John Oliver: Republican National Convention

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July 25, 2016 at 6:14 pm #49368

zn
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July 26, 2016 at 11:14 am #49379

wv
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Feelings have often, if not mostly always, trumped facts
in elections.

Talking-feeling-monkeys.

Anyway, J.Oliver should give equal time to Hillary’s flaws.
crooked-narcissist-egomaniac-pro-corporate-Billionaire-Donald.
vs
Crooked-Neoliberal-pro-Corporate-empire-builder-hawk-Hillary.

Whats a talking-feeling monkey
to do?

w
v

July 26, 2016 at 11:59 am #49380

zn
Moderator

wv wrote:

Feelings have often, if not mostly always, trumped facts
in elections.

Talking-feeling-monkeys.

Anyway, J.Oliver should give equal time to Hillary’s flaws.
crooked-narcissist-egomaniac-pro-corporate-Billionaire-Donald.
vs
Crooked-Neoliberal-pro-Corporate-empire-builder-hawk-Hillary.

Whats a talking-feeling monkey
to do?

w
v

The talking monkeys can begin by making the Donald list more realistically reflect the actual problems.

How about adding racist hyper-nationalist sexist lying demagogue who will appoint an anti-choice supreme court while lowering taxes on the upper brackets in an already inequality-mired economy.

For starters.

July 26, 2016 at 2:26 pm #49383

wv
Participant

zn wrote:

wv wrote:

Feelings have often, if not mostly always, trumped facts
in elections.

Talking-feeling-monkeys.

Anyway, J.Oliver should give equal time to Hillary’s flaws.
crooked-narcissist-egomaniac-pro-corporate-Billionaire-Donald.
vs
Crooked-Neoliberal-pro-Corporate-empire-builder-hawk-Hillary.

Whats a talking-feeling monkey
to do?

w
v

The talking monkeys can begin by making the Donald list more realistically reflect the actual problems.

How about adding racist hyper-nationalist sexist lying demagogue who will appoint an anti-choice supreme court while lowering taxes on the upper brackets in an already inequality-mired economy.

For starters.

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No argument from me.

But then, the Hillary list could be longer too 🙂

w
v

July 26, 2016 at 3:40 pm #49385

zn
Moderator

wv wrote:

zn wrote:

wv wrote:

Feelings have often, if not mostly always, trumped facts
in elections.

Talking-feeling-monkeys.

Anyway, J.Oliver should give equal time to Hillary’s flaws.
crooked-narcissist-egomaniac-pro-corporate-Billionaire-Donald.
vs
Crooked-Neoliberal-pro-Corporate-empire-builder-hawk-Hillary.

Whats a talking-feeling monkey
to do?

w
v

The talking monkeys can begin by making the Donald list more realistically reflect the actual problems.

How about adding racist hyper-nationalist sexist lying demagogue who will appoint an anti-choice supreme court while lowering taxes on the upper brackets in an already inequality-mired economy.

For starters.

=============
No argument from me.

But then, the Hillary list could be longer too

w
v

The length of course is not as pertinent as what’s on it.

Yes Hillary represents the unenlightened coporatacratic status quo.

And..as paradoxical and ironic and dark humorish as it sounds, Trump represents a big regression from that. That will also still include that anyway.

So it;s like this.

A: We have 2 choices.
B: What’s the 1st choice.
A: Well we stay with the Roman empire and its hierarchical socio-economic system.
B: I see. What’s the 2nd choice.
A: The empire is overthrown and all its institutions destroyed by burnt earth hordes who practice human sacrifice and treat all outsiders as pagans to be tortured and slain.
B: Can I just join a monastery?
A: The hordes take particular delight in tormenting monasteries.
B: Hmm. Okay Let me think….

July 26, 2016 at 5:36 pm #49387

waterfield
Participant

Problem: by joining a monastery -well that is exactly what the burnt earth hordes want. Makes the path to power so much easier.

July 26, 2016 at 6:12 pm #49389

wv
Participant

zn wrote:

wv wrote:

zn wrote:

wv wrote:

Feelings have often, if not mostly always, trumped facts
in elections.

Talking-feeling-monkeys.

Anyway, J.Oliver should give equal time to Hillary’s flaws.
crooked-narcissist-egomaniac-pro-corporate-Billionaire-Donald.
vs
Crooked-Neoliberal-pro-Corporate-empire-builder-hawk-Hillary.

