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should be.
We were less than 50 yds from it when it happened. It looked GRUESOME. I didn’t want to watch it on the jumbotron, but I did. I thought we lost him for the year. Bucs fans around us patted me on the shoulder and actually commiserated with me. “First Bradford and now Austin. It’s not right”
Stuff like that. So, only two games or really more like 1 game with the bye? Yeah, I’ll take that.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
MackeyserModeratorTo reinforce this point, let’s not forget that Fisher’s NORM is to NOT play rookies. He has a history of sitting even highly touted rookies. He had several years where no rookies started for his teams in Tennessee. At least not at first. He really prefers to “learn ’em up”
Now that the Roster is more laden with talent, I’m not surprised that he’s reticent to start a more raw rookie like Robinson. He’s going to be a beast. Why hamper his ceiling development by early play?
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MackeyserModeratorOkay… Lemme get into this a little bit.
As others have noticed, teams are game planning around our DL. What we need to do is counter their counter… (insert My Cousin Vinny reference here…hahaha)
GW’s defenses are meant to get pressure and take chances. Unfortunately, teams are trying to beat us with a very vanilla game plan. The first game was a bit of an anomaly, but both games showed us a lot of the same in that respect.
However, our DL is getting closer. Also, what you are missing is that we are getting more TFLs on running plays each week. Each week, we’re improving on shutting down those gaps and ATTACKING the run.
REMEMBER, any new system takes TIME to implement. GWs defense IS new to this defense and they are doing a pretty good job of getting into it.
The Cowboys will be a big test as DeMarco Murray leads the league thus far in rushing. Now, the Rams stuffed Peterson for only 85 yards and the Cowboys don’t have anything like Patterson. So, we’ll see…
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MackeyserModerator2nded
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MackeyserModeratorMaybe not to Jets and Pats fans… but in general, I think so.
I’d have to ask others. I know the folks who saw the Rams v Miami in preseason had a good time. Didn’t hear anything bad.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
MackeyserModeratorPretty sure that won’t be a might unless Britt comes on super strong and the balls are distributed among Quick, Britt and Bailey
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
MackeyserModeratorIt won’t be that bad. He should be fine.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
MackeyserModeratorWell, Bailey’s needed because…Bailey’s needed. Even if Austin’s 100%.
But, yeah. Conrath will likely end up back on the PS.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
MackeyserModeratorFun. Tampa fans are very cordial. Maybe it helped that I had my Native Navy Veteran hat on, but not one fan talked smak to me or really any of the whole crew other than a passing barb which was all in good fun. Like someone driving by who’d shout, “Go Bucs!”
When we were in our seats, a couple came in to sit next to us. The lady had a beverage and one of those molded paper trays with food. She didn’t have an extra hand to put the seat down. So I stood up and held her tray while she negotiated getting situated. And we talked cordially about the upcoming game. Couple of Bucs fans in Bucs gear (one in the baby aspirin orange throwback gear) sat on our left and we started talking to them.
Was a great, great time. We mostly agreed on just about everything. If the Bucs did something well, they cheered, if the Rams did something well, we cheered. There wasn’t any smak or that stuff and no one was drunk (or an angry drunk, anyway), so it was a fun time had by all.
Even leaving the stadium, it was very chill. The Bucs fans were upset, but not despondent. I’ve heard horror stories about other stadiums where if a team loses, the opposing fans have to run a gauntlet, have food and beer thrown on them (and worse), and all that stuff.
In that respect, we were lucky. Tampa fans are some of the best fans around with respect to being respectful to opposing fans. And I really, REALLY give them credit for that.
Oh, and I got a Derrick Brooks bobble head because they retired his number and put his name on the Ring of Honor next to Sapp’s. Brooks is one of my favorite players from that era, so…bonus.
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MackeyserModeratorTJ McDonald is playing like a man right now. When he hits guys, he brings it.
I said it to a Tampa fan sitting next to me, “TJ McDonald won that game for us, right there” and he agreed. In pregame, their kicker was easily kicking 50 yarders, so a 49 yard FG was very possible. Laying that kind of wood as well as blocking those kicks…
Well, that’s called showing up.
