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  • in reply to: Rebecca Solnit on the Trump-Putin network #137168
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    Same caveat goes for the Salon article. Lotsa links within the article, so it’s best read on the site.

    in reply to: Gabo: Creation of Gabriel Garcia Marquez #137167
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    I missed this until just now, WV. Still have about 20 minutes left. Fascinating.

    I read several of Garcia Marquez’s novels when I was younger, and some of his short stories, but never really delved into his politics. Of course, in general, most of the writers of the Latin American “Boom” period were leftists, but there were exceptions. Some of them moved across the spectrum over time, too, usually from left to right, unfortunately. I think (but am not sure) that was the case for Octavio Paz and Mario Vargas Llosa, whom I met at a book-signing years and years ago. Though Jorge Luis Borges, if memory serves, remained a conservative, but was basically “apolitical” for the most part.

    It’s interesting that most of them could retain their friendships, despite major political differences. I imagine that would not be the case if they were coming of age today.

    Thanks for posting this.

     

    in reply to: Rebecca Solnit on the Trump-Putin network #137166
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    Thought it would add to the above to also post the latest from Chauncey Devega,

    https://www.salon.com/2022/03/02/how-supremacy-fuels-the-love-affair-with-vladimir-putin/

    How white supremacy fuels the Republican love affair with Vladimir Putin
    The American right’s romance with Putin is no mystery: Trumpers see him as leading a global war for whiteness
    By Chauncey DeVega
    Published March 2, 2022 6:01AM (EST)

    Racism is not an opinion. It is a fact.

    This is true both in the United States and around the world.

    As W.E.B. Du Bois presciently wrote in 1903, the problem of the 20th century is the problem of the color line. That is true in the 21st century as well, even if the context has changed — and that could remain true in the 22nd century as well (assuming humanity survives that long).

    Racism and white supremacy continue to structure American society, largely by privileging some groups (those defined as “white”) and disadvantaging others (especially those deemed “Black,” but other nonwhites as well). These outcomes are the aggregate result of individual, systemic and institutional discrimination and other forms of racial animus. This has been a fixture of American life and society since before the founding of the republic through to the post-civil rights era and now the Age of Trump and a 21st-century form of fascism. In practice, racism and white supremacy are a “changing same,” constantly adapting over time to fit American society in support of the maintenance and expansion of white privilege, white power and white control.
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    Racial attitudes and values help to structure how Americans, particularly white Americans, feel about both domestic politics and foreign policy. For example, it is no surprise, and really no mystery — as some members of the mainstream news media and commentariat appear to believe — why many Republicans and other members of the white right defend or even embrace Vladimir Putin and his war in Ukraine. This is readily explainable: The Russian president is viewed by them as a champion of “conservative values” and the possibility of a return to what they have deluded themselves into believing was a “golden age” of white male Christian dominance over all areas of American (and global) society.

    Putin’s politics, values and strategic goals, at least in a general sense, largely align with those of today’s Republican-fascist movement and the larger white right. Taken together, they are a global front aimed at undermining or destroying pluralism and multiracial democracy.

    Robert Reich summarizes this in a new essay for the Guardian, where he writes: “The Trump-led Republican party does not openly support Putin, but the Republican party’s animus toward democracy is expressed in ways familiar to Putin and other autocrats. … Make no mistake: Putin’s authoritarian neo-fascism has rooted itself in America.”

    Writing at Jewish Currents, David Klion explores this further:

    On the right, leading voices like Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, and Donald Trump himself have been more likely to offer actual defenses of Putin and Russia. … But there’s also a deeper ideological affinity between the Western far right and Putin’s Russia, one that emphasizes Russia’s Christianness and whiteness, its hostility to LGBTQ minorities, and its potential role as a bulwark against China, which many on the right view as 21st century America’s true geopolitical rival.

