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waterfieldParticipantBy the way: what’s depicted in the video with the woman is very, very typical. What happens is that everyone wants to get in the water so everyone in the boat goes in. Hopefully the anchor is set well enough where you don’t have to worry. But sometimes the anchor isn’t and will drag across the bottom causing the boat to drift. After every single dive I will look for the boat no matter how far away I am to see if it is drifting. Most of the time -unless a strong current is running-you can swim to it, get in, motor back to the dive area and set the anchor. But I’ve had to be picked up by other boats more than once.
waterfieldParticipantMost changes I see are related to illegal fishing practices that have wiped out certain species. The water seems not as clear-keeping in mind most of my diving is off the California coast and it has never been as clear as say Hawaii. The marine scientists say the water temperature is drastically up due to climate change-which is hard to notice when you are not at deep current levels. But I do notice different species of fish never before seen in our waters-mostly fish coming from normal warm waters off Mexico-probably for survival.
waterfieldParticipantP.S. As you can tell I like discussing this stuff. Its been my life-other than my family and the law.
waterfieldParticipantInteresting stuff on the HBO program. The “competition” they mentioned is totally different than spearfishing competitions. In the former there is no “hunt” involved its simply a dead drop-straight down as far as your breath can take you-then a release of whatever assistance has carried you down-weights, rope, etc-then back up with others near the surface in case of a black out. In spearfishing competitions you are usually by yourself and once at your depth you are hunting into holes, caves, etc and chasing fish.
Here’s kind of a cool video made by a free diver with a go-pro camera. Shows some 100 ft dives for hunting. These are young studs. Like I say for me now-its mostly 30 ft stuff and then back on the boat for wine. But we still at least get in the water-just not like what you see in this video-anymore-but there was a time.
waterfieldParticipantI like her a lot. Policies aside she’s smart, she’s honest, she’s solid; she’s tough and hopefully we don’t lose her. Right now she’s sick and under self- quaranty.
waterfieldParticipantSo where did you grow up ? If you start as a young age your ears become accustomed to clearing as you go down. You can actually hear the click, click, click click click. The real danger is that if you spear a fish at that depth and it “holes up” you need to stay and work the fish out of its cave. That takes time, and effort-using precious air. I’ve known more than one free diver who is no longer with us because of this. My most memorable and frightening time was 1957 Pacific Coast Championship off Carmel -near Monterey. The water was not clear until 30 ft down and then it was crystal clear-but no light because of the dirty water above. I shot a ling cod at 60 ft but the line was tangled around a rock. After working unsuccessfully I knew I was in trouble. I left the gun and fish and started up knowing was totally spent and out of air. When I reached the surface I could sense my legs becoming numb and the numbness rising up to my waist. I had tunnel vision and knew I was about to “black out”. When that happens your body does what it wants which is to breath and if you do that underwater you breath water and you then sink. Another diver near by-and a competitor-knew I was in trouble and came over to hold me until I came out of it. The article I posted by Terry Maas ( a friend) is very illustrative of the dangers of “shallow water blackout”.
Bottom line-this is not “snorkeling”. A present problem we have is younger divers who push the limits and we are seeing more and more drownings.
waterfieldParticipantWe are different than the video. Those guys are very strange. No fins, no masks, and they can go as deep as 300 ft. Years ago when we were in shape and free diving in spearfishing tournaments we often dove 70-100 ft while hunting (no SCUBA). Today its more like we float around on top of the water and if we don’t see anything we get back in the boat and drink wine.
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March 25, 2020 at 1:20 am in reply to: The historical record for capitalism is utterly appalling. #112919waterfieldParticipantPS — I always have at least one Political Book I’m reading, cuz thats my ‘core’. I’m ‘political’ at my core.
But the political books almost always infuriate me. I walk around in a quiet Fury for big parts of the day. And if i read the internet and read about Dems, Reps, Trump, Biden — all the swamp-dwellers — it makes me furious.
So, much of my day is devoted to resisting that fury-feeling.
I find i have to have non-political books, dvds, nature-walks, etc.
