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  • January 29, 2015 at 6:07 pm in reply to: 101, 1/26 … Albert Breer on re-location (re-location thread) #17647
    Dak
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    rfl wrote:

    Dak wrote:
    “Yes, there was a stipulation that gave the Rams the opportunity to get a new stadium upgrade after 20 years. Local leaders knew …

    This.”

    You know, there’s another aspect of all this. The original building.

    Snow and I live up here in Minny. When the Metrodome was built, it was done on the cheap. The Twin Cities took great pride in building the cheapest stadium around and fitting 2 teams into it. Such a deal!

    The problem is that it was a bad stadium. Within a year or 2, people were talking about building a better stadium. The Twins built a much nicer stadium and now the Vikings are doing so. We have seen about 20 years of roiling controversy over the need to replace a really lousy stadium.

    Now, the Ed is not that bad. But the complaints have swirled around it for a long time. I dunno the specifics. But I can’t imagine the Ed wasn’t built as something of a bargain. Discontent may well have been built in.

    Of course, I am not personally complaining. I don’t think cities SHOULD pay for stadia. Let the filthy rich owners pay for it.

    I’m just saying that, if you are going to use city money to lure a team, you better know that if you don’t build a jewel of a stadium with room and infrastructure for upgrades, you are going to start facing static for stadium inadequacy within a few years of the opening. And you’ll have it all to do again.

    Just sayin’ …

    It was a decent stadium when it was built, but almost every franchise has built a new stadium since then. I won’t say that leaders in St. Louis were ever proactive in tackling the stadium issue, but I also think they expected to deal with it during a negotiation period that was quickly truncated by Mr. Kroenke.

    January 29, 2015 at 5:25 pm in reply to: 101, 1/26 … Albert Breer on re-location (re-location thread) #17643
    Dak
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    Well, yeah, I’m looking at this from a St. Louis Rams fan, so no, I don’t know the particulars of how Georgia fled L.A.

    Yes, there was a stipulation that gave the Rams the opportunity to get a new stadium upgrade after 20 years. Local leaders knew they were going to have to play ball with Kroenke. Problem is, Kroenke took his ball to the West Coast before they really got playing.

    Like I said before, SK could have bought land here to build a stadium. He did not. He bought in L.A. instead. He never gave any indication that he wouldn’t negotiate in good faith.

    January 29, 2015 at 12:17 pm in reply to: 101, 1/26 … Albert Breer on re-location (re-location thread) #17639
    Dak
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    Let’s look at it this way. You have a girlfriend. You’ve been in a committed relationship all along, but you just haven’t tied the knot. She says she wants to stay with you. But, she wants security, and you’re pretty happy the way things are. You realize that you have to do something more in your life to keep her, maybe get a better job, or sock away more money so you can buy a dream house for the two of you … somewhere really nice to raise a family. But, she’s stopped talking to you about the future, and maybe you think, well, she just needs to think more about what she wants, exactly.

    But, unknown to you, she’s met another suitor who has some really nice assets to offer her. She’s been socking away her own money, and plenty of it, and now she’s thinking about greener pastures. She doesn’t even come to you and tell you about her plans with this new suitor. You learn about it from some other people. You approach her, and she’s aloof and even avoiding your phone calls. What’s going on? Is the relationship over? She tells you that she wants to take day by day and see what happens.

    Not a perfect analogy, but pretty close to the STL-SK-LA triangle. The bottom line is that SK stopped working on the relationship with St. Louis, and while the St. Louis leaders could have done more to entice him to stay, they also were working on the assumption that SK can’t just up and move without trying to work out the stadium situation in St. Louis. He didn’t inform St. Louis at any time that he had no intention of working on a St. Louis stadium, but rather he was working on an L.A. plan. The St. Louis contingent was naive for thinking that SK would work with them, I guess, but it’s true also that NFL bylaws say that SK was SUPPOSED to give it the old college try before declaring that it couldn’t be done. After a disagreement on the dome upgrade, SK hasn’t worked with St. Louis leaders at all. They couldn’t even get him on the phone. The state’s governor couldn’t get him to return calls.