    In an essay last Sunday for the New York Times, Emily Tamkin discusses the right’s preoccupation with Putin’s supposed “strength”:
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    “Strong” may be the key word here. In this construction, a strong leader is apparently one who cracks down on opposition, cultural and political, and does not concede. This idea then dovetails with right-wing ideas that liberal elites are actively corroding deeply held traditional values — including traditional gender roles. For those who spend a fair amount of airtime worrying about the emasculation of men, the kind of strength portrayed by Mr. Putin — who on Monday convened his top security officials and demanded they publicly stand and support him — is perhaps appealing.

    Many of the admirers of the world’s strongmen on the American right appear to believe that the countries each of these men lead are beacons of whiteness, Christianity and conservative values. …

    These comments, from the right, aren’t exactly advancing a new position. In 2018, the political commentator Pat Buchanan said that Mr. Putin and the Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko were “standing up for traditional values against Western cultural elites.” …

    Russia is neither all white nor all Christian — it is a country that encompasses several regions, religions and ethnicities. Still, it is often perceived as white. … [T]his construction of Mr. Putin as a beacon of far-right values began with the ultra-far-right nationalists in Europe and later spread to the United States.

    James Risen is even more direct in a recent essay for the Intercept:
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    [Putin’s] brutal invasion of Ukraine is just the latest move in his long-running strategy to rebuild the Russian empire by any means necessary. But while Putin hasn’t strayed from his obsessions of 30-plus years ago, the U.S. Republican Party has been comprehensively altered into something that would have been unrecognizable in 1989. Today, much of the American right is in thrall to Putin and other autocrats, and a segment of the extreme right now harbors a hatred for Western democracy. The new American right somehow sees Putin as a guardian of white nationalism who will stand up to the “woke” left in the West. They don’t seem to care that he is a murderous dictator who has launched a war in the middle of Europe. …

    But while other Republicans in Congress denounced Putin’s invasion, they refused to criticize Trump or other Putin sympathizers in their party. That follows the usual pattern within the GOP, in which establishment politicians try to ignore Trump — only to be overshadowed and eventually overwhelmed by him. …

    In the United States, meanwhile, perhaps the biggest political question in the aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is whether the Trumpist wing of the Republican Party will continue its sympathy for and appeasement of Putin. For now, it seems likely that pro-Putin Republicans will continue to allow their hatred for progressives and adherence to white nationalism to blind them to what Putin really is.

    These observations help to highlight three foundational realities about American politics and the color line in the post-civil rights era and the Age of Trump. The first of those is that today’s Republican Party is America’s and the world’s largest white supremacist and white identity organization.
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    The second is that “conservatism” and racism are now fully one and the same thing here in America.

    The third is that on a fundamental level Trumpism and American neofascism are nothing new. Instead, they represent a continuation of evil forces that have long been present in American society — and show few signs of being vanquished. Ever since the invention of “race” as a concept in or around the 15th century, white supremacy and racism have been a global project. In America today, the Republican Party and “conservative” movement are the leading proponents of such anti-human ideas and values — and are wholly invested in perpetuating and strengthening them far into the future.

     

     

    in reply to: Ukraine #137139
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    If you disagree with me, it’s because you were never a real Rams fan.

    No one can call themselves a true Rams fan if they don’t acknowledge the game-changing impact of Billy Truax — and that includes the Super Bowl this season.  Aaron Donald? Sure. But without the foundation put in place by Billy Truax, none of this would have been possible.

    Back to Ukraine for a moment:

    Part of the calculus for any act of war: If we don’t do this, X will happen. But there’s another huge part that all too often is discounted: If we do go to war, what are the consequences?

    I think, going in, Putin had to know that the world would react in a seriously negative manner. He likely didn’t foresee the extent or the solidarity of reactions — Switzerland’s break with neutrality, and all the sports, tech, and entertainment bans, for instance. But he must have known he would be largely isolated and it would hurt him financially. He also must have known that NATO would then have no reason to ever hold back from further expansion. The “if you expand, I will attack” card is gone after he invades.