If I dont, I walk around like Alex-Jones er somethin.So I’m reading about Free-Diving and Whales right now. Keeps me sane, in the Madhouse.
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“The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven”
John Milton, Paradise Lost“Free diving” huh? I knew we were friends when it is all said and done. I’ve been involved in that sport since I was 13 yrs old when we won the Pacific Coast Junior Spearfishing Championship in Laguna Beach, Ca. Basically, you are in the ocean for 4 hrs and diving by holding your breath. You are armed with a spear gun and the contest is over which “club” ( In our case “Sea Cubs”) can spear the most fish-which are donated to various charities. Still doing it too -albeit not competing-just not making 60-90 ft free dives anymore. More like floating around waiting for a tuna to swim by-then holding on for dear life by a lifeguard buoy. Afterwards, get in the boat and drink wine. Most trips-no fish-just drinking wine. For youngsters who take chances -your reading will likely speak to “shallow water blackouts”-a very dangerous condition that has resulted in many a “free diver’ drowning.
waterfieldParticipantUn-fricken-believable.
First off, as you guys know, this pandemic impacts all ages. The first reports that it was just us old fogies at risk have been debunked.
There is no “grandparents sacrifice themselves for the good of capitalism” possibility. Nor should there be. Obviously, the two psychopaths on display there are really saying, Fuck the poor, fuck the working class, fuck even the middle class, let’s get back to work fluffing up rich people again [cuz we’re rich and we depend of workers to stay rich].
Trump said yesterday that he wants to end social distancing policies in two weeks — against advice from medical professionals worldwide, even in his own administration. And to make it all the worse, he wants us all to feel sorry for him for his own supposed massive sacrifices . . . whining that no one thanked him for not taking a salary, and whining even more how he supposedly lost billions to run for the presidency . . . This in the middle of a presser on the pandemic . . . This in the midst of questions regarding the national response to the pandemic.
He knew about all of this back in January and did nothing. Hid it from Americans to the extent possible. And now he’s so worried about his own finances and his own chance for reelection, that he wants us to work ourselves to death on behalf of capitalism and capitalists, regardless of how many die.
Worst. President. Evah. And given our history, that’s saying something.
Agree with every single word you wrote.
waterfieldParticipantI just feel bad for Sanders because he so depended on the youngsters and they utterly failed him.
W…c’mon, man, lol, you’re happy about it. A lot of his policies bother you. That’s an apparent running theme in political discussions here.
In terms of this primary, I think mostly about the way the DNC shut down polling stations to dilute the vote. Including btw in big college towns.
Happy for the result but not happy for the man. He’s solid but he was let down by those who he counted on. I could easily have voted for him if it were not for the idiot President we have. I’m not so against his “policies” as you say. What I’ve always thought about those policies is that they would simply usher in another four years of the idiot. Right or wrong I genuinely believe Biden has a far better chance of beating Trump. And IMO Trump is too dangerous to take a chance on Sanders. It’s just that simple for me. But my concern in this post is the irresponsibility depicted in the photo and my suspicion that this was part of what may have caused Sanders slide-at least in the voting booths.
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waterfieldParticipantShe’s also in trouble in her district.
Yes she is in trouble. Too bad. She’s a good one.
waterfieldParticipantI would not be surprised if there was not. Which in my cynical mind explains why the Rams have seemingly stripped their team of players.
waterfieldParticipantWell i cant argue that there is an ‘ignorance problem’ and
a ‘selfishness problem’ in America.
I’m not sure its worse in young people. Maybe.Many people have pointed out this kind of thing (like a Hurricane or Flood, etc) brings out the best in some folks and the worst in some folks, for various reasons.
I think things go better when theres a “sense of community” among people in an area. My neighborhood, for example has a strong sense of community. People are falling all over themselves to be helpful.
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vI agree with all that. I live in a small cul de sac and we have started a 5:pm happy hour where we all sit in our driveways and talk-and of course sip with are favorite beverage. Our dogs are out playing together. We never did that before.
