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October 22, 2017 at 10:41 pm #76423znModerator
Jared Goff keeps Rams offense running against the Cardinals through the air and on the ground
Gary Klein
http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-jared-goff-20171022-story.html
For the last few weeks, Jared Goff said he was “begging” coaches to call a particular play.
It did not require him to air out a long throw. In fact, it was not a pass at all.
On Sunday night against the Arizona Cardinals, Goff finally got his wish.
He faked a handoff, read the defense and then ran nine yards for a touchdown in the 33-0 victory at Twickenham Stadium.
“I keep going, ‘Call it, call it, call it,’ ” Goff said of the read-option play. “And so when it came in, I was like, ‘All right, here we go.’
“And sure enough, the read was there and we blocked well downfield as well and was able to punch it in.”
Goff’s touchdown run came at the end of a two-minute drive in the second quarter, a play that gave the Rams a 20-0 lead in a victory that improved their record to 5-2.
“Jared Goff got a rushing touchdown,” offensive lineman Rodger Saffold said. “Who would have guessed?”
Goff, the No. 1 pick in the 2016 draft, completed 22 of 37 passes for 235 yards and a touchdown, with one interception.
The turnover, “just a dumb play,” Goff said, was the only major blemish on a comeback of sorts for Goff, who last week completed only 11 of 21 passes for 124 yards — all season lows.
Goff connected with receiver Cooper Kupp on a bubble screen that Kupp turned into an 18-yard touchdown late in the fourth quarter.
“He did great,” coach Sean McVay said of Goff.
Goff said it could have been better.
“We still, I think, left a couple out there where we would like to finish drives for sure,” he said. “That’s something that we’ll be really focused on heading into the next nine weeks of the season for sure is finishing those drives.”
The Rams’ first two drives inside the 20-yard line ended with field goals, rather than touchdowns, continuing a problematic trend that began in Week 4 against Dallas and continued against Seattle and Jacksonville.
But running back Todd Gurley scored on an 18-yard run against the Cardinals, and Goff completed a drive with his read-option touchdown.
“I don’t think I looked very athletic out there,” he said, adding, “I just tried to find a little seam there at the end and push it in.
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“Got up and really didn’t know what to do after, what the celebration was. So I just kind of threw it to the center there.”Goff injured his left hand on the play, but said it was fine.
Goff directed a 16-play, 80-yard drive in the fourth quarter that took more than 10 minutes and ended with his scoring pass to Kupp.
“Finishing off with a touchdown is huge and it was a good way to finish the game that we maybe didn’t feel great about before that,” Goff said.
Saffold said there was much to feel good about regarding Goff.
“We were running one pass-protection play, and he escaped in between two guys, like dipped underneath and ran out,” Saffold said. “Like, ‘What?’
“That was crazy, so you could tell that everybody’s getting comfortable, everybody knows the system.”
Goff usually arrives for postgame news conferences in a dress shirt and jeans. On Sunday, he wore a dapper suit.
Asked whether he was going out with teammates afterward, Goff said no.
“I had this suit lined up for a little while now coming to London,” he said. “But, no, I just didn’t have anything else to wear.”
October 22, 2017 at 11:46 pm #76428InvaderRamModeratorhe’s a good manager of the game. his pocket presence is good. real good.
but he’s got a lot of things to work on. something’s missing right now.
but again. he’s got 14 games starting experience. 7 under the current system. his rookie offseason – the team was relocating to los angeles. his sophomore offseason – they were installing a new system. he already was coming in about as raw a qb can be.
so yeah. i’d consider his rookie season to be unofficially over.
so that’d be.
14 games
57.4%
2808 yards
6.6 ypa
14 tds
11 int
77.5 passer rating.the most important thing is he’s got a good support system around him.
but i expect more and want more from him. hopefully, next season is when it comes together for him although i do expect some strides to be made this season.
October 24, 2017 at 2:00 am #76470AgamemnonParticipantGoff is starting to do other stuff, too. It appears he is no longer drifting back in the pocket, but remains steady. Remember when that was a criticism. He has a lot of stuff like that to learn. A lot of stuff he never had to learn in college. That includes more types of throws he will need to learn as a pro. imo
October 24, 2017 at 2:17 am #76472AgamemnonParticipantGoff has to keep learning new stuff, because the other team will try to take away what he does best. It is all a process, until you can do more than they can stop. His college offense probably did not require him to make a wide variety of throws. He will need to learn a bigger skill set for the NFL. imo
October 24, 2017 at 2:24 am #76473znModeratorGoff is starting to do other stuff, too. It appears he is no longer drifting back in the pocket, but remains steady. Remember when that was a criticism. He has a lot of stuff like that to learn. A lot of stuff he never had to learn in college. That includes more types of throws he will need to learn as a pro. imo
off has to keep learning new stuff, because the other team will try to take away what he does best. It is all a process, until you can do more than they can stop. His college offense probably did not require him to make a wide variety of throws. He will need to learn a bigger skill set for the NFL. imo
I think that’s all completely true.
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October 24, 2017 at 6:54 pm #76504znModeratorNFL MMQB
Jared Goff Is Thriving at the Center of Les Snead’s Two-Phase PlanGreg Bishop
October 24, 2017When it comes to NFL quarterbacks, it’s not enough to just look at the quarterback’s talent—you need to take into consideration the reality of the situation. Tom Brady isn’t Tom Brady without the pieces around him. Same goes for Jared Goff who flailed on a dreadful team last year … and has the Rams rolling with a souped-up system in 2017.
Les Snead is the rare NFL general manager with a bicycle mounted on a trainer in the middle of his office. His immobilized Schwinn—sleek, white, decorated with stickers—appears stolen from a SoulCycle class, and its handlebars curl like ram horns toward a television mounted on the wall. That way Snead, 46, can get all Tour de France-y and watch film.
