zn wrote:

LOL.. you are yet again making shit up.

Lying to my face?

Lol. Time to delete this whole conversation.

Remember to check your pm.

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wait before you do.. I thought we were going to get to the part where you accused X of reading peoples PMs..

zn wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>PhxRam wrote:</div>
fair enough..

So I am now going to assume that is fair game to post all PMs and Emails because you failed to answer that question 3 times.

You seem to have enough time to talk tonight after weeks of saying you didn’t.

Hey my fault.. Let me tell my wife and 19 mo old daughter that we shouldnt go on vacations or go out of town any longer. My APOLOGIES for not devoting all my free time to this internet forum and instead chose to spend time with my family.

My bad.

zn wrote:

My work is done.

No it isn’t apparently. It got edited somehow.

no worries.. we have copies

• This reply was modified 10 years, 4 months ago by PhxRam.

If it is really killing you to get an answer from me, read the post from X again. The answer is right in front of your face.

zn wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>PhxRam wrote:</div>
There was ONE single reference to PM in that message..

“The “inconvenience” that I caused you for all of one day was for all of your lectures via PM for the things I posted and the way I posted them”

You are making some very serious accusations about a guy who simply said he was lectured by YOU to HIM via PM.

First, you evading the question. We can get to X in the course of the conversation. I will be happy to do that.

Am I just to take evasion as “yes”?

You knew I was blocked from the buzz…either before I emailed you or after or at least before this conversation.

You knew I was blocked from ROD several weeks back.

Another evasion and I will just assume a “yes.”

LOL.. you want to talk evasion?

You just accused a guy of reading mod PMs and when I called you out on it because you misread we are just to forget about it?

Lets start from the top.

You accused me of blocking you from some sites and you were proven wrong
You accused X of reading Pms and shown to be wrong

Are you just going to continue to throw shit until something sticks?

zn wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>PhxRam wrote:</div>
I DIDNT BLOCK YOU FROM ANYTHING.

Do I condone the actions by X? Your damn right I do.

I didn’t ban him. RM did.

Did you know I was blocked? You already say you condone it, which is half of the story. (See saying YOU personally didn’t do it is simply an evasion when the question is whether you knew about it. Assuming that’s even true and it actually happened the way X said.)

For that matter, did you know about it the first time it happened, when I was just blocked from ROD (that was about the time when you bought ROD, the buzz went down with a virus soon after, and then came back up minus many features, including the Rieker donations, and when I asked about them, your response was to say you could just take the board down. I was blocked from ROD round about then.)

And my question to you was not if X is in on all of your sites, the question is whether you informed me, your partner, that he was not only an admin but was reading PMs and according to him blocking people. You think you should have been trusted implicitly…but did I really know how the buzz worked if an outside party was reading mod PMs, later to talk about them in public. Don’t be so defensive…this one is a minor issue.

You keep raising the level of provocations, including trying to get in a dig at me when you apologized to all the posters whose site you blew up. So you didn’t really take responsibility for anything. It was sort of “I am sorry and it’s his fault.” And now to the name-calling we’re not supposed to do because it’s so wrong.

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Where do you come up with this shit? Now X was reading PMs?

You ever answer questions or is every discussion always about you asking the questions and everyone is supposed to respond accordingly.

And BTW..unlike you, I HAVE apologized to some members directly via PM.

Should I hold my breath waiting for an apology?

zn wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>PhxRam wrote:</div>
So I am supposed to temper my frustration while your frustration goes unchecked.. Am I reading that right?

No lol you;re not reading that right. You got frustrated at one word. I got frustrated at an hours long process where I was blocked from the 2 sites you own…AND had been blocked before.

Now if you had said calm down, let’s figure it out, and I still went off? Then you might have a point.

My frustration came from a long drawn out process where I couldn’t do my job. And that’s with a guy who had not communicated for a long time, and once when I asked about minor issues with the board, openly threatened to take it offline. (Whereupon for the sake of the community I just went okay nevermind.) Plus of course I had been blocked at ROD before (and still don’t know why and for that matter still don’t know why I was UNblocked.)

Yours came from a word you thought was loaded with all this disrespect (it wasn’t) and you blew up an entire site over it.

The simpler thing, if you hadn’t blocked me, was just to go “calm down we’ll fix it.” You didn’t have to go nuclear on it.

Heck even if you went nuke it should have just been to me. The board never did anything. I was just frustrated cause I couldn’t work on it.

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“My frustration came from a long drawn out process where I couldn’t do my job”

Really one day was a long drawn out process when I told you the next day I was out of town?

“Now if you had said calm down, let’s figure it out, and I still went off? Then you might have a point.”

You didnt give me but ONE DAY to respond to you.

