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January 7, 2023 at 7:57 pm #142459znModerator
JM posted this in another thread but I thought it could make for its own thread
Sean McVay's immediate future as the Los Angeles Rams head coach is in limbo, multiple sources told ESPN.https://t.co/sK7YO8Fmf1
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 8, 2023
January 7, 2023 at 7:58 pm #142460znModeratorWell, it was fun while it lasted. Sean McVay's future as the Rams' head coach is "in limbo," per Schefter.
McVay will take some time after Sunday's game to decide whether he'll be back in 2023 https://t.co/Ex22Kxz61b
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) January 8, 2023
January 7, 2023 at 9:04 pm #142466znModeratorWay back on Thursday’s BS Pod: @PSchrags talked pretty extensively about Sean McVay’s unclear future with the Rams for next season. pic.twitter.com/TZchkPID7r
— Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons) January 8, 2023
January 7, 2023 at 10:16 pm #142468canadaramParticipantUgh! I hope that he stays.
January 7, 2023 at 10:59 pm #142469InvaderRamModeratorwell this has to be the toughest season for him as a head coach. hopefully he just needs some time away.
January 7, 2023 at 11:32 pm #142470Billy_TParticipantI’ve got a feeling he’s going to step away for a year or two, and then come back, but probably not with the Rams. He’s a very intense coach, from most reports, a workaholic like Vermeil, and this probably doesn’t go over that well with his new wife. They want to raise a family too, from what I’ve read, and TV announcers get to spend a hell of a lot more time at home, if they want to, than NFL coaches. It’s not close.
Like most Rams fans, I hope he stays. But if he goes, the Rams are likely going to be in very bad shape for the next few years. In the near term, they’ll lose some valuable time getting ready for the Draft and Free Agency . . . staring over from scratch . . . time they had gained as a kind of silver lining for failing to make the playoffs.
Of course, it all depends on their next hire, but how will this impact FA signings, Donald coming back, etc. etc.?
Not good. Not good at all.
January 8, 2023 at 1:23 am #142471ZooeyModeratorWell, all of a sudden Sean Payton and Vic Fangio to LA is suddenly on the map and probably feels most likely if Sean McVay does step away.
Gonna be a looooooong offseason.
— Sosa Kremenjas (@QBsMVP) January 8, 2023
January 8, 2023 at 12:07 pm #142474znModeratorHoldenCantor@HoldenCantor
Per @PSchrags on the @BillSimmons podcast Sean McVay is burnt out. Mentally, emotionally, all of it. He thinks he is just spent.Peter is close to McVay and close to people in the Rams organization
Sosa Kremenjas@QBsMVPP Schrags on Sean McVay on FOX right now: – Won’t be a surprise, ongoing dialogue – McVay and Rams talking – He’s gone back and forth over the past several days – Needs the time to reconsider everything – No decision made yetJanuary 8, 2023 at 12:19 pm #142475znModeratorIn terms of the McVay legacy, if he steps away after his first season of real adversity, then, I will probably think less of him. He never had to rebuild a team the way Vermeil did. He had kind of an entitled entry into the profession, taking over a team that had a lot of young pieces already (he added to the WRs and got Whitworth).
There’s a lot to McVay and he’s obviously a tremendous coach, but, he does have his little character flaws.
Then so did Vermeil. Remember the “so-called superstar” remark? And retiring after 99 then regretting it?
Ah the fortunes of Rams fans. 😎
January 8, 2023 at 12:40 pm #142477canadaramParticipantIn terms of the McVay legacy, if he steps away after his first season of real adversity, then, I will probably think less of him…
I think all of that is fair.
January 8, 2023 at 2:34 pm #142478Billy_TParticipantIt’s not personal. I don’t know him from Atom. But I do think it’s problematic for him to leave this early, especially after cleaning the cupboard out. Basically, cutting starters left and right, leaving the Rams with a major cap-crunch, and far too few draft picks. Snead has a huge role in that too, of course.