I just feel bad for Sanders because he so depended on the youngsters and they utterly failed him.
waterfieldParticipantWhile I’m of the “older” folks (80) I’m in good health. Barb and I are hunkered down at home with our 9 yr old Springer. Only activity is taking her for walks in a park or the beach (the Springer). My real concern is for my son who seems to be taking all this in a very caviler manner. He’s in his 60s and his immune system has been compromised due to the immunotherapy treatment he’s been through for two battles of melanoma. He’s a lawyer in Sacramento and his office has not closed down so he works every day. On the weekends he’s been working as a ski instructor in the local Sierras -but they just closed down-ironically since they now have the best snow of the year-and no one is there ! Anyway, that’s our main worry now because he’s just exhausted with that schedule. As a side note-we were supposed to go to China at the beginning of this month so we stocked up on masks. When everything was cancelled we are now giving away the masks to local health care facilities. We don’t need them-we’re not going anywhere.
waterfieldParticipantIMO unless and until they get a solid running attack they will be forced to depend on Goff. I suspect Gurley is gone by this Friday and that leaves Henderson and Brown. Defensively they have lost a lot in FA. It was a perfect storm created by the financial commitments to Gurley, AD, Goff and the issues with Gurley’s knee along with a poor OL. Hopefully, this all can be corrected by the start of this year-assuming there will be a start-otherwise it will take another season or two.
waterfieldParticipantNo-the candidate is NOT against everyone in this country having health care-as your post implies. He is against a government controlled medicare for all program because of its inability to become close to being the law-given the reluctance of the public to lose their private insurance and a fear of the government controlling their health issues. Few would argue that healthcare is a right and everyone should have equal access to it. What the candidate sees as a clearer and easier path to this is to build on the ACA so that all people-no matter their economic status-have access to the health care of their choice. As such, your description of the candidate as being against this principal is patently false.
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waterfieldParticipantOh, by the way, the man who is against National Health Care, continues to beat the man who is for National Health Care. Meanwhile a majority of the actual voters SAY they support National Health Care. Its a Madhouse.
Election Results:https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20200317-primaries/
No-he is NOT against everyone having health care-as your headline implies. What he’s against is a total government control of healthcare-medicare for all. He does not believe that would ever pass given the public’s reluctance to lose whatever private insurance they now have and their distrust of a government controlled management of their health. What he wants is to build on the ACA so that
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people can obtain needed health care from whatever options they choose. We may well be in a madhouse but your description of the candidates position is patently false.
waterfieldParticipantI dunno. I dunno anything anymore.
…..Bernie Sanders is a rare man in politics, and he is the kind of politician literally everybody says they ideally want: honest and dependable. The fact that this man – who has spent his entire life fighting on behalf of poor and marginalized people – has been smeared for 4 years by the Democrat establishment as a sexist threat to democracy, tells you everything you need to know about how much the Democrat party actually cares about ordinary people.
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You really think Biden is a lesser candidate than Hillary? I dont agree on that. From what I’ve heard (on Fox news 🙂 ) Hillary’s ‘negatives’ are WAY higher than Bidens. Biden is just this ‘bland’ drab, boring, typical Dem. Like John Kerry, Al Gore, Dukakis.
BUT, he worked with/for OBAMA. And he doesnt have the big negatives Hillary had.
Centrists, conservative-professional-moderate-Reps, and Dems are not gonna care that he’s senile. They dont care. They just want the National-Security-Ship-Of-State to run smoothly. A senile President can do that just fine. (Think Radar and Colonel Blake)It all comes down to Progressives. If they hold their noses and vote for that lowlife CIA-loving, pro-corporate, imperialist, murderous, shitbag – Joe Biden will be the next President.
And btw, I jus wanna make it clear that i TOTALLY respect the view that progressives should or will vote for the lesser evil, and thus vote for the murderous imperialist Joe Biden. Its a perfectly reasonable decision. Chomsky has talked endlessly about it over the years. I’ve done it myself in the past.
For me personally, though, there came a time i just decided i wont do it anymore.
