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  • #24713
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    bailey is going to be good this year…

    britt should be fine.

    quick and austin are the unknowns i think at this point.

    #24849
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    from off the net

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    Memphis Ram said:

    It’s easier to get him that matchup/coverage playing him outside vs. in the slot. Even in Philly, Jackson did most (if not all) of his damage at or outside. Looking for a football fix, I’ve watched a few games on NFL Rewind the past few days and while I still believe the outside WR Desean Jackson model is the way to go………Austin did seem open on several plays where he didn’t get the football.

    -X-

    That’s what I saw too. He was on the outside quite a few times, and sometimes not even directly. He would motion out of the slot on crossing patterns (with the flanker) that turned into out-n-ups on the perimeter. I don’t think just ‘sticking him on the outside’ is going to be the answer. While fast, he’s not going to win jump battles, and it’s incredibly difficult to drop a ball in the bucket between the safety and corner to a receiver of his stature.

    #24869
    Herzog
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    He’s a punt returner.

    Meanwhile, he used the crap out of Givens as a rookie on deep patterns and it worked.

    Why don’t we still use Givens in this capacity. If he’s a one trick pony, let’s use that one trick.

    #24875
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    Austin will never be as good as I hoped, I fear, because of a number of factors. He has shown that he cannot bounce off a hit or even break an arm tackle. He’s too easy to bring down once contacted. He isn’t as instinctive a football player as I hoped. It takes him time to understand the offense and his role, and it’s taken him too long to adjust to the speed of the NFL. The injuries have hurt his progress, too. I don’t know if he’s “injury prone” but I underestimated how much his small stature may lead to injuries. That has nothing to do with his height, but his build and strength. Where his size does hurt is that he’s so small on the outside that most QBs are going to have a hard time seeing him and dropping the ball to him between the safety and the corner. They’re not going to try to throw high to him along the sideline.

    Yet, despite all of that, he’s made some amazing plays. Just not consistently enough. I also think he’s done a good job running the ball out of the backfield, much better than I ever anticipated. He’s just more of a situational type of guy. On a wide open offense, he’d be hell to cover, but I do agree with RFL to an extent that he doesn’t really fit with this offense … not enough to justify what they gave up for him. You don’t take the type of player that we collectively described here in the Top 10, and you sure don’t trade up for him. I was excited to get him, and surprised when the Rams traded up for him. But, I think the Rams missed the boat on what he could be on this team. I’m sure they thought he could make a major impact immediately. Now, you have to game plan just to try to get him involved. This is definitely going to be a telling year as to whether Austin can take a step forward. If he doesn’t, I could see this team trading him next offseason.

    #24899
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    Austin will never be as good as I hoped, I fear, because of a number of factors. He has shown that he cannot bounce off a hit or even break an arm tackle. He’s too easy to bring down once contacted. He isn’t as instinctive a football player as I hoped. It takes him time to understand the offense and his role, and it’s taken him too long to adjust to the speed of the NFL. The injuries have hurt his progress, too. I don’t know if he’s “injury prone” but I underestimated how much his small stature may lead to injuries. That has nothing to do with his height, but his build and strength. Where his size does hurt is that he’s so small on the outside that most QBs are going to have a hard time seeing him and dropping the ball to him between the safety and the corner. They’re not going to try to throw high to him along the sideline.

    Yet, despite all of that, he’s made some amazing plays. Just not consistently enough. I also think he’s done a good job running the ball out of the backfield, much better than I ever anticipated. He’s just more of a situational type of guy. On a wide open offense, he’d be hell to cover, but I do agree with RFL to an extent that he doesn’t really fit with this offense … not enough to justify what they gave up for him. You don’t take the type of player that we collectively described here in the Top 10, and you sure don’t trade up for him. I was excited to get him, and surprised when the Rams traded up for him. But, I think the Rams missed the boat on what he could be on this team. I’m sure they thought he could make a major impact immediately. Now, you have to game plan just to try to get him involved. This is definitely going to be a telling year as to whether Austin can take a step forward. If he doesn’t, I could see this team trading him next offseason.

    i agree with a lot of that. at this point i’d say he’s a fourth wide receiver on this team at best. i do think, however, he can have a fit on this offense. a change of pace if you will. like i said you could pound a team with gurley and mason and then hit them with a change of pace running a jet sweep with austin. i could see that being effective. again. not on a regular basis but every once in awhile to keep the defense honest. and then finding him deep every now and then for a quick strike.

    i think he’d be a nice contrast to the featured players on offense.