As the young kids used to say, that’s not kewl.
IMO, If you’re going to toss aside all kinds of young players, for nothing in return, you stay and take ownership of that “strategy.” If you’re going trade a Robert Woods for peanuts, when receivers are gaining more importance in the eyes of GMs league-wide, you stay to work that model. You keep working the model of Next Guy Up, or Next UDFA up, etc. etc. Don’t leave the next coaching staff all of those deficits in your wake.
Winning the Super Bowl was awesome, and McVay is a talented coach, obviously. It was joyous to behold. But, I think ZN makes a good point. Leaving after the first really tough year? And he’ll be leaving behind a big old mess.
January 8, 2023 at 5:02 pm #142479InvaderRamModeratorWell, all of a sudden Sean Payton and Vic Fangio to LA is suddenly on the map and probably feels most likely if Sean McVay does step away.
well. wouldn’t be the worst thing if payton and fangio came in…
especially if they need to replace stafford at some point. isn’t payton supposed to be good at developing qbs?
in any case. i really doubt mcvay leaves this year. maybe in another three or four years.
January 8, 2023 at 9:03 pm #142484znModeratorHere's what I know about a very fluid Sean McVay situation: https://t.co/IULIWsZYcd
— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) January 8, 2023
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Rams’ Sean McVay evaluating short-term future in ‘fluid’ situation: Sources
Jourdan Rodrigue
SEATTLE — Los Angeles Rams coach Sean McVay is in the process of evaluating his options for 2023, multiple team and league personnel told The Athletic over the last several days. The people who spoke were granted anonymity so they could provide deeper context to what has been characterized as a “fluid” situation.
McVay, 36, is deciding whether he wants to coach or take a break after a 5-11 season he has referred to as a “professional failure” and that has clearly taken a toll on his psychological well-being.
While McVay has been openly courted with high-dollar offers by broadcasting companies for a few years, including this year, his pending decision does not correlate to any current offer in that field, a person with knowledge of McVay’s process said. Instead, McVay is deciding whether it is healthiest for him to take a break from football. McVay has publicly reiterated that he would like to go into broadcasting at some point in the future.
The Rams have worked through this conversation with McVay on multiple occasions before, including after the 2022 season (though that had more to do with the offers McVay was receiving from media companies at that time).
After winning the Super Bowl last February, McVay signed a contract through 2026 with the Rams that placed him among the higher-paid coaches in the NFL, and the team also extended core players Matthew Stafford, Aaron Donald and Cooper Kupp.
The Rams have made it clear to McVay that they support however he wants to proceed, a person directly familiar with his process said — whether he needs to take a break, or perhaps if they can make changes as an organization in 2023 to give him what he needs to work at his best. This could be inclusive of coaching changes at assistant positions to help with McVay and his staff’s workload management, among other support ideas.
But, the people who spoke on the condition of anonymity added, McVay’s mind is not made up. Instead, he will take some time to evaluate his decision. The Rams have not given McVay a deadline.
Multiple team personnel who spoke with The Athletic also noted that they would not be surprised by whatever the decision is that he ultimately makes, either way.
One person with direct knowledge of the Rams’ contingency plans for either option, who was granted anonymity in order to speak freely, said that even if McVay decided to step away in 2023, the organization does not currently believe he would permanently retire from coaching.
After Sunday’s season finale, a loss at Seattle, McVay declined to discuss his immediate future with the Rams. When asked directly whether he would be coaching the Rams in 2023, he said, “I’m not thinking about that right now. Nothing has changed from … where we left things off on Friday. I’m right here, right now, and we’ll deal with that stuff at a later time.”
McVay was then asked why he was unsure of a specific answer at this time.
“I’ll talk about stuff as it relates to the game,” McVay said. “Anything that relates to what is gonna happen with me, like I said, I’m not thinking about that right now.”