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September 12, 2014 at 10:06 pm in reply to: SF Niners play-by-play guy suspended for 2 games for Rice comments….. #7049MackeyserModeratorMackeyser wrote:
GRITS… I would implore you and everyone to watch this. The comments by that announcer calling Janay Palmer still marrying Ray Rice as pathetic…twice… were outrageous. This is that TEDtalk and it’s about the most accessible way I can think to get guys to understand about domestic violence, especially *why victims of domestic violence stay*. When invoking any amendment, especially the 1st amendment, we must remember that no right is absolute and that context matters. I believe the apology of the announcer who understands that words matter and how his role is one that represents an organization, thus on air, he’s representing an organization.Free speech is important. It also doesn’t happen in a vacuum. And the reactions and over-reactions in the public sphere to some incidents can be tiresome. I get that.
However, for issues which have been grossly, grossly underrepresented in the national conversation for…ever, it’s important to allow all reactions including what some consider to be over-reactions to be part of the conversation because these issues like race and domestic violence are like the desert and each voice is like a droplet of water. In such an arid climate, we need every drop. Each is important. As well, once the conversation begins, it’s important to understand that if we do learn, the very nature of the conversation will change us and inform us that certain parts of the conversation are no longer appropriate. Language matters. Thus while we’ve seen *some* progress in the conversation on race since the 50s, there’s been very little progress since then about domestic violence. We barely have the language constructs to describe it. We still blame victims in so many instances. I’ll just leave it at this: once we learn what we don’t know (like what’s talked about on the video), it both opens up new language and makes other language inappropriate.
Also… funny (meaning strange in a dubious manner). The play-by-play guy got 2 games for comments about Ray Rice, but Ray McDonald is STILL PLAYING.
Well, personally, I had to stop watching,
once she mentioned her Ivy League degree
for the fourth time.
The message seemed to be:
“Hey, this should matter because
it even happens to rich wasps…”I must be a curmudgeon
today.w
vThat’s part of the point, tho.
It’s kinda like bed bugs. People think Domestic violence is just some dirty thing you only see among the poor, uneducated or people of color. The point is that it spans age, class, race, economic strata, religion and even gender.
And…maybe you’re being a bit of a curmudgeon.
Just a little bit. Little bit I think
Have an herbal tea and try another time….
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
September 12, 2014 at 9:56 pm in reply to: Adrian Peterson has been indicted for Injury to a Child…expanded, new story #7046MackeyserModeratorConsidering we’re talking about Texas and corporal punishment… if he gets anything other than a medal, I’ll be shocked.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
MackeyserModeratorI think that means the NFLPA and the owners may have signed or about to agree on a new CBA which would change the testing protocols…
Also should mean that Josh Gordon would be able to play…
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
September 12, 2014 at 1:48 pm in reply to: SF Niners play-by-play guy suspended for 2 games for Rice comments….. #7014MackeyserModeratorGRITS… I would implore you and everyone to watch this. The comments by that announcer calling Janay Palmer still marrying Ray Rice as pathetic…twice… were outrageous. This is that TEDtalk and it’s about the most accessible way I can think to get guys to understand about domestic violence, especially *why victims of domestic violence stay*. When invoking any amendment, especially the 1st amendment, we must remember that no right is absolute and that context matters. I believe the apology of the announcer who understands that words matter and how his role is one that represents an organization, thus on air, he’s representing an organization.
Free speech is important. It also doesn’t happen in a vacuum. And the reactions and over-reactions in the public sphere to some incidents can be tiresome. I get that.
However, for issues which have been grossly, grossly underrepresented in the national conversation for…ever, it’s important to allow all reactions including what some consider to be over-reactions to be part of the conversation because these issues like race and domestic violence are like the desert and each voice is like a droplet of water. In such an arid climate, we need every drop. Each is important. As well, once the conversation begins, it’s important to understand that if we do learn, the very nature of the conversation will change us and inform us that certain parts of the conversation are no longer appropriate. Language matters. Thus while we’ve seen *some* progress in the conversation on race since the 50s, there’s been very little progress since then about domestic violence. We barely have the language constructs to describe it. We still blame victims in so many instances. I’ll just leave it at this: once we learn what we don’t know (like what’s talked about on the video), it both opens up new language and makes other language inappropriate.