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    #24903
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    I have to admit one thing. He was actually amazing when he was in man coverage. Teams caught on to that real quick and he is basically useless otherwise.

    Well, I think, I just am not versed in coverages to really understand it all.

    #24905
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    He’s just more of a situational type of guy. On a wide open offense, he’d be hell to cover, but I do agree with RFL to an extent that he doesn’t really fit with this offense … not enough to justify what they gave up for him..

    I dunno. To me, its up to the coaches to ‘make’ him ‘fit’.
    I mean, I just dont think a player as dynamic as Tavon
    can be a ‘bad fit’ for any good offense.

    I do indeed think the offensive coaches failed to use
    him in a way that best suits his skill set.

    Having said that, i also agree with the folks that
    noticed Tavon has been slow to pick up the nuances of the BS-offense,
    and he dropped too many balls, and he was ‘thinking’ too much
    and not playing instinctively.

    In general, he’s been a disappointment to me.
    But he’s also been Mr Excitement on Special teams
    and he’s shown some great potential on offense.

    So…we’ll see how things unfold in Tavon’s third year.

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    #25166
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    IMO this is a related issue. Mike Zimmer: Cordarrelle Patterson running better routes

    http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/49849/Mike-Zimmer–Cordarrelle-Patterson-running-better-routes/Default.aspx

    Vikings coach Mike Zimmer has noticed and is pleased with the offseason work put in by Cordarrelle Patterson, who’s suddenly looking at a depth chart that includes offseason trade acquisition Mike Wallace, last year’s breakout player Charles Johnson and Jarius Wright, Brian Hall of FOX Sports North reports. Patterson will try to etch out his own niche and become a valuable piece of the receiving corps.

    “He’s really done well,” Zimmer said last week of Patterson. “He’s running routes good. He’s working hard. So we just need him to continue to do those things and continue to keep getting consistent and keep improving. I’ve been impressed with the things that he’s done.”

    Consistency, particularly in route running, is a major factor for Patterson. Always blessed with the physical talent, Patterson has concentrated more on the mental aspect of the game.

    “Growing up, I was always athletic and could just do anything,” Patterson said. “I’m in the NFL now so I just have to focus on my craft and just work at route running, getting in and getting out of breaks and stuff like that.”

    Patterson realized he needed more than just his speed and athleticism to succeed against NFL defenses. Patterson and the Vikings hope the offseason work, both mentally and physically, helps him rediscover the game-breaking ability which led to so much talk about the young receiver and returner.

    “I felt like I was letting my whole team down and the coaches,” Patterson said of seeing his season slip away last year. “I feel like I have a lot to prove this year to everyone, fans and everybody else. So, this year is going to make me or break me. I hope I step up this year and have a good role in this offense.”

    #25800
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    from off the net

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    Prometheus Faulk

    The conundrum of trying to incorporate the space player into a team whose offense is trying to be center-pieced around a power run game isn’t easy, heck Seattle failed trying to do it with Harvin (though obviously succeeding in the bigger picture).

    To me, it makes a lot of sense to get him rolling on jet sweeps and screens when you can. The essential caveat is that you’re going to need traditional receivers to create space for him in order to be effective.

    Part of the reason Bush and Sproles were so effective for Peyton is that they had Colston and later Graham to draw defensive attention, for instance.

    So IMO, if you want to create plays for Austin, you need defenses to fear Britt and Quick and Cook. I dunno if that’s happened enough yet.

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    #25802
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    well how about gurley and mason? can they create space for austin to do some damage? interesting that one poster brought up percy harvin. harvin’s best seasons were when he played in minnesota alongside adrian peterson. i don’t know. just throwing that out there.

    i don’t know about x’s and o’s, but i’m wondering with a successful power running game if that opens things up for a player like tavon.

    #26330
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    Austin looking to make impact with Rams

    By Nate Latsch

    http://www.scout.com/nfl/rams/story/1555292-austin-looking-to-make-impact-with-rams

    ST. LOUIS — Tavon Austin has heard that people think he is a bust.
    The Rams’ diminutive speedster, the No. 8 overall pick of the 2013 Draft, is determined to write a different story in his third NFL season.

