Supplying peoples wants and needs. How is that done in your ideas of better systems?

Correction- should not be——-should read———should be out of pocket

Now if you wish to say that certain qualities of life should be outside of personal economic necessity say no rent, utilities, education, food, healthcare etc. should be out of pocket

nittany ram wrote:

Apparently a modern human male and a neanderthal female could produce viable offspring but the reverse isn’t true. None of the genes from the Y chromosome of neanderthal males has been found in modern humans. The neanderthal Y chromosome has three alleles that produce an antigen that would cause an immune response in modern human females that would cause any fetus to be spontaneously aborted.

I’ve tried to keep up on this but never knew that. Very interesting. Explains why there is only one Ron Perlman.

Bob ‘N’ Weave. I say Hi to everyone that drops by.

Stopped at an intersection today I noticed the people in the next lane laughingat something in front of their car. I realized it was a bumper sticker that read –I’m Ready for Hillary 2016. I had to laugh too.

Nice post though the effect on poverty of taking the dad out of the home is well documented. I like your women in the workforce lowering overall wages. Add illegal aliens and outsourcing overseas and negative pressure on wages is assured. Plus the cost of living still rises.

The tax rates on the wealthy were much higher back then but almost no one paid those rates as there were loopholes which were taken to great advantage. US manufacturing didn’t have much competition on the world stage since WW2 devastated both europe and asia manufacturing. Now with the ease of investing anywhere in the world via stock exchanges the wealthy can and do keep substantial wealth offshore working elsewhere. That is why Trump wants to make it easy for corporations and the wealthy to bring that money back to the US to invest in US job creation.

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wv wrote:

I’ll tell ya though, people always want to talk about
the ‘middle-class’ and helping the middle-class. Politicians
just love talking about the MC. But I’d prefer it
if they’d talk more about the flat-out-Poor.

The emphasis on the MC kinda suggests the poor
dont ‘deserve’ help but the glorious middle-class does.

Middle class is the engine of job creation. It is also the largest group of consumers of means. It is also a reasonable quality of life which is why it is aspired to by the middle class and the poor. It is also a starting point with a certain level of inherent advantage in which to attain greater economic success. The concept of upward mobility is appealing to most people.

zn wrote:

bnw wrote:

Mackeyser wrote:

Voter fraud is not real. Not in any way that matters.

Except to win.

We know the purpose of it if it DID exist.

But Mack is saying it does not exist. Not in any statistically meaningful way.

If you believe it does, you have just swallowed some propaganda whole. I will say this. You will not be able to present any evidence for it that stands up to scrutiny.

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It definitely exists.

There Are Nearly 300 Cases of Voter Fraud in America

Mackeyser wrote:

Major General Smedley Butler got it right. So did Eisenhower when he left office.

As for job creation, that’s just not justified by basic economics.

Principal demands return. Period. Wages are a drag on returns and thus in maximizing returns, wages are minimized or eliminated.

Which means, principal seeks return in which there are few people required or no people required.

Why do you think speculative returns on Wall Street are so attractive? They can get returns and have ZERO of the drags on the net such as wages. The only thing to manage is risk which is still evident in any venture in which there are jobs, be it retail, manufacturing, service sector, health care, etc.

Thus, the BIGGEST LIE of all is that the wealthy are job creators. They are not. The wealthy are wealth hoarders. Their investments have proven to NOT create jobs, certainly not in the US. The returns they seek are too great for that to happen here.

The actual math is that what should have happened initially instead of some piddly little stimulus was a MASSIVE, MASSIVE stimulus in which the country borrowed at ZERO percent (the world was flooding the US with funds even then because we were one of the safe places, even still) and used the amount to rebuild our infrastructure as well as embark on much needed improvements. The amount should have been somewhere between $3-5 Trillion. Yeah…MASSIVE. Why so much???

Well, firstly, we’re going to have to pay that bill, anyway. As Flint has shown, we’ll have to replace lead pipes all across the country and upgrade/replace outdated water treatment systems including the ability to treat for sodium which they can’t now such that some city water is technically clean, but not safe for children or heart patients/elderly people.

Now, if we go about it the way we “rebuilt” Iraq, yeah, it wouldn’t be worth it. However, with smart project management, efficiencies can be found and executed. Understand that mostly this wouldn’t be the “government” building anything, but private firms building according to government plans or guidelines and if private contractors can build nuclear submarines and work with the government, it can work with bridges, water treatment plans and schools.

With such an infusion in the hands of people who LIVE and WORK, the demand would be immense. At that point, it would be incumbent upon the Fed to manage inflation, Federal and state legislatures to deal with regulations to encourage entrepreneurship without selling out the environment or workers and All level of governments to FINALLY realize that creating JOBS doesn’t mean dooky squat if people can’t GET TO WORK.

Here in Central Florida, Public Transportation is laughable. Our Criminal Governor Rick Scott torpedoed a high speed rail that was mostly paid for and was shovel ready (and I mean shovel ready in a way that isn’t hyperbole. When the I-4 was put in, it was designed with some kind of rail system in mind and even graded such that the ONLY change needed along the entire path, only one rail overpass would need to be either lifted or removed. That’s it. So, there’s no high speed rail connecting Orlando with Tampa. Orlando has more jobs and Tampa has a bunch of bedroom communities with workers. Moreover, the tourism possibilities were immense. Disney and Universal were crazy about the idea of being able to tap into the beaches of the Gulf Coast as well as the Tampa Cruise Terminal. So much synergy…

Point being that this was just one example of MANY in which those synergies were allowed to lapse for personal gain of a few. Thus, even if an entrepreneur in Tampa or Orlando wanted to succeed, there are real barriers in place. Like…how does an employee GET to work? How do customers get to you?