Its got nothing to do with WV being a Red-State or any other ‘calculation’ like that. Its hard to explain. Its a conscience thing. Coupled with a recognition of what the system is. Frankly I may not even vote at all the rest of my life. I havent decided on that. I lean toward voting Green, but i may not vote anymore.
…my vote has moved to Thailand, perhaps 🙂PS — this virus could put the nation in a bad mood. Not good for Trump.
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vYou know WV-I consider you an internet friend. You may not feel the same. I can’t help that. In any event you just called Joe Biden a “murderous imperialist”. You also called him a “shitbag”.In another post above you called him a “mass murderer”. That type of vitriol is precisely why many cannot take seriously the supporters of Sanders and are in fact put off by it. It certainly does not do anything for the advancement of the ideas expressed by Sanders. What’s also concerning is that over the years your attacks have almost always been against democrats. I have not read a negative word from you about Trump-the worst President in the hx of this nation. Every post of yours contains the word “corporatocracy” but not one word about Trump who is doing insurmountable damage to our judicial system-an arena we both work in. Nothing about how he is dismantling medicaid -a health safety net for the poor. Nothing about his desire to get rid of medicare. Nothing about his racist and mysogynistic views. Simply put, nothing about the man who has disdain for the less fortunate. Corporations will always be here but the evils of corporatocracy will only enlarge with this man should he have another 4 years of executive decisions. Anyway, I wish your arrows could sometimes be pointed in another direction.
waterfieldParticipantI do believe Sanders would beat Trump and all the polls back it.
For a thousand reasons, I don’t think Biden has ANY chance of beating Trump.
My only response to that is in the last primaries, including Super Tuesday, and most recently, last week, including the state that gave Trump the Presidency-Michigan-the voters overwhelmingly disagreed with you and apparently the polls you referenced. Why?
And why-if you are so SURE Sanders would be the one who could beat Trump- would Yang, Bloomberg, Amy, Pete, Tim, all endorse Biden? And why would Warren not endorse Sanders ?
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waterfieldParticipantI do believe Sanders would beat Trump and all the polls back it.
For a thousand reasons, I don’t think Biden has ANY chance of beating Trump.
My only response to that is in the last primaries, including Super Tuesday, and most recently, last week, including the state that gave Trump the Presidency-Michigan-the voters overwhelmingly disagreed with you and apparently the polls you referenced. Why?
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waterfieldParticipantWe know whats hurting Bernie. Bernie didnt work for an African-American President.
I didn’t vote for Biden because he worked for Obama. If I was black I would find your comment highly offensive. Not just because it is clearly racist but it also smacks of the very elitism that so many of us find discomforting with the far left. You discount black men and women who might just believe Trump can only be beaten by Biden; that Biden might be able to usher in a democratic controlled Senate; that Biden might be better for the country on issues that we all face. It doesn’t matter whether or not blacks are correct in their views. What matters is that whether you know it or not African Americans actually have VIEWS and OPINIONS. Whites do not have a monopoly on the ability to think. If you want to know what bothers most people about so called “progressives” just re-read the above quote. Its repugnant.
waterfieldParticipantW as put that’s a false narrative. And we already know it is. It may be the line being pushed by mainstream media, which I bet is probably where you got this, but it’s false. (Surprise, imagine mainstream media misinforming people.)
I have a sincere question. You may believe the answer is so obvious that what you wrote above is redundant. To me it is not so obvious. In fact my question is this: You clearly believe the main stream media is intentionally misinforming the public. My question is why ? The easy answer is “well-they are owned by huge corporations”. But CBS, NBC have always been owned by enormous corporations. Do you believe Walter Cronkite (CBS) intentionally misinformed the public in reporting the news; what about Chet Huntley (NBC) or David Brinkley (NBC) or Edward R Murrow ? Fox news is a different animal in that it it is part of Fox 21st Century a corporation owned and controlled by the Murdoch family. The “WHY” can be explained by Murdoch but I still don’t understand the “WHY” when it comes to ABC, NBC, CBS-which is my idea of main stream media.
