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December 21, 2014 at 12:00 pm in reply to: What's your "bet"? (feeling) (analysis)–Rams beat Giants? #14392AgamemnonParticipant
I want to see eli cry like a baby.
Well, in his three games against the Rams
Eli has nine TDs and one INT. (according to a
post by La)So, yes, perhaps its time
for a bounty.w
vI am putting up pie for any poster that can make eli cry.
December 21, 2014 at 11:31 am in reply to: 2015 NFL Draft: Matt Miller's Scouting Notebook for Week 16 #14387AgamemnonParticipantHey wondering what you think about this, Ag. Proposal: as soon as the season is over, we will start a “draft info” board where every article related to ever aspect of the draft will go. “Who the Rams will draft” articles go on this forum, while every other article goes there. We would put up a sticky here saying there was such a board so it doesn’t get lost.
What do you think? What would you prefer?
If you want to do the work to organize stuff. Maybe make a draft index with all the articles. I think it would be nice to let new articles sit on the main board for a time before moving them to a draft section with all the draft information. What does the rest of the board think?
December 21, 2014 at 11:28 am in reply to: 2015 NFL Draft: Matt Miller's Scouting Notebook for Week 16 #14386AgamemnonParticipantScouting Report: Brandon Scherff, Iowa
Throughout the 2014 college football season, one draft prospect will be highlighted each week with a first-look scouting report.
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Offensive Tackle Brandon Scherff, Iowa (6’5″, 320 lbs)
Strengths
Freakish athlete with elite strength and upper-level movement skills.
A finisher when blocking with the strength and mean streak to dominate.
Has quick hands and locks on to defenders with strong hands, then locks them down.
Has a pro-level frame with enough muscle and bulk to play guard or tackle.
Unbeatable in the run game. Could be an All-Pro guard within three years.
Has potential to be a top-level left tackle, but needs footwork refined.
Anticipates well and has a strong, well-timed punch with strong hands.
Technically sound with hands and angles. Refined, pro-ready player.Weaknesses
Knee injury early in 2014 cost him one game and has affected lateral agility.
Can surrender inside shoulder when speed rushers attack edge.
Wingspan will be questioned by scouts wanting elite arm length.Whoa, short arms. 😉
May not fit prototypical left tackle measurables.
Struggled vs. Indiana speed rusher Bobby Richardson.
May be physically maxed out.Pro Player Comparison: Joe Staley, San Francisco 49ers
Scouting Dictionary
“Finisher”
Watching offensive linemen is a tedious process. Pre-snap you have to look at balance, if the lineman is favoring one side or the other and flexibility in his stance (both two- and three-point). Once the ball moves you’re looking at weight distribution, hand placement, knee bend, what the player’s back does, how his balance looks on the move, how well he moves in all four directions (back, right, forward, left) and if he commits penalties. But you’re not done there.
One of the most important aspects of offensive line scouting is whether the player finishes blocks. Offensive linemen in the NFL cannot be weak or soft, so you want to find a player who fights through his block until the whistle blows—and maybe even a hair after it. There’s a fine line between tough and dirty, and you’re looking for it. I want a lineman who dumps his defender at the end of a run play and rides his man all the way into the dirt if the play is live.
When you read scouting reports, look for players who are good finishers, because a bad finisher is often something you can’t coach up.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2289090-2015-nfl-draft-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-for-week-14
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AgamemnonParticipantAgamemnonParticipantAgamemnonParticipantDecember 21, 2014 at 11:10 am in reply to: What's your "bet"? (feeling) (analysis)–Rams beat Giants? #14380AgamemnonParticipantAgamemnonParticipanthttp://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/st.-louis-rams/
I am for giving McLeod a new contract. I give the other RFAs and ERFAs qualifying offers. I am not interested in signing any premium FAs as I think they seldom out perform their contracts.AgamemnonParticipantRoger Goodell told the Chargers, Raiders and Rams this week that there will not be a team that moves to LA for next season, per sources.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 20, 2014
December 20, 2014 at 11:22 am in reply to: Breer predicting Cutler to Rams…others say, no it's to the Titans #14297AgamemnonParticipantAdam Schefter
1 hr ·Several NFL executives believe that it’s possible for Bears QB Jay Cutler to go from being benched to becoming a first-scenario, test-case trade. Never before has a team trading a player also had to give up drat-pick compensation to get rid of him. But some NFL executives believe that with any team having to absorb $25.5 million worth of guarantees in Cutler’s contract,
the Bears might have to package a decent draft pick to get another team to take him.
