wv wrote:

bnw wrote:

Well the FDA is supposed to protect the public health and safety, no? The FDA could demand to see proof positive over a long period of time for adverse effects to public health, no? I deserve FULL CREDIT Professor Poopy Pants.

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I’m AGREEING with you on the half you got right. Yes, the government could demand to protect the citizens etc and so forth. Yes. They dont, but they should. (glad you agree we need big government btw )

But the private sector could ALSO care more about people instead of profit. THEY could also
be more responsible. (in europe they are that way). I mean why do you hold the governments feet to the fire, but you let the corpse off the hook?

This is my problem with people of the Right. Quick to see the flaws in Government. But they let the private sector off the hook.

w
v

Government need not be “big” for the FDA to do its job. Corps. do what the FDA allows. The FDA misleads the people as to what they really do which is not preventive but rather always reactive action. It always begins with what the FDA will allow. In the case of GMOs it is costing our export economy greatly and market forces may well end the large scale use of GMOs in our country.

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I agree. Good list. I’ve brought that stuff up before and it goes nowhere. By your numeral-

1. This I’ve mentioned before and PJB wrote about it in depth back in 2000 or so with his “A Republic Not An Empire”. Trump has addressed this as well with his threat to pull out of NATO if other members don’t pay their share of the defense cost. Trump also addresses this with the thousands of US troops still in Korea and the high cost of defending Japan and the Philippines and his desire to let them take a more active role in their own defense.

2. Again I have mentioned the Patriot Act many times and the outrageous N,DAA that allows torture and rendition and murder of US citizens deemed a threat without trial and without notification of kin. The black budget is funded by the narcocracy that helps bring things like ISIS into existence and pays for all the illegal spying on US citizens exposed by Snowden and Binney before him. Again, here it goes nowhere.

3. This is addressed by 1 and 2 and it is in part a result of a massive US arms industry that bolsters our export trade. Unfortunately it also perpetuates a revolving door of military officers retiring to work for defense contractors to further use their influence on ever more expensive and over budget and behind schedule programs that fail to deliver the effectivness promised when funds were first appropriated. Trump has outlined his plan to end the revolving door of military officers and congressmen to contractors that sticks the american public with high costs and failed systems.

4. Billy and I have gone back and forth at times on this and it is a major point of his he has addressed in depth and eloquently albeit misguidedly IMO.

5. Well you know where I stand on a lot of this stuff.

6. I have deliberately not posted about the most recent revelations about the massive vote fraud in this country since the election isn’t over. However I suggest going to http://www.blackboxvoting.org to learn the latest on this type of voting fraud.

It is the apocalypse.

Billy_T wrote:

bnw wrote:

No you face it. I’ve been right from the get go about this election. Funny how shrill you are when Hildabeast’s touted 14 point lead has now evaporated into a Trump lead. Guess what? I don’t even believe the new poll numbers. I believe Trump is even further ahead.

Shrill? Oh, come on, bnw. Nothing shrill about anything I’ve said.

And how on earth have you “been right from the get go about this election”? In what way? Because you’ve rooted for a Trump victory all along? So? You may have noticed how often it’s changed this past year. Being a stopped clock doesn’t prove anything.

Yes, shrill since you’ve been declaring the end of the world and other nonsense should Trump win. You were not alone either. Absolutely because I’ve picked Trump very early on specifically because of his relevant message. I’ve never believed the polls that claimed he was behind because they were weighted against him with far more democrats. None of you would believe a Trump lead nationally with 6 days to go but I always have. His movement is real and it is transformative. It is what this nation desperately needs.

Billy_T wrote:

bnw wrote:

wv wrote:

— X — wrote:

Despicable.

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Yup. Totally.

But so is Trump and the Repugnants. Sigh.

Jill Stein is my pick, dude. Yall can waste yer votes on the corrupt twosome all
you want

w
v

You always do that. This is on Hildabeast not Trump. When you find that Trump was given the debate questions then equate the two candidates, not before. Hildabeast and her campaign cheated at the debates. Even CNN won’t carry her water on this one. She really was prepared for the debates.