waterfieldParticipantZooey: This thing is nowhere being over. All yesterday did was show the likelihood that neither candidate will have enough pledged delegates to decide on the 1st ballot at the convention. Thus we have a brokered convention and all delegates are free from their pledges, after the initial ballot-Unfortunately that will -I believe-include the dreaded super delegates. What the democrats need to do is to avoid the super delegates from deciding the nomination-something that would cast suspicion on the electoral much like the Clinton nomination in 2016. In order to do that those previously pledged delegates-now free-must get together to push one candidate over the top so as to avoid the super delegate issue. Yes there will be “negotiations” at that point-something that is always in play.
Given what you wrote above I assume if Biden is the nominee you will vote for him in the race against Trump. Just so you know if Sanders is the nominee I will vote for him and even work on his behalf.
Black, black, black Wednesday. Black day for poor people. Black day for Polar Bears. Black day for poor and sick people, with no health care. Black day for people who care about Peace and Justice.
Well, i wouldnt vote for Biden if you put a gun to my head. I’ll be voting Green again. Yall, do what feels right to you. I will never do the ‘lesser evil’ thing again. Too late in the game for me to do that. Just wouldnt feel right, voting for a Biosphere-Killer. Its all symbolic at this point, but I dont want my name on a ballot voting for a Killer.
And thankyou California. How did THEY not get all dummed-down? How did ‘that’ happen?
Oh, and Fuck the South.
Carry on,
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vA black day for people who care about Peace and Justice? All those who voted for Biden don’t care about those issues ? I don’t care about those issues ? My wife doesn’t care ? My friends don’t care? Just plain silliness. All you are saying is that if one doesn’t agree with you they are of a lesser sort. Moreover, what you are saying above is that in your mind anyone running who is not a “progressive” is far worse than Trump and does not give a rat’s ass about “Peace and Justice”. Go ahead-vote green if you must- make a statement.
waterfieldParticipantZooey: This thing is nowhere being over. All yesterday did was show the likelihood that neither candidate will have enough pledged delegates to decide on the 1st ballot at the convention. Thus we have a brokered convention and all delegates are free from their pledges, after the initial ballot-Unfortunately that will -I believe-include the dreaded super delegates. What the democrats need to do is to avoid the super delegates from deciding the nomination-something that would cast suspicion on the electoral much like the Clinton nomination in 2016. In order to do that those previously pledged delegates-now free-must get together to push one candidate over the top so as to avoid the super delegate issue. Yes there will be “negotiations” at that point-something that is always in play.
Given what you wrote above I assume if Biden is the nominee you will vote for him in the race against Trump. Just so you know if Sanders is the nominee I will vote for him and even work on his behalf.
waterfieldParticipantWell, I’m in despair.
I really think we have a pretty awesome planet here, and I am sorry to see it destroyed by greedy sociopaths.
I have no confidence that Biden can beat Trump. He looks muddled and lost from time-to-time. And his primary draw seems to be he isn’t Trump. That’s what the Democrat establishment is running on. Not Trump. And that’s important, but I also think it’s not enough.
And if Biden loses, the courts are gone. And if the courts are gone, they will formally disenfranchise minorities from voting in a variety of ways, and we won’t be able to regain the government through the ballot box. And they will move to voting machines that produce whatever numbers they want anyway. They’ve already undermined confidence in polls, so people won’t really have any idea what’s going on anymore, and…we’re dead. So…you know…placing hopes of averting that on Joe Biden does make me sad. That’s it. Joe Biden. He’s the people’s Last Champion. A man in mental decline who is Not Trump.
Zooey: This thing is nowhere being over. All yesterday did was show the likelihood that neither candidate will have enough pledged delegates to decide on the 1st ballot at the convention. Thus we have a brokered convention and all delegates are free from their pledges, after the initial ballot-Unfortunately that will -I believe-include the dreaded super delegates. What the democrats need to do is to avoid the super delegates from deciding the nomination-something that would cast suspicion on the electoral much like the Clinton nomination in 2016. In order to do that those previously pledged delegates-now free-must get together to push one candidate over the top so as to avoid the super delegate issue. Yes there will be “negotiations” at that point-something that is always in play.