    To make a long story shorter, I personally can’t see any “upside” for him or Russia, thinking in pre-war terms. None. Zero. Zip. And that’s not even counting the most important downside, the massive loss of life and health that doesn’t seem to ever end after a war. He and Russia lose a ton, and his best case scenario is that he puts a Russian puppet in charge of Ukraine, while the entire world is unified in opposition. NATO has support now to do the very thing Putin said was a threat to Russia. As in, his invasion will cause more NATO expansion. Plus, the EU drops Putin like a bad dream. As in, things are far worse for Putin and Russia after even a “successful” invasion.

     

     

     

    in reply to: Ukraine #137110
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    WV,

    Good response. And spiced up with some of your ™humor too. That’s needed right now.

    My earlier long and winded road, regarding capitalism: I think if I hadn’t written it, I wouldn’t know what the hell I was saying either.

    ;>)

    Basically, on your earlier question about ultimate responsibility for the invasion: Yes, capitalism. It creates an entirely artificial climate of bottom-up competition for jobs and scarce resources, to go with the top-down stuff that’s always been there. It’s likely the first economic system in history that developed its own gaslighting infrastructure to create (a mostly successful) buy-in from the masses.

    Capitalism depends on that, unlike any previous system. It has to create a climate where people think they’re involved with this crap by choice, instead of via a matrix of force and dire necessity. This also leads to our being pitted against each other, and seeing this as “natural” when it’s not. That gets us closer to accepting war too. The concept of the nation-state does some heavy lifting along those lines as well. But it’s mostly the global economic system.

    My take on Ukraine, however, is that this is a specific event, with specific moral agents involved, and only one of them can say No. Putin had the power to just say No. We’re not going to invade. We’re going to hold good-faith talks with Zelensky and company and try to persuade him to stay out of NATO, if that’s our desire. Not via threats — which is all Putin has done for two decades — but through actual negotiations.

    In my view, this specific case is entirely on Putin. He didn’t have to invade. Nothing forced him to, except for his own lust to extend his already gargantuan nation-state.

    in reply to: Ukraine #137108
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    WV,

    Saw that I dealt with similar questions yesterday, in the 9:11am post. Reading that one should make my recent answer a bit clearer.

    Would appreciate a response. Hope all is well.

     

    in reply to: Ukraine #137107
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    Also, I’m not seeing any formal agreement by NATO to accept Putin’s demand to block new countries from joining. He made the demand. Doesn’t mean NATO agreed to it.

    And this aspect bothers me as well: I think the authors who tried to equate NATO’s expansion with Putin’s invasion — or say the former justifies the latter — need to re-calibrate their moral compasses. Nation-states that willingly join an association aren’t in the same universe as nation-states that seek to block that at the point of a gun. There is an obvious moral and ethical distinction between the former Warsaw Pact countries choosing to join NATO, and Putin’s gobbling up Georgia, Crimea, and now Ukraine. I would think this would be easy for leftists. Condemn Putin’s actions, full stop.

    in reply to: Ukraine #137106
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    ======== Cant say I understand any of that, BT. w v

    I guess it is a bit long-winded. Will try to boil it down.

    I’m seeing, especially since 2015/2016, an inordinate amount of energy spent (from some on the left) trying to “understand” Russia’s actions — and by extension, Trump’s. This can take the form of absolute denial that things we know happened ever happened. Or it may just be jumping through endless hoops trying to excuse it, or just saying none of it matters. This all too often lines up perfectly with GOP talking points, Fox News, and Putin’s propaganda, etc. etc. These same people do not spent one iota of time trying to “understand” the actions of people and entities on the other “side(s).