Um, no, WV doesn’t always do that. But he has every right to. Unlike you, he doesn’t support either half of the empire/money/war party. He doesn’t support either of the lying, cheating, stealing candidates. But you do. You dismiss mountains of evidence against Trump, but jump on every tinfoil, Alex Jonesy paranoid freak-out claim about the Dems and the Clintons. It’s beyond just one-sided with you, bnw. From what I’ve read, you truly believe Trump can do no wrong and is perfect in every way. He’s your messiah.

WV and the rest of us leftists on this board can’t stand either party, and we’re able to step back and really see them — and the two candidates — for what they are. You can’t. Your blind hatred for the Dems, Clinton and anyone NOT right-wing — “liberalism is a mental disorder,” you keep saying — along with your incredibly gullible, unquestioning support for Trump, skews your take on this election beyond belief.

When you stop dismissing the mountainous evidence against your bro, Trump, and actually give it a fair hearing, we can begin to have a decent, adult conversation on this topic. When you stop resorting to far-right, paranoid fringe nonsense about your political opponents, we get even closer to that.

That’s my take on the matter. You have your own, of course.

You’re wrong as usual. I have noted Trump’s warts before as in his being a pig, his blind support for Israel, his support for the Patriot act. But unlike Hildabeast he isn’t a treasonous self enriching exploiter of human misery ala Haitian relief. He isn’t a CRIMINAL. He hasn’t rigged the entire political establishment to do his bidding like the Clinton Crime Syndicate.

wv wrote:

— X — wrote:

Despicable.

———–
Yup. Totally.

But so is Trump and the Repugnants. Sigh.

Jill Stein is my pick, dude. Yall can waste yer votes on the corrupt twosome all
you want

w
v

You always do that. This is on Hildabeast not Trump. When you find that Trump was given the debate questions then equate the two candidates, not before. Hildabeast and her campaign cheated at the debates. Even CNN won’t carry her water on this one. She really was prepared for the debates.

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— X — wrote:

TSRF wrote:

BTW, X; are the mountains in NC still considered the Smokies, or is that just SC and GA? I have a sister who lives in Norther GA, and I flew into Spartanburg, SC and rented a car and drove. Frigging beautiful area; bootlegger heaven from what I’ve been told.

Best of luck to all of us.

Yessir. Here’s the view near Asheville.

We spend a lot of time hiking the Blue Ridge too. There’s a spot up near Graveyard Fields that has the most magnificent spot to camp. Fire pit, right on the edge of a babbling stream, 360 mountain views, and about a half mile from the lower falls. Just gotta keep an eye out for the bears.

That reminds me of Clingman’s Dome.
http://www.visitmysmokies.com/blog/smoky-mountains/temporary-clingmans-dome-closure/

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• This reply was modified 8 years ago by bnw.

— X — wrote:

bnw wrote:

— X — wrote:

wv wrote:

Billy loathes Hillary, X. Just so you know. Not sure you know that.

I didn’t.

I was just giving my opinion based on the only two realistic choices.
But kudos to Billy for being on the right side of that one.

Billy loathes Hildabeast so much he wants people to vote for her.

Well, in a perfect world, the debates would have been between Bernie, Jill Stein, Rand Paul, and Mike Pence. Gary Johnson just doesn’t do it for me, so I uninvited him.

Of that group I like Rand Paul most.

Billy_T wrote:

Joe,

Personally, I think both parties are guilty of major crimes against humanity that tragically aren’t considered “criminal” at all. The endless wars, coups, propping up of dictators, the mass surveillance, the persecution of dissidents, Native peoples, the destruction of the environment, etc. etc. Both parties. Going back nearly two centuries.

But if we’re talking in strictly legal terms, and we focus on the (bogus) email “scandal,” there is no “crime” there. That would take intent. Clinton would have to be found guilty of intentionally sending classified information to people without clearance.

Intent.

