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    wv
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    #105608
    Billy_T
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    Did you finish The Overstory, WV?

    Powers uses that term, if memory serves, and talks about the same things.

    He drew a great deal from Peter Wohlleben’s work, especially his The Hidden Life of Trees, which also uses the term. Worth a read. It’s short, too.

    #105612
    wv
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    Did you finish The Overstory, WV?

    Powers uses that term, if memory serves, and talks about the same things.

    He drew a great deal from Peter Wohlleben’s work, especially his The Hidden Life of Trees, which also uses the term. Worth a read. It’s short, too.

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    I did finally finish it. I thought the first 300 pages were awesome. Great stuff. One of my favorite books of the decade. The next 100 pages were just ‘so so’ for me. And the last 100 pages I was losing interest. I just thot Powers kinda lost his way er somethin. But again, one of my favorite books. 300 good pages is excellent. Maybe i just got tired or somethin. Coulda been me and not the book.

    I am now reading the Hidden Life of Trees. Coz i heard Powers mention it in an interview. Its a breezy read, and the writer really anthro-po-morphizes a lot, but i dont mind. Not sure Nittany would like it, but its right up my alley 🙂

    I also bought another book Powers mentioned: Oak, the Frame of Civilization. Or somethin like that.

    This is my Year of Trees, i guess.

    We have a little Arboretum in my town. I hadnt walked through it in a long time. I walked some of the trails the other day and I got a lot more out of it since reading Overstory. There’s a Redwood in the place. I didnt know redwoods could grow in WV. But i was walking and I came upon this awesome, large, reddish tree and I smiled when i read the label on it. Cant remember what kindof redwood it was.
    One of the things I looked at closely was the bark on the various trees. I’d never looked at bark before. I was bark-blind, before i read Overstory. Now, i see bark.

    PS — In Overstory the characters read and talk about “The Secret Forest”. I ‘think’ thats the name of the book they refer to. Anyway, I tried to find the book online and there were a couple of books with that name or a name close to that. One was a children’s book and one was about a gazillion dollars, but neither seemed quite ‘right’ in the context of Overstory. Was that book in the story just a ‘made up’ book to fit into the story? Or were the characters referring to a real book?

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    #105642
    Billy_T
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    I’m pretty sure that book was fiction for the story itself. I tried to find it too.

    Your take is interesting, and I agree with a lot of it. I think Powers should have trimmed the book a bit, to borrow some of his own metaphors. Lopped off a branch or two. I would have gotten rid of the couple introduced a bit later in the story, for instance. Had to jog my memory via wikipedia, but I think it was Dorothy and Ray. To me, they were the least integrated into the story, the least “organic.” I was also just so so about the computer whiz kid.

    Arboretums. We have a pretty nice one in a nearby town, fairly new, and I like to go there to hike, think, than find one of its wooden benches to read a bit. Might do so today. But nothing compares to the Blue Ridge for me. It’s a longer drive, but the views are stunning and nature is the star all on its own, with nothing to prove. No cages. We’re the guests, etc.

    #105663
    wv
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    I would have gotten rid of the couple introduced a bit later in the story, for instance. Had to jog my memory via wikipedia, but I think it was Dorothy and Ray. To me, they were the least integrated into the story, the least “organic.” I was also just so so about the computer whiz kid.
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    Yup. Agree.

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    #130720
    Zooey
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    I missed this conversation, probably on purpose, since I had never heard of the book in 2019. My son loved it so much, I started reading it in December. Finally finished a couple of weeks ago.

    I grew impatient with the book. It seemed to drag a lot, (though I feel I take some of the responsibility for that since I took an unusually long time to read it). However, I don’t have any idea whatsoever what could be trimmed out.

    Dorothy and Ray are indispensable. The book closes with Ray providing the “self-defense” argument which is certainly intriguing, and I would love it if that argument was actually used in real life by somebody. And I think Neelay (computer whiz kid) provides the possibility of transferring all life into virtual existence. I took that as a nod to the idea that we might all be living in a computer anyway. I don’t know if I misread that or not, but if that isn’t what Powers was going for, but if it wasn’t, I have no idea what function that character had. Pretty much that’s the only thing he did in the book, and his break from his company board is over the issue of making his game exactly the same as real life instead of some fantasy world where – in the end – nothing one does actually means anything. So whether you like those three characters much or not, practically the entire book’s meaning rests on them. They are far more important than the other characters in terms of the Final Takeaways. I agree, though, that they were the three Least Interesting characters.

    #130723
    Billy_T
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    I think we’re all basically on the same page about the book. Flawed, a bit too long, but brilliant and important. I wish they’d make a series out of it. HBO, Netflix, etc.

    Powers mentioned Susan Simard as being important in his research. She has a new book out now and it’s in my ebook queue.