    I would get it if the same attempt to “understand” was evenly applied, or its opposite: condemnations of all sides without explanations. But I do not get the lopsided nature of the critique, nor do I get why Putin and Trump are the objects being defended in the first place. As mentioned, I would if “leftists” were fighting on behalf of the oppressed, the powerless, the earth, or their champions — as per leftist tradition. But Putin is a far-right dictator, and quite possibly the world’s richest man. Trump is a billionaire too. Both men are in direct opposition to every leftist stance on the books, and Trump and his party, especially, constantly demonize the entire left.

    in reply to: Ukraine #137088
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    The critique of western europe and north america (and China) combined in terms of world colonial, economic, and technological effect is of course something you can count on everyone here agreeing with.

    Yep. The whole post, but this especially.

    in reply to: Ukraine #137087
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    Quick follow-up:

    I should have mentioned This Life, by Martin Hägglund. I think his book’s philosophical/social analysis is one of the best I’ve encountered, and the closest to my own sense of what should be and why.

    Martin Hägglund’s This Life

    in reply to: Ukraine #137084
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    The fear expansion of Euro-American hegemony, though. .

    Which is only the case because they want their own expanded hegemony. ..

    === I could not disagree more. I see NATO as a terrorist organization seeking hegemony, in service of a capitalist system that has condemned all life on Earth to doom. 🙂 w v

    I agree with you about capitalism’s effects, and want it all gone — via non-violent, democratic change. No remnants. Replaced by an updated, future-proofed version out of Kropotkin and Morris, with a bit of James C. Scott thrown in for good measure. But I think your comment points to my earlier questions.

    Your condemnation of NATO is absolute and immediate, without any attempt to try to figure out its possible rationales, or any sequence of cause and effect through the decades. It just flat out condemns NATO.

    When it comes to Russia, however, or some other entity seen as in opposition to the West, ginormous energy is expended by some to “explain” their actions, present rationales, or even dismiss the idea that they’ve done what has been claimed.

    Again, I would understand this a lot more if the people and entities involved really were “oppositional” to capitalism and its effects. If they were champions of the planet and its people across the globe. But that’s not Russia, and that’s not Trump, obviously. If anything, they’re even more intensely on Team Exploitation/Waste/Pollution, and they share that white supremacy/anti-LGBTQ “base.”

     

    in reply to: Ukraine #137079
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    ZN,

    Off topic: Just tried to post a new thread on the latest IPCC climate report. Stuck in moderation. May be the report/link is a pdf.

    in reply to: Ukraine #137076
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    My edit to the above didn’t make it into the post:

    I see the large red letters and am absolutely behind “condemn war everywhere!” But, it’s typically not done every time a new flashpoint tragedy hits the globe. If it were done, that would weaken the effect of reportage on each individual flashpoint/horror/atrocity. Humans have only so much empathy/compassion to give at any one moment in time. Spread it out, everywhere, all at once, and it’s going to be drastically watered down.

    Give all of those individual shocks their due, in context, in depth. It generally doesn’t work to merge them all together as one, every time the hammer comes down on humanity and the planet, etc.

    in reply to: Ukraine #137075
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    Zooey,

    My take on that “redfish” map? It seems like “whataboutism” in the service of getting people to shut up about Russian aggression. It doesn’t strike me as “Yes, we need to condemn Russia’s aggression, full-stop, along with all the other wars and coups and economic imperialism and environmental destruction happening right now!” If it were, there wouldn’t be all the labored attempts to rationalize Russia’s invasion. The same kind of “it’s just wrong” approach would apply.

    in reply to: Ukraine #137072
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    Tilting at windmills: Clicking on the author’s link to Zooey’s revamped article, I bumped into a mention of Jimmy Dore. Couldn’t help thinking then about all the efforts by Dore, Greenwald, Mate, and a few others to explain, dismiss, justify, and in effect support Russian aggression against other nations, going back to its election interference at least. All too often, they use the same language as Trump and the GOP to do it. This, at least indirectly, aids and abets the far-right Trump, the far-right Putin, and their supporters.