And whereas Snead might view the velocipede as a vehicle on which to multitask, a more cynical observer could find a metaphor here for the GM’s tenure. Since arriving in 2012, none of the teams he has assembled have won more than seven games, despite constant roster churn—the NFL equivalent of pedaling furiously and not going anywhere. This season, though, the Rams are 5–2 and riding atop the NFC West (with the tougher half of their schedule approaching) because of a two-part plan that Snead started in the spring of ’16, hoping to catapult a team returning to Los Angeles from St. Louis, the franchise at once going big and going home.
At the center of his strategy—because, duh, this is the NFL—was a quarterback. Phase 1 began in April 2016 when Snead made a calculated bet, trading six draft picks to obtain the No. 1 selection, which he used to grab Cal junior Jared Goff. The QB possessed a strong arm, a dream body type . . . and almost no experience running a pro-style offense. The ensuing NFL season unfolded about as well as could be expected. The Rams went 4–12, finishing with seven straight losses in Goff starts.
Phase 2 started this spring, with Snead’s laying out four goals, the first three of which concentrated on enhancing everything around his new QB: 1) Hire a new coach (after Jeff Fisher was fired last December); 2) review and perfect all processes, from meeting schedules to sleep patterns to organizational philosophies; 3) improve the offense; and 4) don’t forget about the defense!
Snead accomplished No. 1 quickly, stealing offensive prodigy Sean McVay from Washington last January. He hired Mike Forde, a high-performance consultant who was once Chelsea’s director of football operations, to calibrate the Rams’ approach to just about everything. (No. 2: check.) Then he added a left tackle, Andrew Whitworth; a center, John Sullivan; and three wideouts: Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods and third-round draft pick Cooper Kupp. (No. 3: check. As for No. 4, Aaron Donald is back on the field: good enough.)
The Rams did all this because they had to, because that’s how NFL teams win. Think of the QBs who defined this generation: Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger. . . . They didn’t win on spirals alone. They were buttressed by teammates acquired specifically to help them, and they ran offenses tailored to their strengths. Brady isn’t Brady without Bill Belichick, the system he created around his QB and the teammates he obtained and improved. Now think of the next crop of promising passers: Goff, Winston, Mariota, Wentz, Watson. . . . Plenty of talent, sure, but each one lacks the infrastructure enjoyed by the likes of Brady and Rodgers. How those young guys develop—and how their organizations develop around them—will define football’s next generation.
Goff’s successful transformation appeared unlikely as he was yanked in the fourth quarter of the season finale, a 44–6 loss to the Cardinals. But the forces at work in the QB’s development crystallized for Snead this summer, when he received what he says was “the best birthday present” of his life. The GM’s wife, Kara, took him to Boulder, Colo., to meet with author Jim Collins, who writes about something he calls the Flywheel Effect: combinations of factors that work together to move companies from “good to great,” like a massive metal disk being propelled forward by momentum.
Every Flywheel is different, with varying factors influencing it. For this particular business, a football team, imagine a clock with different elements at noon, three, six and nine, with arrows connecting one element to the next in a circle, all working together, building momentum. Snead filled an entire legal pad with notes, beginning to imagine the Rams’ organization as a Flywheel. The hub? Goff. “Best six hours of my life,” he says, before realizing how that might sound to his wife and children.
He corrects this assessment. “Top 10 life moment,” he says—with the potential to climb.
As the 2016 NFL draft approached, Snead figured that the Titans, who held the top pick and had selected Marcus Mariota the year before, would be amenable to a trade. Having cycled through the likes of Shaun Hill and Austin Davis in the previous 48 games, Snead desperately needed a franchise passer, and he liked both Goff and North Dakota State’s Carson Wentz, who evoked a young Brett Favre.
The Rams visited Wentz first, and he had an impressive workout in perfect conditions—sunny, no wind—in Fargo. Snead and Co. then flew to the Bay Area, where on the night before a scheduled morning session with Goff they saw that rain was threatening their plans. The quarterback met Snead in the lobby of his Berkeley hotel, and the GM mentioned a few pockets of time the next day when it appeared the rain might abate. “We’re going at 8:30 a.m.,” Goff said. “And I hope it rains.”
The skies indeed opened that morning, but the workout went off as scheduled, and that was that. The Rams had found themselves a QB, and Snead saw for the first time how hard it was to rattle Jared Goff.
Rain was one thing. The debacle of 2016 was another. The five previous quarterbacks taken with the No. 1 pick—-Matthew Stafford, Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck and Jameis Winston—each started his team’s season opener as a rookie. Early in his debut year, Goff did everything except play. He moved from Berkeley to Oxnard (for minicamps) to Irvine (for training camp) to Thousand Oaks (for the season). He sequestered himself, living alone so he could immerse himself in football. He learned a new offense and how to play under center, after years in the shotgun. He saw his competition (starter Case Keenum) benched and his coach fired.
His first start finally came on Nov. 20, against the Dolphins. It rained again, but Goff didn’t turn the ball over in an otherwise unremarkable debut. Still, the Rams lost, and then they lost six more, as Goff was sacked 26 times, compiling the lowest QBR (22.2) of anyone who started at least five games. He’d asked for rain and gotten it.
Still, Snead saw signs that he had put the right guy in the center of his Flywheel. Some of Goff’s throws—deep balls, passes into tight windows . . . and that zip!—made the GM’s heart palpitate. More important, the young quarterback never blamed his porous offensive line or the running game that moved like a car stripped of its tires. And he fought when only pride mattered. Late in one game, down 21 to the Seahawks in mid-December, he took off for the end zone and dropped a shoulder at cornerback Richard Sherman. Nearly decapitated, Goff still tried to wave off team doctors. “We already knew he could throw the football,” Snead says, “but I saw something that day under the California cool that made me say, Wow, it’s there.”
Not many shared Snead’s optimism. Fans mocked Goff and Snead across social media, a reaction the GM describes as “probably quick-triggered”—but “that’s the microwave world we live in.” Goff remained nonplussed. “Twitter doesn’t bother me,” he says. “When people that have never played the game have opinions, it doesn’t make a difference. It’s just a bunch of ignorance. In person, people are too scared [to say something].”