    “Just because of how all the media say I’m a bust and all that stuff,” Austin said during a Rams’ OTA session last week. “I really don’t pay too much attention, but for the most part I know one thing about it — when I’m focused, I’m focused. It’s going to be a different story this year.”

    The 24-year-old said it used to bug him a lot when he heard the negative commentary regarding his play, but now he tries not to pay attention to it. He did offer that it serves as a source of motivation.

    “For the most part I let my family motivate me,” he said. “I don’t pay much (attention) to the outside world. They don’t really know what’s going on. They’ve got something to say about everything, but at the end of the day the Rams know what’s going on and I know what’s going on so that’s all that matters.”

    Austin established himself as one of the most dynamic players in college football during his senior season at West Virginia in 2012 when he caught 114 passes and racked up 1,932 yards from scrimmage (1,289 receiving, 643 rushing) and 17 total touchdowns (12 receiving, three rushing and two on kick and punt returns).

    The Rams, seeking to add a playmaker to the offense for quarterback Sam Bradford, made a draft day deal with the Buffalo Bills to move up to pick Austin. St. Louis traded its picks in the first, second, third and seventh rounds to Buffalo for the Bills’ first and third rounders.

    The Rams took Austin at No. 8 overall and then safety T.J. McDonald with the third-round pick. The Bills selected quarterback E.J. Manuel in the first, linebacker Kiko Alonso in the second, wide receiver Marquise Goodwin in the third and then tight end Chris Gragg in the seventh.

    Austin has flashed his playmaking potential in his first two seasons but failed to find a role as a consistent contributor in a Rams offense still searching for success. Which has led onlookers to wonder and theorize why he hasn’t made more of an impact.

    Is it because of the scheme and play-calling of former offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer led to fewer opportunities? Is it because of the unsettled situation at quarterback, where Bradford’s devastating knee injuries led to Kellen Clemens, Shaun Hill and Austin Davis leading the offense? Or is it that Austin just isn’t good enough?

    In 13 games as a rookie, Austin had 569 yards from scrimmage and six total touchdowns — he caught 40 passes for 418 yards and four touchdowns, ran nine times for 151 yards and a touchdown and added a 98-yard punt return touchdown.

    In his second season, in 15 games, Austin accumulated 466 yards from scrimmage and three total touchdowns — he had 31 receptions for 242 yards, ran 36 times for 224 yards and two scores and returned a punt 78 yards for another score.

    Now, the Rams have a new quarterback in Nick Foles and a new offensive coordinator in Frank Cignetti. Austin is hoping that he’ll have more chances to make more plays.

    “Basically it depends on opportunities,” he said. “Last year I didn’t have too many opportunities out there. Different offensive coordinator. Different quarterback. I’m just thankful. Things are working out in my favor right now. Hopefully everything just keeps going my way and I’ll make some good plays.”

    Austin said Cignetti, who was previously the Rams’ quarterbacks coach, has been talking to him about what the speedy wide receiver sees out on the practice field and what he likes.

    “He’s trying to get me a little more involved in the offense, so I’m definitely happy with that,” Austin said. “Hopefully we just keep rolling over into camp and keep going from there.”

    Austin was asked if he wasn’t as involved with the offense in the past.

    “I wouldn’t say that,” he explained. “When it’s your time, it’s your time. I just felt like it wasn’t my time back then, but I feel like now might be my time, so I have to step up to the plate and take advantage of it.”

    Austin then described his first two seasons as a learning experience.

    “Right now I feel like I’m ready,” he said. “Not saying I wasn’t ready the other two years, but I feel I’m a little more confident. I’m just taking it day by day and getting better.”

    #26333
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    “Right now I feel like I’m ready,” he said. “Not saying I wasn’t ready the other two years, but I feel I’m a little more confident. I’m just taking it day by day and getting better.”

    Not saying he wasn’t as ready before, but, he wasn’t as ready before. s

    Actually I don’t know that. It’s my theory. And it’s more of wasn’t “as” ready. I think TA had a long learning curve.

    Even now though, if he does step up, I don’t expect a true fulltime receiver. I just expect more receiving yards as part of his “combined yards” package.

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    #26340
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    speaking of combined yards. i’d like to see 1500 all purpose yards from tavon in 2015. at least.

