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Then why be against compensation to end the practice entirely while avoiding bloodshed?
Should the government compensate me if my cat runs away while I’m on vacation?
There are reasons both moral and practical. Forget the moral aspects for now. Let’s look at the practical. First of all, who would pay? Remember “the North” isn’t actually a legal thing. It’s either the Federal government, or a state government. It can’t be the Feds because that government is of the United States. And the slave hasn’t left one country for another; he/she has left one state for another. Which state pays? The border state through which the slave entered? The state where he went next? The state he went to after that?
Whose job is it to track down the escaped slaves? How do they determine their identity, and which southerner is entitled to compensation?
Who determines the compensation? Do we set up a depreciation table? You paid $800 for this slave, worked him for 12 years, and now he’s got a bad back from an injury, and a cataract in one eye. Do you get the full $800? What if the slave was born into slavery and not paid for at all?
What are you going to do about the black market that develops where unwanted slaves (old, unproductive, etc) are helped to “escape” so that the owner can get cash for them? What about the straight up fraud cases where purchase papers are falsified to show a greater amount was paid for a slave? Now you’ve developed a secondary market for humans in the south where unscrupulous men buy slaves just to “resell” them to the north for a quick profit.
I have a better idea.
No to slavery. No to racist policies.
If you buy a slave, you assume the risk. If the slave dies, the slave dies. If the slave runs away, the slave runs away.
The federal government would have had to pay to abolish slavery and compensation would have had to be made to slave owners. Somewhat like eminent domain covered by the Fifth Amendment. I can’t imagine the north would have accepted less than complete abolition. You present interesting ideas about how compensation could have been approached depending upon the individual slave in question. None of your other concerns would be in play since the institution of slavery would have been abolished.
Your “better idea” as stated is quite odd as it supports the institution of slavery.
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No the computer was used as an example of slave labor today. Yes, compensating lawful owners for lawful property would have prevented war. Apparently you are also against people being sold into freedom?
No, I’m against people being treated as property. I thought that was clear.
Then why be against compensation to end the practice entirely while avoiding bloodshed?
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Odd that the north was willing to fight to preserve the union (and end slavery) when just compensation instead of spilled blood would have sufficed. In the case of the southern plantation owner the end of slavery was already at hand due to emerging technologies.
Yeah but paying for humans just makes them property–not humans.
They should never have been property in the first place.
Slavery was practiced throughout the north before the Revolutionary War. It was also practiced in most of the world at that time. It is easy to moralize the issue today but at that time it was well entrenched. While I was making the list of countries abolishing slavery it was not a cut and dry proposition as was done in the US by war. Slavery was whittled away slowly piece by piece (by an amazing array of strategies employed) elsewhere over the decades until it lost prominence in political and economic circles at which time it was formally abolished in all its forms. Saying that I do believe the computer I am using now is a product of modern day slavery but that is an issue for another day.
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Facebook is another one. Voluntary information and interactions stored for all time to make domestic spying cheaper and easier.
Opt out of mapping? I wouldn’t believe it. What a way to embolden the newly enlightened. The tracking is still there just you can’t see it. Think about it. Why would you need to see where you have been?
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So he was “shaking and almost vomiting”? What a drama king. He should have been arrested for misusing 911.
‘Offended’ flea market shopper calls 911 over Confederate merchandise
JULY 12, 2015
BY OLAF EKBERGA shopper perusing the merchandise at the Redwood Country Flea Market was so offended by a vendor selling Confederate and Nazi historical memorabilia, the person actually called 911.
Wallingford, Connecticut police were dispatched to the flea market to investigate.
Confederate memorabilia. (Example)
The police chief William Wright tells News 8 “the reason no one was arrested was because the items were being sold on private property” — not to mention no laws were broken.“There was a table set up with this material,” Wright says, according to Journal-Record. “It’s not criminally illegal, but obviously it offended this person. It causes some people a sense of being uncomfortable. Certainly the owner could preclude this merchandise.”
The town resident who called 911 said there were helmets with swastikas, images of Hitler and other historical Nazi items.
“I was shaking and almost vomiting,” he tells the paper. “I had to run. My grandmother had numbers,” referring to the digits the Nazis would tattoo on prisoners.
The caller complained that the Confederate items were “not authentic” and were replicas of flags and weapons.
He says the seller told him “he was selling so much he can’t keep it in stock.”
Jason Teal, president of the Meriden-Wallingford NAACP, was contacted to see what he thought.
“It’s difficult because it’s on private property and it’s considered free speech,” Teal says.
According to the paper, the complainant also called Mayor William W. Dickinson Jr., who promptly called Chief Wright.
“I had to check with the chief over what is actionable and what isn’t,” according to the mayor. “Unless something violates state or federal law, there’s no jurisdiction for government to do anything. We had to ask, is it something controlled by law?”
And the assistant regional director of the Anti-Defamation League in Connecticut sees a difference between authentic memorabilia and “cheap replicas” “used as symbols of hate.”
“It’s unfortunate that under the law people have the right to sell these things; but it doesn’t mean they should sell these things,” Joshua Sayles says.
“It’s not a crime but I would call it hate. People look at the situation in Charleston and say it’s down in the South. But this stuff is here in Connecticut.”
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