The QB refused to be deterred, in part because he remained vaguely aware that, years before, his own father’s professional baseball career had suffered from self-imposed pressure. In Jerry Goff’s last game in the majors, playing catcher for the Astros in 1996, he knew Houston’s front office doubted him and, confidence evaporating, he gave up six passed balls.
Twenty years later, father watched son suffer all those sacks and wondered whether his kid might end up like David Carr, the No. 1 pick in 2002, who was sacked out of the NFL. Instead, Jared found the calm his dad never did. “I was pretty hard on myself if I didn’t play well, and there were times that it affected my play,” Jerry says. “Jared and I are opposites in that regard.”
When the season ended, Goff needed distance—from football, physical pain, celebrity, chaos. He decamped to Cabo San Lucas in Mexico with his four best friends, a group known (to themselves, anyway) as the Fab Five. The Five had been childhood buddies who played sports; now they’re a consultant, an Arizona grad student working toward an MBA, a property manager, a budding NFL quarterback and his new (and unemployed) roommate. They spend most days on a group text-message thread, lobbing inside jokes back and forth.
In Mexico, Goff forgot about his unremarkable rookie season. He roamed the beach unnoticed, sipped blended beverages, lounged around his hotel pool and rode a banana boat. It was his first (semi)adult vacation.
Mind cleared, body healed, he flew back to the U.S. and hired Adam Dedeaux, a mechanics guru for what seems like half of the NFL’s passers. Goff provided a counterpoint to established stars like Brady and Matt Ryan, who visit Dedeaux in Southern California to refine their skills. For all the success Goff had in college and at Marin Catholic High, he’d never really put the microscope to his throwing motion. He didn’t need an overhaul, necessarily, but he required significant changes. For as hard and as far as he could throw, he lacked the basic foundation for NFL longevity: a consistent, repeatable motion.
Goff visited Dedeaux more than 30 times this offseason, undergoing physical and psychological assessments and making major alterations to the one thing he’d done best his entire life: throw. He focused on footwork, on driving passes with his body rather than with his arm to create torque, on generating power and efficiency by shortening his motion. Sometimes, as passes whistled by, Dedeaux thought, Oh, yeah, that’s the No. 1 pick.
On July 4, the Fab Five rented a house in Newport Beach and played two-on-two touch football on the sand before the sun dropped and the fireworks exploded. Goff was the all-time quarterback, naturally, and Patrick Conroy (the new roommate) says he noticed a glow of inner peace.
“His energy was noticeably different this offseason,” says Jared’s sister, Lauren. “He seemed more at ease.” The Rams’ Flywheel was starting to budge.
As part of his job interview last winter, McVay met with Goff at the Rams’ offices in Thousand Oaks. The two spoke for maybe half an hour. The coach wanted to know how his prospective QB had processed the fiasco of 2016. Did he blame the coaches? Did he demeaningly refer to the Rams’ old scheme as a “middle school offense,” the way running back Todd Gurley had last December?
“He took accountability, didn’t make any excuses,” McVay says. “He struck me as unfazed.”
Goff, in turn, wanted to know what McVay had done in Washington to turn Kirk Cousins into a starter worthy of consecutive franchise tags. The coach explained his usual approach, that he’d designed schemes around his quarterback and his particular strengths. He told Goff he would study him and mold the Rams’ offense around what he did best, accounting too for his teammates’ talents (Watkins’s speed, for example, and Gurley’s shiftiness). Goff texted his father immediately afterward. “He was ecstatic,” says Jerry.
McVay—now 31, he was the youngest NFL head coach ever hired—and his 23-year-old QB aren’t so far apart in age, but they don’t bond over Goff’s favorite pop artists, like Justin Bieber. Their relationship is built entirely around offensive football and only offensive football. They meet daily to go over plays and brainstorm strategy, two blond millennial bros who should be out enjoying the SoCal celebrity circuit.
Goff believes his new coach has held true to the philosophy he espoused in that initial meeting. McVay revamped the core of L.A.’s offense, which now mixes elements from the Patriots (heavy presnap motion), Falcons (outside runs) and Saints (downfield route combinations) with Goff-specific alterations. McVay tossed out the conservative Rams offense, which ranked last in the NFL in each of the past two years, incorporating more play-action, bootlegs and deep passes—all strengths that Goff refined with Dedeaux this spring.
“Jared’s not limited in anything,” McVay says.
“He’s very creative, super player-driven,” Goff says of his coach.
When Dedeaux looks at the offense, he sees a system adapted to its quarterback—not, as is more often the case, a quarterback adapting to a system. He calls McVay a “genius” and labels his approach “rare.”
“What people need to understand is how much a coach impacts his quarterbacks,” says 77-year-old Roman Gabriel, who threw 201 touchdowns in 16 seasons with the Rams and Eagles. “Goff took more shots than he had to [last year] because the design of that offense wasn’t conducive to a young quarterback being good. The style of offense Sean brought is more conducive to the kind of quarterback Goff is.”
Back in the office, beside his bicycle, Snead grabs his iPhone and dials up someone listed as ‘Sprint’ in his contacts. That’s Kara, his wife.
The Rams, at this point, are five games into the 2017 season. Their Flywheel is spinning, with roster additions blocking for and catching passes from an improved quarterback on newly designed plays. Momentum is building. Goff decimated the Colts for 306 passing yards in the opener, tossed three TDs against the 49ers in Week 3 and pulled off a comeback win at Dallas in Week 4. Through fives games L.A. scored 142 total points, third most under a first-year coach in the modern era. (In the subsequent weeks they will edge out the Jaguars 27–17 in the Revelation Bowl and hammer the Cardinals 33–0 in London.)
“This season is a derivative of our Flywheel,” Snead says as Kara picks up, on speakerphone. “What’s that foreword you had me read last night?” he asks.