“Heck even if you went nuke it should have just been to me. The board never did anything. I was just frustrated cause I couldn’t work on it.”

We both know how this would have played out. You would have gone around claiming that yet once again you have been wronged by yet another message board and you were misunderstood.

Out of curiousity how many message boards have you been banned from?

zn wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>PhxRam wrote:</div>
you give me the time to look into the matter and not go on like a raving lunatic when I dont respond fast enough.

I actually would have given 5 minutes of my time to see what the problem was if you didnt come out of the gate making accusations.

See, if it were me, and you said I’ve been blocked all day, and I HADN’T blocked you, I would have just said calm down let’s figure it out. No matter how you put it. I would get the frustration.

I would also see that you believed I was blocking you because of some issue I had I wasn’t communicating about. If that were true I would have raised the issue. If it weren’t true I would have said no there’s no issue, just calm down and give me time to work on it.

And if you can’t handle frustrations like that then you should just stick to being a tech, frankly. I mean for goodness sake, what is someone who is blocked at the 2 sites you own GOING to think?

Or if I DID lose my temper at “accusations,” and thought you were messing up as a mod anyway, I would have banned you and then given the rest of the site notice it was going down. But then I probably wouldn’t have lost my temper. I would have no reason to take the insults personally…here was this guy who thought I had blocked him, I could have ended the whole situation just by saying yeah yeah calm down let’s fix it.

Again, there is no hypothetical opposite situation where I WOULD HAVE blocked you. If I had issues I would have raised them. I would have hoped that would have gone well but I would give it a chance, anyway.

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You just dont get it.. It is not always about YOU. YOU keep telling me if it was YOU, but guess what it wasnt YOU. What YOU would have done is irrelevant to what I did.

zn wrote:

I provided a FREE service to everyone but for one particular individual it wasnt enough.

I have no idea what that means. Not being contentious…I honestly have no idea what that means. I asked you why I was blocked at 2 sites. I still have no idea why I was blocked at 2 sites. Why is asking not to be blocked at the site I moderate and help keep active asking for more than what was there? I just wanted what was already there…not to be blocked and to do my job.

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that response was not to you.. Please dont muddy the waters and get involved with my communication to other members.

Eternal Ramnation wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>PhxRam wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Eternal Ramnation wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>PhxRam wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Eternal Ramnation wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Alan wrote:</div>
wv telling only a small part of the story:
What’s the long story of its demise?
The short story is that X sold the ROD board to “Oz”
and OZ, who also ‘owned’ the Buzz-board, simply…blew it up.
Without giving anyone notice. Just zapped it, and left
this group without their favorite board.

Simply unethical behavior by Oz. No other word for it.

And now apparently the link to the Buzz board leads to — the ROD board.

I’m still kinda speechless.

He had every ‘right’ to blow up the board, but just because
you have the right to do something, doesn’t mean its the right thing to do.
He should have given people notice. There’s no justification or defense
for doing it the way he did it. It was low-down.

That would be a gross misrepresentation of the the facts wv. Anybody who would like the real story should ask PhxRam at the ROD. I know the real story but it’s not my place to tell it.

Alan

<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>The most important is getting everyone home having said that the fact is we were given zero warning there is no arguing that and that is the only fact wv states as such . There is a reason this board has stayed together across 3 decades (90′s 2000′s and 2010′s) while while other boards rise and fall.wv’s whole point was we shouldn’t have to go join another board and ask why they blew up ours.Linking the old url to ROD where there is no mention of the buzz well it’s not defendable</span>

you got a problem with the way things were handled ask ME.

<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”> First thanks for building the Buzz, loved that board. Why take it down with no notice? Why link ROD to the Buzz’s old URL ?It’s not a problem anymore so it’s not worth a bunch of negative energy but if you have a legit reason I’d like to hear it. Personally I think the guys over there are better off over there and we’re better off here no disrespect just the way it is as I see it. If it was a heat of the moment thing yeah I can understand that too but once you cooled down a notice post something would have been better than just silence.</span>

Out of curiousity.. would you make false allegations and call the person that feeds you a dick without some repercussion? Mind you this is coming from someone who just admitted he needed help posting a youtube video. Now he is a internet guru and throws around a few buzz words like Ip address?

<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>If you’re asking if I treated someone poorly would I expect retaliation ? Certainly but , why take it out on everyone ? I mean that seems like an over reaction to me. I mean I can see the reasoning ” I’m being called a dick at least I’m gonna have the fun of being a dick” or “I’ll show him what a dick would do” I can understand that but , I didn’t do anything and I am unaware of anyone else on the Buzz being involved. So it seems to me like personal disagreement between you and zn in which many good people were affected for no good reason. In any case it’s not a big deal at this point we’ve been through worse.</span>

You are correct. I owe every member here a direct apology for being caught in the crossfire. I provided a FREE service to everyone but for one particular individual it wasnt enough.

