Zooey wrote:

bnw wrote:

I challenged the veracity of his statement. He conceded the point. However your post is directed solely about me which is against the rules here.

It was directed at your rhetorical strategy (of throwing out red herrings) which is fair game.

And you didn’t succeed in challenging the veracity of anything Billy said. All you succeeded in doing was getting Billy to admit that alcohol and tobacco kill more people than guns. Which is completely irrelevant, however correct it may be, and however much anyone agrees with you that the numbers are correct. That doesn’t mean in any way that guns are not a problem, or that you succeeded in winning the argument that guns are over-regulated. Nobody conceded that.

You want to know some other things that kill fewer people than tobacco and alcohol?

Muslims.

Illegal Immigrants.

But, hey, you wouldn’t mind seeing a little more government action there, would you, bnw?

400,000 tobacco deaths a year.

In 2015, 19 people killed by terrorists in the US. But let’s support a candidate for president who wants to respond to Muslims with a policy equivalent to banning the manufacture of firearms altogether. Who wants to respond to illegal immigrants with a policy equivalent to rounding up all firearms and destroying them.

Oh…………..suddenly tobacco and alcohol numbers are completely irrelevant, huh? Because “that’s different.”

Yeah. That’s different.

Tobacco and alcohol are irrelevant to the gun conversation.

I questioned exaggeration which is routinely done around here. Odd you haven’t noticed. Hildabeast is slipping fast so I feel your pain. You’ve now doubled down on breaking the rules. Perhaps its rules for me but not thee?

Billy_T wrote:

bnw wrote:

Billy_T wrote:

bnw wrote:

Billy_T wrote:

I don’t think there is anyway around the fact that we have been insanely “liberal” in our gun policies, protecting the virtually unlimited purchase and usage of deadly pieces of metal. No other product gets this kind of pass on public safety concerns, and no other product kills or maims more often.

Use of tobacco and alcohol both kill and maim far more than private ownership of firearms.

We have strong regulations when it comes to tobacco and alcohol. Our gun regulations, OTOH, are extremely lax.

And, yes, tobacco is worse. Tobacco kills roughly 400,000 smokers a year, and more than 40,000 non-smokers, through secondhand smoke.

Alcohol is the fourth leading, preventable cause of death, at roughly 88,000 a year. Still trying to track down info on accidents.

Gun deaths and accidents combined number over 100,000 per year. Gun fatalities — accidents, homicides, suicides — come to roughly 33,000 a year.

Gun regulations are already far more stringent than those for either alcohol or tobacco.

We disagree about that. I think we’re about as far apart on this issue and can be. I see our gun laws as insanely lax and dangerously permissive. You see them as far too strict. There’s a Grand Canyon between us on this topic.

You always exaggerate this issue.

Billy_T wrote:

I don’t think there is anyway around the fact that we have been insanely “liberal” in our gun policies, protecting the virtually unlimited purchase and usage of deadly pieces of metal. No other product gets this kind of pass on public safety concerns, and no other product kills or maims more often.

Use of tobacco and alcohol both kill and maim far more than private ownership of firearms.

The reviewer lost me at the 26 second mark with his comment of “pretentious dribble”.

Assange hints the DNC leak came from DNC staffer Seth Rich who was murdered.

Billy_T wrote:

bnw wrote:

Same ole Candy Crawley moderator but in drag and black face last night. Argues against Trump about success of stop and frisk in NY, questions repeatedly about Trump minutia while never asking Hildabeast about Email scandal, Benghazi or the Clinton Foundation pay to play.

Stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional, and there is absolutely no evidence that it worked.

Holt, by the way, contrary to Trump’s claim, is a registered Republican.

There is no email scandal. It was always a nothingburger, trumped up by the GOP. If she hadn’t been running for the presidency, the GOP wouldn’t have bothered. Same with Benghazi, another phony “scandal.” Umpteen, endless hearings on both failed to produce any evidence of wrong-doing.

As mentioned before, the GOP forever makes shit up and avoids going after the Dems on legit issues, because they’re fully complicit in them. There is a TON to attack, but they can’t. Because it would implicate them too. So they have to manufacture bogus nonsense.

And today, the little baby Trump is trying to claim there was something wrong with his mic, and that this was done on purpose — even though for those of us listening and watching at home, both mics sounded the same. He never stops whining, being a spoiled, boorish child and bully, lying endlessly and showing his supreme ignorance.

He lost, fair and square.

Stop and Frisk worked great. Trump won the ‘debate’.

Same ole Candy Crawley moderator but in drag and black face last night. Argues against Trump about success of stop and frisk in NY, questions repeatedly about Trump minutia while never asking Hildabeast about Email scandal, Benghazi or the Clinton Foundation pay to play.

sdram wrote:

I’d perhaps watch if I had a button that would send a simulated dog collar type of shock-response to either of the debaters or the moderator whenever I felt like shocking the living fuck out of them.

Sweet! I want that too!

• This reply was modified 8 years, 1 month ago by bnw.

It isn’t a debate.

Very wordy and mostly BS. What the author ascribes to racism is actually classism.

wv wrote:

nittany ram wrote:

wv wrote:

I’m thinking of giving out plastic dinosaurs as well as candy this year.

w
v

Plastic dinosaurs?

Awesome.

Back when I was trick-or-treating your house would have been spared an egging or soaping for giving out plastic dinosaurs.

As long as I got a good one that is…like a T. rex or Triceratops.

If you gave me an Iguanodon or some other wimpy hadrosaur, you’d be pulling toilet paper out of your trees for a month.

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Well, i collect them all year long at the yard-sales and thrift stores i go to every week. Usually i can get a ‘bag of dinosaurs’ every so often for a dollar. Etc. I also have a bag of ‘super heroe’s and a bag of plastic football helmets — though, no-one is getting the Ram helmet. I’m keeping that one.

w
v

Make your own.
http://austinthompson.org/thingmaker/ToyMaxDinosaurs.shtm

Tulip poplar and black locust have been dropping leaves here for a month.