“Malcolm Gladwell,” she responds. “From The Person and the Situation.”
“I [read it to mean] this,” he says. “It’s absurd to try to figure out the difference between Manning and Favre. To the naked eye, there’s not a huge difference. What’s probably the biggest variable is the situation they’re in.”
“That would be a perfect way to look at Jared,” Kara says. “The difference in his development between this year and last year: He’s playing well, he’s in a great situation.”
Snead nods and smiles as his better half gives voice to his thoughts. The Rams are no longer riding in place. Everything around Goff has changed: his teammates, his offensive scheme—he’s even altered his throwing mechanics. In order to elevate his QB from good to great, says Snead, “I have a sneaky suspicion that it takes all those things.” The Rams’ Flywheel is in full motion.
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October 24, 2017 at 11:30 pm #76512InvaderRamModeratorNFL
Riddick: ‘Goff could be a top-five passer’ Louis Riddick praises the growth of Jared Goff and how “the sky is the limit” for the Rams’ starting QB.October 26, 2017 at 3:39 pm #76559znModeratorPhotographic evidence that Jared Goff is a much better QB
Alden Gonzalez
Jared Goff won zero games through seven starts in 2016, but he has won five games through seven starts in 2017.
He absorbed 26 sacks in the Los Angeles Rams’ final seven games last season, but only 10 in the first seven this season.
As a rookie, 2016’s No. 1 overall pick completed 54.6 percent of his passes, averaged 4.3 yards per attempt, threw five touchdowns to seven interceptions and posted a Total QBR of 18.3. As a second-year player, he has completed 59.9 percent of his passes, averaged 7.7 yards per attempt, thrown nine touchdowns to four interceptions and posted a Total QBR of 53.6.
So, yeah, things are looking up for Goff.
He isn’t an elite quarterback yet, but there’s restored hope in the belief that he someday might be. And there’s comfort in knowing that he is at least serviceable now, less than two weeks removed from his 23rd birthday. A lot of the credit for the improvement has been directed at Goff’s surroundings — he’s operating under a friendlier scheme, while taking snaps behind a better offensive line and throwing to a more dynamic group of receivers.
But Goff himself got better, too.
“He’s done a good job of improving throughout this first part of the season,” Rams first-year head coach Sean McVay said. “I think he’s gotten better and better. Any time that you’re able to learn from your experiences, both good and bad, you’re going to give yourself a chance for growth.”
Below are five screen grabs to help illustrate that growth. Three were taken from the best game of Goff’s professional life, when he went 22-of-28 for 292 yards and three touchdowns in a win over the San Francisco 49ers on Sept. 21. Two others were taken from Goff’s worst performance of the year, when he turned the ball over three times in an Oct. 8 loss to the Seattle Seahawks.
While Goff sat through the first half last year, former Rams quarterback Jim Everett identified him as someone who can “visualize the deep ball better than anyone on that roster.” After studying film from 2016, McVay saw past Goff’s struggles and continually referenced his “arm talent.”
It showed in the throw above, a 47-yard completion to Sammy Watkins.
Watkins made a nice over-the-shoulder catch. But Goff stepped up into the pocket off play-action and dropped that throw in the only place he could, right between two defenders downfield. Goff has already completed 27 passes that have traveled at least 15 yards through the air, third-most in the NFL. Last year, he completed only 10 such passes.
On that play, Watkins said Goff “threw a great ball to protect me from the safety.”
There may not be a more impressive Goff throw than this one, which somehow resulted in a 31-yard completion to Robert Woods.
Niners defensive lineman Arik Armstead found himself free on a stunt and was bearing down on Goff. But Goff moved to his right, then uncorked a deep ball to the right sideline off one foot. The throw was perfectly placed in Woods’ back shoulder, allowing him to make the catch despite very tight coverage.
Goff has only completed 36.7 percent of his passes outside the pocket this season (ranked 26th among 32 qualified quarterbacks) and only 37.7 percent of his passes when pressured (24th). But that throw was proof that he has the talent to get it done in those situations, too.
Goff may not have Carson Wentz’s athleticism, but he has been known to surprise people with the way he moves. And this year, his pocket awareness and overall patience has allowed him to run free when things break down.
The play above is a prime example. It was third-and-10 from midfield at the 13-minute mark of the third quarter, and the Seahawks brought the blitz. Six defenders went after Goff, but they left the middle of the field wide open. Goff dropped back, then immediately sprinted ahead, navigating towards the sideline and running safely out of bounds for a 22-yard run, the longest of his career.
Goff has run for 45 yards this year, nearly three times what he ran for as a rookie. Two weeks after that game, in a 33-0 win over the Arizona Cardinals from London, he had a 9-yard run that resulted in his first rushing touchdown of the season — on a read-option.
“I’ve been begging them to call that for a long time now,” Goff said. “For a few weeks. I keep going, ‘Call it, call it, call it.’ And so when it came in, I was like, ‘All right, here we go.'”
This play resulted in an incompletion, but it could’ve easily been the game-winning score — largely because of what Goff did before getting rid of the football. Trailing by six with 67 seconds remaining and no timeouts, Goff hit on a 35-yard pass and a 20-yard pass to get to the Seahawks’ 20-yard line. That brings us to the play pictured above, on third-and-10 with 12 seconds left.
Check out where Goff’s eyes were directed. Five-time Pro Bowler Earl Thomas, lined up as the single-high safety, was trying to bait Goff into an interception. But Goff looked him off, making Thomas dart to his right. That allowed Cooper Kupp to get free on a skinny post near the middle of the end zone. Goff reset, then delivered the throw on time and on target. But it went off Kupp’s fingertips and fell harmlessly to the ground.
The Rams lost, but Thomas was impressed with the way he was taken out of that play.
“Hats off to Goff,” Thomas said after the game. “He’s way better than last year.”
Of all the plays Goff made in that Thursday night game near his hometown, this is the one his coaches raved about.