Also… funny (meaning strange in a dubious manner). The play-by-play guy got 2 games for comments about Ray Rice, but Ray McDonald is STILL PLAYING.
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MackeyserModeratorI think they can win, yes. In large part because I think the D will continue to improve and the OL won’t be much worse. Wells just had an abysmal game. I think…no, I KNOW he’ll be better.
I think it’s very possible that Davis will get the start to allow for continuity.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
September 11, 2014 at 11:21 pm in reply to: Ray Rice suspended cut by Ravens, Suspended indefinitely by NFL #6984MackeyserModeratorwell. a couple things. i don’t think they’re alone in this.
my understanding is that ray rice is very close to janay’s father. from what i’ve read he’s almost like a father figure.
now… that could be either really scary or comforting. i don’t know. i hope that janay comes from a strong family. they’ve known ray since before college. so i would put their relationship at nearly 10 years. i don’t know what happened in those ten years. i don’t know what kind of family she grew up in. my hope is she gets the help and support she needs.
the other thing is as much as ray needs counseling. janay needs counseling too. she needs to figure out why she is in a relationship with this guy. is it a good relationship for her? or is she putting herself in danger? can they make this relationship stronger or is it only going to deteriorate further?
I agree they both need counseling. That’s critical.
I really hope that Ray does decide to turn his life around. I really do. Redemption is very powerful.
I just have seen no sign of it. Now normally, I wouldn’t make much mention of it, except that Ray Rice has been very public and Janay Rice is still on social media defending her husband. So, this dynamic just looks like it’s still firmly within the confines of a textbook abusive relationship. And if that’s the case, I hope Janay gets help or out before she’s really hurt or killed.
I mean, with football, Ray had distractions. Now, Janay has to spend almost all of her time with her abuser. This incident may have shown a spotlight on domestic violence, but in her specific situation, it may have put her at risk of greater harm…again, presuming the public behaviors of Ray Rice are consistent with his feelings on the matter which would make sense considering his public demeanor hasn’t acquitted him very well.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
September 11, 2014 at 6:05 pm in reply to: Ray Rice suspended cut by Ravens, Suspended indefinitely by NFL #6971MackeyserModeratorMore great Deadspin reporting…
http://deadspin.com/the-only-thing-unusual-about-ray-and-janay-rice-is-that-1633583402
The Only Thing Unusual About Ray And Janay Rice Is That Anyone Noticed
Diana Moskovitz
One of my first homicide stories as a young crime reporter was about a woman killed by her boyfriend. One of my last stories as a crime reporter was about a woman killed by her husband. In between, there were too many dead women to count. A few stand out in memory, the ones whose deaths were especially grisly or tragic. But without fail, women slain by the men they loved kept coming across my desk.
It’s amazing how routine abuse can become. That’s why, whenever a woman turned up dead in South Florida, I knew exactly what to do.
First, find the old restraining order she’d let expire. Second, pull the file from the courthouse. Finally, find the letter inside in which she’d told the court her boyfriend or husband promised he would never hit her again. Because he’s a changed man. Because this was a one-time incident. Because I’m at fault, too. Because this is not a reflection of our relationship. He’ll never hit me again, the dead women had pleaded—just like Janay Rice did, on national television.
But this story isn’t about that press conference anymore. It’s about the video that shows Ray Rice with Janay—then his fiancée, now his wife—in an Atlantic City casino elevator. She rushes up to him, and he throws one swift punch. Her body goes horizontal, head slamming into a handrail before she crumples, powerless, to the floor. It happens in seconds, and then come the gut-wrenching moments when Ray Rice stands there, just stands there, over her unconscious body.
Get angry at what Ray Rice did and get angry at what Roger Goodell didn’t do, but please don’t be surprised by any of it. Not by the hit, not by the blatant attempts to make it look like it was the woman’s fault, not by Rice saying he would never do it again, not even by his wife taking him back. From the beginning, the Ray Rice saga has recapitulated everything awful about how domestic violence plays out in America. It has followed the script perfectly.