Without that, she’s not guilty of a crime, according to our legal system. Extreme carelessness? Yeah, that’s likely. Serious negligence regarding communications and IT matters? Yeah, likely. Arrogance and a sense of privilege? I’d say definitely. But a “crime” under our legal codes? There just isn’t any evidence for that. So far, at least.

As mentioned before, the GOP has hounded Clinton about nothingburgers for decades now. They’ve stayed away from the real horrors, the real crimes against humanity, because they’re at least as guilty as she is, if not moreso.

Trump was never the answer for what ails us. He’s a major part of the problem, and his close connection to the Alt-Right makes him even more odious than the Clintons. It puts him in or all too near the fascist camp to ever be president, in my view.

You are wrong about intent. Especially in regards to classified materials. I’ve told you this repeatedly but I guess the FBI doesn’t have enough to do so reopened the email investigation?

— X — wrote:

wv wrote:

Billy loathes Hillary, X. Just so you know. Not sure you know that.

I didn’t.

I was just giving my opinion based on the only two realistic choices.
But kudos to Billy for being on the right side of that one.

Billy loathes Hildabeast so much he wants people to vote for her.

Nice find!

Billy_T wrote:

bnw wrote:

Billy_T wrote:

Boiled down, the idea that the dominant religion or its adherents are under some kind of assault from “the PC crowd” just has no basis in reality. It’s an major overreaction to serial exaggerations, based on ludicrous hyperbole, ginned up by media and organizations that make very nice livings playing the grievance game. White, Christian, male, right-wing grievance is a thriving industry in America, and it shows no signs of abating. And nothing can compete with it for media and financial power, or support from the billionaire boys’ club.

Oh so that is why all those states that voted against “Gay Marriage” had the Justice dept. suing them and winning in the US Supreme Court!

That is why Merry Christmas has been replaced by Happy Holidays.

That is why God has been removed from government buildings. Many more.

I know this is a waste of time, but, here goes:

Banning gay marriage was found to be “un-Constitutional.” How on earth is that supposed to be an assault on Christianity, especially when millions of Christians favor that ruling? How on earth is it supposed to be an assault on Christianity when Jesus never mentions same-sex relations or marriage? Not once. Ever. Nor did he ever speak of abortion or contraception, while we’re at it.

You confuse far-right bigotry with “Christianity.”

And no one has replaced Merry Christmas with Happy Holidays. There has been no ruling or law passed regarding that. Where I live, I hear Merry Christmas constantly, and no one is hauled off to jail. It’s actually “PC” to say that here. It’s un-PC to say “Happy Holidays.”

Beyond that, who cares? How on earth does a greeting at a store or on TV have anything whatsoever to do with one’s ability to practice their chosen faith? It doesn’t. It has less than zero impact on you or any other practicing Christian. You’re still free to say it as often as you like. Or do you just want to force others to say it too? Is that your problem? Is it an “assault” on a right-wing Christian’s ability to force others to use the same terms they do?

American governments can not establish religion. It’s in the Constitution and the BOR. You should read them sometimes. That means you shouldn’t name any deities on public property. That means that governments should never be in the business of promoting, supporting, choosing or expressing religious content of any kind. It’s secular space. You have millions of churches, all over the country, for that purpose.

Your vision is losing. It has had its fun for decades at the expense of those who disagree and were always denied a voice. Trump represents a giant middle finger to the PC nazis and their revisionism. Make America Great Again!

Alt right! Alt right! Alt right! The new “Cry wolf!”

Billy_T wrote:

Boiled down, the idea that the dominant religion or its adherents are under some kind of assault from “the PC crowd” just has no basis in reality. It’s an major overreaction to serial exaggerations, based on ludicrous hyperbole, ginned up by media and organizations that make very nice livings playing the grievance game. White, Christian, male, right-wing grievance is a thriving industry in America, and it shows no signs of abating. And nothing can compete with it for media and financial power, or support from the billionaire boys’ club.

Oh so that is why all those states that voted against “Gay Marriage” had the Justice dept. suing them and winning in the US Supreme Court!

That is why Merry Christmas has been replaced by Happy Holidays.

That is why God has been removed from government buildings. Many more.