It wasn’t flashy, but it came in a big spot and was the product of sensible decision-making. Facing third-and-10, with the Rams up by eight from the 49ers’ 46-yard line in the fourth quarter, Goff dropped back and scanned the field. He quickly went through all of his progressions, didn’t see anyone open and instead dumped it off to Todd Gurley, who turned it into a 27-yard gain to help set up another touchdown.
Goff kept it simple and didn’t force it, which might be the area where he has made the biggest strides as a second-year quarterback. Goff has combined for only three turnovers in six of his seven games. His 2.25 touchdown-to-interception ratio is only slightly above the NFL average (1.92), but it’s significantly better than the 0.71 mark he carried as a rookie.
McVay has made it a point not to heap effusive praise on Goff, but he has also made sure not to set the expectations too high.
“We just want him to continue to take those daily steps, and he’s done that and been receptive,” McVay said, crediting offensive coordinator Matt LaFleur and quarterbacks coach Greg Olson for Goff’s continued development. “We’re in a good place. By no means are we where we want to be, but I think he’s doing a great job of leading. And that’s a credit to Jared.”
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October 26, 2017 at 6:42 pm #76575znModeratorRams LB Connor Barwin Talks Jared Goff and Carson Wentz Similarities
Los Angeles Rams linebacker Connor Barwin joins “NFL Total Access” to compare Los Angeles Rams quarterback Jared Goff and Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz.
October 27, 2017 at 9:37 am #76584SunTzu_vs_CamusParticipantI don’t feel the Rams offense OR defense has put together an entire game yet…… due to…well,
still getting comfortable with the schemes on both sides of the ball – making it 2nd nature. idkWhat’s interesting to me is the offense and their lack of emotion in which they play….that’s not a bad thing…
it’s just I think they take on Goff’s personality a bit. The offense just executes or tries to…and if things go well – a mild celebration…and if they go poorly?
Nary an acknowledgement of failure…just walk off the field and ready to come back and do it again…just BETTER this next series.
Goff is missing something in his brain, which makes him quite suited for Football…..and that is his lack of fear…or much emotion. Goff is no Farvre/PRivers in their exuberance for playing a “game”…..but Goff just executes and comes back again….like the solemn executioner. Goff is quietly relentless in his stoic determination to come back and back and back and try again. A determination that is unemotional & always present. Memento Mori.It’s an oddity, but I appreciate THAT quality in Goff…as I would if that quality was the man piloting a flight I was on (Sully?!)…or a surgery I was having and my doctor has that same demeanor. I think it lends itself to fewer emotional peaks&valleys and keeps Goff and his offense more present in the moment with no residue of bad mistakes from a previous play.
All this is…somehow, a compliment to Goff’s mental approach to the game…an approach that is foreign to me but one I appreciate.
"I should have been a pair of ragged claws...
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas."October 27, 2017 at 11:31 am #76585ZooeyModeratorIt’s the same thing Montana was missing.
It’s kind of funny that Montana is Goff’s idol because they are a lot alike imo. There was just something missing with Montana. Something that just “wasn’t there.” And fear, I guess, is as close to it as we can get. There is an absence of the consideration of failure. They lack the capacity of self-doubt. In most people, that is replaced by arrogance. But neither of these guys have that, either.
But it’s more than the absence of self-doubt. We’ve seen plenty of qbs crushed by doubt in their teammates, doubt in their OL. With a pretty bad OL last year, we never saw Goff buckle. Bad interception? Go sit on the bench and look at the photos, and talk about the next series.
October 27, 2017 at 2:57 pm #76588znModeratorI don’t feel the Rams offense OR defense has put together an entire game yet…… due to…well,
still getting comfortable with the schemes on both sides of the ball – making it 2nd nature. idkWhat’s interesting to me is the offense and their lack of emotion in which they play….that’s not a bad thing…
it’s just I think they take on Goff’s personality a bit. The offense just executes or tries to…and if things go well – a mild celebration…and if they go poorly?
Nary an acknowledgement of failure…just walk off the field and ready to come back and do it again…just BETTER this next series.
Goff is missing something in his brain, which makes him quite suited for Football…..and that is his lack of fear…or much emotion. Goff is no Farvre/PRivers in their exuberance for playing a “game”…..but Goff just executes and comes back again….like the solemn executioner. Goff is quietly relentless in his stoic determination to come back and back and back and try again. A determination that is unemotional & always present. Memento Mori.It’s an oddity, but I appreciate THAT quality in Goff…as I would if that quality was the man piloting a flight I was on (Sully?!)…or a surgery I was having and my doctor has that same demeanor. I think it lends itself to fewer emotional peaks&valleys and keeps Goff and his offense more present in the moment with no residue of bad mistakes from a previous play.
All this is…somehow, a compliment to Goff’s mental approach to the game…an approach that is foreign to me but one I appreciate.
I think that’s all true. And well said.
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October 28, 2017 at 5:28 pm #76617znModeratorThrough 7 Games, Goff has Shown Significant Improvement under McVay
Myles Simmons
Quarterback Jared Goff started seven games as a rookie. The results of those contest weren’t what anyone would have wanted — especially considering Los Angeles went 0-7.
But Goff has started seven games in 2017, too, and he’s thrived in head coach Sean McVay’s scheme. The Cal product is currently No. 7 with 1719 yards passing, he’s completing 60 percent of his passes, he has nine touchdowns to just four interceptions, and sports a 90.3 passer rating.
Plus, the quarterback leads a team that’s No. 1 in scoring at 30.3 points per game. You likely don’t need a reminder, but Los Angeles scored only 14.0 points per game in 2016, generating 10 points or fewer in nine of 16 games.
“I think really he’s done a good job of improving throughout this first part of the season,” McVay said of Goff this week. “I think he’s gotten better and better. I think that anytime that you’re able to learn from your experiences both good and bad, you’re going to give yourself a chance to for growth.”