    Listening to music as I walked yesterday, politics kept intruding. Probably because it was a curated station with lots of antiwar music from the 1960s and 70s. So Zazen died and I zoomed out and thought: These same folks never apply any of that energy to explaining, justifying, or dismissing actions taken by America or NATO, especially if it involves those evil “corporate Dems.” Not that they should. But they don’t.

    Just an assumed, unquestioned condemnation of the US, with a particular focus on the Dems and the (GOP’s invented) “deep state.” Zero effort is made to figure out why they act as they do. No endless explanations of “Well, X did this to Y 20 years ago, and Z is seen as a threat here, cuz A, B, and C.” It’s just instant judgment, instant blanket condemnation, and zero fucks given. Russia? “We’re going to dig and dig until we find something to justify their violent aggression!”

    This has always puzzled me to no end. Not because of the critique of US policy. I get that and share most of it with them. US/corporate policy pisses me off to no end and drives me up the wall. And I’ve worked hard to study it, and studying that makes me angrier and angrier. I’m puzzled because the critique is so selectively applied, and all too often in the service of far-right individuals and entities. I’m puzzled because the same drive to explain is never there for the US and the West in general, especially if it involves “corporate Dems.”

    As already mentioned, I favor the “a pox on all their houses” approach, but if there is going to be a concerted effort to find all the cause and effect routes through history, it’s disingenuous to limit those efforts to just Russia — and by extension, Trump. And since the people in question are supposedly “leftists,” one would think they would have chosen fellow leftists to champion, not far-right sociopaths. One would think they’d focus their time and energy supporting the powerless, the oppressed, the truly needy — per leftist tradition — not Russian oligarchs and American billionaires.

    I think we leftists need to at least question their assumptions, their intentions, motives, and analyses — if for no other reason than the obvious lopsidedness of their critique.

    in reply to: Ukraine #137071
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    I did explain that stance though. As I see it, no one in their right mind believes that NATO is an aggressive force capable of using military might to acquire territory. NATO is not going to invade anyone. And that’s regardless what you think of NATO. Putin, on the other hand, sees NATO as threatening his own aggressive interests in re-acquiring the lost portions of the old USSR’s eastern European empire. Not that different from Serbia trying to grab what it could from the collapse of Yugoslavia. Russia is not threatened by NATO. Russian imperial expansion is threatened by NATO. I honestly believe that all stands to reason and in fact, to me, it seems like it is completely obvious. Anyway. What Putin “sees as a threat” is of no interest to me, except that it explains his pathologies as a right-wing dictator. To me, it’s like a domestic abuser who believes people calling him on his violence means they are aggressively threatening to harm an innocent person.

    Yeah, I don’t think they fear a ground invasion of NATO. The fear expansion of Euro-American hegemony, though. NATO can take over countries without firing a shot.

    Think about the sequence here, though. Russia invades, then NATO, fractured under Trump, unites. Before Russia invaded, they had all kinds of deals with Europe, with more in the pipeline, literally.

    Russia invades and there are consequences. Russia had nothing to fear from NATO unless it invaded. This reminds me of the old joke:

    “Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this!” Patient raises his arm high above his head.

    “Don’t do that.”

    in reply to: Ukraine #137051
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    Zooey,

    Thanks for taking the time and trouble to clean up that article. Will dig in after I get back from a walk.

    in reply to: Ukraine #137050
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    ======= BT, I dont see ‘anyone’ on ‘this’ board ‘defending’ the invasion. Some of us are ‘explaining’ why he invaded. Thats not the same as saying “its ok” or “defending” it. Its the same as ‘explaining’ why the US invaded Iraq. We can talk about Oil, and Power and Privatization, and Geo-Capitalist-Politics — but that doesnt mean we are ‘defending’ the invasion of Iraq. The ‘explanations’ I’ve seen about why Putin invaded seem accurate to me. (and they have nothing to do with ‘nazis’ — thats just an obvious cover story, with grains of truth to this or that degree) Why do YOU think he invaded? w v

    Never said any of you defended the invasion. I’m referring to some of the articles posted, and a general sense of what some on the left — again, people with audiences (like Chris Hedges) — tend to do in recent times. I thought that was understood, going in.

