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Eternal RamnationParticipantThat was awful this team was undefeated when scoring over 20pts. just pitiful .
Eternal RamnationParticipantHonestly what difference would an OC make with Fisher as Coach ? Norm Chow could only muster the 21st Offense in the league one year! Fisher has said over and over he wants to run the ball take shots through play action and play great special teams. I don’t care who you get , there’s only so much you can do with those parameters. Boras has improved the OL and the last thing they need is another big shakeup .
Eternal RamnationParticipantEasy just peel off the stickers and have a non-colorblind friend help you place them in appropriate order.
Eternal RamnationParticipantWho is Michael Bennett? Should I care?
He’s the superstar DE on the DL that had zero sacks today.
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Eternal RamnationParticipantYou know for all this talk about how tough a game Seattle is, Rams have won 3 of the last 4 against them. If you go back to 2012, the Rams are 4-4 against Seattle. That includes losing 1 home game and winning 3, then winning 1 away game and losing 3. Since Fisher came to the Rams, Seattle’s record in St. Louis (1-3) is the same as the Rams record in Seattle (1-3).
And the game the Rams lost in St.louis was much closer than today’s game (empty backfield and put it on Clemmons shoulders)
Eternal RamnationParticipantHe musta missed it when Gurley zoomed by him
Eternal RamnationParticipantI think we’re fine at Center when we get starters back. Barnes may not be the most gifted Center but he has the hustle and really has helped out calling the protections at the line, IOW he’s smart and durable . When the OG’s have experience and are coached up to give Barnes help Gurley and Tavon will be a nightmare. Cool die hard chat for this one started out with me a ZN and then -X- and Ag with their advancedness (well zn was advanced too maybe I’m just slow?) Anyways I had fun , thanks fellas ! Good to see wv on the chat IR showed up and it was over seaHags had no chance almost feel sorry for 49ers almost hehehehe.The defense considering how many were out played lights out,some stupid mistakes but we got the win!
Eternal RamnationParticipantMerry Winter Solstice !
December 22, 2015 at 11:33 am in reply to: is Seattle facing the most demoralizing loss in its history? #35912Eternal RamnationParticipantI predict Century Link field will be renamed Todd Gurley HOF induction guarantee field.
December 18, 2015 at 4:16 am in reply to: Rams: Great team or Greatest Team Ever? Bucs Post Game thoughts #35785Eternal RamnationParticipantI finally got a French feed going on the Britt bomb drive. I was thinking what the hell is this? the Bananas were killing the tomatoes. I watched later in entirety on my phone and GRob had a nice block on the first TA TD.They do have to be able to throw it for 5 yds. on 3rd down though. How many games could’ve been won with just that? ZN was right they did squeeze out a couple of wins and two games left. Well they have now equaled last year’s record at the very least. I tried to log in on the chat but sadly lost my feed O’ francez and failed to keep the diehard streak alive.
Eternal RamnationParticipantI really liked this one , it’s a brutally honest film.
Eternal RamnationParticipantSome folks place more value on past performance. 2008 was a long time ago, more relevant for my view is 2009 through 2015 . The offense is historically bad.Injury has a lot to do with it but I think the philosophy of keeping it close and hoping someone can “make a play” and win it is fatally flawed in that it results in more injury opportunities on defense and even crappy offenses are always in it so luck plays a much bigger part in games with inferior opponents.
Eternal RamnationParticipantShrooms grow wild in Florida . I have some experience in both shrooms and ptsd. http://www.naturalnews.com/041393_psilocybin_psychological_disorders_magic_mushrooms.html#
Eternal RamnationParticipantI guess to clarify my point if Martz doesn’t come to St.Louis Warner doesn’t get discovered.And Martz wasn’t dissing Warner he was praising him.
Eternal RamnationParticipantHe also flat out said he regrets
jettisoning Kurt Warner, but he also
made it clear it was a decision made
by the “organization.”I had a somewhat different reaction.
He said some things–a few things in fact–that we KNOW are not true. Simply know are not true.
For example, he described how he set up the Proehl catch in the Tampa game. Well we have heard Kurt and others discuss that game. The PLAYERS changed the play in the huddle. They altered the hot read on the blitz. Proehl was supposed to do one thing and instead they changed his route so he did another. Yet you listen to Martz and it is as if that never happened.