Act I: We Don’t Know All The Facts“Michael Diamondstein, an attorney for Rice, says that he’s hopeful that after an investigation ‘the matter turns out to be little more than a misunderstanding.'”—Associated Press, Feb. 16, 2014
“I really don’t know that situation. With me, I get all the answers. Then that’s when we make decisions within this organization—once we get all the information we can get.”—Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome, Feb. 17, 2014
Here’s what I remember from watching the nightly local news with my parents as a child: My father’s voice, booming over the reporter’s, with his solution to who killed the woman. It was always the same solution.
Her boyfriend did it.
I remember it in that way it’s easy to remember the moments that first nip away at your childhood fantasies, the ones where handsome princes whisk away princesses, Disney-style. My favorite movie at the time was Lady and the Tramp, an animated romp about the romantic adventures of an American cocker spaniel and a stray mutt who defeat an evil rat. Boyfriends killing girlfriends? No way, I would argue with my dad. Even at the age of 5, I knew the unspoken script of denial: We don’t have all the facts; we don’t know what happened that night; maybe someone else is mad at her, too.
It’s easy to compartmentalize violence, to assume bad things are done by bad people lacking compassion and a moral compass. Nobody wants to believe the most dangerous people in their lives might be the ones they love.
Except that’s exactly what domestic abuse is, violence and psychological torment wrapped up in a blanket of seemingly earnest “I love you”s.
Domestic abuse is a spectrum, and the deaths I covered are on it just as surely as Rice’s left hook is. Domestic abuse is the man who hits his wife and promises he’ll never do it again. Domestic abuse is the boyfriend who tells his girlfriend she’s ugly and nobody else would have her. Domestic abuse is the man who won’t let a woman get a job, insisting she rely on money he doles out to her. Victims often feel like they need to stay with their abusers, and the behaviors that abusers use to retain power and control over their victims—isolating them, minimizing whatever happened, laying on guilt about the children—are cyclical in a way that gets literalized in domestic-violence pamphlets as the Power and Control Wheel.
Too often, this ends fatally. Women are less likely than men to be killed in America, but far more likely than the other sex to be intimate with their killer. Of all the women murdered in 2010, nearly 40 percent were killed by a spouse or someone they were dating, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. This number has been 30 percent or higher since 1996.
For men who are murdered, the percentage killed by someone they’re intimate with hovers at about 2 to 3 percent.
I eventually stopped watching the news with my dad. I got sick of it proving him right.
Act II: Some Of It Was Her Fault“In Ray Rice’s case, he probably deserves more than a two-game suspension which we both acknowledged. But at the same time, we also have to make sure that we learn as much as we can about elements of provocation. Not that there’s real provocation, but the elements of provocation, you got to make sure that you address them, because we’ve got to do is do what we can to try to prevent the situation from happening in any way. And I don’t think that’s broached enough, is all I’m saying. No point of blame.”—Stephen A. Smith, July 25, 2014
Before you talk about Janay Rice and what she has said, consider this. In 2011, a group of researchers published their findings after studying the recorded detention-center phone calls between 25 couples. In each couple, the man had been charged with felony-level domestic violence and was behind bars while awaiting trial in Washington. In each couple, the victim was a woman. Of the 25 couples, 17 women eventually recanted their stories. The phone calls show exactly how the attackers convinced their victims to do it.
The Only Thing Unusual About Ray And Janay Rice Is That Anyone Noticed
Attackers in domestic violence have an advantage most criminals don’t. They have an intimate relationship with their victim and know exactly how to appeal for sympathy. They prey on our capacity to forgive. In the detention-center calls, first the men downplay what happened, then they beg for help. They bemoan the horrors of incarcerated life, fret about their children growing up fatherless, worry about how their victims are doing without them, even threaten to kill themselves. They tell stories about the good times, how they first started dating, invoke the Lord, even Buddha. Finally, the attackers tells the victims to change their stories. It works.
These are several of those conversations:
“You gotta sit up front and tell them that what you wrote in the (police) report was a lie.”
“Uh huh, I will.”
“No one really knows what happened anyway, it was all kind of a blur, I don’t know what happened.”
“I know, I don’t know either.”
“Well, if you don’t know if you really committed a crime … ”
“But you’ve just gotta’ say .. what you wrote on, in the statement is a lie, that you’re just mad ’cause you thought I was cheatin’ on you with your cousin. If you say that—”
“Okay.”
