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  • #78926
    wv
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    Man, I expect some bad shit to be coming our way over Trumps latest lunacy.

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    ISIS threatens attacks on US soil over Trump’s Jerusalem decision

    Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) has threatened attacks in the United States in retaliation for Donald Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, according to one of the terrorist group’s social media accounts.

    The message was relayed on an account on the Telegram instant message service. In that message, IS said it would carry out operations in the US, showing photos of New York’s Times Square and what appeared to be an explosive belt and detonator.
    Calling the US president a “dog,” the message promised a response to that decision by “recognizing explosives” as the capital of the United States, Reuters reported.

    Trump announced his formal recognition of the ancient city as the Jewish state’s capital last week. “I have determined that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Previous presidents have made this a major campaign promise, they failed to deliver. Today, I am delivering,” he said.

    The move prompted anger across the Muslim world, along with criticism from most EU states, Russia and China.

    On Wednesday, Hamas renewed its call for a new infitada, or uprising: “The Hamas movement has called on the Palestinian people to face the Israeli occupation and adopt the blessed intifada option against it and against the American decision on Jerusalem,” Hamas spokesperson Abdullatif Al Qanoua told RT.

    Meanwhile, Iran’s defense minister said Trump’s decision would speed up the destruction of Tehran’s arch rival: “(Trump‘s) move will hasten the destruction of the Zionist regime [Israel] and will double unity among Muslims,” Brigadier General Hatami told a meeting of senior military officials Monday, as cited by various Iranian media outlets.

    ‘Day of Rage’ protests were called in the West Bank, Gaza, and Jerusalem following Trump’s announcement, leading to hundreds being injured. Others demonstrated in Asian capitals and in Europe, with Israeli flags being burned in Berlin.

    In an emergency UN Security Council meeting following the decision, British ambassador Matthew Rycroft said the UK “disagrees” with Trump’s decision, while France said it “regrets” the move. German Chancellor Angela Merkel has also stressed that Berlin “does not support” Trump’s decision, while EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said the European Union would continue to recognize the “international consensus” on Jerusalem.

    However, the US remains steadfast, with US envoy to the UN Nikki Haley stating on Sunday that “the sky hasn’t fallen” following Trump’s decision. She insisted that the move was the “right thing to do” and that it’s “just reality” that Jerusalem is indisputably the capital of Israel.

    Haley also stated during the emergency meeting that only the United States – not the other 14 nations comprising the council – has credibility when it comes to mediating the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
    link:https://www.rt.com/news/413201-isis-threats-us-jerusalem/

    #78929
    wv
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    link:http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48405.htm

    Trump Says Recognising Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel Will Bring Peace – it Will do Quite the Opposite

    By Robert Fisk

    December 13, 2017 “Information Clearing House” – I was called by an Irish radio station in Dublin to respond to President Donald Trump’s decision to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. What did I think was going on inside the US President’s mind, I was asked? And I replied immediately: “I don’t have the key to the lunatic asylum.” What might once have seemed an outrageously over-the-top remark was simply accepted as a normal journalistic reaction to the leader of the world’s greatest superpower. And re-listening to the speech that Trump made in the White House, I realised I should have been far less restrained. The very text of the document is insane, preposterous, shameful.

    Goodbye Palestine. Goodbye the two-state solution. Goodbye the Palestinians. For this new Israeli “capital” is not for them. Trump did not even use the word “Palestine”. He talked about “Israel and the Palestinians” – in other words, of a state and of those who do not deserve – and can no longer aspire to – a state. No wonder I received a call in Beirut last night from a Palestinian woman who had just listened to the Trump destruction of the “peace process”. “Remember Kingdom of Heaven?” she asked me, referring to Ridley Scott’s great movie of the 1187 fall of Jerusalem. “Well it’s now the Kingdom of Hell.”….see link…

    #78946
    Zooey
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    I freely admit I don’t know a lot about this, but my thought is that West Jerusalem is the de facto capital of Israel whether we acknowledge it or not. That’s where their government is. Our embassy location doesn’t change that.

    However, there is a certain amount of value in the international acknowledgement of that fact.

    So…what Trump did…was GIVE AWAY something in exchange for absolutely nothing. Previous presidents have tried to use this as a bargaining chip in negotiating a cessation of the settlements, for example. Trump just gave it up for nothing in return. And offended people unnecessarily.

    And also probably won the hearts back of some of the evangelicals who have been growing more tepid in their support.

    As far as ISIS’ threat…they would attack us anyway if they could. This makes little difference.

    #78951
    wv
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    As far as ISIS’ threat…they would attack us anyway if they could. This makes little difference.

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    Maybe, but maybe it will motivate some new-recruits who wouldnt have joined had it not been for this ‘last straw’ etc, and so forth.

    I dunno.

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    #78953
    Zooey
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    As far as ISIS’ threat…they would attack us anyway if they could. This makes little difference.

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    Maybe, but maybe it will motivate some new-recruits who wouldnt have joined had it not been for this ‘last straw’ etc, and so forth.

    I dunno.

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    I thought that before I typed it.

    But then I thought…they can point to the US support of Israel anyway. Like…we give them billions of dollars and weapons, and enable the settlements, and on and on. The embassy isn’t a tipping point for anybody. Our support is well past the tipping point anyway.

    So…yeah…they will use it. But it’s absence wouldn’t make any difference, wouldn’t make it any more challenging to recruit.

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