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November 29, 2017 at 1:02 am #78055znModerator
Giants just named Geno Smith starting QB Week 13
— Andrew Siciliano (@AndrewSiciliano) November 28, 2017
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Today is the official start of the end of Eli Manning’s time with the Giants.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) November 28, 2017
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Eli Manning, the Jacksonville Jaguars' starting quarterback in 2018.
— Alden Gonzalez (@Alden_Gonzalez) November 28, 2017
November 29, 2017 at 1:05 am #78056znModeratorGiants bench Eli Manning for Geno Smith, will eventually play rookie Davis Webb
Manning’s starting streak is officially overSean Wagner-McGough
http://www.ramsfansunited.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6995
The Giants’ unexpected disastrous season took another strange turn on Tuesday when the team announced that they will bench franchise legend Eli Manning for Geno Smith against the Raiders on Sunday. They also committed to playing rookie Davis Webb at some point this season.
“Geno will start this week,” Giants coach Ben McAdoo said. “Over the last five games, we will take a look at Geno, and we will also give Davis an opportunity.”
And that means Manning’s consecutive starts streak will end at 210. According to the Giants’ press release, Manning willingly accepted his demotion. He was given the chance to maintain his streak, but declined the opportunity to start. Basically, it sounds like Manning was told that he could start and continue his streak before getting pulled mid-game for Smith or Webb.
That’s why he said no thanks.
“Coach McAdoo told me I could continue to start while Geno and Davis are given an opportunity to play,” Manning said. “My feeling is that if you are going to play the other guys, play them. Starting just to keep the streak going and knowing you won’t finish the game and have a chance to win it is pointless to me, and it tarnishes the streak. Like I always have, I will be ready to play if and when I am needed. I will help Geno and Davis prepare to play as well as they possibly can.”
More to come.
November 29, 2017 at 9:46 am #78066wvParticipantWell, i think of it more as ‘the saving of Eli’ as opposed to the ‘benching’ of Eli.
Geno is gonna get bulgerized.I’m sure eli wants to ‘compete’ but i think this is the best thing for him and the giants, for now. So i disagree with Kurt, who said “shame on the giants’.
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vNovember 29, 2017 at 9:09 pm #78118ZooeyModeratorAdam Schefter@AdarnSchefter
Eli Manning has asked Jerry Reese and the Giants organization for his release, per source.Which is bogus because Adam Schefter’s account isn’t AdarnSchefter.
November 29, 2017 at 9:17 pm #78119ZooeyModeratorI don’t understand all the hand-wringing over this.
I am hearing all kinds of sackcloth and ashes, and that the coach is finished now, and How Dare They, and so forth.
What I’m not hearing is any discussion of how Manning has performed this year, or how this change might fit the Giants’ needs going forward. I mean…nobody is talking about that. It’s all about how this is a disgrace, and about what Manning “deserves,” and how it could have been handled better, and all that crap.
So all I get from that is that the media types (who obviously center around New York in their emphasis) love Manning for being the QB of Record in two winning Super Bowls, and they are all broken up about the end of an era during a terrible season in which the Giants suck out loud.
Now, I know the Giants have had bad injuries which have absolutely affected Manning’s performance. But. I’m not hearing anybody argue that his performance is good under the circumstances. Or anything LIKE that.
Just that this is awful, and Poor Eli, and blah, blah, blah.
November 29, 2017 at 9:43 pm #78123znModeratorWhich is bogus because Adam Schefter’s account isn’t AdarnSchefter.
Thanks. I was rushing and didnt look. I deleted my original.
November 29, 2017 at 10:01 pm #78125ZooeyModeratorWhich is bogus because Adam Schefter’s account isn’t AdarnSchefter.
Thanks. I was rushing and didnt look. I deleted my original.
Well, delete mine, and delete yours, and delete this.
November 30, 2017 at 1:45 pm #78143joemadParticipantEli has sucked lately, but Geno Smith has sucked worse……….. i think that’s part of the issue ……NYG is benching Eli for Geno Smith…..
When Warner was benched in NY, it was understood he was being benched for the future…
Old AZ article from 2009 when Warner was getting ready to play Pittsburgh in the SB……
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2009/01/leitch_how_tom_coughlin_was_wr.html
Leitch: How Tom Coughlin Was Wrong, and Right, About Kurt Warner
By Will Leitch
On November 14, 2004, the general consensus was that the Arizona Cardinals had ended Kurt Warner’s career as a starting NFL quarterback. Warner was playing for the Giants then, and the Cardinals sacked him six times en route to a 17–14 victory at the old Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe. It was the second loss in a row for Tom Coughlin’s team, dropping them to 5–4. They would lose their next six, but Warner couldn’t be blamed for that. Coughlin benched him for rookie Eli Manning right after the game.As the week’s worth of hype begins for Sunday’s Super Bowl XLIII between the Pittsburgh Steelers and Warner’s Arizona Cardinals, it’s worth remembering Warner’s brief time with the Giants. After being pushed aside in St. Louis for Marc Bulger, Warner came to the Giants ostensibly as a placeholder for Manning, but that Giants team had hopes of its own, buoyed by a 5–2 start. He didn’t actually play that poorly in New York — he had far superior stats that season to Manning — but the perception was that he was over his head in the big city, and his time had passed. And that Manning needed to start playing immediately to prepare for his role as the Future of the Franchise. Warner was upset at the time, but, as is his wont, handled it with aplomb. Manning told the Arizona Republic this year, “I think he understood what was going on but he was very helpful to me. Because of the way he acted it made it easier on me.”