Quarterback Baker Mayfield, who started for the Rams after joining the team in Week 14, has gotten to know McVay more since their initial meeting on a plane ahead of his rookie season. While multiple players said postgame that they aren’t sure what will happen with McVay, Mayfield noted, “(McVay) is so truly invested in (putting) everything he has into this game. Everything he thinks about is about football. That’s why you see the toll that it takes on him.”
January 10, 2023 at 2:30 pm #142518znModeratorSeveral Rams players were asked about Sean McVay's looming decision during Monday's open locker room, and they all just want what's best for him.
Here's what they're saying about the matter https://t.co/SOxlFWSrJ3
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) January 10, 2023
January 11, 2023 at 1:10 pm #142533znModeratorI will admit I just watched his closing press conference. But this part most stuck out to me. This dude isn’t burned out and I wish we would stop saying that. He’s clearly got some personal stuff going on and needs to make sure he’s all in on football before committing again. pic.twitter.com/UDKmaEjrvf
— Wes (@Sleyson80) January 10, 2023
January 12, 2023 at 1:32 am #142534znModerator‘You won too fast too soon’: NFL coaches on Sean McVay, burnout, pressure of winning
Sam Farmer
https://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/story/2023-01-11/sean-mcvay-rams-coaching-burnout
The season is over for the Rams, but the hand-wringing is heading into overtime.
What will Sean McVay do? Will he continue to coach the team? Will he take a TV job? How about a leave of absence on a beach in St. Somewhere?
Whatever McVay decides — and that could come any day — there’s a community of former NFL coaches, some of them in the Hall of Fame, who are all too familiar with the pressures of the job. They understand the notion of burnout, even among those with incredibly high-paying and coveted positions.
“There’s only a few Bill Belichicks or Andy Reids out there,” said Dick Vermeil, citing two of the league’s longest-tenured coaches. “There’s only a few Don Shulas or Bud Grants around. I think coach McVay has proven he’s in that talent level. He’s a potential Hall of Fame coach. But if he doesn’t have that personality make-up, no fault of his own, then that may not happen.”
Vermeil gets it. He was Philadelphia’s head coach from 1976-82 and took the Eagles to the Super Bowl. But then he left for a TV job — doubling his $75,000 salary — and didn’t return to coaching until taking over the St. Louis Rams in 1997. There, he won a Super Bowl with Kurt Warner and the “Greatest Show on Turf,” before closing out his career as coach of the Kansas City Chiefs from 2001-05.
He said he retired from coaching the first time because the euphoria of winning had evaporated. He only was relieved when his team won, depressed when it lost.
“The loss hurt far more emotionally than the win affected you positively,” said Vermeil, 86, enshrined in Canton last summer. “I found myself thinking about what I should have done last week to win when I should have been thinking about what I had to do to win next week.”
The idea of NFL coaching burnout isn’t going to elicit a lot of sympathy from the public. These coaches aren’t saving lives, and they can make as much in one season as five teachers can earn in their entire careers. Nonetheless, coaching burnout does happen and the topic is particularly relevant to the Rams, who have enjoyed tremendous success with McVay at the helm.
Tony Dungy played for and later worked as an assistant under legendary Pittsburgh Steelers coach Chuck Noll, who oversaw that organization for 23 years. Instead of being an old-school, sleep-in-the-office coach, Noll was ahead of his time in supporting a work-life balance for people in the organization. Those coaches left work early once a week to play golf and frequently had family days at team headquarters.
“One of the first things coach Noll told us when I was a rookie player was, `Do not make football your whole life. If you do, you’re going to be disappointed when you leave the game,’ ” said Dungy, inducted in the Hall of Fame in 2016. “He told us that as players, and I watched him demonstrate that for the 10 years that I was there.
“I worked at some other places where it wasn’t necessarily like that and where guys thought, `I have to make sure everything goes perfectly.’ If you take that approach, it can get to you right away. Because there are a lot of things to manage and oversee. If you have to be cognizant of everything, and everything happens to come across your desk, it can wear you down and wear you out.”