That was not the only thing he said that was like that. And in fact in terms of being afraid, I thought that’s exactly what Martz was at crucial points in his career. He did not break out of the shell against Tampa, the players changed the hot read. He was the one who drew back in instead of being aggressive against Carolina when they could have won, and instead he settled for a tie and overtime. Etc.
Every time there’s a choice to tell a story so it’s self-serving, Martz goes to self-serving mode. I wonder if he even knows the difference anymore.
Now there are a lot of things in that interview that have nothing to do either way with being self-serving or not, and those are great listens. But I know too much of the history…he changed some stories there, and let’s put it this way–he never changes a story so it takes the glory away from himself.
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I’m gonna tread lightly because this is board war territory but when it comes to evidence you are talking about separate people recounting in a interview of things that happened long ago. You seem to value Warner’s version over Martz’s . When I listened I don’t actually hear anything that contradicts Martz. I mean if they changed it in the huddle in the NFC championship I can see Martz not knowing about it or I can see him remembering it different but it did not seem self serving imo. The interview was asking about when he was OC. He was up in the booth on that one. There’s a famous DV line from the SB video where DV says ” Whoa Mikey down here really? Okay” As far as him getting conservative he was slammed repeatedly for being so pass heavy against the cheatriots even though when I watch that game I don’t see Faulk doing anything in the few runs they tried , and remember they ran him ragged closing out Philly the week before. I never understood anyone slamming Martz for his coaching because the guys record was amazing. Imo Warner owes much to Martz If Martz doesn’t come to St. Louis and insist on moving on from Tony Banks I doubt anyone ever hears of Warner.
Eternal RamnationParticipantTo fix the offense imo you need to get Fisher out of the control of the draft. He can pick RB’s but otherwise his offensive picks are abysmal .
December 7, 2015 at 4:49 am in reply to: the way Foles is right now they have a better chance with Keenum #35219Eternal RamnationParticipantI don’t know if Foles will ever work his way out of this, whatever it is. The Meltdown.
And Keenum is not god’s poster child for consistent accuracy.
But Foles is much more of a liability.
I think they have at least a couple of wins left in em.
ASSUMING they get either Jenkins back, or Johnson, or both.
I decided to watch some good Football after the game today. I watched the SeaHawks destroy the hated Vikings. Zimmer calling the Rams dirty bothered me but today the vikes were called for penalty after penalty including roughing the passer and unnecessary roughness and the Seahawks if they get in the playoffs they could go back to the SB.After watching that game I went back and watched the week 1 Rams vs Seahawks . Looking at Foles back then and comparing him to today not even his play just his appearance while on the sideline. He doesn’t even look like the same guy ,he looks like he has significant brain damage and I am serious. I fear for his health.
Eternal RamnationParticipantny coach that says that was an acceptable effort can kiss my ass
The issue wasn’t and has not been “effort.”
It’s execution.
You can put in all the effort you want and if you can’t execute you lose.
Fisher was right about effort. It’s not the issue.
Yeah, its not effort. True.
But to ‘me’ the word ‘execution’ is pretty meaningless.
I put it up there with “we didnt score enough points to win”Its meaningless to me, because it gives no clue
as to WHY the plays are not being ‘executed’ properly.Having said that, i never get mad at coaches
for what the say or dont say at press conferences.
I mean, would we expect them to explain
the nuts and bolts of why the team lost.
I dont expect that out of coaches — i expect
broad meaningless generalizations. Thats what
Belicheck gives win or lose.
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v“Execution” is a real thing. What it means is that while plays are there, the players are not, individually and as a group, doing what they’re supposed to on those plays…they’re not doing their assignments properly. It can be any number of reasons, including problems with technique, and so on.
It’s not one of those gray area dismissable terms. It has real meaning.
It’s true that you don’t always have a “why.” But because we don’t know why drivers go through red lights doesn’t mean it is meaningless to say they drove through red lights.
It ain’t no thing imo execution is effort , without the effort to execute you are just going through the motions. Effort is knowing when where and what you job is and making sure that job is done. Focus requires effort I saw a very blurry Rams team today and just for clarity,my problem is with coaching’s effort as well as a few of the players.
Eternal RamnationParticipantAny coach that says that was an acceptable effort can kiss my ass.
Eternal RamnationParticipantOne thing we can assess is the Fisher regime’s ability to acquire viable OL personnel.Fisher,Snead and Boo are the constants. A four year sample size to work with. Wells had existing knee problems when he broke his foot in week 1.