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    #130731
    zn
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    nothing compares to the Blue Ridge for me. It’s a longer drive, but the views are stunning and nature is the star all on its own, with nothing to prove. No cages. We’re the guests, et

    I have always had an affinity for the woods. It has always just been there. (I know you were talking about mountains but if I recall the Blue Ridge area is heavily forested.) My family was very into camping growing up and in fact they still have a cabin in western Ontario. So I like where the spouse-n-I live now cause it’s wooded. I will always take longer routes driving around if it takes me through wooded areas and will avoid the straighter routes that are full of stores and gas stations and concrete. In fact here’s a view of our house (we live on a cul de sac). The 2nd pic is our garden (or about 1/4th of it) as it stood 3 or 4 weeks ago. The third pic is the area where we live (which is called Cumberland Foreside).



    #130732
    JackPMiller
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    #130736
    Billy_T
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    Yep. The Blue Ridge is heavily forested. One of the best features of that beautiful and varied range. Very different from California mountains near LA — unless I missed those with forests. San Fran, of course, has the Muir Woods nearby, and those are stunning. Could spend days there. But, for me, the mountains need the forests too. They need the green, and then the explosion of colors in the Fall.

    The trifecta for me would be forested mountains and the ocean. In another life, I’ll have a castle on a cliff overlooking a range to the left, a range to the right, and the ocean in the middle of that view.

    Good for the soul, that walk in the woods. Good for the soul.

    #130737
    Zooey
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    Wow, zn, that is a beautiful place to live. And the Lombardi Trophy in your garden is a special touch.

    I have a nice piece of property in a still-small, gold rush town, but I would be happier if I lived in a place even more rural. I’d like to live among more wildlife with less pavement and more bugs. Less light pollution. A place where you can’t hear any traffic most of the time.

    #130738
    Zooey
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    Flawed, a bit too long, but brilliant and important.

    Yes. I think you nailed it in that sentence.

    The knowledge he has is impressive. He knows a lot about trees, and seemed personally familiar with all the locations of the book. That is not a novel that some guy made up off the top of his head. He knows a hell of a lot, and the delivery method he used to unfold his knowledge of trees, as well as his philosophy, on the reader was brilliant. The way the narrative actually parallels the section headings (Roots, Trunk, Crown, Seeds) was interesting, and I thought it “worked.”

    #130740
    zn
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    Wow, zn, that is a beautiful place to live. And the Lombardi Trophy in your garden is a special touch.

    I have a nice piece of property in a still-small, gold rush town, but I would be happier if I lived in a place even more rural. I’d like to live among more wildlife with less pavement and more bugs. Less light pollution. A place where you can’t hear any traffic most of the time.

    You’ve posted pics of different parts of your place before. It looks good. I thought it was cool.

    We do have some wildlife. In our backyard we’ve seen wild turkeys (pretty regularly), red foxes, big ass “Last of the Mohicans” style white tail deer, possums. There’s rare kinds of woodpeckers. There’s supposed to be a fisher cat but I have never seen it–though we do know that in this neighborhood, cats that go outdoors tend to disappear, which is probably the fisher cat (which are amazingly vicious). The garden when it blooms (it’s really a summer/fall garden without real blooms before July) brings swarms of hummingbirds. I have a standing request from my wife–she sleeps during the day to work a night shift (as an RN), but if I see hummingbirds in the garden she wants me to wake her to see them.

    #130743
    Zooey
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    I wish they’d make a series out of it. HBO, Netflix, etc.

    Oh, btw, Billy…

    Television adaptation
    In February 2021, it was reported that Netflix was developing a television adaptation of the novel. It will be executive-produced by David Benioff, D.B. Weiss, and Hugh Jackman.[7]

    #130744
    Billy_T
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    Your place does look great, ZN.

    I planted a bunch of trees around my house as soon as I moved in, but it doesn’t have the same look as an established old grouping. Did the best I could, etc.

    (The sub-development was originally farmland, and basically treeless, from what I’ve been told)

    As mentioned, I have to travel within an hour’s range to get to the truly dramatic, walkable (and forested) scenery, but I can see the mountains from home, with better views less than a mile away. Just outside my neighborhood is a great walking track with fine views of the mountains and farmland. The latter is all around me, and I hope it stays that way.

    #130745
    Billy_T
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    I wish they’d make a series out of it. HBO, Netflix, etc.

    Oh, btw, Billy…

    Television adaptation
    In February 2021, it was reported that Netflix was developing a television adaptation of the novel. It will be executive-produced by David Benioff, D.B. Weiss, and Hugh Jackman.[7]

    Thanks, Zooey. That’s great news. Game of Thrones show-runners, plus Wolverine. Interesting!

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