NFL rules dictate that nominal compensation must be exchanged between teams, but it could mean another team surrendering a late-round pick to Chicago for Cutler and a better pick. Such a scenario could enrage Bears fans, but to get a team to take on so much guaranteed money that could be used on valuable free agents and contract extensions, the Bears just might have to compensate a team with more than Cutler to do it.
AgamemnonParticipantAgamemnonParticipanthttp://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/16/sports/errors-in-inquiry-on-rape-allegations-against-fsu-jameis-winston.html?_r=0
http://fcir.org/2014/04/17/jameis-winston-fsu-rape-new-york-times/
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24529058/new-york-times-report-shows-new-details-in-winston-investigation
Here are some links.AgamemnonParticipantAgamemnonParticipant<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Agamemnon wrote:</div>
I think it is just cause they have more injuries and who else is there? But, he might be able to do it.Maybe. I think his future is center. He just has to prove he can stayed healthy and bulked up.
Yeah, I want him at center, mainly for his intelligence not his physical powers.
AgamemnonParticipantDecember 18, 2014 at 10:35 am in reply to: What kind of food you setting up for tonight's Titans/Jaguars game? #14155AgamemnonParticipant
I cooked a bunch of spaghetti, coated with olive oil, and put it in the fridge. It will be regular spaghetti, or a sort of lasagna, or heated up with butter, or fried spaghetti.Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever weighted their spaghetti? I get 40oz. of cooked spaghetti from 16oz. of dry spaghetti.
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AgamemnonParticipanthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5IMeODLND8
I heard Kronke is building a castle/ [stadium, stadium is Latin for stadium] in France.December 18, 2014 at 2:55 am in reply to: "I've had the chance to talk with Bruce, Faulk, Slater, Kennison, etc." #14128AgamemnonParticipantAgamemnonParticipantAgamemnonParticipantAgamemnonParticipantAgamemnonParticipantAgamemnonParticipantAgamemnonParticipantWeek 1 — Rams at Broncos: Trailing the Broncos 16-13 in the third quarter with the ball on Denver’s 9-yard line, the Rams went for it on 4th-and-1. Kurt Warner’s pass was incomplete and the Rams ended up losing their opener 23-16. “We will be aggressive in our approach,” Rams coach Mike Martz said. “Some may question it, but that’s how I’m going to approach it.”
Week 2 — Giants at Rams: Facing fourth-and-inches with 2:53 left in the game, the Rams trailed the Cowboys 26-21. Despite the absence of starting left guard Tom Nutten, the Rams ran Marshall Faulk straight up the middle and he was stuffed for no gain before fumbling. The Rams did get the ball back but ended up losing 26-21.
Fucking Martz……. The Denver game was a killer, put the friggen points on the board when you’re on the road….
but last week, I think Fisher has to go for it on 4th and 1 on the goal line vs Arizona…….
Me, too, joe, on both counts,,,,,,.
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December 16, 2014 at 4:55 pm in reply to: Bill Polian says, "QB's and D-Line Are The Hardest To Find" #14007AgamemnonParticipantAgamemnonParticipanthttp://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2014/12/should_the_patriots_have_gone.html
Should the Patriots have gone for it on 4th-and-18? The numbers, and common sense, say no
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Green Bay Packers head coach Mike McCarthy talks to New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick after an NFL football game Sunday, Nov. 30, 2014, in Green Bay, Wis. The Packers won 26-21.(AP Photo/Mike Roemer)
Kevin Duffy | krduffy@masslive.com By Kevin Duffy | krduffy@masslive.com
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on December 01, 2014 at 7:00 AM, updated December 01, 2014 at 7:03 AMGREEN BAY, Wisc — If you’re pinning this loss on Bill Belichick for electing to kick a field goal on 4th-and-18, you must know this: You’re wrong.
