter protests. Jordan’s ultimate point was that while the protests were widely allowed and encouraged by many in government, some states had limited religious gatherings. Churches have been the sites of coronavirus hot spots in some places.

    “There’s been no violence that I can see at church,” Jordan said. “I haven’t seen people during a church service go out and harm police officers or burn buildings.” He contrasted peaceful worship with the sometimes violent protests in Portland, Ore., which Trump controversially used federal officers to contain.

    “No limit to protests, but, boy, you can’t go to church on Sunday,” Jordan said sarcastically, a staple of his congressional comportment.

    Fauci, however, would not take the bait. “I don’t know how many times I can answer that,” he replied, the smile on his face wearing thin. “I’m not going to opine on limiting anything.”

    “You’ve opined on a lot of things, Dr. Fauci,” Jordan shot back.

    Having served five presidents prior to Trump, Fauci did not appear rattled by the attack. “I’m telling you what it is, the danger. And you can make your own conclusion about that. You should stay away from crowds no matter where the crowds are.”

    There were more substantive moments during the hearing, as when Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, admitted to Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., that he had not been consulted on the Trump administration’s widely criticized decision to have hospitals send data directly to the federal Department of Health and Human Services, bypassing the CDC.

    He also endorsed opening schools for in-person instruction in the fall, something that many of the largest districts around the country have been reluctant to do.

    But the hearing often devolved into partisan theatrics. At one point, Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer, R-Mo., noted that “young men playing football in high school” was likely as dangerous as reopening schools. It is not clear how he came to that conclusion, as it is not known what reopening schools will do to the course of the pandemic.

    Near the end of the hearing, Scalise once more held up the manifold plans that he said constituted the sum of Trump’s impressive response to the crisis.

    “There’s thousands more pages online,” he said.

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