“If you say that, they’ll automatically let me go.”
“Okay.”
“I don’t know if you really committed a crime.”
When the women agree to recant, the couples coordinate what should be said to make everything go away. They start depicting themselves as a united front, even think of ways to protect the attacker, often blaming the government, prosecutors, outsiders for their plight.
Now, read Janay’s quote again from her press conference.
“I do deeply regret the role that I played in the incident that night.”
Act III: He’s A Changed Man, So Let’s Move On“I think what’s important here is that Ray has taken responsibility for this. He’s been accountable for his actions. He recognizes he made a horrible mistake, and that is unacceptable by his standards and by our standards, and he’s got to work to reestablish himself. And the criminal justice system, as you know, put him in a diversionary program with no discipline, and we felt it’s appropriate to have discipline, and to continue to counseling programs, and to continue our education and work.”—Roger Goodell, Aug. 1, 2014
He will act better now is what Kathlin Y. Raigoso told the court. She filed for a restraining order in 2009 after her husband, Erasmo Reina Moreno, hit her with a dumbbell while she was eight months pregnant, according to Aventura, Fla., police. The hit capped several turbulent months during which, Moreno said, the 31-year-old Raigoso had verbally abused him, calling her 72-year-old husband “a decrepit old man and threatening him with violence in the event he does not vacate his own home,” one court record said.
Like Rice, Moreno pleaded not guilty in his violence case and was placed in a pre-trial diversion program. His wife took him back.
“I have decided to lift the restraining order and give my children the opportunity to live with their father. I think that he, my husband, will act better now in his home and change his attitude,” she wrote to the court.
Five months later, they were living apart, but Moreno still had access to their gated community on the day Raigoso came home and found their 10-year-old son gunned to death. Moreno was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound just a few miles away.
I remember her not because the details shocked me, but because the newer reporter assigned to work on the story with me made me realize just how routine these deaths had become to me. I found the case information for the restraining order online and told the other reporter exactly how to get the file from the clerks and what to look for. He came back with copies of the court file, saying the clerks all had certain looks on their faces when he asked for it. Oh, you want this file? They had been waiting for us.
Officially, the police said it was still an open investigation, but that felt like a formality. The husband did it.
Act IV: Half Measures And Consequences“I don’t know if I want to get into all the details about it. I think it’s pretty obvious and pretty apparent. Everybody’s seen the video, and we’ll just leave it at that.”—John Harbaugh, Sept. 8, 2014
I want to believe Ray when says he’ll never hit Janay again. I want to believe he’s a changed man, that he understands why hitting Janay was wrong. I want to believe the cycle of domestic violence can be broken. I want to believe a whole lot of people learned from what happened. But we didn’t.
Janay Rice is the victim, but on the day Ray Rice was cut by his team, then suspended indefinitely by the league, it was mostly Ray whom everyone talked about. Was his punishment fair? Too harsh? How will he make a living? What kind of precedent does this set for the league?
If a few people asked about Janay, their voices couldn’t rise above the shouting. She’s the victim, but where were the pundits asking how she was doing? The man who hit her had just lost his job and been sent home—to her. Was she safe? Did anybody ask? Did anybody care?
As this wore on, I was going through my old clips, trying to find old stories I remembered. But what struck me were all the ones I forgot. Geraldo Regalado, who went on a rampage inside a Hialeah cafe, killing five people, including himself and his estranged wife, because he couldn’t let her go. Larry Daughtry, who killed his girlfriend then left her two young sons alone with their mother’s body for close to 20 hours. John Charles Reasee, whose reaction to hearing he was going to jail for violating a restraining order was to attack his ex-girlfriend in the middle of a courtroom. The judge leaped from his bench and rushed to shield Nicole Word, but Reasee still landed five blows, including one with a closed fist to the side of her head, before he could be brought under control.
“I thought he was going to kill me,” Word told me back in 2009. “I really did.”
Reading the quote again, I told myself to focus on the positive, the one thing that made this story different from most of the others I’d written: Janay, Ray and their daughter are all still alive. But otherwise, it’s all the same.