    If we’re just talking about Putin’s possible motives, I think it’s mostly cuz he thinks he can. That he knows he has the military to do it, and he wants to expand his already massive borders. It’s a power grab, quite literally, at least in the form of regime change, for starters.

    Basically, I agree with ZN’s post from 1:15pm. I’d add that this does seem all the more WTF, happening more than 20 years after the USSR died. Good comparison with Yugoslavia: the resultant wars and other forms of mayhem mostly occurred rapidly after that — within a few years, primarily.

    I’ll throw my own question into the hat: Is it possible that some analysts are making this more complex than it really is? Again, Putin has been in power for 22 years. No one in power for that long is likely to be a particularly “rational” actor. King, queen, emperor, CEO, or football coach. They’re a good bit on their way to some form of sociopathology, if not drowning in it — with rare exceptions. Is it possible that we’re all working too hard to figure this out?

    in reply to: Ukraine #137031
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    in reply to: Ukraine #137029
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    Putting one of the pics here, so it won’t upset the software:

    Tens of thousands of people gather in Tiergarten park to protest the ongoing war in Ukraine on Feb. 27, 2022 in Berlin. (Sean Gallup/Getty Images)

    in reply to: Ukraine #137037
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    I suggested you clean it up first by posting it in a place that strips the code first.

    In case anyone missed it, this is a good software program for doing the above, and it’s free:

    https://notepad-plus-plus.org/

    in reply to: Ukraine #137034
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    A site for articles you may not be able to get to.

    https://www.printfriendly.com/

    Isn’t helpful for cut and paste, but it makes most of the articles accessible/readable.

    Guessing you guys have noticed this for some time, the inverted progression of access to news: Everything, to certain articles, to limited numbers, to two, to one, to none without a subscription. Used to be workarounds, like clearing cache and cookies, but they’ve mostly been closed off at the pass. The one listed above will likely have a short life too.

    in reply to: Ukraine #137033
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    I’m just not buying the legitimacy of their feeling threatened enough to start a war.

    I don’t, either. It seems far more likely to me that Russia is worried about Ukraine emerging as a competitor in the European natural gas market. Ukraine’s emergence as a significant supplier of natural gas would come at Russia’s expense. That, to me, makes the most sense of anything I’ve seen.

    Makes sense to me, too.

    Of course, if we invested a ton in Solar, Wind, etc. etc. . . . we could make all of it irrelevant. And if we don’t, we Sapiens won’t survive much into the 22nd century.

    in reply to: Ukraine #137028
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    Tragic irony:

    Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has provoked a far more united NATO and possibly the biggest build-up in defense by Germany in more than 70 years . . .

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/27/europe-germany-defense-russia-ukraine/

    excerpt:

    As over 100,000 rally for Ukraine, Germany announces vast defense spending increase that may upend European security policy

    German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Sunday announced a major increase in the country’s defense spending, marking one of the most significant changes in decades to the country’s post-World War II approach to security and possibly upending European defense policy.

    German lawmakers were still debating the plans as over 100,000 protesters assembled just a few meters away in front of the Brandenburg Gate to rally for peace. The scale of the protest — one of the largest in years — took authorities by surprise, and provided a visible display of just how deeply Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has shaken Germans this week.

    Germany, Europe’s biggest economy and the most populous nation in the E.U., had long frustrated the United States and allies across the continent with its hesitation to invest more in its military. Its stance obstructed numerous attempts to formulate a more ambitious European security strategy, including repeated efforts from French President Emmanuel Macron to form a European army.