Goff has done just that over the course of the season. For instance, in the Week 2 contest against Washington, Goff threw an interception to start what could’ve been a game-tying offensive series. A few weeks later against Seattle, Goff nearly led Los Angeles to a last-minute victory, delivering multiple accurate passes to bring the offense into scoring territory.
And the young quarterback continues to recognize where he can make improvements, as illustrated in his postgame comments after Sunday’s 33-0 victory over the Cardinals in London.
“I would say that I thought I took care of the ball well besides the one play,” Goff said, referring to his interception. “That play is one that’s going to stick with me and bother me for a little while, because it was just a dumb play. Dumb throw. Something I can’t do there. We would have been turnover free without that, I believe. So that’s one that I would like to have back.”
But even when those negative plays happen, McVay has said he’s been particularly impressed with Goff’s ability to come back in a positive manner.
“The one thing that I really have been impressed with with Jared is he takes things so well when they don’t always go our way,” McVay said. “You look at the way that he responded after we turned the ball over the other day, he responds with a great 16-play drive, had a couple good third-down conversions there where he’s throwing the football and [making] good decisions. I think he’s really doing a great job.”
The emergence of the Rams’ ground game with running back Todd Gurley has also clearly aided Goff and the rest of the unit.
“Whenever he’s getting going it obviously helps our whole offense,” Goff said. “I love handing off the ball and letting him run. There’s nothing better than that — letting him go. Then, obviously, it opens up the pass rush a lot more. So any time we can get him going, we want to. And I think it’s a testament to the guys up front ultimately — I think he would say the same thing. It’s nice having the holes he’s having now and him doing the rest.”
But McVay gave credit to Goff as well for the way the run game has been handled. And that’s part of what the head coach wants to continue to see as the season goes on.
“I think sometimes there’s things that take place where it might just be his handling of the run game that you can’t always appreciate that might not show up on the stats,” McVay said. “But I think he’s just continuing to take an ownership on our offense. We talk about being an extension of the coaching staff and I think he is truly starting to become that.
“But, he’s only going to continue to grow and get better,” McVay continued. “And in terms of where we want him to be, I think we just want him to just continue to take those daily steps and he’s done that and been receptive.”
October 28, 2017 at 6:46 pm #76620wvParticipantWell what’s his passer-rating the last three games, compared to the first three or four?
His QB rating keeps goin down, i believe.
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vOctober 28, 2017 at 6:58 pm #76622znModeratorWell what’s his passer-rating the last three games, compared to the first three or four?
His QB rating keeps goin down, i believe.
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vYes. There are of course a variety of reasons for that.
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November 1, 2017 at 7:50 pm #76755znModeratorGoff’s passer rating improvement is the 4th-best all-time
Cameron DaSilva
Jared Goff's passer rating improvement is the 4th-best all-time
Much has been made about Jared Goff’s improvement in his second season, and rightfully so. He’s looked like a completely different quarterback, completing 60 percent of his passes for an average of 245 yards per game with nine touchdowns and four interceptions.
His development goes beyond the stat sheet, too. He’s looking off defenders, throwing with anticipation and moving far better in the pocket. Everything about his play has been substantially better than last season.
To put it into perspective, his passer rating change has been one of the best in NFL history. According to the Rams’ media guide, Goff has improved his passer rating by 26.7 points. That’s the fourth-largest improvement from a quarterback’s rookie season through Week 8 of Year 2, only trailing Derek Carr, Jeff Garcia and Josh Freeman.
Goff ranks 14th in passer rating at 90.3, but that number was far higher earlier in the season. Through the first four weeks of the season, Goff’s passer rating was 112.2. In the past three games, it’s been just 65.9, dropping his overall mark by a whopping 21.9 points.
It won’t get any easier for the second-year quarterback on Sunday against the Giants, but not having to face Janoris Jenkins should ease the burden. Still, New York’s secondary and pass rush are among the best in the league, even if their 1-6 record doesn’t reflect it
November 1, 2017 at 8:31 pm #76767znModeratorfrom Midseason QB Index: Tom Brady, Carson Wentz wow
By Gregg Rosenthal
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000870774/article/midseason-qb-index-tom-brady-carson-wentz-wow
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Jared Goff
Consider it a great sign the Rams were able to get wins over the Jaguars and Cardinals without Goff needing to do that much. The bad news: He has increasingly struggled when not protected well as the season wears on, ranking No. 28 by Pro Football Focus when under pressure. The good news: He’s not under pressure that much. Goff shows off progress in other areas on a weekly basis, including his ability to get the Rams into the right play before the snap.
November 1, 2017 at 10:27 pm #76776znModeratorFancy Stats Analysis
The Rams have done everything possible to make Jared Goff’s job easier. It’s paying off.Mike Renner
The articles penned on former No. 1 overall NFL draft pick Jared Goff this offseason weren’t pretty. A simple Google search for “Jared Goff Bust” nets dozens of articles picking apart the Rams quarterback. With good reason. Stuart Chase of Football Perspective concluded that, when adjusting for era, Goff’s rookie season was worse statistically than Ryan Leaf’s.
The thing is, though — and I’m sure you’ve noticed this — playing quarterback in the NFL is hard. It’s on the coaches to make that incredibly difficult job as easy as humanly possible. The Rams’ staff a season ago did not hold up its end of the bargain. The new regime, Coach Sean McVay and offensive coordinator Matt LeFleur, has been on the opposite end of the spectrum.
The phrase “quarterback friendly” gets thrown around a lot to describe a system, but it’s really just a synonym for good scheming. If you’re not making life easy at the most important position on the field, then what exactly are you doing? McVay’s system has certainly earned the moniker, but let’s examine exactly how he’s done it.
[Fantasy football: Carson Wentz would make a great sell-high candidate]
Take the Pressure off the Position
While last year’s regime tried to take some pressure off their quarterback by going run heavy, it backfired with one of the least effective rushing attacks in the NFL. There are more ways to ease a quarterback’s burden than by taking the ball out of his hands.