Whats a talking-feeling monkey
to do?

w
v

The talking monkeys can begin by making the Donald list more realistically reflect the actual problems.

How about adding racist hyper-nationalist sexist lying demagogue who will appoint an anti-choice supreme court while lowering taxes on the upper brackets in an already inequality-mired economy.

For starters.

=============
No argument from me.

But then, the Hillary list could be longer too

w
v

The length of course is not as pertinent as what’s on it.

Yes Hillary represents the unenlightened coporatacratic status quo.

And..as paradoxical and ironic and dark humorish as it sounds, Trump represents a big regression from that. That will also still include that anyway.

So it;s like this.

A: We have 2 choices.
B: What’s the 1st choice.
A: Well we stay with the Roman empire and its hierarchical socio-economic system.
B: I see. What’s the 2nd choice.
A: The empire is overthrown and all its institutions destroyed by burnt earth hordes who practice human sacrifice and treat all outsiders as pagans to be tortured and slain.
B: Can I just join a monastery?
A: The hordes take particular delight in tormenting monasteries.
B: Hmm. Okay Let me think….

===================

Well, I dunno. Maybe i think Hillary is a bit worse than you do,
and maybe I think trump is not quite as bad as you think he is.

At any rate, i think the system that spawned both of them
seriously threatens all life on Earth.

And now I shall eat linguini.

w
v

July 26, 2016 at 6:40 pm #49392

zn
Moderator

Well, I dunno. Maybe i think Hillary is a bit worse than you do,
and maybe I think trump is not quite as bad as you think he is.

I have no problem with people thinking bad things about Hillary.

But at the risk of it coming across wrong, my bet is the people on the left saying Trump isn’t that bad are the ones who have spent less time researching him.

If it honestly is in the end about policies, then, I genuinely believe knowing more about Trump would be a dark eye-opener.

Let;s put it this way. I would vote for either Bush over him.

….

July 26, 2016 at 6:52 pm #49393

bnw
Blocked

I love the desperation. Clinton Cash should be required viewing. Trump is a choir boy compared to Hildabeast who has sold influence to arms dealers and dictators and even Vladimir Putin. She’s so corrupt as to beg the question are her supporters that callous or shallow or stupid?

The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

Sprinkles are for winners.

July 26, 2016 at 8:02 pm #49396

wv
Participant

zn wrote:

Well, I dunno. Maybe i think Hillary is a bit worse than you do,
and maybe I think trump is not quite as bad as you think he is.

I have no problem with people thinking bad things about Hillary.

But at the risk of it coming across wrong, my bet is the people on the left saying Trump isn’t that bad are the ones who have spent less time researching him.

If it honestly is in the end about policies, then, I genuinely believe knowing more about Trump would be a dark eye-opener.

Let;s put it this way. I would vote for either Bush over him.

….

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Well its quite true i havent done much reading about him,
and i dont intend to,
but still…there’s the NAFTA type deals – to me, those are huge.
And Trump is against them. So, I keep coming back to that.
It puts Trump in an odd category to me.

w
v

July 26, 2016 at 8:46 pm #49397

zn
Moderator

wv wrote:

zn wrote:

Well, I dunno. Maybe i think Hillary is a bit worse than you do,
and maybe I think trump is not quite as bad as you think he is.

I have no problem with people thinking bad things about Hillary.

But at the risk of it coming across wrong, my bet is the people on the left saying Trump isn’t that bad are the ones who have spent less time researching him.

If it honestly is in the end about policies, then, I genuinely believe knowing more about Trump would be a dark eye-opener.

Let;s put it this way. I would vote for either Bush over him.

….

——————-
Well its quite true i havent done much reading about him,
and i dont intend to,
but still…there’s the NAFTA type deals – to me, those are huge.
And Trump is against them. So, I keep coming back to that.
It puts Trump in an odd category to me.

w
v

I posted stuff about the trade thing. It’s misleading. It’s being taken for something it isn’t.

Link: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/trade/

From that thread:

Trump’s latest take on trade is a scam. He claims to be offering a path for workers, but is actually just offering mostly empty boxes on trade. What exactly is he trying to accomplish with renegotiated trade deals? And if is he so keen to help working people, why does he then steer the discussion back toward the traditional corporate agenda of tax cuts for corporations and the rich? Some pro-worker, anti-elite populist Trump is.

Donald Trump’s anti-trade rhetoric amounts to little more than bandwagon bluster and textbook hypocrisy. He knows the TPP is unpopular in the states he needs to win so he pretends to care about lost jobs and shuttered factories.