There’s really no other way to say it, and it’s really not even an argument.
Here’s how the whole sequence went down: Trailing 26-21 thanks to a dropped pass by Davante Adams, the Pats began their final possession with 8:35 remaining.
Early in the game, the Patriots had elected to punt twice from near midfield—on a 4th-and-2 from their own 46-yard-line and a 4th-and-1 from the 49.
Makes sense.
Faced with a similar decision late, Belichick gave Tom Brady the go-ahead. Brady hooked up with Edelman for a 5-yard-gain on 4th-and-3 from the Pats’ 49, keeping the final Patriots drive alive.
Except the drive stalled when Brady took a 9-yard-sack at the worst possible time, putting the Pats in a difficult situation on 4th-and-18.
One school of thought: Well, if they went for it on fourth down once, why not go again? Why kick the field goal and give Rodgers a chance to run the clock out (which is precisely what happened)?
One site, AdvancedFootballAnalytics.com, predicts a 12 percent success rate for the exact situation with which the Patriots were faced, 4th-and-18 from the opponent’s 29-yard-line with 2:40 remaining. The same site predicts a 64 percent success rate for a field goal attempt.
And, for what it’s worth, Stephen Gostkowski is the third-most accurate field goal kicker in league history. Odds are he was hitting the 47-yarder, even if the conditions weren’t ideal (just a note: Gostkowski went out to 53 in warmups but didn’t have much distance to spare when he hit his final kick).
If Gostkowski had converted, the Patriots simply would have needed another field goal to leave Lambeau with a win. They would have needed to force a three-and-out, or recover an onside kick, but the odds of Gostkowski converting the field goal and the Patriots earning another possession were undoubtedly higher than the 12 percent chance they’d convert a 4th-and-18 and then score a touchdown after the near-impossible conversion.
And no, Green Bay didn’t have a single three-and-out Sunday. Its offense was in another stratosphere. Its third down offense was remarkable; Packers were 5-for-12 on third down conversions of four yards or longer and 5-for-5 in short-yardage situations.
On a 3rd-and-4 with 2:28 left, it looked as though the Pats were in perfect position to hand the ball back to Brady. But Aaron Rodgers fit a perfect throw into a tight window, connecting with Randall Cobb for a game-clinching 7-yard-gain. And that prompted this reaction from the New England sidelines:
In the postgame, Brady said, “This was a great test for us. I think the guys knew how important it was for our season, and you hate to have the ball on the 20-yard line under three minutes with a chance to go ahead and not do it. I think that sucked.”
Yes, for the Patriots, the end result did. But it’s foolish to think going for it on 4th-and-18 would have given New England a better chance to change the outcome.
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AgamemnonParticipantBill Belichick Didn’t Consider Going For Fourth-And-18 Vs. Packers by Doug Kyed on Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:46PM Share this: Fancred The New England Patriots were stuck between a rock and a hard place Sunday late in the fourth quarter. Down five points to the Green Bay Packers with 2:40 left in the game, head coach Bill Belichick had to decide whether to go for the first down on fourth-and-18 or attempt a 47-yard field goal. Belichick picked the latter, Stephen Gostkowski missed, and the Patriots had to force a three-and-out on defense, which they failed to do. So, did the thought of going for it even cross Belichick’s mind? “No,” he answered succinctly Monday in a conference call.
Perhaps it should have, according to Pats Pulpit’s Rich Hill: The Patriots lost 26-21 after the Packers were able to convert on third-and-4 before the two-minute warning.
Read more at: http://nesn.com/2014/12/bill-belichick-didnt-consider-going-for-fourth-and-18-in-fourth-quarter/
Belichick is right, but I am not lazy to make the argument for him. I just posted this stuff for the people who really want to dig into some coaching decisions.
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AgamemnonParticipanthttp://static.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/garber_greg/1453768.html
Thursday, October 31, 2002
Updated: November 1, 12:08 PM ET
Momentum is key in fourth-down decisions
By Greg Garber
ESPN.comThere are usually a handful of plays that determine the outcome of a football game. Fourth-down plays are almost always part of that equation.
Fourth down is sort of a super-sized, ultra-concentrated distillation of the game itself.