Image by Jim Cooke
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
September 11, 2014 at 6:03 pm in reply to: Ray Rice suspended cut by Ravens, Suspended indefinitely by NFL #6969MackeyserModeratorRight, he has to go to counseling. And as long as Janay doesn’t show any bruises, call the police or speak out and they keep up the façade, then he’s free to go about his way.
I would expect him to simply shift HOW he abuses her rather than to stop his abuse.
Why? Because (I can’t say for certain, but it’s my wager that…) no man who feels THAT comfortable in striking a woman THAT violently IN PUBLIC changes after a few sessions of talk therapy and a suspended sentence.
I don’t know what recourse the counselor has if he feels Ray Rice isn’t complying or participating other than reporting to the judge. I realize that some of that is based on jurisdiction. Sometimes, those reports can lead to almost immediate violation of the diversionary program and incarceration. Others simply lead to more “negotiation” with the judge over “my client didn’t get along with that therapist” yadda, yadda, yadda…
I swear, if I won the lottery, I’d go back to school, get my degree in Econ, then go to Law school (I always skew towards Constitutional Law… which, I know is only 1 rung above Accounting Law and 2 rungs above IP law on the boring ladder) and do pro bono law as best as my health permitted.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
September 11, 2014 at 5:54 pm in reply to: SF Niners play-by-play guy suspended for 2 games for Rice comments….. #6967MackeyserModeratorDid you see the TEDtalk video I posted?
It’s wicked good. As in…useful good, even…
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
MackeyserModeratorone game in?
Wow… Glad the playoff rankings haven’t been set, yet…
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
September 11, 2014 at 4:53 pm in reply to: Ray Rice suspended cut by Ravens, Suspended indefinitely by NFL #6961MackeyserModeratorWell, IR, I’m not going to stand outside of his house and pelt him with rotten tomatoes.
But, I’m also absolutely NOT going to soften nor allow discussions to soften the language about him. He’s not anything other than currently a batterer UNTIL something changes.
Do we know he’s stopped hitting Janay Rice? Has anyone in the media given a shit about her? Do we even know in all of this now that they’re married, does she even have her own cell phone?
The first step in domestic violence is isolation. Does she still have access to family?
I am not trying to swing the pendulum from “Good Guy” to “Demon”, BUT… I’m sure as hell not letting the pendulum go, either and neither is Ray, apparently.
My point is this. If Ray Rice is going to continue to push the pendulum toward the bad side, then we should F’N PAY ATTENTION before his wife ends up dead. You know… like Jovan Belcher, formerly of the KC Chiefs…. killed his girlfriend, then went to the stadium and killed himself in front of team personnel.
People want to act as if this story is over.
Anyone who pays attention to domestic violence stories knows that this is just Chapter ONE. If you haven’t watched that video I posted, really watch it. It’s just unbelievably enlightening.
Bottom line is that because Ray Rice has not shown any contrition… Janay Rice IS NOT SAFE. And THAT is more than enough reason to keep talking about this.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
MackeyserModeratorYa know… the other option is that the Vikes defense is really, really that much better and we all just don’t know it, yet.
We’re all still poo-pooing the Vikes as if they’re this crap team, but Mike Zimmer is one of the best defensive coaches in the NFL, bar none. I’d take him EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK over Gregg Williams. Hands down. He’s just a damn good coach.
So, maybe they just are legit.
Couple that with some breakdowns since our OL spent almost no time together in the off-season and that could explain our OL difficulties as much as anything.
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MackeyserModeratoryep, Joe… funny how they Scott Pioli isn’t such a damn draft wizard when the guys on the field aren’t allowed to cheat…
Truly a scar on the face of the NFL.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
September 11, 2014 at 6:44 am in reply to: Ray Rice suspended cut by Ravens, Suspended indefinitely by NFL #6916MackeyserModeratorAs for Ray Rice…IF he actually gets to the point of contrition, I’ll be open to hearing it. If you listen to that press conference where he tells Janay Palmer Rice to apologize for “her role in the incident” by saying, “don’t you have something to say?” as if, “look, you. This is part YOUR fault.”
That to me SCREAMS that Ray Rice is still a full on abuser and is having ZERO part of any rehabilitation.
Now that he’s suspended, I’m QUITE sure he blames her…whether it’s because she couldn’t take a punch or “fell wrong” so she “got herself knocked out on the railing” or… well, you name it.