One of the simplest and most effective ways is the play-action pass. It’s no coincidence that the Texans’ offense went from looking like a bumbling mess to one of the best in the league after it became the most play-action heavy team in the NFL. Similarly, it’s no coincidence that Goff has seen a considerable turnaround in his performance after utilizing play action on 14.1 percent of dropbacks last year (second lowest rate of any QB in the league) to 26.1 percent of dropbacks this season (sixth highest rate in NFL).
[Cam Newton walks out of another news conference]
It’s incorrect to think that you need a strong running game to use play action. While you’re not going to fool anyone if you use it on third-and-10, in any reasonable situation where the offense could run the ball, it works. Defensive linemen and linebackers still have to execute their run assignments. Below are the numbers league wide with and without play action.
Stat No PA PA
Comp % 60.60% 62.10%
YPA 6.5 8.1
TD Rate 3.70% 6.00%
INT Rate 2.30% 2.40%
Time to Throw 2.45 2.81
QB Rating 82.3 97.6
Pressure Rate 29.60% 32.30%
Those splits are eye opening, and should be shown to every coach in the NFL. It affords a QB much more time, without subjecting him to meaningfully more pressure and results in so many more favorable opportunities down the field. Goff’s numbers with and without play-action mirror the NFL rates almost exactly:Stat No PA PA
Comp % 59.00% 62.50%
YPA 7.0 10.1
TD Rate 4.80% 1.80%
INT Rate 2.30% 0.00%
Time to Throw 2.52 3.2
QB Rating 102.2 86.3
Pressure Rate 30.10% 32.10%
Deploying WeaponsThe talent difference between the 2016 Rams offense and the 2017 Rams offense is undeniable. The entire starting receiving corps turned over for the better from a season ago. The impact of players such as Robert Woods, Sammy Watkins, Cooper Kupp, Gerald Everett and Andrew Whitworth on the offense is undeniable, but it’s the way they’ve utilized those new and existing weapons that’s allowed them to lead the NFL in points per game (30.3).
Tavon Austin is no longer being asked to be a legitimate receiver. Kupp has been given the freedom to dominate the underneath route tree from the slot. And Todd Gurley is being schemed many more runs that test the edges of opposing defenses. Gurley’s best attribute is his ability to elude tackles with either agility or power in space. His vision has never been his strong suit, and his numbers suffered a season ago because he was often pounded directly into the center of a porous offensive line. Only 37.4 percent of his runs hit outside the tackles a season ago and a lot of those were him bouncing out with no hope inside. This season, 48.3 percent of his runs have hit off tackle and the results speak for themselves.
The Check down
One aspect of Goff’s game this year that has been drastically different is the rate at which he targets running backs. Any Gurley fantasy owner should have noticed this already. A season ago Goff had 190 targeted passes, 24 of which came to running backs (12.6 percent). This year on 208 dropbacks, Goff has targeted his backs 37 times (17.8 percent). Now five percentage points may not seem like a lot, but that translates to almost two plays a game. Those same two plays a season ago resulted in panic from their quarterback. With no outlet, those plays were sacks. They were interceptions. They were ugly. Now they’re positive plays that lead to far less stress on a young quarterback.
That’s truly the key. The biggest visual difference between Jared Goff from Year 1 to Year 2 is his stress level. He went from looking like he had never seen a pass rush before to operating the pocket like a veteran. A whole book can be written on all the differences from this year to last in L.A., but at the end of the day, it comes down to doing everything possible to make the quarterback’s life easier.
November 1, 2017 at 11:23 pm #76778znModeratorJared Goff’s career as a Ram has started a lot like Eli Manning’s when he broke in with the Giants
Gary Klein
http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-goff-eli-manning-20171101-story.html
The quarterback was taken No. 1 in the NFL draft, and then sat for nine games before he got his first start.
He struggled mightily as a rookie — drawing criticism from fans who questioned whether the team mortgaged its future to acquire him — before finding his footing during his second season and putting his team on track for the playoffs.
Jared Goff?
No, that was Eli Manning.
The two-time Super Bowl champion went 1-6 as a starter in his first season with the New York Giants in 2004, and then led them to an 11-5 record and playoff appearance in Year 2.
Goff, the No. 1 pick in the 2016 draft, appears to be on a similar second-year trajectory.
He was 0-7 as a starter last season, but has helped lead the Rams to a 5-2 start heading into Sunday’s game against Manning and the 1-6 Giants at MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, N.J.
Goff said Wednesday that he was a “big fan” of the 36-year-old Manning, who has passed for 330 touchdowns and nearly 50,000 yards during 13-plus NFL seasons, winning two Super Bowls.
“The way he plays the game,” Goff said, “and the way he goes about his business.”
Goff, 23, has completed 60% of his passes, nine for touchdowns, with four interceptions.
He bounced back from a middling performance at Jacksonville with a more efficient game in the Rams’ 33-0 victory over the Arizona Cardinals in London.
“He seems to be gaining confidence,” Giants coach Ben McAdoo said of Goff, adding, “The system seems to fit his skill set.”
Goff is “making steps in the right direction,” Rams coach Sean McVay said.
Playing at a similar level that Manning achieved during his career is the goal.
“The decision-making, playing with the timing and the rhythm — any time that you talk about the quarterback position, those are the things that you mention,” McVay said, “and Eli embodies that and that’s what Jared’s striving to do.”
This season, Manning has completed 64% of his passes — 10 for touchdowns, with five interceptions — for a team hit hard by injuries and locker-room issues.
The Giants lost star receiver Odell Beckham Jr. because of an ankle injury. They also are roiling in the aftermath of a suspension imposed this season upon cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and this week upon cornerback Janoris Jenkins.
“It happens, you know,” Manning told New York reporters Wednesday, adding, “We got to, obviously, go about our business and then when guys come back, you don’t think about it and you keep going.”
Manning demonstrated perseverance early in his career after making a declaration before he was drafted.
Manning played in college at Mississippi and had said before the 2004 draft that he would not sign with the then-San Diego Chargers if they selected him with the first pick.