For that I apologize.

zn wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>PhxRam wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>zn wrote:</div>

SO YOU AGREE EVERYTHING IS FAIR GAME?

What I posted are the only exchanges on the 28th.

If you had issues that went to long before that, why in the heck didn’t you say anything? (?)

The last time we had a PM exchange was months ago, in which I thanked you for removing my name from negative exchanges on ROD, and also asked you if those guys lobby you against the buzz board. That led to no answer which was fine. I let it go. I just figured you were an absentee owner and carried on business as usual.

The site went down another time when you changed aspects of it (without notice), and you failed to finish it, and at the time I got upset because it was incomplete. You said my bad so I said everything was fine.

Before that, the site went down after you bought ROD, and you rebuilt it (minus many features, which is fine), but with some things missing…I asked about them and you basically said you could just take the site down. So I just said alright let it go.

Those exchanges taught me that I shouldn’t ask you for things but that mostly we were just going to be allowed to exist. Thats’ what I thought.

Though you did block me from ROD months ago (or weeks ago?) and I never figured out why. I let that go.

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I am asking you to address the original question. Your other questions/concerns will be answered in due time.

So you agree everything is fair game?

I am going to give you ONE opportunity to let everyone here know that you are partially to blame for the demise of the buzz board

To be honest, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

As I said, if you had issues with me, you should have raised them long before the 28th. Communicated.

Because the issue is NOT taking the board down. You had a right to do that and I never said otherwise. The issue is HOW you took it down–which is without notice, without a legit re-direct, and by basically depriving an entire community when (basically, if I am following you) you had an issue (which I knew nothing about) with one poster.

And you are not in charge in this discussion. This is an exchange. Be fair and treat as such. I put up an agreement to be civil cause it’s the right thing to do.

and for the third time..

I have agreed to your terms..

Is EVERYTHING fair game here?

• This reply was modified 10 years, 4 months ago by PhxRam.

zn wrote:

SO YOU AGREE EVERYTHING IS FAIR GAME?

What I posted are the only exchanges on the 28th.

If you had issues that went to long before that, why in the heck didn’t you say anything? (?)

The last time we had a PM exchange was months ago, in which I thanked you for removing my name from negative exchanges on ROD, and also asked you if those guys lobby you against the buzz board. That led to no answer which was fine. I let it go. I just figured you were an absentee owner and carried on business as usual.

The site went down another time when you changed aspects of it (without notice), and you failed to finish it, and at the time I got upset because it was incomplete. You said my bad so I said everything was fine.

Before that, the site went down after you bought ROD, and you rebuilt it (minus many features, which is fine), but with some things missing…I asked about them and you basically said you could just take the site down. So I just said alright let it go.

Those exchanges taught me that I shouldn’t ask you for things but that mostly we were just going to be allowed to exist. Thats’ what I thought.

Though you did block me from ROD months ago (or weeks ago?) and I never figured out why. I let that go.

.

I am asking you to address the original question. Your other questions/concerns will be answered in due time.

So you agree everything is fair game?

I am going to give you ONE opportunity to let everyone here know that you are partially to blame for the demise of the buzz board

so you agree EVERYTHING IS FAIR GAME?

Eternal Ramnation wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Alan wrote:</div>
wv telling only a small part of the story:
What’s the long story of its demise?
The short story is that X sold the ROD board to “Oz”
and OZ, who also ‘owned’ the Buzz-board, simply…blew it up.
Without giving anyone notice. Just zapped it, and left
this group without their favorite board.

Simply unethical behavior by Oz. No other word for it.

And now apparently the link to the Buzz board leads to — the ROD board.

I’m still kinda speechless.

He had every ‘right’ to blow up the board, but just because
you have the right to do something, doesn’t mean its the right thing to do.
He should have given people notice. There’s no justification or defense
for doing it the way he did it. It was low-down.

That would be a gross misrepresentation of the the facts wv. Anybody who would like the real story should ask PhxRam at the ROD. I know the real story but it’s not my place to tell it.

Alan

<span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>The most important is getting everyone home having said that the fact is we were given zero warning there is no arguing that and that is the only fact wv states as such . There is a reason this board has stayed together across 3 decades (90′s 2000′s and 2010′s) while while other boards rise and fall.wv’s whole point was we shouldn’t have to go join another board and ask why they blew up ours.Linking the old url to ROD where there is no mention of the buzz well it’s not defendable</span>

you got a problem with the way things were handled ask ME.