    So … it’s a double cross. And, here’s the thing: Every time I hear a St. Louis fan talk about the situation, their eyes are open now to what SK is doing. He’s moving forward and onward to LA, St. Louis fans be damned.

    It will make for an interesting year of lame duck football. I expect attendance to be pretty low. And, that will also play into SK’s favor, as well.

    I’m really down about the NFL because of this. I don’t know how much I’ll be invested in the league when the Rams move. I didn’t feel this way until now, really. My feelings continue to change, evolve, shift … and add the New England cheating stuff, and it’s just so obvious the NFL is full of crap. There is no integrity in this league.

    January 28, 2015 at 9:36 am in reply to: 101, 1/26 … Albert Breer on re-location (re-location thread) #17572
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    Zooey wrote:

    Well, the news in the Breer story is that there are NFL people applauding the Kroenke plan, insinuating that the move to L.A. from STL has support from important people with pull. Then, Breer says the Rams will do 2 things — tell STL they’re going year-to-year on the lease and presenting signatures to put a rezoning issue on the ballot for the L.A. area stadium. And, that happens right on queue.

    Let’s just say all signs point to the Rams moving. And, no signs point to them staying here.

    We knew the Rams were going year-to-year, and we knew they were going to go for re-zoning. That’s a given. Even if the Rams are completely bluffing, they would do that.

    You’re right, though. The closest thing to anybody applying the brakes is Spanos, and I don’t think that’s enough without something from the NFL offices. And while they are going through the process, there is certainly nothing like a warning, or strong language of any kind suggesting there could be any contention behind the closed doors.

    But if I’m St. Louis…my biggest concern is the fact that the Peacock deal is based on property that they do not own. Even if it is smooth sailing to acquire all the land rights, they are way behind. The shovels can hit the dirt in Los Angeles before St. Louis even has the property squared away, and if a shovel hits the ground, it is completely over.

    We did know about the lease thing and the rezoning thing, but they took place at the exact time the author said it would, which just adds authenticity to the report.

    The property in question in St. Louis is pretty crappy, so I think the sellers will be willing to listen. But, it’s true that STL is way behind, and why wouldn’t they be? SK was busy putting together property in LA, not in STL. He could have done it here, if that’s what he wanted.

    Have to hand it to SK. He sure played the situation as best he could. He’s a double-crosser, because all along he had his minions saying that the Rams were committed to STL, when in fact he was looking to the West Coast all along.

    January 27, 2015 at 9:26 pm in reply to: happy birthday jimi #17522
    Dak
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    Happy happy!

    January 27, 2015 at 9:22 pm in reply to: 101, 1/26 … Albert Breer on re-location (re-location thread) #17520
    Dak
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    Well, the news in the Breer story is that there are NFL people applauding the Kroenke plan, insinuating that the move to L.A. from STL has support from important people with pull. Then, Breer says the Rams will do 2 things — tell STL they’re going year-to-year on the lease and presenting signatures to put a rezoning issue on the ballot for the L.A. area stadium. And, that happens right on queue.

    Let’s just say all signs point to the Rams moving. And, no signs point to them staying here.

    January 27, 2015 at 9:18 am in reply to: how you northeast guys holding up #17467
    Dak
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    Yeah, I hope everyone is doing well. Stay safe.

    January 27, 2015 at 9:16 am in reply to: Breaking News in Pats Investigation #17466
    Dak
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    nittany ram wrote:

    Mackeyser wrote:
    Per Roger Goodell, ignorance is not an excuse. Just ask Sean Payton…

    Good, because I highly doubt Belichick was completely oblivious to the deflated football situation (just as I don’t believe Payton knew nothing about his team participating in bounties). Seems to me there’s little that would escape his notice, or rules broken without his approval even if it was unspoken.

    I can’t imagine a rogue employee deflating the ball with no instructions, on just about any team, but especially Bill Belichick’s Patriots.

    January 26, 2015 at 6:05 pm in reply to: Breaking News in Pats Investigation #17441
    Dak
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    Well, if the Patriots win, I could see the NFL skating the issue, because they certainly don’t want a tainted Super Bowl winner.