Given what you wrote above I assume if Biden is the nominee you will vote for him in the race against Trump. Just so you know if Sanders is the nominee I will vote for him and even work on his behalf.
Not exactly Henry V.Yippee.
waterfieldParticipantIMO Sanders would have lost significantly.
And all you have on that is your own opinion, which tends to see it that way regardless.
The actual polling shows that Sanders always had a better chance of beating Trump. We were saying that here at the time.
Well everyone is on the “opinion” page. You, me, everyone. You have no moral superiority in your opinions and neither do I. And people answer poll questions depending on how questions are asked. There’s a little psychology in answering what we think we “should” say. But the voting booth is an entirely different animal. The polls showed Clinton easily beating Trump. If the polling showed Sanders had a better chance of beating Trump why did those voting for Biden yesterday say it was because they viewed him as a “better chance of beating Trump”. Polls are not votes.
waterfieldParticipantI think its best for all to avoid the “if I can’t have it my way I’m going to take my ball and go home”.
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Did you ever once, denounce what the DNC did to Bernie in 2016? The cheating?
I’m just curious. They have a history of cheating. You know that, right?w
vYes-as the article points out there was significant power plays by the DNC elites. But cheating or stealing-no way-it was up and up. Besides Clinton won the overall plurality against Trump who IMO would have lost significantly regardless of the electoral college. Please keep in mind compromises have always been a part of our “democracy”. Personally, I love smoke filled rooms where “deals” are made and stuff gets done. This tends to eliminate ideology purists who never seem to accomplish anything. Lincoln is the perfect example: He was never a strict abolitionist in contrast to many of his Republican elites. However, his focus was on preserving the Union and so he made compromises with the south that we still live with whereas who knows what would have happened to this country had he listened to the Republican strict abolitionists.
I do not want to see the HOR go back to the Republicans. I do not want to see Mitch Mcconnll more empowered. I do not want to see our environment destroyed. On and On. If it takes smoke filled rooms in the back of a steakhouse with martinis I’m all for it. Fuck ideology.
waterfieldParticipantI think its best for all to avoid the “if I can’t have it my way I’m going to take my ball and go home”.
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Did you ever once, denounce what the DNC did to Bernie in 2016? The cheating?
I’m just curious. They have a history of cheating. You know that, right?w
vI have never thought it was cheating. Was power in play-yes. Always has been -going back to Lincoln. Clinton won the plurality in her race against Trump. IMO Sanders would have lost significantly.
“The 2016 Democratic primary wasn’t rigged by the DNC, and it certainly wasn’t rigged against Sanders. But Democratic elites did try to make Clinton’s nomination as inevitable, as preordained, as possible. And the party is still managing the resentment that engendered in voters. Once somebody doesn’t trust you, it’s very hard to get that trust back.”
Personally, I’m all for smoke filled rooms with deals being made. Tends to eliminate ideology purists who are not likely to get anything accomplished. Lincoln is an example. He was not a total abolitionist like many of his Republican colleagues. But rather than focus on that one issue after the war he made compromises with the south in order to preserve the Union.
waterfieldParticipantThis is like the day before a Ram Playoff game,
against Dallas.
At Dallas.I know i shouldnt get my hopes up. I mean this is the Amerikan public we are counting on. The amerikan fucking public.
I’d sooner count on an electorate made up of Orcs and Zombies.
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vyes, Tejas is the pivotal state of Super Tuesday….. btw The Rams are 3-2 in playoff games vs the Cowboys in Dallas……..
fucking Amy K and Mayor Pete are full of shit…..
And Beto too I suppose. In fact I guess everyone not aligned with the “progressives” are full of shit. Maybe everyone is full of shit. Then again maybe none are and are simply people who want the best for their country and have different ideas on how to get there. I think its best for all to avoid the “if I can’t have it my way I’m going to take my ball and go home”.
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