     

     

    in reply to: Ukraine #137026
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    Thanks, Zooey. Maps help. Though I think the angle of that one distorts the situation a bit. It makes the surrounding countries look bigger than they really are, relative to Russia. It’s actually, as you know, massive. No nation comes close to it in size.

    I’m just not buying the legitimacy of their feeling threatened enough to start a war. It’s sheer paranoia, IMO, though it at least has the benefit of actual geographical proximity. US invasions of Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. . . . can’t claim even that much.

    (Listening to Country Joe McDonald, among other 1960/70s classics, as I write this . . .)

    Again, my hobby horse: We can’t let “we do it too” stop us from condemning the indefensible.

    in reply to: Ukraine #137024
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    Quick follow-up:

    Putin has ruled for (I think) 22 years now. He’s nearly 70.

    My gut sense is that serious aspirations to rule a corporation or country already hint at likely sociopathic tendencies — to some degree. All kinds of psych studies tell us that holding power warps the mind and does serious damage to our moral compasses. It actually takes great effort to mitigate for any of that. The given is that power strips us of empathy, compassion, and overall solidarity with our fellow humans — again, to various degrees. It’s not logical to believe Putin has become more compassionate, rational, or wise with the years.

    in reply to: Ukraine #137023
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    I haven’t seen the “Putin is a lunatic” narrative until recently. If anything, the usual Western story was to paint him as a master chess player, a kind of brilliant Bond villain of sorts. Fear him because he’s diabolically clever, etc. Yes, I know that’s overgeneralizing, but, I’m trying to save some space here.

    I think the beginnings of the “lunatic” arc are coming (mostly) from long-time state department folks who have known Putin for two decades. They’re saying they see a different person now, and they found his recent speech ominous, with its mendacious accusations that the Jewish Zelensky is a Nazi, etc. Putin also threatened nuclear war. Nuclear war. If that doesn’t get the “lunatic” rating, I’m not sure what should.

    I’m also not sympathetic to the various calls to rationalize Putin’s actions based on encroachment on Russia’s borders. It exists on land conquered over centuries of empire-building — as is the case with the US too, of course (but in a more compressed manner). Russia went from centuries of a Czarist empire where it violently gobbled up its neighbors, to an all too brief flash of leftist democracy, with great hopes of breaking up that empire, to an absolute betrayal of that left-populist revolution and a new consolidation. Then, with the end of the USSR, it still retained most of the original Romanov lands, shedding relatively little, which Putin has tried to gobble up again, here and there. He’s ruled as an uber-capitalist kleptocrat, and far-right ideologue, and funds far-right movements all across the globe. He’s the darling of the far-right in America now, especially its growing Trumpist wing. We’re living in the Twilight Zone.

    For me, this is an easy call. We’re all Ukrainians now.

    in reply to: Ukraine #136995
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    Coupla more articles over at Jacobin worth reading.

    This is an interview that focuses primarily on Russia and Putin, and puts events in context:

    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2022/02/russia-navalny-billionaires-west-democracy-repression

    The Putin Regime Is Straining Under Its Own Contradictions
    An interview with
    Ilya Matveevhttps://www.jacobinmag.com/2022/02/antiwar-movement-uk-ukraine-russia-nato

    Socialists Fight for a Future Without War

    By
    Ronan Burtenshaw

    Excerpt from the latter:

    War is nothing but organized killing, and there can be no justification for it. Today we must do what we can to support Ukrainian refugees and to show our solidarity with the brave protesters across Russia who insist that war is not carried out in their name.A wounded woman stands outside a hospital after the bombing of the eastern Ukrainian town of Chuguiv on February 24, 2022, as Russian armed forces attack the country.

    There is no force more destructive in human society than war. With every day and every mile it advances, it tears apart the fabric of life around it. Schools close, transport stops, the streets empty, and that is the deep breath before the plunge. When the wave itself arrives, it brings with it fear like few of us who do not live in war zones can truly understand: the sounds of bombs, the images of destruction in places just minutes from your home, then the sight of blood and injury and death. In the end, that is what war is: organized killing.