Winning has always been the bottom line for NFL coaches. That’s nothing new. But with the popularity of the league, round-the-clock news coverage, fantasy football and everyone feeling like an expert, the spotlight on coaches has never been brighter.
“It’s almost unfair today to compare the longevity and stamina of [the coaches from 30 to 40 years ago] with what the job is today,” Vermeil said. “Because the evaluation process has gotten so intense, so magnified. It’s like comparing a 1980 Cadillac with a 2023 Cadillac. They all move forward but the technology and everything within it is totally different. … I think it’s tougher today on coaches.”
McVay, hired at 30 in 2017, was the youngest head coach in NFL history and remains the youngest of the 32 now employed. He got to the Super Bowl in his second season, and his team won it all in February, hoisting the Lombardi Trophy at SoFi Stadium, no less. He inherited a 4-12 team that ranked 32nd in scoring, and flipped that in his inaugural season when the Rams were No. 1 in that department.
“I only sat down and visited with coach McVay one time,” Vermeil said. “The only thing I can remember saying to him was, `You won too fast too soon.’ Every team I took over had been losing, especially the Eagles and Rams. Anything you did — make a first down and they applauded you.
“But when you start out as fast as coach McVay has, it makes every year tougher. Even after you win it all last year. Geez. What do you do to prove that you still have the ability to do it? It’s tough.”
This season’s Rams took a dramatic plunge from last season’s dizzying heights, finishing 5-12.
“It isn’t the workload,” said Rick Neuheisel, a former college head coach and offensive coordinator of the Baltimore Ravens. “You get up in the morning, you come into work but you’re never looking at the clock. Ever. You’re just doing what you love to do.
“The problem is the pressure of winning, and the weight that it puts on you when you’re unsuccessful. For Sean McVay to go through the year he went through, after the euphoria of the year before, is a feeling like burnout. He’s never gone down a road where it’s been this exasperating.”
Even before and in the immediate aftermath of the Super Bowl win, there was rampant speculation McVay might leave for a TV job. This season there was a revolving door of Rams offensive linemen, almost never the same group from week to week, and an injury list that included the club’s biggest stars: quarterback Matthew Stafford, receiver Cooper Kupp and defensive tackle Aaron Donald.
“You know all that next-man-up stuff? That’s just coach-speak,” said Steve Mariucci, former coach of San Francisco and Detroit, speaking generally about losing star players. “That’s like false bravado sometimes. The next man up isn’t as good as the guy he follows, OK? That’s the reality of it. When you’ve got a lot of next-men-up, you’re going to get your butt kicked. Let’s face it. Let’s talk real here.”
And no matter how compelling a coach might be in talking to his players, at some point those messages lose their edge.
Said Mariucci: “When I got hired by the Niners, [team president] Carmen Policy says, `Coach, you’re not going to be here forever. Bill [Walsh] wasn’t here forever. George [Seifert] wasn’t here forever. There’s going to be a shelf life for every coach. That’s how it works in this league. Enjoy it while you can. It’s going to be the ride of your life.’
“He was very forthright in knowing full well that in his mind the message gets a little boring or stale and it needs to come from somebody new every now and then. Bill lasted 10 years, George lasted eight and I was six. Not everybody is Bill Belichick or Mike Tomlin or Pete Carroll. That’s the exception to the rule.”
McVay isn’t tipping his hand. He wants time to mull his future, and the Rams want to give him that. There are strong indications they are willing to give him a leave of absence, a sabbatical to reboot, but they want him back when he’s ready to return. They don’t want to coach against him.
And there’s no denying the appeal of TV for him. He only needs to look at former New Orleans coach Sean Payton, who worked as a studio analyst for Fox this season and whose coaching stock has exploded. He’s the most coveted coaching candidate out there.
Said McVay of the network interest: “It’s flattering. These are always going to be things that you anticipate and expect that are going to come up, because I haven’t run away from the fact that down the line, or whenever that is, that’s something I’ve been interested in.”
