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  • #67401
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    interesting exchange:https://medium.com/@danielle_ryan/a-story-about-evidence-710fbca3f0f1

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    more:https://whowhatwhy.org/2014/12/01/really-used-chemical-weapons-syria/

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    #67404
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    Urban can’t even direct Hitchens to a report or an article or anything at all to back up his claim that “evidence” exists to prove his claim — something you’d imagine would be easy for an editor at a major BBC news program to do.

    You want to do this the right way?

    We can go look up the evidence/argument for it ourselves. We don’t need fringe talking heads and guys like Hitchens (who you remember skewers Chomsky).

    Actually research the thing, for real, without a predisposed outcome. It’s what we did in the lead-up to the Iraq war. We could actually examine the entire spectrum of what was out there and make real judgments based on actually knowing the whole story.

    I thought what Hitchens did was disinqenuous (as usual). It is possible to pull up what the europeans and americans (and russians) were saying at the time.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/04/world/syria-us-evidence-chemical-weapons-attack/

    President Barack Obama says the United States has “high confidence” that Syria used chemical weapons — the strongest position the U.S. can take short of confirmation.

    Britain, France, and Germany say their intelligence backs up the same conclusion.

    #67407
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    I have no problem with that approach, zn. But i dont just ‘dismiss’ any of those voices in those two links. They raise questions for me. I dont adopt their views but they do raise questions.

    The second link was not one involving Hitchens and Urban. It was more interesting, I thought.

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    #67411
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    I have no problem with that approach, zn. But i dont just ‘dismiss’ any of those voices in those two links. They raise questions for me. I dont adopt their views but they do raise questions.

    The second link was not one involving Hitchens and Urban. It was more interesting, I thought.

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    Of course I dismiss them!

    They repeat the Russian take on this with nothing on their side but smarmy innuendo.

    They do not genuinely cover the range of views and evidence.

    Back when, I reacted the same way to rightie claims that Hussein was in league with al qaeda.

    Just don’t take that personally. It’s just what my instincts see in all this.

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    #67417
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    I have no problem with that approach, zn. But i dont just ‘dismiss’ any of those voices in those two links. They raise questions for me. I dont adopt their views but they do raise questions.

    The second link was not one involving Hitchens and Urban. It was more interesting, I thought.

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    Of course I dismiss them!

    They repeat the Russian take on this with nothing on their side but smarmy innuendo.

    They do not genuinely cover the range of views and evidence.

    Back when, I reacted the same way to rightie claims that Hussein was in league with al qaeda.

    Just don’t take that personally. It’s just what my instincts see in all this.

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    I dont take it personally my old friend. Dont ever worry about that.

    But i dont know why you would dimiss somethin just because the Russians agree with it. Sometimes the Russians are right.

    I dont mind innuendo. Because i dont have to accept it. I can just file it away, and explore further and mull it over. A lot of these things that you ‘dismiss’, i ‘file away’. I dont agree or disagree with them. Just food for thought, to me.

    Did you look at the second link? No, you didnt did you 🙂

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