A month after Warner was benched by the Giants, Michael Lewis described Coughlin’s thinking in his famous New York Times Magazine cover story on Eli Manning:
Anyone who watched the game on TV might well have come to the same conclusion: these fellows on the Giants line appeared to be perfectly incompetent. Poor Warner was doing all he could. But Coughlin wasn’t sure. He went into the office in the wee hours of the morning and studied the game tapes … Coughlin had timed every pass play — all 37 of them — and discovered that 30 times Warner held the ball for 3.8 seconds or more. (Depending on how many steps the quarterback drops back to pass, 1.2 to 3 seconds is considered the norm.) Often Giants receivers were open and Warner wasn’t seeing them. The quarterback was more to blame for the sacks than the people assigned to protect him. And one thing Coughlin had noticed in practice about Eli Manning was that, unlike most rookie quarterbacks, he made decisions quickly and got the ball away before the defense could kill him.
By the end of the season it was clear: Eli Manning was the future, and Kurt Warner was toast. The Cardinals signed Warner as a stopgap, only to bench him for rookie Matt Leinart before the 2006 season was over. But Eli was struggling in East Rutherford, too. It looked like Coughlin’s benching of Warner had worked out terribly for both parties. As it turns out, it was the best thing that could have happened for everybody.
Whatever your thoughts about Manning’s playoff performance against the Eagles, he is a Super Bowl MVP and is about to be one of the highest-paid players in the game. And after Warner went to Arizona, Leinart eventually imploded in a keg-party haze, and Warner found himself in charge of one of the most explosive offenses in football, playing in conditions perfect for his talents. In New York, Warner was washed up. Now he’s looking like a lock for the Hall of Fame.
Coughlin might have been right about Eli, but it’s far from certain he was right about Warner. One of the keys to Warner’s success with the Cardinals has been how quickly he’s able to get rid of the ball. (Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt, when he named Warner in the preseason, said this was one of the main reasons he went with him over Leinart.) The Cardinals’ offensive line is competent, but inferior to the Giants’. The reason Warner threw for 4,583 yards and 30 touchdowns this season — more TDs than any Giants quarterback has thrown for in 45 years — is because he delivers the ball to the Cardinals’ outstanding receiver core of Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, and Steve Breaston before the pass rush can meet him. If Coughlin was concerned about Warner missing open receivers back in 2004, that hasn’t been a problem this year. (This also might have a lot to do with offensive coordinator Matt Todd Haley’s schemes, which are more unpredictable and route-oriented than the Giants’ were in 2004.)
It’s difficult to blame Coughlin too much, though. Even in an offensive scheme more suited to his talents, it’s unlikely that Warner would have had the same success in East Rutherford. Warner’s best seasons have come in warm weather and domes, and if you saw him struggle in Philadelphia and New England late in the season, you know even the slightest change in conditions can derail his whole game. In the playoffs, the Cardinals played two games in their home dome and one in the relative warmth of Charlotte. That wouldn’t have been the case in New York.
And Warner is as bizarre a historic anomaly as you’ll find in sports. He’s probably going to the Hall of Fame even though he’s had only three years in which he started more than twelve games. With any team that wasn’t perfectly suited to his talents, he collapsed. He’s basically the sports equivalent of Naughty by Nature having two separate one-hit wonders, “O.P.P” in 1991 and “Hip Hop Hooray”in 1996, and then never doing anything else of note. But just as Naughty by Nature gets to keep those gold records, Warner gets to keep the Super Bowl ring. And if the Cardinals can win Sunday, one Tom Coughlin benching on a hot day in the desert back in 2004 may have laid the path for two separate Super Bowl champions. No one involved would have it any other way
November 30, 2017 at 7:38 pm #78153ZooeyModeratorYeah, I understand that Geno Smith has been terrible, and benching Eli for Geno looks bad, and would seem to make no sense going forward.
But, I dunno. Because for all I know, Smith is actually capable of doing certain things, and not capable of doing other things. And for all I know, the things McAdoo wants him to do are in his wheelhouse. Or something. I mean…I don’t know.
But if that isn’t the case, then why doesn’t one of these whiners SAY that? It just the same superficial crap we always get from the national media types. Everyone is all Boo Hoo over Eli Manning, or else @#$()*&(*!@ over Eli Manning, but nobody has anything Football to say about it.
They are good for highlights, and that’s it. Just roll the tape, and STFU.
December 1, 2017 at 3:53 pm #78195JackPMillerParticipantSave Eli, while you tank the rest of the season. Plus, there will be teams like Buffalo, Cleveland, Denver, Jacksonville, and the NY Jets that would be willing to trade for him. Those teams feel like they are close and can make that run.
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