    OR, regardless of the outcome (and much more likely if the Pats lose), the NFL could really come down hard on the Patriots because they’ve already tainted the playoffs … and what better way to deter tampering in the future than to smack the Pats. I would propose a year-long suspension to Belicheat, a loss of 1st-round picks for the next 3 years, and a $10 million fine to the organization. And, that’s with no direct evidence. Remember, the NFL already set a precedent of coming down hard on a head coach without any direct evidence that he participated in a violation when they suspended Sean Payton for a year. With direct evidence, pretty much double the suspension and triple the fine.

    January 26, 2015 at 5:25 pm in reply to: a few drinks under my belt I went over to bill walsh and interrupted his dinner #17434
    Dak
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    Cool story.

    January 26, 2015 at 5:23 pm in reply to: speculations about Rams interest in Foles #17431
    Dak
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    I’d trade a draft choice for Foles, I guess. Maybe a 3rd-rounder. I mean, are we going to get anyone better in this draft? Probably not.

    January 26, 2015 at 5:17 pm in reply to: Should NFL players have to talk to media? #17430
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    Yes, they should talk, unless a doctor says they have a social anxiety disorder. If you’re the NFL, you need the media. You let players clam up, and you reduce the number of happy story lines in the media and reduce exposure of your sport to the fans. You know, those reporters still have to fill copy … I think you’d rather have them doing that with little chitty-chatty stuff with the players than actually think and dig into substantive issues.

    January 26, 2015 at 5:10 pm in reply to: Breaking News in Pats Investigation #17429
    Dak
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    I don’t what’s going to happen, but this is pretty good theater. You can feel the noose tightening around Belicheat’s neck.

    January 23, 2015 at 2:44 pm in reply to: Grayson, Hundley, Petty, Carden etc. … the qbs this year #17229
    Dak
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    I just doubt that the QBs are going to come off the board fast and furious. Sounds like a bunch of mid-round guys after Mariotta and Winston, who both probably should be late 1st-rounders but will likely go much higher.

    I guess the QBs could come off earlier just for the fact that it’s not a really deep college draft, in general. When there’s close to a tie, take the QB, and all that.

    January 23, 2015 at 2:04 pm in reply to: 2015 Senior Bowl #17227
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    PA Ram wrote:

    This guy sounds perfect. I expect the Rams to take him at #10.

    I have made up my mind. Collins it is.

    I talked with a couple of teams that were hoping LSU tackle/guard La’el Collins didn’t show up well at tackle in order for them to have an opportunity to draft him as a guard. The buzz among my scout buddies was that Collins would have trouble in the league with edge rushers and their speed — thus making him a better fit inside, where he can just play against players with power. I have to say that there were some snaps against those edge rushers where he more than held his own off that left side. There will be plenty of talk in the coming weeks where teams view him as a fit.

    http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2015/01/21/scout%E2%80%99s-eye-unheralded-names-generate-buzz-second-day-senior-bowl

    That’s the guy I figure the Rams might draft, too. Can play right tackle or guard right away, and would be a very good backup at LT and could be your future LT if something happens to Robby. It’s another big investment in the O-line, and while it wouldn’t be sexy, ask teams like the Cowboys how much an O-line investment can pay off.

    January 23, 2015 at 2:00 pm in reply to: Is this the year of the qb? Is Wilson a top 4 qb? #17226
    Dak
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    That Green Bay game was a great showcase of what Wilson offers on the field. First of all, without that clutch Seattle defense, Green Bay wins running away, and you would have been talking about how Wilson’s INTs sunk the Seahawks. And, how Wilson would often run around and take sacks instead of getting rid of the ball and playing field position. Instead of putting the game away, Green Bay farts away great field position time and again. So, Seattle sticks around. Eventually, Lynch starts hitting some big runs and pops a TD. Seattle never gave up on the running game, even behind. That’s to the coaching staff’s credit. They knew that you can’t just put the game on Wilson’s shoulders. You need the credible threat of a running attack.

    In the process, Wilson hits on some key passes, and then he makes the clutch throw that wins the game.

    Wilson can make some big plays, with his feet and his arm, and oftentimes it’s in crunch time. I’ll give him that. He has that intangible where he always believes in his ability and he never shrinks from the moment.