Principal doesn’t want to build public roads or bridges or sewage plants or schools or internet infrastructure or any number of other things that are critical for us as a society.

Principal demands return like the mob. Remember Ray Liotta in Good Fellas? That’s principal. “But we need jobs.” “Fuck you, pay me.” “But we need clean water.” “Fuck you, pay me.” “But the bridges are about to collapse!” “Fuck you, pay me.”

That’s principal. Principal is a reluctant job creator, it at all.

Again allow the wealthy the option of lowering their ADDITIONAL tax burden by investing in US job creation.

With all the talk about principal and Wall Street I wonder if you get it. You seem to be flying high over the problem. I only had two econ classes in college. Perhaps you had more? I’m not talking about people with the cash to invest in Wall Street. I’m not talking about Wall Street investing in private business two blocks off of Main Street either. I’m not talking about crowd source funding or any other internet access funding during the open hours of the public library either. I’m talking about businesses started out of desperation on a shoestring to bring some money in. When that effort begins to succeed the government takes notice and the regulations either end the business or forces the owner into debt to comply. That is the system in place today throughout this nation.

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Mackeyser wrote:

Voter fraud is not real. Not in any way that matters.

Except to win.

“When the rich wage war it’s the poor who die.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre, Le Diable Et Le Bon Dieu

Amen.

Well to address all of your “Why should they” questions the answer is ALL OF THAT DOES HAPPEN HERE. It has happened for the last 100 years. Why you think the US is immune to all of that only you can answer. The rich from other nations do come here for more financial protection especially the well entrenched culture of private real estate ownership.

You may inveigh all you want about forcing the wealthy to pay a higher tax rate but they are free to leave and increasingly they do if not in person then their money. I prefer to make it a win win by giving them a strong tax incentive to invest in US job creation. That should be the goal. Meanwhile we have a government under the guise of homeland security that obstructs citizens from moving their wealth out of the country by onerous regulations on foreign banks, forcing domestic banks to report any cash transaction of $10,000 or even less, the confiscation of valuables by the TSA, etc.

One of the few growth industries we have are the wealthy building redoubts throughout flyover country as well as overseas. That has been going on for a decade and shows no sign of slowing down. With Snowdon’s revelations and the Nat. Defense AA our rights have been shredded and the ‘legal’ denial of freedom (your very life and at a minimum liberty) based upon political view hangs by a thread for so many americans. They want to push society into revolt to solidify their power. If you think it is bad now, just wait.

Wealth is already distributed via taxation. The problem is far too many people are not paying taxes or receive far more than they contribute. I see the problem as a lack of full time family of 4 supporting jobs. People can argue the social cultural BULLSHIT all they want and the establishment of both parties prefer that but that gets the nation where it is now, divided and incapable of addressing the real problems. The real problems are not which bathroom can a trans-human use.

JOBS. JOBS. More meaningful stable family supporting jobs. I believe people inherently want to work. I believe government should stop being a hindrance to job creation. In my town it is nearly impossible for a person to start a restaurant or operate a grocery or any number of brick and mortar business because of the extremely high cost to comply with the city regulations alone. Then theres the state regulations. So what happens is the national franchise chains take up the void and the money leaves the community. That money could provide opportunity locally but doesn’t. When Wal-Mart or Costco move into a town the local businesses close and wages fall while the cheap shit products from other nations are sold to ever poorer customers.

Regarding the wealthy and taxes paid, looking at it without class envy, why should they have to pay more than anyone else on a percentage basis? Of course they are the one group capable of paying more but the way to go about it should be more palatable to them. While graduated scale taxation is nothing new it shouldn’t stifle investment in the national economy. The only tax loopholes available should all be based upon US job creation.

Make it easier for people to go into business for themselves. This transcends race. All americans should be free to serve their community by operating their own business. That is how wealth is not only created but honestly redistributed throughout the economy.

People need to vote for the goal of fairness. Trump has tapped into this by saying Wall Street has taken unfair advantage and must be held to account. Corporations not paying their fair share of taxation must be addressed as well. The outsider movement of both parties is in response to politicians of both parties embracing “too big too fail” to the economic detriment of the average american. Secret trade deals that always give working americans the shaft.
have to end. Eliminating illegal immigration is such an obvious part of the solution to jobs since greater competition for entry level jobs denies citizens jobs and lowers wage rates for workers. So simple yet fodder for identity politics charges of racism.

The inequality is shocking and cannot continue if the middle class is to survive and thrive. Where I live there isn’t a great disparity of wealth on display as there is on the coasts. Of course on TV or the internet you can’t escape the marketing of class envy. But the economic pain is real and has been for a long time here and I’m in a town that has still faired better than those around it.

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Mackeyser wrote:

Actual voter fraud is not a thing.

Instances are so rare as to be inconsequential.

Facts matter.

Bullshit voter ID laws disenfranchise millions of voters across the country every year.

Actual fraud has barely exceeded single digits for the entire nation for the past few decades. And even if it were a few hundred… Compared to the few billion ballots… I’d rather worry about the MILLIONS who were ACTUALLY disenfranchised than the maybe tens or hundreds who might have committed election fraud.

It’s called scale.

Chicago Politics? Vote early vote often. The dead rise to vote. Nixon would disagree about your definition of scale regarding the 1960 election. Precincts where 100% voted for Obama. Motor/Voter which allows illegal aliens the vote. Voting machines that are easily manipulated to throw an election. Onerous and unnecessary hoops such as demanding registration by party affiliation many months in advance of the election. The fraud is real and it is endemic with both parties. Trump overcame the fraud in the primary campaign because he was always so far ahead in the polls state after state that the movement was not to be denied. Bernie had no chance.