Dungy took a job as an NBC studio analyst after retiring from coaching at 53. He wasn’t conflicted about leaving coaching; he was ready to go. He loves working in TV, but the job doesn’t tick the same boxes that coaching did.
“It’s not the same thing,” he said. “You are involved in the game. You do get to see your buddies. You do get to talk. You get to think about strategy and all those kinds of things. But it’s not the same thrill as bringing an organization together, getting everybody going in the same direction, chasing that one goal and knowing at the end of the year that there’s only one of us that’s going to achieve it and 31 that are going to come up a little bit short but try again next year.
“The satisfaction you get out of molding a team and taking them to the playoffs, winning playoff games. TV is great, it’s fun, but it’s not that.”
Ultimately, for Vermeil, the allure of coaching proved too strong. He had to come back.
“You miss being the king,” he said. “You miss being the boss. You miss making the decisions. The only thing you don’t miss is the pressure.”
January 12, 2023 at 1:47 am #142535znModerator…
Rams Ex Andrew Whitworth on Sean McVay Rumors: ‘I’d Be Shocked’
Former Los Angeles Rams offensive tackle Andrew Whitworth helped shed some light on Sean McVay’s retirement rumors.https://www.si.com/nfl/rams/news/los-angeles-rams-sean-mcvay-retirement-rumors-andrew-whitworth
Los Angeles Rams coach Sean McVay has confirmed that he’s not done coaching.
However, his status for next season remains unconfirmed and “in limbo” as of now, as rumors of a potential transition to the broadcast booth have been swirling since the Rams won the Super Bowl last year.
Former Rams offensive tackle Andrew Whitworth developed a strong relationship with McVay before retiring himself after winning a ring to take his talents to TV.
He made an appearance Tuesday on “The Rich Eisen Show” and discussed in detail his experiences with McVay. Whitworth admitted he’d be “shocked” regarding McVay’s retirement rumors, but not in a way that should scare Rams fans.
“I’d be shocked to see him not leading a group of men, playing this game that he loves so much,” Whitworth said. “It’s just hard for me to imagine him not leading rooms.”
The Rams were the near definition of first-to-worst this season. With a 5-12 record, LA secured the most losses by a defending champion in league history.
Amid numerous injuries to star players and the offensive line, it clearly was a year of adversity for McVay and company.
“It was a tough year for that entire organization,” Whitworth said. “It was tough on him, it was tough and everyone in that building.”
But should he decide to take his career to the broadcast booth, Whitworth, like many others, feels McVay would kill it due to the leadership traits he’s displayed since arriving to LA.
“He will absolutely be exceptional at that, he will be unbelievable,” Whitworth said. ” … One of the most impressive things about him when he took the job is his ability to capture a room and lead a group of people, I thought was just so rare.”
The Rams now have an offseason of uncertainty ahead of them, with McVay at the center of it all.
January 12, 2023 at 1:59 am #142536znModeratorJanuary 12, 2023 at 4:00 pm #142546wvParticipantNfl-celeb-media-heads never emphasize this:
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“You know all that next-man-up stuff? That’s just coach-speak,” said Steve Mariucci, former coach of San Francisco and Detroit, speaking generally about losing star players. “That’s like false bravado sometimes. The next man up isn’t as good as the guy he follows, OK? That’s the reality of it. When you’ve got a lot of next-men-up, you’re going to get your butt kicked. Let’s face it. Let’s talk real here.”
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I have often wondered why? Why do they consciously avoid talking about injuries and their impact? I mean it is sooo obvious its a media policy.
Maybe the NFL-suits just dont like the idea of talking about negatives like injuries.
Whatever it is, its a media-policy. Do not talk about injuries, do not blame losses on injuries. Maybe its a capitalism thing. “Dont play the victim” I dunno.
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January 12, 2023 at 4:17 pm #142547znModeratorI have often wondered why? Why do they consciously avoid talking about injuries and their impact? I mean it is sooo obvious its a media policy.