No that’s not true of Wells. He had a routine clean-up scope after playing every game in 2011. That was not an “existing knee problem.” The absurd series of injuries and infections he had after signing with the Rams—one of which sent him to ICU where he lost 40 pounds just before camp—had nothing to do with prior conditions.
Here;s what we can say about Fisher and Boudreau and OLs.
First, they both put together good ones several times over a combined 40 years prior to the Rams.
Second, they put together good ones with the Rams, when they were not held back by multiple simultaneous injuries. So for example, in 2012, after the injury epidemic in the first 8 games, they were relatively healthy and played well. That is, Jackson got 4.3 a carry, their sack percentage of 4% was the lowest for any Rams qb since the mid 80s, and they went 4-3-1 in games that included the NFC champ that year and 5 top 12 defenses. You can’t do all of that combined with poor OL.
2013 has a similar profile.
In each case, one neglected feature of their good work with OLs is the long list of recycled vets they used who had never done anything before the Rams and never did anything after the Rams…but played well with the Rams.
In terms of the injuries, that is just plain stupid bad luck. Nothing else can explain this: in the last 2 years they added 8 rookie/young linemen, and at this point, 7 of them have been injured. Yet only ONE of them had a previous injury history (Donnal).
A small percentage of Rams OL acquisitions had prior injury histories and it does not include Wells. Yet in spite of any prior injury history, the Rams OL continues to suffer multiple injuries.
The only explanation I can come up with for that is that sometimes random chance is particularly bad to you. And that beyond that there is no explanation.
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I disagree whether or not it was routine there was a reason for the clean up and it didn’t materialize because of half a game in 2012.The infection ,actually has a history at the ED. Remember one of my favorite old Rams Jack Snow died from an infection. Martz had that strange illness in 2005. Yeah we can twist and contort back a few decades and find success but imo it’s just not relevant . And we can chop out stretches where the OL played better but the knock on this regime is consistency and discipline. How far do we chop this up ,I mean the 2009 Lions OL played really great against the Browns? 7-8-1,7-9,6-10 4-7 now . We could win another one but I wouldn’t put money on it.
Eternal RamnationParticipantOne thing we can assess is the Fisher regime’s ability to acquire viable OL personnel.Fisher,Snead and Boo are the constants. A four year sample size to work with. Wells had existing knee problems when he broke his foot in week 1.
Eternal RamnationParticipantRT Havenstein (calf) was full participation.
That’s good news anyway. That means Reynolds goes back to LOG. He’s not only better AT LOG he is better than any other LOG option. Only Wichman is a newbie. It’s a better OL. With Hav out, they had to short change 3 positions; now it’s just one.
Maybe Reynolds can settle down GRob and get Gurley loose for a change. Some of the holding calls are from as RFL noted last season GRob plays high and ends up pushing his guy down (not holding), to the ref it looks like a guy being pulled down and they call him for it.
Eternal RamnationParticipantYes if and only if they can avoid divine intervention
Eternal RamnationParticipantI detest this show but I can’t disagree on their assessment .
Eternal RamnationParticipantBottom line this coach doesn’t have what it takes to get there. The Cheatriots started a 4th rd. rookie LG and Free agent Rookie C in what was their eighth different OL this season and first loss coming at Denver in OT. Fisher is the problem.
Eternal RamnationParticipantI agree it don’t look like that but it does not look good and it could materialize in many different ways, if they continue to be two different teams Offense and Defense and give Teams a pass when the were horrible it could spell trouble and develop quickly.
Eternal RamnationParticipantI don’t know Jenks was vocal last week about needing help from the O and they got less this week. I am not convinced Fisher hasn’t lost em” already.
Eternal RamnationParticipantManion looked fantastic!
Umm…was he playing at garbage time…when the bengals
were in prevent ?w
vYes there is some humor carry over from the chat there.The Bengals did not have a healthy db in the game in the 2nd half so it was all garbage time.Foles has been so late on everything and Manion looked sharp in comparison hitting on the short game where Foles passes get there after the Bengals D has already chiseled the receivers tombstone . It was tough to watch but TA had some great plays out of the direct snap to Gurley (Wildcat). I fear the D has just take too many hits to maintain their status
Eternal RamnationParticipantMy highlight would be TA channeling his inner Earl Campbell breaking tackle after tackle on one run.
Eternal RamnationParticipantManion looked fantastic!
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