    That is the reality facing millions of people across Ukraine today. It is brutal and tragic and heartbreaking in equal measure. There should be no equivocation on the Left in condemning Vladimir Putin’s invasion and the murder it brings in its wake. Context matters when it comes to conflict, but there can be no justification for sending tanks and planes into a sovereign country. It is a historic crime. We must do what we can to support the Ukrainian refugees who are its victims, and to show our solidarity with the brave protesters in cities across Russia who insist that it is not carried out in their name.

    Today, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, elected with an overwhelming mandate by the Ukrainian people in 2019, called on the Putin government to end the violence and negotiate. Everyone who thinks of themselves as a democrat should back that call.

     

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    Another one worth reading from Jacobin. Just saw it. Strong historical perspective, context, etc.

    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2022/02/putin-anti-bolshevik-tsarist-mythic-history-ukraine

    An excerpt:

     

    Putin’s Anti-Bolshevik Fantasies Could Be His Downfall

    By
    Mario Kessler

    . . . .

    De-communization

    “Do you want de-communization?” asked Putin, citing the demolition of Lenin monuments in Ukraine. “Well, we are very happy with it. But we must not, as they say, stop halfway. We are ready to show you what real de-communization means for Ukraine.” Lenin’s internationalism and Putin’s Great Russian chauvinism are, indeed, incompatible.

    All this should show socialists in particular that the man ruling the Kremlin is their bitter enemy. This is true regardless of all the cardinal errors of the West. The Putin government bears full responsibility for the current war, taking up the imperial desires of tsarist Russia, which Joseph Stalin resumed after the break with the Bolshevik internationalism of 1917.

    Putin presents himself as the patron saint of all Russian minorities who he alleges are threatened by “genocide.” This historical lie may have further consequences, for Russian minorities also live in the Baltic States. Will their NATO membership deter Russia from invading — even in the case that a (reelected) Donald Trump sends signals that give Putin a free hand? As improbable as this sounds, what is currently unfolding sounded just as unlikely only weeks ago.

    All the more important is a broad international peace movement to hobble Russia’s current war and oppose future military buildup. Anyone in Russia who dares to protest against the war deserves the greatest possible support — however small the possibilities may be at present.

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    I tried to post a couple of links and articles from Jacobin, but it didn’t work. Used Notepad ++ for the headlines, but shoulda used it for the entire excerpt too. Two links, one excerpt, one photo. Software probably didn’t like the double articles.

    Will just try an excerpt from the excerpt, and no links:

    Socialists Fight for a Future Without War

    By
    Ronan Burtenshaw

     

    War is nothing but organized killing, and there can be no justification for it. Today we must do what we can to support Ukrainian refugees and to show our solidarity with the brave protesters across Russia who insist that war is not carried out in their name.

    . . . .

    There is no force more destructive in human society than war. With every day and every mile it advances, it tears apart the fabric of life around it. Schools close, transport stops, the streets empty, and that is the deep breath before the plunge. When the wave itself arrives, it brings with it fear like few of us who do not live in war zones can truly understand: the sounds of bombs, the images of destruction in places just minutes from your home, then the sight of blood and injury and death. In the end, that is what war is: organized killing.

    That is the reality facing millions of people across Ukraine today. It is brutal and tragic and heartbreaking in equal measure. There should be no equivocation on the Left in condemning Vladimir Putin’s invasion and the murder it brings in its wake. Context matters when it comes to conflict, but there can be no justification for sending tanks and planes into a sovereign country. It is a historic crime. We must do what we can to support the Ukrainian refugees who are its victims, and to show our solidarity with the brave protesters in cities across Russia who insist that it is not carried out in their name.

    Today, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, elected with an overwhelming mandate by the Ukrainian people in 2019, called on the Putin government to end the violence and negotiate. Everyone who thinks of themselves as a democrat should back that call.

     

     

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