Let’s be clear. I’m all for second chances…for the contrite.
So, until and unless Ray Rice truly comes to grips with what he did, takes responsibility for it IN AT LEAST AS PUBLIC A WAY AS HE ASKED JANAY TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER BEATING, then I hope he’s NOT let off the hook, that people do NOT let him move on and that he’s constantly reminded that he IS a batterer.
Why? Because…he’s not going to change until he’s going to change. And at this time, he’s shown exactly zero signs that he cares to change.
I mean, really. Putting his wife out front to apologize to the world for putting her face too quickly in front of his fist and not being able to retain consciousness when her head slammed into the rail?
Nope. Too often in this fast food nation we want everything quick, even if it isn’t done which lets people off the hook if they’ll only just stand still long enough to let everyone’s attention drift to something else (which only takes a few minutes usually these days). Well, Ray Rice can turn to stone and I’ll still see him as a batterer until HE changes. I don’t need his victims to apologize. I don’t need other shit to happen in the universe to distract me.
Where’s his pain? Where’s his angst? Where’s his difficult journey? Anyone see Ray Rice walking that road? I sure as hell don’t.
The day he’s contrite and actually gives a shit about change, then and only then, will *I* give a shit about Ray Rice getting a chance to move on.
Oh, and since domestic violence is epidemic in this country and desperately needs TONS more discussion… I’m perfectly content to let Ray Rice continue to be the poster boy for it as long as he…well, I was going to say faking his contrition, but he’s not even trying to do that. So, as long as he’s a proud batterer, he can be plenty out front afaic.
Why is ANYONE concerned about Ray Rice getting the chance to move on so quickly, anyway?
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
September 11, 2014 at 6:21 am in reply to: Ray Rice suspended cut by Ravens, Suspended indefinitely by NFL #6914MackeyserModeratorWhy does she stay? I’ve seen a number of folks ask this question. I know in my heart the answer, but the words… it’s complicated.
However, I found a resource, a TEDtalk, that explains 1000x better than I ever could why victims of domestic violence…men and women…stay.
Hint: to infer it’s about the money is to really, really misunderstand how domestic violence works…
It’s only 16 minutes, but it’s such a valuable resource for understanding this scourge that I just had to post it. I hope everyone takes the time. Anyone who’s ever seen a TEDtalk will understand the level of excellence that is expected from each speaker and this speaker does not disappoint.
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Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
MackeyserModeratorLOL
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
MackeyserModeratorSports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
MackeyserModeratorI was all over Kelvin Benjamin who looks like a superstar even in week 1. Then again, Quick’s doing about all that can be done with the QB situation being what it is.
That said, since Bradford was healthy, any rookie drafted wouldn’t have had enough snaps with the 1s to make a difference and there’s little chance a rookie would be making much of a difference. I say little because Derek Carr is turning heads in Oakland…
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
September 9, 2014 at 12:40 am in reply to: Ray Rice suspended cut by Ravens, Suspended indefinitely by NFL #6720MackeyserModeratorhttp://deadspin.com/someone-is-lying-about-whether-the-nfl-saw-the-ray-rice-1631901404
Someone Is Lying About Whether The NFL Saw The Ray Rice Tape
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Now that we’ve all seen video of Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice knocking out his then-fiancée Janay Palmer, a set of related and legitimate questions comes up. Who all saw this video before today? When did they see it? Did the NFL use it to determine Rice’s two-game suspension?
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Video: Ray Rice Knocks Out His Fiancée In An Elevator
Below, via TMZ, is the punch that got Ravens running back Ray Rice a two-game suspension from the…Read moreHere’s SI’s Peter King, back in July:
There is one other thing I did not write or refer to, and that is the other videotape the NFL and some Ravens officials have seen, from the security camera inside the elevator at the time of the physical altercation between Rice and his fiancée.
And here’s ESPN’s Chris Mortensen, also from July.
We saw the TMZ video of what happened outside—when he was dragging her out unconscious—but inside, I’m told from those who have seen the video, it wasn’t pretty. In fact, she attacks him—we don’t know the reason why—and he strikes her, strikes her hard. And her head—according to the sources I’ve spoken to—struck the rail inside the elevator and she was unconscious.