    #26401
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    St. Louis Rams wide receiver Tavon Austin speaks to Palmer Alexander of The St. Louis American about the upcoming NFL season. Austin gives his insight on working with a new offensive coordinator, his role in the offense and expectations in his third season as a pro.

    #26411
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    Cignetti on Austin, solving (for me anyway) one mystery:

    You can just see it from his route running. What a difference

    IE. I take that as saying he’s working on his route running.

    http://theramshuddle.com/topic/fisher-cignetti-foles-616-transcripts/

    #26546
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    Rams’ Tavon Austin aiming to shed bust label in 2015

    Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/19345/rams-tavon-austin-aiming-to-shed-bust-label-in-2015

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — Two years into a thus-far disappointing NFL career, St. Louis Rams receiver Tavon Austin has heard the whispers. For Austin, the No. 8 overall pick in the 2013 NFL draft, one word rises above the rest: bust.

    Entering his third season, Austin says he has made it a point to block out what others have to say but he hasn’t been able to completely avoid the criticism. It’s part of why Austin views this season as critically important to his NFL future.

    “I think it’s real big to be honest just because of how the media say I’m a bust and all of that stuff,” Austin said. “I really don’t pay too much attention to it but I know one thing about it is when I’m focused, I’m focused. It’s going to be a different story this year and we’ll see what happens when we get to the end of the year.”

    For both Austin and the Rams’ sake, the hope is that in 2015 Austin will drastically change the narrative of his career to this point. When the Rams traded up to take him at No. 8, they envisioned him becoming the type of dangerous Swiss Army Knife capable of dissecting opponents as a receiver, running back and punt returner.

    As it’s turned out, the bulk of Austin’s production has mainly come as a returner, which makes trading up and spending the No. 8 overall pick a costly proposition for a special-teamer. As a receiver, Austin has 71 catches for 660 yards and four touchdowns in his first two seasons. Those numbers dipped to 31 receptions for 242 yards and zero touchdowns last season.

    In the meantime, the Rams converted Austin into more of a running back under then offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer. He had 36 carries for 224 yards and two touchdowns on the ground in 2014, though Schottenheimer’s insistence on running him between the tackles on a consistent basis left many scratching their heads.

    Which is why some view Schottenheimer’s departure and the subsequent promotion of Frank Cignetti Jr. to coordinator as a glimmer of hope that Austin can deliver on his pre-draft promise.

    Cignetti said Tuesday that Austin looks poised for a breakthrough.

    “Tavon Austin’s had a great offseason,” Cignetti said. “Tremendous. It starts in the classroom. He’s learning, he’s paying attention. He’s bringing it to the practice field. You can just see it from his route running. What a difference. His effort, his attention to details. Every day out here, the guy’s made plays. Tavon’s had a great offseason and he’ll continue that into training camp.”

    In a Rams offense that figures to be power-run heavy, the obvious question is where Austin fits into the scheme.

    Skeptics might say that a 5-foot-8, 176-pound receiver in a run-heavy offense is the football equivalent of forcing a square peg in a round hole. Optimists might view Austin as the ideal complement to that offensive approach, capable of taking jet sweeps and short passes the distance to give the offense another look.

    Cignetti wants to get Austin back to basics.

    “Tavon Austin’s a wide receiver,” Cignetti said. “I wouldn’t say he’s a change-of-pace guy. He’s a guy you can put out there every down and the defense has to recognize, ‘Hey, Tavon’s on the field.’ So, whether it’s running down-the-field routes, intermediate routes, short routes or manipulating his touches, the defense always has to be aware of where is Tavon Austin.”

    Austin’s lack of production to this point doesn’t solely fall on lack of creativity, either. By his own admission, he’s struggled to pick up the playbook and the nuances of route running. During organized team activities, Austin has been sharper than in the past, showing a newfound knack for making plays in traffic. Of course, he’s flashed in practice in the past and it hasn’t translated to the field.

    Much like the rest of the offense, the proof will be in the production.

    “Coach Cignetti has got a good scheme, good plan for me, going to try to get the ball in my hands as much as possible,” Austin said. “But in this league, you have got to be patient. Even if it comes to me blocking somebody or catching a deep ball, I’m definitely up for the challenge and hopefully I can touch the ball a little more this year.”

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