    But, if he has a decent game and protects the ball, let’s be honest, Seattle wins that one handily. Without good field position most of the game, Green Bay would have had a tough time eking out points.

    January 23, 2015 at 1:50 pm in reply to: New England … praise and blame #17225
    Dak
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    This scandal is all anyone’s talking about when I hear them talking about the Super Bowl. Maybe the NFL figures that all the bad publicity the poor Patriots are getting is punishment enough, like an enabling father might do while ruffling his maladjusted son’s head.

    January 23, 2015 at 1:39 pm in reply to: happy birthday Ramsmaineiac #17224
    Dak
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    Hope you had a happy-happy, board pappy!

    Thanks again for stepping up with this board!

    January 22, 2015 at 9:26 am in reply to: New England … praise and blame #17133
    Dak
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    wv wrote:

    Dak wrote:

    Also, i disagree with those that think “cheating is cheating
    whether it helps the Pats or not.”
    I think there is a significant difference between “cheating
    that helps” and “cheating that doesnt”. Its like one
    is a traffic violation, and one is a Felony. Kinda.

    Well, you’re coming at this like a lawyer, I guess. But, I have no idea how you can think that New England, or anyone, would cheat without expecting an advantage. Why cheat, if you don’t expect an advantage? With the Patriots, you really have no idea how much of what they do would help or hurt, anyway. You just don’t. It’s up to interpretation. Hell, the NFL had no idea whether bounty gate helped or hurt the Saints, either, or whether it was responsible for hurting other players. But, a clear line was crossed. Once you cross that line, you’re in violation. How much or whether you affected the outcome of the play is difficult to quantify. But, there’s a reason those lines were drawn in the first place.

    And, you can’t help but think if indeed the Patriots did this once, maybe they’ve been do it all along, for years.

    But, I’ll wait to see what the NFL says officially. Should be interesting.

    Well I am still a-thinkin-on-it. So far, I’m not persuaded it was a ‘big deal.’

    Probably partly because I am old :) And back in the olden days, coaches and players
    did all kinds of stuff that would be called “cheating” by today’s fans. George Allen
    was accused of putting spies in trees by Tom Landry, for example.
    I can just imagine what John Madden’s Raiders did to the opponents
    balls :)

    I just dont have enuff information yet. Not enuff context.
    For example what if some players come out and say “oh hell lots of
    coaches deflate balls. Its happened a gazillion times over the years.
    We all just laugh about it.”

    w
    v

    All of that said, cheating is still cheating. The Colts were playing by the rules, and they also were trying to get to the Super Bowl.

    January 22, 2015 at 9:24 am in reply to: New England … praise and blame #17132
    Dak
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    I was watching a segment on ESPN this morning where they handed Mark Brunell three different footballs to throw to Jerome Bettis. One ball was underinflated, one overinflated and inflated properly. Brunell and Bettis both guessed correctly which balls were which. Brunell said the underinflated ball is better for him because he can really grip it well and that helps him throw it better. Bettis said he didn’t know if the ball was easier to catch, but as a running back it would be easier to hold onto the ball and make it more difficult for a defender to strip the ball from him.

    Tell me those wouldn’t be some nice advantages.

    Now, if other teams do this, they should be punished, too. But, it always seems to be the Patriots, doesn’t it?

    January 21, 2015 at 5:27 pm in reply to: Why your team's hunt for an offensive coordinator isn't going so well #17080
    Dak
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    I take it back. Martz has received an interview.

    January 21, 2015 at 5:22 pm in reply to: New England … praise and blame #17078
    Dak
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    bnw wrote:

    Wait. When a team gets behind enough they change their approach and usually become one dimensional, predictable on offense. All the cheating has to do is get the other team off its game plan.

    Exactly. You have no idea how much the cheating affects the game. Maybe a lot. Maybe none. That’s all a guessing game.

    January 21, 2015 at 5:20 pm in reply to: New England … praise and blame #17077
    Dak
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    wv wrote:

    Also, i disagree with those that think “cheating is cheating
    whether it helps the Pats or not.”
    I think there is a significant difference between “cheating
    that helps” and “cheating that doesnt”. Its like one
    is a traffic violation, and one is a Felony. Kinda.