But the Chargers did so anyway after working out a trade with the Giants. The Chargers sent Manning to New York for quarterback Philip Rivers and three draft picks, including a No. 1 pick in 2005.
Kevin Gilbride was Manning’s position coach during the quarterback’s first three NFL seasons and then became offensive coordinator for Giants teams that won Super Bowls in the 2007 and 2011 seasons.
Future Hall of Famer Kurt Warner was the Giants’ starting quarterback in 2004 before the Giants made the switch to Manning and lost six games in a row.
“For a while there now, it was tough to watch,” Gilbride said during a phone interview.
But Manning finished the season by leading the Giants to a victory over the Dallas Cowboys.
“What you see is the poise, the equanimity, the composure,” Gilbride said, “because he’s getting torn at 100 different ways and you just see whether or not he can deal with that.
“Because you have veteran teammates looking askance at you like, ‘What the freak is he in here for?’ Or the fans. ‘We wasted a draft pick on this guy?’ and so on and so forth. I just watched the way he handled it.”
Gilbride also coached Hall of Fame quarterback Warren Moon, Drew Bledsoe and Mark Brunell, among others.
“All the great ones, there’s a calmness about them,” he said. “They just don’t get frazzled very easily, and Eli’s definitely of that ilk as well.”
McVay has made similar comments about Goff. How he keeps his composure after setbacks. How he does not get rattled.
Asked how Goff compares to Manning, McVay noted that “Eli’s a Hall of Fame-caliber player.
“If we’re talking about that, then things are going really well for us, and for Jared moving forward into the future.”
November 3, 2017 at 1:43 am #76815znModeratorfrom NFL QB Power Rankings: Deshaun Watson’s torn ACL changes everything; Carson Wentz, Dak Prescott in top 5 after 8 weeks?
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10. Jared Goff – Los Angeles Rams
2017 Stats: 133-of-222 passing for 1,719 yards with nine touchdowns, four interceptions, sacked once.
Week 8 Stats: BYE WEEK
Previous Ranking: No. 13
Why Goff is No. 10: Goff’s game and skill-set continues to improve, and in London it was his ability to make plays on the run that added a new wrinkle thanks to two scrambles. New head coach Sean McVay’s play-calling and Goff’s week-to-week consistently has the Rams in the thick of the playoff race.
November 3, 2017 at 2:38 am #76821znModeratorThese are the highest-rated QBs on 3rd Down!#FlyEaglesFly #GoPats #Jets #OnePride #LARams #ChiefsKingdom #Browns #KeepPounding pic.twitter.com/bi9FYriCGu
— NFL Matchup on ESPN (@NFLMatchup) October 31, 2017
November 3, 2017 at 2:39 am #76823znModeratorThese are the highest-rated QBs in the Red Zone!#GiantsPride #GoSaints #FlyEaglesFly #SKOL #Jets #BroncosCountry #Bucs #GoPats pic.twitter.com/4STr28KEHV
— NFL Matchup on ESPN (@NFLMatchup) October 31, 2017
November 3, 2017 at 2:42 am #76826znModeratorThese Quarterbacks have the most and fewest completions over 20 yards!#GoPats #GoSaints #HTTR #LARams #Texans #FinsUp #RavensFlock #Giants pic.twitter.com/CkDjezdeHJ
— NFL Matchup on ESPN (@NFLMatchup) October 30, 2017
November 3, 2017 at 8:34 pm #76864znModeratorTWO VIEWS
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Blue and Gold wrote:
I watched some more to confirm what I thought I saw each week. Watkins gets open, and there have been missed opportunities but sometimes Goff takes the safer throw, and that’s fine. Watkins is our X and plenty of times he’s on the 2 receiver side and often when QBs are asked to read one side of the field only it’s the 3 receiver side, the strong side, so that will leave out some things that might go to Watkins if it were not a rookie QB, which Goff still kind of is.
I think the concern about Watkins isn’t that big a deal, at least not as big as it’s been made in sub-media and boards.
Sure, I will offense were hitting on all cylinders now, but if he are hitting on 5-6 of 8 and are 5-2 I have no beefs.
Some examples
This is game 4, he’s reading the strong side. This is a mirrored formation and mirrored route concept…and Goff looks right, and sees Higbee has enough leverage to get open and throws an excellent ball for a big gain. It’s just frustrating to look at the All-22 and see touchdowns left on the board.
IT shows the concepts are good, the routes are good, the protection is good and in 2nd half of year McVay can coach up Goff and maybe we get a few of these wide open big gainers.
This one is a good play, a good throw to Woods…but again Watkins has single coverage up top and when you watch Sammy is pulling away. All these really show that for whatever reason, Goff is not looking to Watkins. And on some of them it’s a good thing, Goff takes a safe throw for a good gainer, but at some point they need to look to the big play opportunities Watkins gives them. Not all of them, but on occasion
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jrry32 wrote:
I’ve seen Goff go through 3 to 5 progressions on a single play more than a few times this year with my own two eyes. Hell, I’ll quote Sean McVay on this: “He got all the way through the progression and found Todd on the backside,” McVay said of Goff. “It was basically his fifth read. That’s impressive.”
Here’s the play he’s talking about:
We’re not running a two-read offense. Hell, that doesn’t even make sense. Gurley wouldn’t be having the year he’s having if we were running a two-read offense because he wouldn’t be one of the two reads. McVay loves to attack all three levels of the field. If he were running a two-read offense, Goff would be reading deep to intermediate. Instead, Gurley catches a lot of passes when Goff checks down after looking down the field.
This isn’t a two-read scheme. Goff is reading the entirety of the field and going through the same types of progressions as the Pro Bowl and All Pro QBs.
And they run the two and three WR bunch sets because it makes it difficult for the defense to press the WRs, causes confusion, creates early separation, and allows for us to utilize pick routes. Crosses and slants are known for being man-beaters. That’s why we run them so often.
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