If you want to know Trump’s true position on the current corporate trade model, all you have to do is follow the money. Trump has consistently sent American jobs overseas to line his own pockets. He personally profited from the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta).

You’ll have to forgive our skepticism that Donald Trump is actually a friend of working people. He said our wages are too high. Really, he did. Trump wants to destroy labor unions. His position on wage-suppressing right-to-work laws is “100%”, and he has routinely moved union jobs to right-to-work states.

July 26, 2016 at 9:11 pm #49399

Billy_T
Participant

Well its quite true i havent done much reading about him,
and i dont intend to,
but still…there’s the NAFTA type deals – to me, those are huge.
And Trump is against them. So, I keep coming back to that.
It puts Trump in an odd category to me.

w
v

WV,

Trump has said a lot of things, but he’s never called American corporations onto the carpet for their exploitation of those trade deals. He always couches them as if foreign nations are screwing us and American workers, and that those other nations are “winning” and we’re “losing.” China, more than anyone else. He’s never once mentioned the fact that corporate America pushed for those “free trade” agreements primarily so they could more easily chase cheaper and cheaper labor, ship jobs overseas — which Trump does with all of his manufacturing companies — and then sell the products back to Americans on the cheap. He always sets things up as if foreign nations, immigrants, refugees, undocumented workers are trying to take away American jobs. That’s classic scapegoating, and it’s primarily of black and brown people.

Again, not once has he mentioned American corporate culpability.

July 26, 2016 at 9:21 pm #49400

Billy_T
Participant

Also, Trump doesn’t exactly have a great history of telling the truth.

He said he had proof that Obama was born in Kenya, but never produced it.

He said he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrate on 9/11. It never happened.

He said America gave Iran 150 billion dollars in the Iran deal. It was actually their own money which we froze, illegally.

And all too many of his claims are fascist-like. He said he would shut down all the mosques and block Muslims from entering America. That he would deport all the undocumented workers.

He said women should be punished for having abortions.

He said Mexicans were rapists and that Mexico was sending us “its worst criminals” on purpose.

In his rallies, he’s egged on his supporters to beat up lone protestors, and that, don’t worry, he’d pay for the medical costs.

All of the above should easily disqualify him in the minds of voters, in my opinion, as should this:

He’s a frequent guest of one of the most odious public figures in America, Alex Jones — whom I’ve mentioned before.

July 26, 2016 at 9:30 pm #49401

wv
Participant

Billy_T wrote:

Well its quite true i havent done much reading about him,
and i dont intend to,
but still…there’s the NAFTA type deals – to me, those are huge.
And Trump is against them. So, I keep coming back to that.
It puts Trump in an odd category to me.

w
v

WV,

Trump has said a lot of things, but he’s never called American corporations onto the carpet for their exploitation of those trade deals. He always couches them as if foreign nations are screwing us and American workers, and that those other nations are “winning” and we’re “losing.” China, more than anyone else. He’s never once mentioned the fact that corporate America pushed for those “free trade” agreements primarily so they could more easily chase cheaper and cheaper labor, ship jobs overseas — which Trump does with all of his manufacturing companies — and then sell the products back to Americans on the cheap. He always sets things up as if foreign nations, immigrants, refugees, undocumented workers are trying to take away American jobs. That’s classic scapegoating, and it’s primarily of black and brown people.

Again, not once has he mentioned American corporate culpability.

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Yes, i know that, BT — but of the two, who is more pro-corporate: Hillary or Trump?

w
v

July 26, 2016 at 9:49 pm #49403

Billy_T
Participant

Yes, i know that, BT — but of the two, who is more pro-corporate: Hillary or Trump?

w
v

Hard to say. Clinton is famously pro-corporate. Rather, infamously so. But Trump actually owns them — at least until he bankrupts them, which he’s done six times.

And HRC isn’t talking about slashing their taxes. Trump is. Deep, deep tax cuts for corporations, rich people, along with ending the estate tax and slashing capital gains.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform

HRC is actually proposing slightly higher rates at the top. No talk from her about changing corporate rates, the estate tax or capital gains.

I can’t stand either of them, as mentioned. But I do see HRC and the Dems as the lesser evil. And we don’t get Trump by himself, as you know. He comes as a package deal with the rest of the Republican party, with Mike Pence likely being the defacto president, regardless. Even if Trump truly does want to remake those trade deals, will his party let him?

This is just the pits as far as choices go this time around.
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