    Well, you’re coming at this like a lawyer, I guess. But, I have no idea how you can think that New England, or anyone, would cheat without expecting an advantage. Why cheat, if you don’t expect an advantage? With the Patriots, you really have no idea how much of what they do would help or hurt, anyway. You just don’t. It’s up to interpretation. Hell, the NFL had no idea whether bounty gate helped or hurt the Saints, either, or whether it was responsible for hurting other players. But, a clear line was crossed. Once you cross that line, you’re in violation. How much or whether you affected the outcome of the play is difficult to quantify. But, there’s a reason those lines were drawn in the first place.

    And, you can’t help but think if indeed the Patriots did this once, maybe they’ve been do it all along, for years.

    But, I’ll wait to see what the NFL says officially. Should be interesting.

    January 21, 2015 at 2:46 pm in reply to: New England … praise and blame #17065
    Dak
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    wv wrote:

    I havent formed an opinion on this yet, but let me just ask — how would deflating the balls help only one team? I mean they were deflated for both teams. How did it help the Pats and not help the Colts?

    w
    v

    I think this has been answered since you posed the question, but it doesn’t matter if the cheating actually helped New England. If they cheat, they must expect an advantage. Cheating itself is the issue.

    I’m waiting to hear what actually comes of the investigation before I chime in much more. But, cheating itself is all that matters. I don’t care if New England made it WORSE on themselves while cheating. Good, if that’s the case. But, it just doesn’t matter. It’s all about the cavalier attitude toward the rules, as if they don’t apply to the Patriots. We already know that they’re willing to cheat, so it shouldn’t be a surprise if Bill did it again.

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    January 21, 2015 at 2:36 pm in reply to: Why your team's hunt for an offensive coordinator isn't going so well #17064
    Dak
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    bnw wrote:

    Hire Martz now.

    Not going to happen in STL, but these teams with openings could do worse than Martz. I guess since he’s not even getting interviews, that tells you how far away Martz is from getting back into the NFL again.

    January 21, 2015 at 9:28 am in reply to: New England … praise and blame #17003
    Dak
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    wv wrote:

    ==============================
    Rambill

    Chris Mortensen ‏@mortreport 1d1

    NFL has found that 11 of the Patriots footballs used in Sunday’s AFC title game were under-inflated by 2 lbs each, per league sources.
    NFL has no comment at this time and Patriots say they will continue to cooperate with the investigation. More on SpotrsCenter.

    If true, Belichick needs to be suspended for a year. They set a precedent with Sean Payton.

    January 20, 2015 at 5:42 pm in reply to: Rams 40-1 to win Super Bowl 50 #16951
    Dak
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    joemad wrote:

    I thought the Rams would be a longer shot to win next season.

    Tampa is 200-1… that’s not a bad bet… Lovie can turn that around in that week NFC South.

    I’m surprised Seattle and New England is a pick em game… I would think New England would be favored by 6.5.

    URL = http://www.footballlocks.com/nfl_futures_odds_super_bowl_50.shtml

    I think I heard that NE was a 2.5 point favorite out of the gate, but it evened out quickly. Seattle’s got that swagger and team of destiny vibe.

    January 20, 2015 at 5:37 pm in reply to: New England … praise and blame #16949
    Dak
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    When anything bad happens to me, I never say, “Why me?” I always say, “Why not Belichick?”

    January 20, 2015 at 9:25 am in reply to: New England … praise and blame #16918
    Dak
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    That is amazing. Best franchise in sports. Unfortunately. I will enjoy them losing the Super Bowl to the Seahawks oh so much.

    January 16, 2015 at 6:48 pm in reply to: Pat Summerall and John Madden #16710
    Dak
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    I watched some of that, and when they got to The Fridge, I thought, wow, nowadays, nobody would even talk about William Perry’s size. I looked up his bio on Wikipedia, and it said that he was 6-2, 335 pounds. That’s pretty big, but nobody’s gonna make a big deal out of that size anymore.

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