“Something big,” said Baltimore Ravens head coach Brian Billick, “is going to happen. Either you’re going to covert in a crucial situation that keeps a drive alive, that allows you to score, that makes a difference in the game, that gives your team a huge emotional lift. The reverse of that is you go for it, you take your chances, you get stoned and it’s a huge emotional drain for your team.
“ Everybody’s excited about it until the play’s run. Then, half are excited and half aren’t. ”
— Bill Belichick on going for it on fourth down“You pay your money, you take your chances.”
The Denver Broncos thought they were being aggressive when they tried a long Jason Elam field goal against the Ravens in Week 4’s Monday night game. Problem was, Ravens cornerback Chris McAlister was lurking in the end zone and gathered in the ball that was well short. After a brief hesitation — and a crushing block from Ray Lewis — McAlister bolted 107 yards for a touchdown and an NFL record.
The game’s chemistry had been altered. The Broncos were never seriously in the game thereafter.
Those sharp swings of emotion are the biggest factors missing in David Romer’s analysis of fourth downs. The Cal-Berkeley economics professor was unable to account for momentum in his complicated formula that he says should prompt coaches to go for it more often on fourth down.
“From a numbers standpoint, obviously, (the equation) made sense,” said San Francisco 49ers head coach Steve Mariucci. “Fourth downs & that’s a different animal. Am I going to go for a fourth-down-and-inches on my own 11-yard-line? There’s a certain common sense that needs to take place as to whether you even think about attempting it or not.”
Romer has heard this sort of thing before. In fact, he and some associates recently began studying data on momentum swings. After looking at situations when one team receives the ball after a major event — say, a failed fourth down or a turnover — Romer said he believes that momentum is not an important factor.
“The numbers seem to indicate that the team that gets the ball tends to let down a little bit,” Romer said. “And the team that loses the ball seems to rally some. Actually, I think it might turn out that the momentum shifts the other way than most people think.”
The one thing everyone agrees on is that players — on both sides of the ball — love the high stakes of a fourth-down call.
“In that state of mind, they’re reacting like the fans are,” said Miami Dolphins head coach Dave Wannstedt. “Everybody’s saying go for it and our players are out there saying go for it, but I think as a head coach you need to really look at the big picture.
“I think our players would go for it on fourth down every time.”
That would include, of course, injured quarterback Jay Fiedler. “You definitely get enthusiastic, you get fired up,” Fiedler said. “You see the offensive line’s eyes light up a little bit more. You want to hit the guy a little bit harder.”
Miami teammate Zack Thomas: “If it’s a run play and they’re trying to get an inch, then that’s the best feeling in the world when you stop them. You hit them in the mouth and you get up and that’s the best. It gives you a little swagger.”
But as New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick pointed out, half of that enthusiasm subsides as soon as the play is over.
“Everybody’s excited about it until the play’s run,” Belichick said. “Then, half are excited and half aren’t.”
It’s the downside of that momentum swing that scares coaches.
“It can backfire,” explained Oakland Raiders quarterback Rich Gannon. “You’re at the opponent’s 40-yard line and you’re feeling good about yourselves. You go for fourth-and-one and you don’t get it — now the team has a short field. They go down the field and score and now the momentum has swung again.”
Greg Garber is a senior writer at ESPN.com.
December 16, 2014 at 3:49 pm in reply to: Bill Polian says, "QB's and D-Line Are The Hardest To Find" #13995AgamemnonParticipant
Bill Polian, NFL
ESPN NFL analyst Bill Polian discusses the transition of Marcus Mariota to the NFL and the defensive makeup of the Patriots and the Cowboys.
That is one of the best podcasts I have listened to.December 16, 2014 at 3:40 pm in reply to: Bill Polian says, "QB's and D-Line Are The Hardest To Find" #13994AgamemnonParticipantDonald was a need because the Rams have an elite defensive end rusher in Quinn but they didnt have an elite defensive tackle. Now they do in Donald. He will allow the Rams to get consistent pressure up the middle as well as off the edge.
When I first read this, I thought that Polian was saying that. It is the posters opinion, although I mostly agree with it. I take Donald cause he is a good player, not cause he is a DT.
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