Which is exactly what today’s video shows.
Here’s ESPN’s Jane McManus, today:
And what evidence did police have? Back in July, Ravens PR told us this in an email:
Only thing we know for sure is that police who arrested Ray and Janay and then let them leave together that night saw the video.
But outwardly, and possibly for reasons having to do with both the legal elements of the case and with public relations, the NFL itself was opaque on whether it had seen the video.
Privately, top reporters were told in no uncertain terms that the video existed, that the NFL had seen it, that it showed Janay Palmer acting violently toward Rice, and that, if released, it would go some way toward mitigating the anger against him. One of the league’s most devoted mouthpieces described the video for us on an off-the-record basis, going off what his sources had told him. The implication was clear:If you saw this video, you’d know why Rice only got two games.
Now that the video’s out, the NFL and the Ravens are reversing course.
Chris Mortensen ✔ @mortreport Follow
NFL: Ray Rice video was not made available to them,despite requests to law enforcement. Nothing on whether NFL had account of what happenedJeff Zrebiec ✔ @jeffzrebiecsun Follow
Aiello: “We requested from law enforcement and all information about the incident, including the video from inside the elevator. …”Jeff Zrebiec ✔ @jeffzrebiecsun Follow
Con’td: “That video was not made available to us and no one in our office has seen it until today.”Jason La Canfora ✔ @JasonLaCanfora Follow
Ravens officials had not seen this Rice video prior to today but he had described actions in detail. Didn’t “sugarcoat” it source said…Jason La Canfora ✔ @JasonLaCanfora Follow
So while the actual footage today was new to the Ravens visually, the description Rice gave them was in line with what the video displayedThere are three possible explanations here. The first is that every single reporter who said the NFL had seen the video was lying. This seems unlikely, since they were all telling the same lie, both for public consumption and in their off-the-record talks with us.
The second is that the NFL was lying to all of the top football reporters back then about having seen the video, in some attempt to smear Janay Palmer.
The third is that the NFL is lying now about not having seen the video—that league officials saw what everyone has now seen, for whatever reason actually found it exculpatory, and are now making false claims to protect the league’s image. This interpretation is supported by an employee of the Revel, the Atlantic City casino where the fight took place. He tells TMZ that the NFL saw the footage before disciplining Rice.
Whatever the case, it’s almost certain that the NFL lied at some stage here, and that the league played a handful of its most loyal reporters in the process, suborning them into a smear campaign against a victim of domestic violence. Those reporters, who regularly and uncritically pass along the league’s party line but are rarely exposed like this, are the ones who look foolish now. Maybe it’s time for them to cut these particular puppet strings and name the sources who burned them so badly, which would do something to show that they’re reporters, and not stooges. If you’d like to outsource the job to us, feel free to email us.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
September 9, 2014 at 12:15 am in reply to: Ray Rice suspended cut by Ravens, Suspended indefinitely by NFL #6718MackeyserModeratorWord is that Harvey Levin is going to come out that the NFL and specifically Goodell knew about that tape. Someone else posted that here that Harvey Levin talked with some Fox5 guy.
Which is partly why I think Goodell HAD TO suspend Rice for the year once the video went public. Which is despicable. It tells us that the initial intent was to WITH KNOWLEDGE of the full extent of Ray Rice’s actions, try to sweep this under the rug if Ray Rice “kissed the ring”, cleaned up his act and played nice. They’d give him a one time pass. The league would lie and say that they hadn’t seen the tape and would do the damage control dance it knows so well.
Except… people revolted and so uniformly from so many cross-sections of society that Goodell just couldn’t run from it.
And now, with the tape coming out, he’s got to cut Ray Rice loose.
Just one problem.
It’s going to come out that Goodell knew all along.
The NEXT question is does this eventually get Goodell, too?
And Ray McDonald has to know that he’s in for something similar. Someone who cared about these things would be seriously worried about losing a year, but these guys who hit women don’t strike me as guys who worry about…things.
I do think that based on Ray Rice’s new suspension that if the reports are true that Ray McDonald choked his pregnant girlfriend and committed violence that cause defensive bruising on her arms, then yeah, he’s gonna get a year AND his outright release.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
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