Well I think it’s more divided than that. I’ve seen people talk about it, including broadcasters during games. But then some people for some reason have no clue how to factor it in. That’s especially true of OL injuries. I’ve poked at some media stars on twitter who commented on the Rams without accounting for the OL injuries. It’s always mystifying to me. I don’t get that kind of reasoning or the lack of it.
January 12, 2023 at 5:12 pm #142553Billy_TParticipantNfl-celeb-media-heads never emphasize this: == “You know all that next-man-up stuff? That’s just coach-speak,” said Steve Mariucci, former coach of San Francisco and Detroit, speaking generally about losing star players. “That’s like false bravado sometimes. The next man up isn’t as good as the guy he follows, OK? That’s the reality of it. When you’ve got a lot of next-men-up, you’re going to get your butt kicked. Let’s face it. Let’s talk real here.” == I have often wondered why? Why do they consciously avoid talking about injuries and their impact? I mean it is sooo obvious its a media policy. Maybe the NFL-suits just dont like the idea of talking about negatives like injuries. Whatever it is, its a media-policy. Do not talk about injuries, do not blame losses on injuries. Maybe its a capitalism thing. “Dont play the victim” I dunno. w v
Makes a lot of sense. The NFL has actually been rather “lucky” over the years, to not be regulated for work-place safety issues, and/or slapped with myriad billion-dollar lawsuits for all of those injuries. Especially the kind that never heal: brain trauma. It helps that fans and players have been heavily indoctrinated (for generations) into thinking that it’s a sign of weakness (or worse) to complain, much less call for serious changes. That makes it a thousand times easier for those suits you talk about to avoid the repercussions and ignore the moral and ethical implications. They’re riding a very long wave, created by tons of money/lobbying and endlessly successful cultural gaslighting.
As for the “Next man up” stuff. While injuries are the main trigger, of course, it can also be a matter of a team’s overall ethos and sense of itself, from the top down, and that attitude isn’t necessarily a good thing. To state the obvious, starters tend to be better than second-stringers, who tend to be better than third-stringers, who tend to be better than guys who’ve been retired since 1960, etc. The whole theory of “next man up,” if it goes beyond “We have no choice but to make the best of it,” and evolves into “We don’t need no freaking starters/draft picks/top drawer free agents! We can win with Joe and Jimmy from the local docks!!” . . . . well, I think you eventually hit a brick wall.
Again, to state the obvious, the first 30 picks in a draft tend to have more talent than the next 30, and the next 30, etc. etc. Exceptions all over the place, blah blah blah. But, at the very least, you have a much better shot to pick the players you really want with those early picks — the more the better. Having a first chance after 100 or more picks, for example, likely means your true board has been decimated.
/rant
January 13, 2023 at 11:40 am #142557Billy_TParticipantFollow-up, and a bit of a correction.
Listening (half way through) to Jourdan Rodrigue on another podcast, Bill Barnwell’s, I learned something kinda new, at least for me. This ties into the general BS that NFL teams feed us, but of a far less impactful variety than the injury front, etc. Though it’s tangentially related.
Jourdan said that the Rams FO didn’t think (before the season) that they had any shot to repeat, though they thought they could compete for playoff spots. She basically said no one in the building thought they could win it all again. Tied to this is McVay’s acknowledgement that they weren’t “ready” for the season in several phases of the game, especially via staffing. That he’s “running out of people” to implement his core ideas — and those he’s incorporated like Calahan and Fangio. This was prior to all of those injuries.
Jourdan is good here, and in her own podcast, of breaking down stuff about the way the Rams’ own model changed the entire league, even the draft and trade markets, but created a double-edged sword for them too. The league caught up, surpassed them in some areas, learned to deal with their D and their O, etc. And while she doesn’t exactly echo my thoughts about the negative aspects of trading all of those picks, she does at least suggest the lack of draft capital adds to the “falling behind.”
The show in question:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/comparing-different-hells/id1105991757?i=1000594120803
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